Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
There's almost no reason _not_ to downgrade to 7.5.1 if you like. The only difference between 7.5.2 and 7.5.1 is the newer firmware. The server is virtually the same. But I thought you already figured out an easy workaround. If your network can handle it, have all Flac files transcoded to PCM at the server. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
So, I used Foobar2000 to create the flac files with the standard flac executable from Sourceforge and I'm not getting any pops or clicks with the Keith Jarrett track that has been my test track. For a complete test, I used Foobar2000 to create a compression level 8 version of the track. The Transporter did have trouble with this file (clicks and pops returned). Apparently, I'm riding a fine line with this track and the CPU resources of the Transporter. I'm still disappointed, as firmware version 80 worked just fine. I guess I'll just redo all of my high-res tracks with Foobar2000 and hope that gives me the headroom the Transporter needs. What happens when an even more CPU intensive track comes along? -- Celeritas Transporter -> Classe' CP-47.5 -> Classe' CA-201 -> Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I was able to reduce (but not eliminate) the popping and crackling by disabling the Music Information Screen and turning scrolling off. It looks like every time the player "thinks", I get a pop with the Keith Jarrett tracks. Something interesting is that if I take the wav file and use sox to create a flac with the same syntax that is in convert.conf (sox -q -t wav $INFILE$ -t flac -c 0 -r 96000 $OUTFILE$), I get a file that is ever so slightly larger at compression level 0 than the standard flac executable. This file does not crackle. If I use the standard flac executable that is part of dbPoweramp at compression level 0, it crackles. I don't know what sox is doing differently to create the file, or why the compression is slightly lower. If I disable flac transcoding and use native PCM in file types on the server, the wav file plays just fine. The combination of FLAC decoding and the new CPU load in the firmware updates is just a bit more than the unit can handle. I have never opened a bug, but I do have a ticket open with the help desk. I will refer them to this post so that they can see what others have written. I never tried firmware 84, as the nightlies were at 85 by the time I started experimenting. -- Celeritas Transporter -> Classe' CP-47.5 -> Classe' CA-201 -> Martin Logan SL3 Celeritas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Had the same issue with popping/clicking sounds on the transporter on firmware 85. No problems at all with 84 before that, and the issue went away when I reverted to 84 from 85. Did not make a difference Ethernet or Wifi - as it shouldn't given that CPU limitations are the cause. Thanks again all! Yeang -- ychng ychng's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40871 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Problem with 24Bit/96Khz
Seems to me this could be a more extreme case of http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84109 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Since Logitech took over Slimdevices i wondered how long it takes that no one takes care about it anymore. Logitech should produce mice, that´s what i belief they are good at. If anyone told me to buy a 1599 product of Logitech back then i´d asked him what the hell he is smoking. Hard words in such a peasefull time, sorry. Enjoy your holidays :) -- Wombat Transporter -> RG142 -> Avantgarde based monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
I noticed the same issue a few nights back playing Diana Krall - Quiet Nights 24/96, and was baffled as it'd never occurred prior. Please advise whether the bug's been filed so I can vote for it. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
cliveb;597010 Wrote: > Why on Earth did they do that? Stealing CPU cycles from a non-upgradable > player in order to perform a task that could be done by the server > (which can be upgraded to cope with the task if necessary) just seems > daft. > > Didn't Logitech understand the concept behind a "Slim Device" when they > bought the company? Yes! Smooth scrolling is very important for audiophiles :) I need a telescope to see anything on my Transporter, not to say Touch On the topic of firmware, I am running 3-month old beta with #84 and do not have anything close to popping noises. Maybe I am lucky -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
JJZolx;597013 Wrote: > > cliveb;597010 Wrote: > > Why on Earth did they do that?> > > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=588751#post588751 Ah, right - to reduce load on MySB. Now I understand. (I don't use MySB, so this never occured to me). -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
callesoroe;597083 Wrote: > Thank you for the information. I was about to upgrade but I definately > will not do it now. I will wait for this bug to be fixed. Speaking of has anyone filed an actual bug yet in bugzilla ? Otherwise it will never be fixed . Easiest fix must be to reverse this change for transporter but keep it for SB3/2 Boom . The amount of logged on transporter users must be ridiculously low compared to other players can't make a dent in the mysqueezebox.com system ? That means keeping the scrolling code in SBS/mysb.com but only use it for transporters. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Celeritas;596731 Wrote: > After upgrading to 7.5.2 today I started noticing "static pops" in > high-res tracks (FLAC compression level "0" files that played fine > yesterday) and while the player changed tracks. I used to hear a > similar "pop" when the DAC would go from 44.1/16 to 96/24, but this was > now while music was playing. I began to wonder if it was the new > firmware version 81. I updated my "transporter.version" file and > installed firmware version 85. Same problem. > > I downgraded the firmware to 80 (still using 7.5.2 server) and the pops > went away. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm sure I won't be able > to use firmware 80 forever. > > Things I tried before downgrading: > Reinstall firmware (hold brightness) > Reprogrammed xilink (hold "1" while plugging in) > Factory reset (hold "+" while plugging in) > > Only downgrading the firmware helped. Thank you for the information. I was about to upgrade but I definately will not do it now. I will wait for this bug to be fixed. -- callesoroe Callesoroe SB-duet, Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi all, Is Inguz eq still working with server 7.5.2? Tried to install the files on either a Windows and MAC system. In both systems i can't change the FLAC filetype to Inguzdsp. It's is not there, greyed out. Help appreciated! -- hybride hybride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33872 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
RadioClash;596969 Wrote: > What is keeping me away from the Bridge is the "primitive" server > software for it right now. The Squeezebox Server cannot be equaled at > the moment, and I fear that it will be quite a long time before PS > Audio develops anything close to it. Second that. Took me several days to make the Bridge emit a sound... If you use Mac or Win devices you are probably safe, but with UNIX it's tricky. I asked them to implement a simple HTTP based network player built into the Bridge software. The answer was - in the future. OTOH, the situation is pretty much the same as with the Linn devices. Same upnp $%^&... -- alekz Equipment: Transporter/PS Audio PerfectWave DAC + Bridge - Pass Labs x1 - Pass Labs x250 - Martin Logan Summit (+ PS Audio PowerPlant Premier, MIT Oracle cables, Finite Elemente Master Reference rack, Finite Elemente Cerafeet, Acustica Aplicata DAAD traps). alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
mlsstl;596962 Wrote: > Just curious, what makes you say that? I've followed the reviews and > comments regarding the Touch from a number of sources since its > introduction. The comments have been consistently glowing. Even those > who think the internal DAC can bettered by an external unit still state > the transport end of things is excellent. > > I've had a unit since last April and find it very good, external DAC or > not. > > How is the unit "not very good" in your estimation? A short answer: because there are better transports and better DAC's. E.g. the Transporter. I would rephrase the question to avoid another discussion about the quality of transports: Will all transports sound the same with the PS Audio Lens? Considering the transports are not extremely buggy and noisy so that the digital stream contains errors. -- alekz Equipment: Transporter/PS Audio PerfectWave DAC + Bridge - Pass Labs x1 - Pass Labs x250 - Martin Logan Summit (+ PS Audio PowerPlant Premier, MIT Oracle cables, Finite Elemente Master Reference rack, Finite Elemente Cerafeet, Acustica Aplicata DAAD traps). alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
firedog;597019 Wrote: > Ah, I didn't understand you the first time. But for me, the Lens is > basically a guality digital streamer. So if I bought one I'd just > have: > Not quite. The lens is a reclocking buffer, the Bridge is a Linux box what receives the stream from the net, saves it to its internal memory and forwards to the DAC. Basically the Bridge has a "built-in Lens." If you do not have or do not wish to use any other transports than a network streamer, you do no need a reclocking buffer, aka Lens. -- alekz Equipment: Transporter/PS Audio PerfectWave DAC + Bridge - Pass Labs x1 - Pass Labs x250 - Martin Logan Summit (+ PS Audio PowerPlant Premier, MIT Oracle cables, Finite Elemente Master Reference rack, Finite Elemente Cerafeet, Acustica Aplicata DAAD traps). alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
alekz;596917 Wrote: > Sorry, I should've been more clear: > > 1. Network -> Touch -> Lens -> PWD > 2. Network -> Bridge+PWD > > The 2nd system *should* sound better. The Touch is not a very good > transport (but probably with the Lens it will not matter anymore), plus > you need two more digital cables. Also, even without additional > power/digital cables and equipment feet/spikes the 1st system costs > more (the Bridge costs around $900, the Lens - $2400). > > I see only one advantage - separate (or rather additional) power > supplies for the DAC and for the "computer" part (system 1). Need to > check the PS Audio website, I think PWD already has two separate power > supplies. Ah, I didn't understand you the first time. But for me, the Lens is basically a guality digital streamer. So if I bought one I'd just have: Server>Lens(includes bridge)>DAC and drop the Touch. Use iPad or iPhone for interface. This seems to me a good solution for those who already own a good DAC & server. PS Audio indicated the price of Lens expected to be about $2000. Sort of a lot for a streamer. There's a similar product, the Auraliti (auraliti.com), that sells for $800. Reputed to have excellent sound. (And yes, I know it is more limited in terms of connections, netowrking, etc., but it is the same basic idea - a high quality streamer, digital out, no moving computer parts inside.) -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Also when scrollling or moving through the menu while playing 96kHz/24b FLACs I heard crackling sounds with new firmware 51... -- Meridion Songs: 16'169 - Albums: 1'337 - Artists: 916 Meridion's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
cliveb;597010 Wrote: > Why on Earth did they do that? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=588751#post588751 -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
JJZolx;596994 Wrote: > The big change to firmware 81 was moving the scrolling of text to the > player, so it could account for greater CPU usage. Why on Earth did they do that? Stealing CPU cycles from a non-upgradable player in order to perform a task that could be done by the server (which can be upgraded to cope with the task if necessary) just seems daft. Didn't Logitech understand the concept behind a "Slim Device" when they bought the company? -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does audiophile equal quiet?
Henry66;596880 Wrote: > Interesting. Would it not have made more sense, when increasing the > number of bits, to stick to a dynamic range of 96dB and increase the > resolution of each bit? That would be about 4dB of dynamic range for 24 > bits, 3dB for 32 bits, etc. > > Why did they choose the current scheme? Backwards compatibility? Linear PCM doesn't work like that. Each bit represents a doubling of output voltage, which gives 6.02dB more level. Resolution and dynamic range are basically the same thing. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi Installed it as per the web instructions. Questions/Problems: 1. It doesn't appear in menu interface anywhere (tried with Touch and with Squeezeplay); 2. In the SBS Web interface (using 7.52) the EQ link appears, but when I open it the "EQ -> Settings -> Test Signals -> Left/Right Identifier" item mentioned in the measurement instructions isn't there. Other items mentioned in the instructions also seem to be missing form the pages Note: I'm using windows XP and have Net Framework 2 installed. -- firedog Tranquil PC fanless WHS server running SqueezeServer; SB Touch slaved to Empirical Audio Pace Car; MF V DAC3, MF X-150 amp, Devore Gibbon Super 8 Speakers; Dual 506 + Ortofon 20 (occasional use); sometimes use PC with M-Audio 192 as digital source. SB Boom in second room. Arcam CD82 which I don't use anymore, even though it's a very good player. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
The big change to firmware 81 was moving the scrolling of text to the player, so it could account for greater CPU usage. Apparently the Transporter is borderline when playing 96kHz Flac, so any small change could push it over the top. I'm not sure whether the scrolling changes should affect it if you're using the Music Information Screensaver, but maybe the plugin doesn't play nice with the new approach to scrolling. Try disabling the plugin first. If that doesn't help you might then go to the Transporter's display settings (using the web interface) and change the scrolling rate. Increase the scroll pixels to 7 and decrease the scroll rate (by increasing the value) to 0.15. I think those were the old defaults. In any case, adjust the scroll rate until the speed looks correct. -- JJZolx JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Popping noises with Transporter firmware 81 and 85
Celeritas;596981 Wrote: > This is only present on 96k 14bit tracks. The one I see it most is when > playing track 2 of Keith Jarrett's "Koln Concert" from HDTrack.com. I > recompressed the files at compression level "0" with dbPoweramp after > purchasing them. > > Something odd: > When I uncompress the file and play it on the Transporter as a wav, it > plays fine. The thing is, I have have not customized the file type > playback on the server, so all wav files will automatically be > transcoded to FLAC with sox at compression level 0. I even see sox > running on the server while I play the file. It should create the same > problem, but it doesn't. I do wonder if there is any resampling going > on there. > > I also tried disabling FLAC playback to force all FLAC files to be sent > to the Transporter as PCM. I am sure there is no resampling there, yet > the songs play fine. > > I am using the Music Information Screensaver as well as the VU Meter. > I might try turning those off. I'll report back... There's no resampling going on in either of your scenarios for 24/96 (and lower) tracks. I would try turning off the VU first... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84133 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
