Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
Harry G;655512 Wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that MusicIP won't analyze a high percentage of > their tracks? Any workaround?Yep...delete them! Seriously though, for those > I've kept, genpuid has had no issues doing the analysis. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
ralphpnj;655501 Wrote: > That's why I will not buy anything from HDtracks until each and every > one of their high resolution releases is truly hi-rez and is not > dynamically compressed. Or as you put it, is no longer crap.No way I'd > support them going forward, not unless they were prepared to attest to every release truly being from the master recording and are prepared to post the waveform and DR info so I can decide for myself whether the release is something worth paying for. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
Wombat;655518 Wrote: > I didn´t want to say 16/44.1 is enough because i feared the discussion > will become to emotional ;) > These days i listened my old EMI recording of Carmina Burana and wished > it had less dynamics! When listening loud i have problems getting the > more silent parts while the loud parts nearly destroy my system. And > this recording was done before modern compressors were used :) Oh yea, all these discussions turns very academic no one considers actual recordings and thier built in limits , like HDcrap that sell old analog masters that are well inside the scope of 16/44.1 or 16/48 and can be fully represented by that, they may very well be in a dire need for good remaster, but thats not how they are sold . A case could be made that you for some reasons needs more than 16/44.1 /48 . But there is no for example 20/55 format in use next "standard" formats seems to be 24/88.2 /96 ok so we use that. It also have healty slush margins for human errors, you may argue that no profesional sound enginer would do any gross error. But i feel that era of the profesional sound engineer is gone ( for other reasons another topic ). And historically how many recordings don't have some kind of mistake in them. it migth be if you do everything "perfect" 16/44.1 would do it, but not many things are excetud perfectly. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
Mnyb;655516 Wrote: > > I would be really happy if recordings used the sq potential in good old > 16/44.1 which they don't in most cases. I didn´t want to say 16/44.1 is enough because i feared the discussion will become to emotional ;) These days i listened my old EMI recording of Carmina Burana and wished it had less dynamics! When listening loud i have problems getting the more silent parts while the loud parts nearly destroy my system. And this recording was done before modern compressors were used :) -- Wombat Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
yes evil digital :) I'ts adorable when everyone is talking about impulse response and transients. Well yes maybe ? then bring out the microphones with a freq response 0 - 192khz . Bandwith limitations gives the same effects be it digital or analog . i do get that a high sample rate AD and helps you avoid filter problems etc. And keep that fs in the production yep why not. but if the microphones et al during recording is dead above lets say 30kHz to be generous a consumer format with fs >60kHz will tell the whole story more samples would simply be reduntant and not carry any further information of the recorded event. DAC's that works at high fs , well thats not bad a high fs helps them to perform better depending on desig many have internally 128 times oversampling etc . good old oversampling is they key here, no need to have it done at the record company and caried on your file or disc ? 24/88.2 and 24/96 is all that we ever need for a consumer format more than 2ch would be nice too imho, Then disc space is better spent as more channels than redundant samples, now where talking more music information again. I would be really happy if recordings used the sq potential in good old 16/44.1 which they don't in most cases. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
I don't have that many but at least some from the company's own label "Chesky" are quite good. Then again, their CDs sound pretty transparent too. Has anyone measured or compared with the CD? Has anyone else noticed that MusicIP won't analyze a high percentage of their tracks? Any workaround? -- Harry G Harry G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
Essentially, beyond a certain point, at the end of the day, it's all down to your auditory acuity, and possibly some cognitive dissonance effects. -- castalla -- 1 Touch - cheap unbranded optical cable - old Sony Microsystem - Aqustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
audiomuze;655413 Wrote: > ^^^ there is, it's called marketing... Sadly yes. "Marketing 101 for Idiots". It is for those too stupid to understand the technicalities, so they want something simple. That is, bigger number = better = more desirable. I will reserve judgement though - have not heard any 32/384 recordings. -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
audiomuze;655482 Wrote: > I've seen enough of their so called high res masters to know a good > proportion is crap and the original CD is better. Layla would be a good > example of the crap I'm referring to. Once again I agree. Layla is being sold by HDTracks as the definitive audiophile version but the master that was used to create the high resolution has the same overly compressed dynamic range as the crappy 2011 CD remaster. I've had this same conversation over on the Stereophile forum and since HDTracks is a Stereophile advertiser all the writers and editors simply gave HDTracks a pass and said something along the lines of "Oh they're aware of the problems and it's now their fault and yada, yada, yada." That's why I will not buy anything from HDtracks until each and every one of their high resolution releases is truly hi-rez and is not dynamically compressed. Or as you put it, is no longer crap. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
I've seen enough of their so called high res masters to know a good proportion is crap and the original CD is better. Layla would be a good example of the crap I'm referring to. -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
audiomuze;655447 Wrote: > ^^^ in other words...crap! ;) Perhaps a big ripoff would be more and accurate and truthful. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
^^^ in other words...crap! ;) -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
audiomuze;655422 Wrote: > If you're getting stuff from HDTracks the process is a lot simpler - > just file under crap! Not quite crap just pretend high resolution, as in standard CD resolution up-sampled to a higher resolution. Just how many frequency spectrum graphs is it going to take for people to get the message. A message along the lines of for every true resolution recording being sold by HDTracks there are at least two pretend high resolution recordings being sold by HDTracks. Here's a frequency spectrum graph taken from one of the songs on a very recent HDTracks offering: The Rolling Stones - 60's UK EP Collection The BS write up about just the high resolution tracks are generated (taken from the HDTracks site): "For the analog to digital transfers, vintage reel-to-reel tape machines were utilized - a modified Ampex 351 with original tube electronics (full track mono and two track stereo) and an Ampex ATR-102 modified with Aria Discrete Class-A Electronics (full track mono and two track stereo). A Sonoma DSD digital audio workstation was the chosen high resolution format and Meitner Design ADC8 and DAC8 MKlV converters were used for the conversion process. Cables used were the cryogenically frozen type supplied to us by Gus Skinas of Super Audio Center. Gus also provided much guidance to Jody Klein, Steve Rosenthal and myself for our first time use of DSD technology. For this HD Tracks release, the Bob Ludwig mastered DSD files were converted to both 176.4kHz and 88.2kHz high resolution PCM with Weiss Saracon conversion software" Pray tell, why does the graph below show almost nothing in the frequencies above 22kHz, which just so happens is exactly what the graph would like if it was made from standard resolution CD? Graph: +---+ |Filename: Snap1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12447| +---+ -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to browse my "HD" audio tracks?
I use puddletag to automagically append [24/96], [24/48] etc. to album names for albums other than 16/44.1. I don't bother browsing for them though, I choose my music based on what I want to listen to rather than resolution. If I really want to find just high res stuff I just search for '[24/' or something else that reflects the resolution I'm after. If you're getting stuff from HDTracks the process is a lot simpler - just file under crap! -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89863 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech offer: 50% off any one item
Ikabob;655295 Wrote: > Where is a radio for 116? Thanks. It was another email offer from Logitech directly. When I logged into the Logitech sales site, the Radio was $117 and the Transporter SE was now $999, with free shipping but Calif. tax additional for me. You folks are right about the Transporter price. I think they'd still sell pretty well if they just kept it at, say, $749. If they actually want to sell many... -- desertrat58 Living room: Transporter -> Bryston BP25MC pre -> M&K active monitors + subwoofer. Analog Sota Nova tt + Graham 2.2 arm + Benz Ace HO cart Bedroom: Boom + Polk SW10 subwoofer Garage: Touch + TBD audio Office: SqueezePlay + PC with Emu 1212m soundcard analog out -> Audio Alchemy DLC Pre -> AA OM150 amp -> old M&K sat/sub system Everywhere: Squeeze Commander + Squeeze Player apps + HTC Incredible 2 phone -> Plantronics Voyager bt headset Music: 1238 CDs ripped + ~1300 LPs + 80 concert DVDs desertrat58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
^^^ there is, it's called marketing... -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz eq installation issues (mac) PLZ HELP
Harry G;655314 Wrote: > Do you mean Linux as well as Unix? Other than displaying the interface > and the fact that its a memory hog its worked pretty well in my Ubuntu > box. > Yes, the developers all use linux. If you are happy with Inguz then there is little reason to switch. If not, then brutefirdrc is maybe a little easier to install and set up. And you can always convert Inguz filters to brutefir. (Setup with the Touch is not so easy in the current released version - a new version will be released as soon we have some bad weather and I have a reason to be indoors.) Harry G;655314 Wrote: > > Does Brutefir allow for as many taps as Inguz? By default brutefirdrc uses 64k, which I think is the same as Inguz, and is more than generous for a room correction filter. A quick google couldnt tell me how many taps Inguz supports, but brutefir (the convolution engine used by the brutefirdrc plugin) is regularly used with 300k taps in other applications. How many taps do you want. The best place for brutefirdrc questions is the google groups at http://groups.google.com/group/brutefirdrc -- htrd Toby Dickenson Your last.fm profile mashed with eBay; www.exitahead.co.uk htrd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Forget 24/192 how about 24/384?
Wombat;655070 Wrote: > And even if it was, there shouldn´t be "more" music in as it is with > 24/88.2 :) > > I think I might be inclined to agree. All of the problems with redbook / 16/44.1 (and there are many) are gone with 24/96. I don't know if there is much point in playing the numbers game -- amey01 amey01's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11274 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
