Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
tcutting;622392 Wrote: > I don't think the Xilinx devices used in the Squeezeboxes are FPGAs, but > rather CPLDs which have "flash" configuration therefore making them > non-volatile, yet still re-programmable (also much simpler than FPGAs). You may very well be correct - however I have never known such a device to require reprogramming as part of a complete firmware reset as I get the impression is being suggested to resolve the OPs post. While a relative newcomer to the forum (long time lurker) I see this "xilinx reset" suggestion made quite often to cure a variety of ills but there doesn't appear to be any consensus on what the device actually does and so what a reset would potentially cure. I would be very interested to know. Perhaps there are different devices doing different functions in different SqueezeBox products - highly possible given the flexibility of the devices. -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
I'm certain this is an unpopular opinion, but I think the OP is being sent off on a witch hunt. Syncing of players is easily undone, and selecting/deselecting digital inputs is no more difficult than pushing a button. Done it a lot on my Transporter and nothing needed 3 pages of commentary to fix. This reminds me of a reviewer back in the 1980's talking about "Brinneled bearings" in tone-arms. Within days of that magazine being released, we had customers coming to us in droves with tone-arm bearing problems. "It doesn't sound right...the soundstage is closed in", etc, et al. Well...we sold lots of tone-arms, and manufacturers service shops probably did pretty well also. All for a non-problem that everyone suddenly started hearing. I'd sayreset the OPs Transporter and that's that. Since it's a modded unitwho knows for sure. I seriously doubt there is anything but an imagined problem with the sound at this point. -- Curt962 Transporter...TouchBoom.. Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] squeezebox setup for audiophiles
dhinesh;621992 Wrote: > 2) Transporter: Will not use the DAC on the transporter as the Audio > Research Dac 8 is far superior. *It has two oscillators: one for > multiples of 44.1 KHZ and one for multiples of 48 KHZ so we avoid > fractional sampling and the music is played at the native frequency.* Most (if not all) Squeezebox devices also have two oscillators. The Dac 8 may sound better than the Transporter, but not because of this. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86419 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question
Wow. That's an interesting discussion. It would simply be a lot of hypothesis had they not in the first 5-6 minutes of the video given a couple of demonstrations on how the ear/brain/eye can be made to "hear" things that were never there in the first place. The Led Zeppelin "backwards" jibberish...suddenly all made perfect sense when they displayed a textual aid to tell you what you were supposed to be hearing. And the missing consonant demo.I heard an "S"that was clearly not present at all.The "error correction" capacity of the brain is remarkable. Kinda sad actually, because as a "Musicphile" (one who wants his music to sound good too)...I want there to be HUGE differences, and this video shoots LOTS of big holes in things. An indictment of sorts. The ear can be mislead into hearing all sorts of things. Apparently, we can hear things that weren't there to begin with. Seems entirely plausible that a brochure, or a magazine review could easily have the same effect of "telling us" what we're hearing. It should give pause to one planning on spending a few thousand dollars on a set of speaker cables. The video is definitely worth the time it takes to watch. -- Curt962 Transporter...TouchBoom.. Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
snottmonster;622384 Wrote: > that's not correct - a Xilinx FPGA is an SRAM device which by it's very > nature requires programming on application of power I don't think the Xilinx devices used in the Squeezeboxes are FPGAs, but rather CPLDs which have "flash" configuration therefore making them non-volatile, yet still re-programmable (also much simpler than FPGAs). -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
Phil Leigh;622378 Wrote: > The Xilinx FPGA doesn't "lose its program" when power is removed. that's not correct - a Xilinx FPGA is an SRAM device which by it's very nature requires programming on application of power -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
snottmonster;622376 Wrote: > So the term "Xilinx reset" doesn't refer to resetting a Xilinx device? I've explained. The "reset" is only necessary if the stored program within the (Xilinx) FPGA needs to be reloaded from external memory. The Xilinx FPGA doesn't "lose its program" when power is removed. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
Phil Leigh;622371 Wrote: > No. So the term "Xilinx reset" doesn't refer to resetting a Xilinx device? -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
The xilinx reset reloads its (stored) program from flash memory. This is only necessary in the rare circumstance that the stored program becomes corrupted and it certainly doesn't need to happen each time you power it up. It would simply delay each bootup for no reason (9,999 times out of 10,000). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
No, not at all. They are three different things. Power off puts the system in standby. Factory reset restores all user-controlled settings to the factory defaults. Xilinx reset re-initializes the processor. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
snottmonster;622368 Wrote: > Wouldn't a Xilinx device be reprogrammed at each power on/system reset > anyway? Nature of the beast... No. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
Wouldn't a Xilinx device be reprogrammed at each power on/system reset anyway? Nature of the beast... -- snottmonster snottmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45063 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dali Speakers
tank121;622349 Wrote: > Any preference out of the two ? sorry I was looking at the wrong ones... How good is your top end hearing (ie over 14k?) - if it's as good as a 16-year old, go with the Ikon and get the benefit of its ribbon tweeter. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86689 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dali Speakers
Any preference out of the two ? -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86689 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dali Speakers
tank121;621989 Wrote: > Were soon to commence work on our garage conversion (see my other posts) > the resulting living room will be 15ft x 8ft (separate storage area 8x5) > I now conncluded my Dynaudio floorstanders are to be sold. > > I'm looking into wall mounting speakers from Dali and they will be > mounted on the dividing stud wall. > > So has anyone had any experience of the Dali Ikon On Wall Mk2 speakers > ? > > http://www.dali.dk/display_content.phtml/322/2562 > > Any thoughts on the specs ? > > or the Dali Mentor Menuet > > http://www.dali.dk/display_content.php/INT/Loudspeakers.html/172/2371 > > > Thanks No idea what they sound like but the Ikon's seem quite easy to mount... no need for soffits... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86689 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dali Speakers
Anyone got any view opinions on those models mentioned ? Any other suggestions ? -- tank121 tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86689 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks
ralphpnj;622281 Wrote: > And again I remind you that I'm not talking about how to describe a live > musical event or even recorded music but how to describe an audio system > ability to play music. It is common, and quite understandable, for listeners to blur the line between the creation of music and its reproduction on a playback system. By selecting this component over that one and tinkering with or adjusting the setup in certain ways, the listener feels they have moved a bit closer to the creation side of the process, that they've made a contribution to art. Hence, it is also not surprising when some get carried away with particularly effusive descriptions. Besides sometimes sounding like a cheap romance novel, the problem is these descriptions are often so fuzzy that they don't do a very good job of communicating to others what the writer meant. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86399 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks
mervin_b;620409 Wrote: > You can write the way you want to, but you don't need to tell me how to > write. > > I'm an engineer, and to claim "lower noise floor and less background > electronic noise such as hiss", I'd need to have (1) heard or measured > lower noise, (2) heard less hiss. Unfortunately I have not heard or > measured any such thing. > > In any case, I describe the musical experience, not the physical > phenomenon of vibrations hitting my auditory organs. I'm quite active > in music (performance and education), and if I threw "lower noise floor > and increased signal to noise ratio" at my musician friends, they would > tell me to stop speaking mumbo-jumbo ;). To most of them your > description won't tell them anything about how it sounds. > > It would be -so- sad if the day came that the beauty of music and joys > of listening had to be described in such sterile vocabulary. > > There's always room for objectivity and measurements, and it seems to > be that what I describe as blacker blacks, and you insist is lower > noise floor are two sides of the coin. The fact that I observe a > correlation with my use of quieter rectifier diodes may point to the > fact that we are probably in agreement as to what is happening > electrically too. However I consider it somewhat speculative to claim > conclusively that the diodes are directly leading to the blacker > blacks, or lowering the noise floor. Perhaps they are, but then again > they might not be. I just describe what I observe, and what I hear. > > Cheers. You make some very valid points but you seem to forgotten one very important fact: we are not talking about terms used to describe music rather we are talking about terms to describe how a electro-mechanical audio system is able to reproduce a recorded piece of music. The point I was trying to make is that the high end audio press would rather cloud things up with "mumbo-jumbo" instead of working towards correlating audible results with scientific terms. For example more air around a given instrument might be the result of cleaner playback due to less speaker cabinet resonances. And again I remind you that I'm not talking about how to describe a live musical event or even recorded music but how to describe an audio system ability to play music. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86399 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blacker blacks
ralphpnj;619650 Wrote: > The term a "wide soundstage" can be replaced with "very good channel > separation and accurate frequency response". > One is a description of a subjective phenomenon, the other is an assumed explanation for it and not a replacement for the purely descriptive term at all. In fact it's not clear at all to me that better channel separation and frequency response will result in subjectively wider soundstage, as anyone can demonstrate to themselves with decent analog equipment. Now the one invented audiophile buzzphrase that really does bug me is "PRaT" (Pace, Rhythm and Timing). -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86399 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
Thanks for that...interesting and entertaining! Just got my unit yesterday..early listening was quite nice but, as some have suggested (and my local dealer did, too), I've been running it all night and will continue to do so until I give it a real critical listen--maybe tomorrow. I promise I'm not making this up, but my wife, who pays abolutely no attention to the gear end of things...just enjoys listening...popped out of her office when I fired the Rega up and instantly said..."gosh, it sounds so analog". I gave her quite an odd look as, of course, she had no idea that this was one of the predominant comments that have accompanied user's reviews of the Rega DAC. HumanMedia;622162 Wrote: > You may be interested in this discussion > http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/30510-Rega-DAC-Logical-step-up-from-Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Touch (wired) via spdif coax > CA DacMagic > Marantz PM8003 > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.3 r31815 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.3 r9283. Duet: FW 67. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter lost something when I hooked up Duet on same network
scp2;622142 Wrote: > What is Xilinx reset anyway? Reprogramming the processor. -- sebp 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86682 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tweaking - Bypass internal SB DAC and SPidf Question
If you apply my Toolbox to the Touch, you can turn the analog output off from the SW side. At least the bits are no longer routed in parallel to all outputs in that case. Cheers -- soundcheck 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) || 'soundcheck's Touch Toolbox - Beta Blog' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-tt-beta-blog.html) soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86630 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?
rgro;621809 Wrote: > Will give it a good audition/listen when it arrives. It'll be really > interesting to compare it to the DacMagic---upsampling vs. non is just > one of a number of differences I'm interested in evaluating. You may be interested in this discussion http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/showthread.php/30510-Rega-DAC-Logical-step-up-from-Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic -- HumanMedia HumanMedia's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44865 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84783 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
