Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I've enjoyed T3.0 for my setup,thanks! I have a onkyo 608 avr I use for my Touch, for quite awhile I was using a monoprice digital coax thinking this was the best route,was bored last week and decided to toy around with an old Monster toslink,to my surprise it opened my music up,so I took a forum members advice and got a glass toslink, Sonicwave glass .5m my avr's coax must be crap if I'm getting a cleaner,smoother more detailed sound from this,I've read many battles between the two and coax always seems to be the winner,huh Just want to say thanks for the time spent from all of you who have made this gadget a fantastic music box! -- c-eling c-eling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;678916 Wrote: > Hahaha, good one! For what it's worth, that was a piece of free advice > from me, and you're free to use it any way you like (or not to use it). > Others, however, may find it more useful. > > It's kind of odd how many people on this forum are extremely dogmatic. > You give them a piece of good old common sense advice, such as 'there > is always room for improvement', and they get agitated and for some > reason feel threatened and want to retaliate. But in all seriousness, > people, no matter how much you may think that you have reached the > pinnacle in your audio configuration, there will always be some other > system that will take your system to school. To repeat: there is always > room for improvement, no matter what the fundamentalists may say. > > As far as using this forum to work on a PhD thesis, you're right, > Morpheus -- this is an ideal matrix for studying symptoms of unfounded > paranoia and the blossoming of conspiracy theories. All you need to > work on now is finding your Neo who will liberate you from being > enslaved in this matrix. > > Just beware of Agent Smith, if you get my drift... Alex, whats all this about Shakti stones... :) -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678910 Wrote: > apologies for that unpleasant episode or comedy gold depending on how > you see it. must be more disciplined, but it was easy meat. comedy gold in my book. Some folks are needing to take themselves just a LITTLE bit less seriously... :) What is it about internet forums that brings out the worst in people? -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Emotiva mini X100 amp 60 WPC SB Touch Axiom M22 V3 Speakers -- Recoveryone Pioneer Elite Logictech/Slim Device Transporter wirelessly connected Pioneer Elite VSX-81TX Pioneer BDP 320 2nd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (Bedroom) Pioneer VSX 520K Pioneer BDP 120 3rd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (MediaRoom) Pioneer VSX 510 Server running on (In garage) 4th Squeezebox 3 Wirelessly P4 3.0 GHz 2 gig ram Windows XP (Sp3) Linksys NIC wireless card w/HG anatana/speed boost 350 Xternal gigHD W/1.5 TB backup Verizon 54g wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;678916 Wrote: > It's kind of odd how many people on this forum are extremely dogmatic. I find most people these days are too dogmatic, forum members or not (cf., current state of politics in the United States...) ;-) -- garym Location 1: VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Office: Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
garym;678833 Wrote: > OK, this confirms it. MCR is a very high quality troll. Either for his > own amusement or possibly as part of a larger study related to his PhD > dissertation, he throws out things here on the forums and then sits > back and waits to capture and/or record the responses of those seeking > truth, justice, and better audio. > > Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down MCR in any way. I'm in awe. > It's brilliant. Simply brilliant. Hahaha, good one! For what it's worth, that was a piece of free advice from me, and you're free to use it any way you like (or not to use it). Others, however, may find it more useful. It's kind of odd how many people on this forum are extremely dogmatic. You give them a piece of good old common sense advice, such as 'there is always room for improvement', and they get agitated and for some reason feel threatened and want to retaliate. But in all seriousness, people, no matter how much you may think that you have reached the pinnacle in your audio configuration, there will always be some other system that will take your system to school. To repeat: there is always room for improvement, no matter what the fundamentalists may say. As far as using this forum to work on a PhD thesis, you're right, Morpheus -- this is an ideal matrix for studying symptoms of unfounded paranoia and the blossoming of conspiracy theories. All you need to work on now is finding your Neo who will liberate you from being enslaved in this matrix. Just beware of Agent Smith, if you get my drift... -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
apologies for that unpleasant episode or comedy gold depending on how you see it. must be more disciplined, but it was easy meat. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678869 Wrote: > You kill me. > > I would suggest that Soundcheck would have had an easier ride recently > without your "mods" detracting from his work. > > Where was your impact analysis? change management? > > ~No where. > > where did that leave most other TT3.0 users? Sorry have to say this... What the fuck have YOU done for the community, other than moan about someone who HAS (on his own time)? Whats the agenda here? -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678865 Wrote: > can you put your mum on for a moment. I burst out laughing when I read that... Tongue in cheek but very funny -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
guidof;678893 Wrote: > SBGK: > > Tried your page 48, 12/21 values last night. > > In my system, the difference with TT3.0 are fairly subtle. The sound > signature is pretty much the same; maybe a bit fuller in the bass. > > The more noticeable difference is in the soundstage: greater depth and > a bit easier to distinguish individual instrumental lines. > > On the whole, a worthwhile change. > > Thanks a lot for sharing! > > Guido F. Phewthat was a breath of fresh air. -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via optical > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678889 Wrote: > And limitations willl often delay shite from one's mouth... don't you mean keyboard, or are you into scat. 2 pandas 1 cup. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678587 Wrote: > Klaus, > > I have updated my TT priority settings on Page 48. have dialled back > the settings for pdflush to 98 and irq14 and irq47 to 39. buffer set to > 3200. probably very tailored to my system. > > I don't plan to update it anymore as it is pretty good and people can > tune it to their system. > > looking forward to TT4.0 > > thanks again SBGK: Tried your page 48, 12/21 values last night. In my system, the difference with TT3.0 are fairly subtle. The sound signature is pretty much the same; maybe a bit fuller in the bass. The more noticeable difference is in the soundstage: greater depth and a bit easier to distinguish individual instrumental lines. On the whole, a worthwhile change. Thanks a lot for sharing! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;67 Wrote: > It would be good to get back from religion to reality - your minor > tweaks - yes - have had marginal improvements.. > > But man needs to know his limitations... you've taught me a lot about man's limitations. thanks, I am humbled in the presence of such greatness. I am going back to TT2.0. I think I prefer the less processed sound. so thanks for veering me away from TT4.0, that would have been a mistake. have you tried putting vaseline under the feet of the SBT, better transfer of sonic vibration, assuming you've got a SBT stand that is. £50 from atacama. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
And limitations willl often delay shite from one's mouth... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678884 Wrote: > no don't go. your my pet. I need a tester. please. It would be good to get back from religion to reality - your minor tweaks - yes - have had marginal improvements.. But man needs to know his limitations... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678881 Wrote: > You are sadly deluded my son. Without Soundcheck you are > nowhere...Amen. > > Merry Xmas. no don't go. your my pet. I need a tester. please. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678879 Wrote: > I like to think I've played my part, thanks. I like to look on it as > Klaus is the grand architect guided by god of course and I am the > engineer who assembles the great lodge so that all may enter and be > brothers together. You are sadly deluded my son. Without Soundcheck you are nowhere...Amen. Merry Xmas. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678878 Wrote: > You had a brief ambulance chase..leave the real work to the master... I like to think I've played my part, thanks. I like to look on it as Klaus is the grand architect guided by god of course and I am the engineer who assembles the great lodge so that all may enter and be brothers together. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
You had a brief ambulance chase..leave the real work to the master... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678875 Wrote: > I haven't got a clue. Maybe if Klaus read the last few pages for a laugh > he can decipher, cos I haven't got the foggiest... then that's something we can both agree on. Good night, sweet dreams. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678871 Wrote: > are you off your head ? meds not working ? > > where is the ignore button? ah, there it is. I haven't got a clue. Maybe if Klaus read the last few pages for a laugh he can decipher, cos I haven't got the foggiest... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I guess answers to all of the above are ...nowhere/. Thats's why you had users all over the place tracking obscure changes and wondering what the foxtrot they had to do with TT3.0 -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678869 Wrote: > You kill me. > > I would suggest that Soundcheck would have had an easier ride recently > without your "mods" detracting from his work. > > Where was your impact analysis? change management? > > ~No where. > > where did that leave most other TT3.0 users? are you off your head ? meds not working ? where is the ignore button? ah, there it is. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
You kill me. I would suggest that Soundcheck would have had an easier ride recently without your "mods" detracting from his work. Where was your impact analysis? change management? ~No where. where did that leave most other TT3.0 users? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678854 Wrote: > Simply. TT3.0 was released and many people tried it, for good or bad. > There was feedback from both camps. Suddenly, after a couple of months, > another guy comes on the scene mentioning tweaks? How were these tweaks > tested against the original? Change management? Version control? > > What is stopping the average SBT user (eg me) making a few hokey > changes on the fly and losing all original TT3.0 implementation? > > Surely this mini -me should be working with Klaus as a bare min? > > Or did I get it wrong?! There have been more than a few folks who've been mucking about in there with Klaus on similar issues. In particular "dynaudiorules" was the first that I remember who took the TT 2.0 mods as a basis and started fiddling with the priority settings. And, it sort went through a similar set of iterations and was actually an eye-opener for many. See: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.phpt=89359&highlight=dynaudiorules So, SBKG is merely continuing a fine tradition. As for the "average user" screwing up the TT settings, nothing's gonna' stop that from happening but IMHO, that's no reason for the dynaudiorules and SBGK's of the world to stop doing what they do. And honestly, I actually don't believe the "average" Touch user (either from fear or ignorance) is going to go anywhere near doing their own "hokey changes". And, if they do that without backing up their original settings, well.they kinda' deserve it. Even then, how hard would it then be to do a fresh TT install, anyway, and put everything back to original TT 3.0 configuration? I believe that most of us "amateurs" who get to feeling bold enough to take a deep breath and try some of this stuff understand that we need to be aware of what we're doing and are working outside the bounds of the more formal world of change management and version control. Not that it would be a bad thing at all for SBGK and his ilk to be working with Klaus.. But, againreally failing to see why this is causing you so much consternation. Chill...have some eggnog and raise a toast to SBGK, dynaudiorules and Klaus for---at least in some cases---making our Touch's sound like "a million bucks" (or at least a thousand bucks, heheheh). -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via optical > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
can you put your mum on for a moment. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678856 Wrote: > you own a piece of Linn classic with integrated cd, tuner and amp, > don't bleat to me that SBT doesn't sound good. That's not hi-fi, you've > been mugged, quick call the cops. You will quickly alienate yourself - not many people share your thinking esp where you have spent - however, I return to my earlier point why is TT4.0 better than TT3.0? I'm perfectly happy with a Linn Classik & JM Labs 715 speaker set up. With the Touch as front end. I don't think its being mugged, other than I dont use the Linn for what I originally bought it for. For the benefit of a lot of SBT followers, including me, how do we avoid being mugged? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678851 Wrote: > Stick your diatribes... > > Report back once you have reported out of a Linn dealership as > mentioned before. > > I'll do the same, as it has been a few months since SBT acquisition / > TT mods. you own a piece of Linn classic with integrated cd, tuner and amp, don't bleat to me that SBT doesn't sound good. That's not hi-fi, you've been mugged, quick call the cops. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
rgro;678850 Wrote: > ReallyI'm failing to see what the issue is here. SBGK is indulging > in the time-honored tradition of "fiddling"---taking the basis of what > someone else has done and attempting to make it better. Without folks > like him and Klaus we wouldn't have this thread, nor would there be > many other advancements in science and technology, to name a few. If > SBGK likes how his TT and self-modded Touch front end sounds in his > system, I can't and won't argue with that, regardless of how much or > little it cost him. > > SBGK is very kindly passing along his results, and opinions thereof, > for us to try. I believe, if he's not technically "working" with > Klaus, he's certainly passing along the results of his experimentations > for Klaus to incorporate---or not as he chooses---into his next TT > release. > > Whether SBGK's tweaks sounds better to him or to you or to me is, of > course, a matter of our personal ears and the unique interactions of > each of our equipment. I don't see that there is any sort of > "detraction" to what he's doing or posting here. We're all free to > try, not try, keep, discard, modify, etc. what these folks are > doing---all they're bestowing on us is the opportunity to do so. I > find it, at the very least, endearing. > > If your point is that TT 3.0 is, or should be, the endpoint of trying > to make the Touch a better front end, that seems to run contrary to > much of the SB community ethos. People like Klaus/SBGK, Erland, > Pippin, et al are all working to push the product beyond its orginal > designer's limits. It's what keeps many of us interested and > (especially in mcr's case ;>)) entertained. > > I guess if TT 4.0 doesn't push the Touch's sonic performance beyond > what TT 3.0 does, folks can and will weigh in on that. I suppose > someone could've made the same point about TT 1.0 and TT 2.0---in that > they seemingly had reached the limits of what could have a truly > noticeable audible effect. But, for me, I'll definitely want to try > 4.0. > > I understand nothing of how this stuff works and how Klaus and others > get in there and figure it out, but I hope that we can continue to > encourage the Klaus' and SBGK's to, as long as they're enjoying it, > keep contributing and not settle for "good enough". Simply. TT3.0 was released and many people tried it, for good or bad. There was feedback from both camps. Suddenly, after a couple of months, another guy comes on the scene mentioning tweaks? How were these tweaks tested against the original? Change management? Version control? What is stopping the average SBT user (eg me) making a few hokey changes on the fly and losing all original TT3.0 implementation? Surely this mini -me should be working with Klaus as a bare min? Or did I get it wrong?! -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Stick your diatribes... Report back once you have reported out of a Linn dealership as mentioned before. I'll do the same, as it has been a few months since SBT acquisition / TT mods. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678806 Wrote: > SBGK, Understand I'm not knocking you - you have done some great stuff > to possibly compliment Sounchecks work. I'm slightly concerned that it > might detract from this thread and confuse followers here. What about > opening up a mini-me thread? Or work with Klaus behind the scene? ReallyI'm failing to see what the issue is here. SBGK is indulging in the time-honored tradition of "fiddling"---taking the basis of what someone else has done and attempting to make it better. Without folks like him and Klaus we wouldn't have this thread, nor would there be many other advancements in science and technology, to name a few. If SBGK likes how his TT and self-modded Touch front end sounds in his system, I can't and won't argue with that, regardless of how much or little it cost him. SBGK is very kindly passing along his results, and opinions thereof, for us to try. I believe, if he's not technically "working" with Klaus, he's certainly passing along the results of his experimentations for Klaus to incorporate---or not as he chooses---into his next TT release. Whether SBGK's tweaks sounds better to him or to you or to me is, of course, a matter of our personal ears and the unique interactions of each of our equipment. I don't see that there is any sort of "detraction" to what he's doing or posting here. We're all free to try, not try, keep, discard, modify, etc. what these folks are doing---all they're bestowing on us is the opportunity to do so. I find it, at the very least, endearing. If your point is that TT 3.0 is, or should be, the endpoint of trying to make the Touch a better front end, that seems to run contrary to much of the SB community ethos. People like Klaus/SBGK, Erland, Pippin, et al are all working to push the product beyond its orginal designer's limits. It's what keeps many of us interested and (especially in mcr's case ;>)) entertained. I guess if TT 4.0 doesn't push the Touch's sonic performance beyond what TT 3.0 does, folks can and will weigh in on that. I suppose someone could've made the same point about TT 1.0 and TT 2.0---in that they seemingly had reached the limits of what could have a truly noticeable audible effect. But, for me, I'll definitely want to try 4.0. I understand nothing of how this stuff works and how Klaus and others get in there and figure it out, but I hope that we can continue to encourage the Klaus' and SBGK's to, as long as they're enjoying it, keep contributing and not settle for "good enough". -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via optical > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
garym;669663 Wrote: > Hmm, I see you weren't kidding when you said you weren't worried about > embarrassing yourself. to quote someone else commenting about your diatribes -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678842 Wrote: > how far past a Linn DS, can it be improved fuerther ? I would like to > know. > > Hoist by your own petard I believe. I may have been away from planet earth for a while but obviously IQ's dropped a tad in my absence: Take your SBT + laptop into a Linn Dealer and hook it up against: Linn DS Linn Majik DS Linn Akurate DS Linn Klimax DS and report back. Then we can compare results, after Xmas and when we have enjoyed the seasons festivities... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;669667 Wrote: > We're talking about a $300 piece of kit here so I guess we can all > embarrass ourselves a little. > > Now if we were Linn DS Klimax owners... > > Lighten up peeps - Touch + TT3.0 is way past entry Linn DS and then > some.. how far past a Linn DS, can it be improved fuerther ? I would like to know. Hoist by your own petard I believe. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;678826 Wrote: > There is always room for improvement. I'm sure there will be new, never > before thought of ways to squeeze even more music out of the Touch. The > age of endless tweaking had just begun, and you want to close the > chapter on it already? > > I've been doing a lot of critical listening myself, especially with the > recent mods that ensued when TT3.0 got released. I've concluded that, on > my system, all the improvements are first and foremost detectable in > terms of resolution, separation, lowering the noise floor, eliminating > the digital artifacts such as glare and grit. However, no matter how > polished these tweaks may be, the fact still remains that the resulting > sound is unmistakably digital. I wanted to see if I could cheat mother > nature and approximate the illusion of playing a high end analog source > while streaming to the Touch. Here is what I did: > > There is an ultra high-end audio store a few blocks away from my house. > I've spent a few days in there, doing my pre-Christmas shopping > (basically, doing a LOT of auditioning and chatting with the owner as > well as with the unavoidable onlookers. The end result -- I've brought > home three Shakti stones and a Shunyata power cable. > > OK, so this sounds like I've gone mental and succumbed to the worst > case of audiophilia nervosa and all that voodoo. But hear me out. I > place Shakti stones on my DAC, and on the preamp and power amp (it's > important to place them above the transformers in each component). Then > I replace my Nordost power cable with the Shunyata power cable and, lo > and behold, the CHARACTER of the sound, as if by magic, radically > changed. > > The best way to describe the change is to say that the sound became > much 'wetter'. Wet as in luscious wet oil paint. So yes, wet, greasy, > oily, juicy, in short -- organic and very much analog-like. Removing > the Shakti stones and the Shunyata power cable brought back the old > familiar dry, analytical, clinical sound. Put the Shakti stones on > again and connect the power amp with Shunyata, and voila! the wet, > greasy sound is back again. It feels as if the sound has been > amplified, even though the volume level hasn't changed. But the > subjective impression is that now I'm listening to a louder, more > present sound. The effect is similar to loading a photo into the > Photoshop and then cranking up the color saturation. > > I highly recommend this tweak. It'll revitalize your system, especially > if you have it all modded to its gills with Soundcheck's TT3.0. Shakti > stones are marvelous in reducing the EMI and the RFI glare, and > Shunyata power cables are world renowned for their exquisite 'liquid' > sound. Believe me, it's worth a try, because it will get your system > sounding like a high-end vinyl rig. Don't know if its troll behaviour or just a few too many Moets... -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;678826 Wrote: > There is always room for improvement. I'm sure there will be new, never > before thought of ways to squeeze even more music out of the Touch. The > age of endless tweaking had just begun, and you want to close the > chapter on it already? > > I've been doing a lot of critical listening myself, especially with the > recent mods that ensued when TT3.0 got released. I've concluded that, on > my system, all the improvements are first and foremost detectable in > terms of resolution, separation, lowering the noise floor, eliminating > the digital artifacts such as glare and grit. However, no matter how > polished these tweaks may be, the fact still remains that the resulting > sound is unmistakably digital. I wanted to see if I could cheat mother > nature and approximate the illusion of playing a high end analog source > while streaming to the Touch. Here is what I did: > > There is an ultra high-end audio store a few blocks away from my house. > I've spent a few days in there, doing my pre-Christmas shopping > (basically, doing a LOT of auditioning and chatting with the owner as > well as with the unavoidable onlookers. The end result -- I've brought > home three Shakti stones and a Shunyata power cable. > > OK, so this sounds like I've gone mental and succumbed to the worst > case of audiophilia nervosa and all that voodoo. But hear me out. I > place Shakti stones on my DAC, and on the preamp and power amp (it's > important to place them above the transformers in each component). Then > I replace my Nordost power cable with the Shunyata power cable and, lo > and behold, the CHARACTER of the sound, as if by magic, radically > changed. > > The best way to describe the change is to say that the sound became > much 'wetter'. Wet as in luscious wet oil paint. So yes, wet, greasy, > oily, juicy, in short -- organic and very much analog-like. Removing > the Shakti stones and the Shunyata power cable brought back the old > familiar dry, analytical, clinical sound. Put the Shakti stones on > again and connect the power amp with Shunyata, and voila! the wet, > greasy sound is back again. It feels as if the sound has been > amplified, even though the volume level hasn't changed. But the > subjective impression is that now I'm listening to a louder, more > present sound. The effect is similar to loading a photo into the > Photoshop and then cranking up the color saturation. > > I highly recommend this tweak. It'll revitalize your system, especially > if you have it all modded to its gills with Soundcheck's TT3.0. Shakti > stones are marvelous in reducing the EMI and the RFI glare, and > Shunyata power cables are world renowned for their exquisite 'liquid' > sound. Believe me, it's worth a try, because it will get your system > sounding like a high-end vinyl rig. OK, this confirms it. MCR is a very high quality troll. Either for his own amusement or possibly as part of a larger study related to his PhD dissertation, he throws out things here on the forums and then sits back and waits to capture and/or record the responses of those seeking truth, justice, and better audio. Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down MCR in any way. I'm in awe. It's brilliant. Simply brilliant. -- garym Location 1: VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Office: Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;678826 Wrote: > There is always room for improvement. I'm sure there will be new, never > before thought of ways to squeeze even more music out of the Touch. The > age of endless tweaking had just begun, and you want to close the > chapter on it already? > > I've been doing a lot of critical listening myself, especially with the > recent mods that ensued when TT3.0 got released. I've concluded that, on > my system, all the improvements are first and foremost detectable in > terms of resolution, separation, lowering the noise floor, eliminating > the digital artifacts such as glare and grit. However, no matter how > polished these tweaks may be, the fact still remains that the resulting > sound is unmistakably digital. I wanted to see if I could cheat mother > nature and approximate the illusion of playing a high end analog source > while streaming to the Touch. Here is what I did: > > There is an ultra high-end audio store a few blocks away from my house. > I've spent a few days in there, doing my pre-Christmas shopping > (basically, doing a LOT of auditioning and chatting with the owner as > well as with the unavoidable onlookers. The end result -- I've brought > home three Shakti stones and a Shunyata power cable. > > OK, so this sounds like I've gone mental and succumbed to the worst > case of audiophilia nervosa and all that voodoo. But hear me out. I > place Shakti stones on my DAC, and on the preamp and power amp (it's > important to place them above the transformers in each component). Then > I replace my Nordost power cable with the Shunyata power cable and, lo > and behold, the CHARACTER of the sound, as if by magic, radically > changed. > > The best way to describe the change is to say that the sound became > much 'wetter'. Wet as in luscious wet oil paint. So yes, wet, greasy, > oily, juicy, in short -- organic and very much analog-like. Removing > the Shakti stones and the Shunyata power cable brought back the old > familiar dry, analytical, clinical sound. Put the Shakti stones on > again and connect the power amp with Shunyata, and voila! the wet, > greasy sound is back again. It feels as if the sound has been > amplified, even though the volume level hasn't changed. But the > subjective impression is that now I'm listening to a louder, more > present sound. The effect is similar to loading a photo into the > Photoshop and then cranking up the color saturation. > > I highly recommend this tweak. It'll revitalize your system, especially > if you have it all modded to its gills with Soundcheck's TT3.0. Shakti > stones are marvelous in reducing the EMI and the RFI glare, and > Shunyata power cables are world renowned for their exquisite 'liquid' > sound. Believe me, it's worth a try, because it will get your system > sounding like a high-end vinyl rig. Everyone is at a different point of implementation / installation and therefore its dangerous to call. And then the amount of earwax building in each ear versus the moon phase...yah de yah yah de yah.. Merry Xmas Everyone. Mark -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678718 Wrote: > I think you may have hit the nail on the head with your line: > > "What more do I want? It's all there." > > Exactly. Maybe Everest has been climbed. Maybe you have managed to > squeeze out (excuse the pun) everything available from SB Touch with > TT3.0 & all other environment mods. > > Remember, it is a budget piece of kit that with your mods has bought it > into a league way over its price point. > > Be satisfied with what you have achieved and what you have shared with > this community. > There is always room for improvement. I'm sure there will be new, never before thought of ways to squeeze even more music out of the Touch. The age of endless tweaking had just begun, and you want to close the chapter on it already? I've been doing a lot of critical listening myself, especially with the recent mods that ensued when TT3.0 got released. I've concluded that, on my system, all the improvements are first and foremost detectable in terms of resolution, separation, lowering the noise floor, eliminating the digital artifacts such as glare and grit. However, no matter how polished these tweaks may be, the fact still remains that the resulting sound is unmistakably digital. I wanted to see if I could cheat mother nature and approximate the illusion of playing a high end analog source while streaming to the Touch. Here is what I did: There is an ultra high-end audio store a few blocks away from my house. I've spent a few days in there, doing my pre-Christmas shopping (basically, doing a LOT of auditioning and chatting with the owner as well as with the unavoidable onlookers. The end result -- I've brought home three Shakti stones and a Shunyata power cable. OK, so this sounds like I've gone mental and succumbed to the worst case of audiophilia nervosa and all that voodoo. But hear me out. I place Shakti stones on my DAC, and on the preamp and power amp (it's important to place them above the transformers in each component). Then I replace my Nordost power cable with the Shunyata power cable and, lo and behold, the CHARACTER of the sound, as if by magic, radically changed. The best way to describe the change is to say that the sound became much 'wetter'. Wet as in luscious wet oil paint. So yes, wet, greasy, oily, juicy, in short -- organic and very much analog-like. Removing the Shakti stones and the Shunyata power cable brought back the old familiar dry, analytical, clinical sound. Put the Shakti stones on again and connect the power amp with Shunyata, and voila! the wet, greasy sound is back again. It feels as if the sound has been amplified, even though the volume level hasn't changed. But the subjective impression is that now I'm listening to a louder, more present sound. The effect is similar to loading a photo into the Photoshop and then cranking up the color saturation. I highly recommend this tweak. It'll revitalize your system, especially if you have it all modded to its gills with Soundcheck's TT3.0. Shakti stones are marvelous in reducing the EMI and the RFI glare, and Shunyata power cables are world renowned for their exquisite 'liquid' sound. Believe me, it's worth a try, because it will get your system sounding like a high-end vinyl rig. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
That was a converstation stopper...?!! But I think it made the point. Happy Xmas to all (existing SBT users, but non trolls..if that makes sense..) Mark -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
theanvah;678821 Wrote: > My apologies - $1,000 - $2,000 CAD. I have a small secondary system with the following that is quite nice (and very compact). It has the amp/preamp/tuner, then connect a CD player as an input and the SBTouch as an input and you're all set for I think under your $2k. parasound: zamp v3 zpre2 ztuner v2 (and you can add the zCD if desired). http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/ I feed a (predecessor) pair of these: http://www.aperionaudio.com/product/Intimus-4B-Satellite-Speaker,113,90,261.aspx -- garym Location 1: VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Office: Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678802 Wrote: > All our partners are different, so when the OP emphasizes -"A > requirement from my SO. Need a CD player."- I take that as > non-negotiable, at least until the SO gets won over by the SB. > > In my family we did away with the tuner and kept the CD player on the > main system. My wife has grown to like the SB ecosystem, but I do hear > "Why can't I just play FM radio?" when our local public radio station's > stream has problems. The CD player only gets used if a friend comes over > with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put > them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason). I am eternally hopeful that a wholly NAS / Stream based solution will win out for my SO. But I can't take the risk - too many practical negative consequences I'd rather not face :-) -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678744 Wrote: > Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but > first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000 > what? My apologies - $1,000 - $2,000 CAD. -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I don't understand why TT4.0 is a solution? Is TT3.0 not good enough? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678810 Wrote: > I don't know if troll means a SB customer and active contributor here, > but I refer you to my earlier post. > > Maybe better success would be achieved working behind the scenes with > Klaus rather than after any possible future TT release? me polluting the thread !!! I am sure Klaus can speak for himself. I ask again what is your point ? Oh, you don't have one. Assume this thread will end when TT4.0 comes along. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678807 Wrote: > since you ask. > > I set my system up in the age of cd and had a high end Linn CD player. > I am loathe to spend thousands on a front end when all it is doing is > converting pcm to bits. > > may i remind you that you know nothing about how my system sounds with > the SBT and so far have shown no inclination in finding out. > > Must stop feeding the trolls. I don't know if troll means a SB customer and active contributor here, but I refer you to my earlier post. Maybe better success would be achieved working behind the scenes with Klaus rather than after any possible future TT release? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678800 Wrote: > I lost the plot - your system sounds way out of sync - why anyone would > spend 6k on an amplification/ speaker solution to back a $200 front end > beats me. OK, the mod'd SBT might punch at a £1000 front end, but that's > still way out of kilter. > > If I had had the means to implement a £6k back end it would have been > complimented by a well researched four figure front end. since you ask. I set my system up in the age of cd and had a high end Linn CD player. I am loathe to spend thousands on a front end when all it is doing is converting bits to pcm. may i remind you that you know nothing about how my system sounds with the SBT and so far have shown no inclination in finding out. Must stop feeding the trolls. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK, Understand I'm not knocking you - you have done some great stuff to possibly compliment Sounchecks work. I'm slightly concerned that it might detract from this thread and confuse followers here. What about opening up a mini-me thread? Or work with Klaus behind the scene? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
jean2;678797 Wrote: > My wife also wanted to keep the radio and the CD player. I went cold > turkey, and I connected the SB-Touch only, the old radio and CD are no > longer active. The trick was to make sure all CDs are available on the > Touch and easy to find. The SB-Touch will most likely provide all local > radio stations. After getting familiar with the SB-Touch, my wife never > asked back for the radio or CD player, and welcomed the addition of a > SB-Radio. All our partners are different, so when the OP emphasizes -"A requirement from my SO. Need a CD player."- I take that as non-negotiable, at least until the SO gets won over by the SB. In my family we did away with the tuner and kept the CD player on the main system. My wife has grown to like the SB ecosystem, but I do hear "Why can't I just play FM radio?" when our local public radio station's stream has problems. The CD player only gets used if a friend comes over with a CD, or for one of my wife's exercise CDs (I've offered to put them on the server, but she'd rather not for some reason). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678799 Wrote: > > pandasharka;678792 Wrote: > > > > > > still think you are feeling threatened by SBT mods for some reason> > > > Klaus has quoted me on his website in one of his early adopter > testominals (check it out). > > I'm absolutely not a Linn Dealer! I'm in the SBT club. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678794 Wrote: > and this has what to do with TT3.0 or modifications of ? > > I prefer to judge by listening, to me the SBT works, otherwise my > system would highlight the deficiencies. I lost the plot - your system sounds way out of sync - why anyone would spend 6k on an amplification/ speaker solution to back a $200 front end beats me. OK, the mod'd SBT might punch at a £1000 front end, but that's still way out of kilter. If I had had the means to implement a £6k back end it would have been complimented by a well researched four figure front end. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
aubuti;678788 Wrote: > ...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then he/she > would need a preamp between the multiple sources (SB, CD, tuner) and > speakers, not an amp. My wife also wanted to keep the radio and the CD player. I went cold turkey, and I connected the SB-Touch only, the old radio and CD are no longer active. The trick was to make sure all CDs are available on the Touch and easy to find. The SB-Touch will most likely provide all local radio stations. After getting familiar with the SB-Touch, my wife never asked back for the radio or CD player, and welcomed the addition of a SB-Radio. Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678792 Wrote: > > SBGK;678785 Wrote: > > well, I believe Klaus has said TT4.0 has significant improvements, this > > is what he was talking about when he said it is all there. People are > > waiting until a better method of transferring data than usb is > > available or the issues are sorted. > > > > > > What?? Assume TT4 doesn't exist. Assume you will never hear it. Lucky > > you have had the opportunity to hear TT3 / TT2 (unlike a lot of SBT > > customers out there). What is Klaus' motivation to release another TT? > > It's not for $$$ development dollars because I'm sure there is no > > return. > > > > Logitech Corporate own the problem of usb transfer, and safe to assume > > that won't be fixed in a hurry.> > > > still think you are feeling threatened by SBT mods for some reason -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678786 Wrote: > But it does beg the question SBGK - with 6K of back end investment why > so low on the source? > > Surely that is begging for a weighty front end? and this has what to do with TT3.0 or modifications of ? I prefer to judge by listening, to me the SBT works, otherwise my system would highlight the deficiencies. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678785 Wrote: > well, I believe Klaus has said TT4.0 has significant improvements, this > is what he was talking about when he said it is all there. People are > waiting until a better method of transferring data than usb is > available or the issues are sorted. > > > What?? Assume TT4 doesn't exist. Assume you will never hear it. Lucky > you have had the opportunity to hear TT3 / TT2 (unlike a lot of SBT > customers out there). What is Klaus' motivation to release another TT? > It's not for $$$ development dollars because I'm sure there is no > return. > > Logitech Corporate own the problem of usb transfer, and safe to assume > that won't be fixed in a hurry. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
sc53;678767 Wrote: > Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player (unless you unplug the Touch > and plug in the CD player). If you need two inputs, you need some kind > of amp with at least that many. AudioEngine speakers are cool but only > one set of inputs! The AudioEngine A5 has two mini-jack inputs (one on top, one at the back), and the A5+ has a also two inputs, a mini-jack and a RCA. That's actually one of the main reason I picked the A5 over many other speakers, the other is the auto-shutdown (speaker power off when there is no sound). ob_kook;678749 Wrote: > > SB Touch plus powered speakers. Maybe Audioengine A5. > That's exactly my setup, a Touch ($250), a portable USB drive ($100) and the AudioEngine A5 ($350). I would never claim it's audiophile, but it sounds really good to my ear. I like that it does the job, it's low power and minimalistic. I personally use the built-in server of the Touch, For your budget, you could add a dedicated server like a SqueezePlug. Regards, Jean -- jean2 jean2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33946 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
sc53;678767 Wrote: > Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player ...or a tuner. And if the OP goes for self-powered speakers, then he/she would need a preamp between the sources and speakers, not an amp. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
But it does beg the question SBGK - with 6K of back end investment why so low on the source? Surely that is begging for a weighty front end? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678779 Wrote: > Absolutely Not! I've got a friendly Linn Dealer closeby who tried to > clobber me with an entry Linn DS months ago. Even without any TT mods I > preferred the SBT. > > Entry Linn stuff vs mod'd SBT is even money. Linn Akurate / Klimax > different league. well, I believe Klaus has said TT4.0 has significant improvements, this is what he was talking about when he said it is all there. People are waiting until a better method of transferring data than usb is available or the issues are sorted. it was you who said it won't be better than a £13000 Linn Klimax and I agreed. don't know what point you are trying to make, we should all give up trying to improve things because it will never be better than something costing 65 times as much. I like the sound, it suits my system, why pay more ? -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678777 Wrote: > are you a hi-fi dealer feeling threatened by squeezebox touch mods ? Absolutely Not! I've got a friendly Linn Dealer closeby who tried to clobber me with an entry Linn DS months ago. Even without any TT mods I preferred the SBT. Entry Linn stuff vs mod'd SBT is even money. Linn Akurate / Klimax different league. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678775 Wrote: > But an audiophile should know his limitations? Unless working green into > gold is a forte?! > > Merry Xmas! are you a hi-fi dealer feeling threatened by squeezebox touch mods ? -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678773 Wrote: > this is an audiophile forum, nothing is ever good enough But an audiophile should know his limitations? Unless working green into gold is a forte?! Merry Xmas! -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678760 Wrote: > I get the feeling soundchecks kit isn't too shabby either along with > others in the forum who have fairly high end stuff. Of course these > users will want the best sound possible, for many SBT is a stopgap > until better options appear. Klaus' work has had a massive impact on many a SBT user's listening experience. What I don't see is how SBT is a stopgap - until what? - high end £20k stuff becomes $200, or low end SBT tech suddenly finds the missing (software) link? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678770 Wrote: > I'm confused, Linn £2.5K CD player? Are you talking about a depreciated > CD12? Nothing else I can think of? > > Having listened to a fair amount of Linn DS stuff, SBT is on a par with > a lot of the entry stuff (with TT mods etc), but certainly not the high > end. > > I don't see anything SBT getting into high end league Linn, unless > Klaus goes for a Nobel peace prize. > > But as I have already said - what do you expect from a budget piece of > kit even with all the mods - not a £20k streamer - do they exist? this is an audiophile forum, nothing is ever good enough -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;678760 Wrote: > I have it sitting in front of £6000 of reference quality dac, amp and > speakers and it is about the same level as my £2500 Linn cd player, > with the convenience of streaming. So yes, not as good as a £20,000 > player. > > The reason I didn't buy a Linn is because you are buying into the Linn > sound or Naim sound, or whatever sound. With the SBT you can get very > good performance and with TT3/4 taylor it to your own needs. > > I get the feeling soundchecks kit isn't too shabby either along with > others in the forum who have fairly high end stuff. Of course these > users will want the best sound possible, for many SBT is a stopgap > until better options appear. I'm confused, Linn £2.5K CD player? Are you talking about a depreciated CD12? Nothing else I can think of? Having listened to a fair amount of Linn DS stuff, SBT is on a par with a lot of the entry stuff (with TT mods etc), but certainly not the high end. I don't see anything SBT getting into high end league Linn, unless Klaus goes for a Nobel peace prize. But as I have already said - what do you expect from a budget piece of kit even with all the mods - not a £20k streamer - do they exist? -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Yeah but that doesn't allow for a CD player (unless you unplug the Touch and plug in the CD player). If you need two inputs, you need some kind of amp with at least that many. AudioEngine speakers are cool but only one set of inputs! -- sc53 Living Room ~ Touch > Benchmark DAC > Audio Research CA-2 > ProAc D15 Bedroom ~ Boom Kitchen ~ SB3 > NAD 747 > ATC SCM 12 Listening Room ~ SB3 > Electrocompaniet ECD 1 DAC > Electrocompaniet ECI 3 > Genesis 500 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;678718 Wrote: > > I get the feeling that some owners out there are looking for you to > shoot the silver bullet that will make SB Touch suddenly sound like a > Linn Klimax DS. Realistically that won't happen - or should I say if it > ever does...?! > Mark I have it sitting in front of £6000 of reference quality dac, amp and speakers and it is about the same level as my £2500 Linn cd player, with the convenience of streaming. So yes, not as good as a £20,000 player. The reason I didn't buy a Linn is because you are buying into the Linn sound or Naim sound, or whatever sound. With the SBT you can get very good performance and with TT3/4 taylor it to your own needs. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
For my money with those requirements? SBM Touch plus powered speakers. Maybe Audioengine A5. This would be minamalmist and great sounding. No separate amp required. Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk -- ob_kook Duet --> Axiom passive pre --> Portal Paladin monoblocks --> Dynaudio Contour 1.3 MKII SB2 --> Denon AVR4800 --> Klipsch KG4 Squeezebox Boom Squeezeserver running on a virtual Win7 machine within 2008 R2 Server Hyper-V ob_kook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Welcome, and I'm sure you'll get a lot of good recommendations, but first let's start with a clarification about the budget: 1000 - 2000 what? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB 3 Touch + Everything Else. Budget : 1000 - 2000.
Hi Folks: I've spent the past week reading and doing a little listening. Suffice to say I'm a little overwhelmed with the amount of information available. I would like some advice on a basic setup. Environment: - Small apartment. - The music area is one side of the living room measuring about 14' x 12' Needs: - Only for listening to music. I don't have TV, theater, etc. - Need to be able to listen to: - Digital Music (from a NAS - already have Synology NAS) - CD Player (A requirement from my SO. Need a CD player.) - Radio (Need a tuner) - Stereo setup is fine (don't need surround sounds) - Don't have a lot of space and SO is very picky about appearance, so speakers, amp, etc. should be minimalistic looking. Ex: Nait 5i I can purchase a DAC separately at a future date. What are your recommendations for the remaining components? Speakers, Amps? Thank you very much. Thean. -- theanvah theanvah's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52535 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92509 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Feeling that something was missing with the SBGK-mods, I tried to convert back to my original TT 3.0 LAN / PRIOIRQ47=41 / tt -v setting. In direct comparison the SBGK-variant sounds rather grey and less dynamic. I believe what I liked about the SBGK-mod was the ability to play loud, and the somewhat more 'polite' presentation of the upper midband. (I understand that in bright or forward systems this may work good) But going back to the TT 3.0 I hear what first amazed me with the mod, more powerful yet tighter bass, more presence in the more dynamic midband and the music beeing pumped full of life! I'll keep it this way and run the tt -k. Hats off to Santa Klaus!! :) Merry Christmas and thank you again for letting me hear my music all over again! Regards Rolf -- NoRoDa NoRoDa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;678634 Wrote: > Yep that's correct. Though "current" tweaks are no tweaks, how I'd > define them. > It's just a different parametrization of one out of many other > modifications. Similar to buffer value changes, though a bit more > complex. > > > > You're invited to contribute that ""far better"" 'chord'. ;) > > I'm currently at a stage asking myself: > > "What more do I want? It's all there." > > Klaus Your work has made a night and day difference to the listening pleasure of many people's SB Touch experience, mine included. I think you may have hit the nail on the head with your line: "What more do I want? It's all there." Exactly. Maybe Everest has been climbed. Maybe you have managed to squeeze out (excuse the pun) everything available from SB Touch with TT3.0 & all other environment mods. Remember, it is a budget piece of kit that with your mods has bought it into a league way over its price point. Be satisfied with what you have achieved and what you have shared with this community. TT4.0? Sure, but on your terms and only when you believe it makes a difference over 3.0. Set an expectation of Xmas 2012 and if it appears before hand then you are (even more of)a superstar. I get the feeling that some owners out there are looking for you to shoot the silver bullet that will make SB Touch suddenly sound like a Linn Klimax DS. Realistically that won't happen - or should I say if it ever does...?! Have a great Xmas - you deserve it. Mark -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
HumanMedia;678603 Wrote: > > > All of these current tweaks are also based around the TT3 default core > process priorities. > Yep that's correct. Though "current" tweaks are no tweaks, how I'd define them. It's just a different parametrization of one out of many other modifications. Similar to buffer value changes, though a bit more complex. HumanMedia;678603 Wrote: > > Im wondering if there could be a far better 'chord' of base process > priorities to tweak around? > You're invited to contribute that ""far better"" 'chord'. ;) I'm currently at a stage asking myself: "What more do I want? It's all there." When it comes to the process of how to identify certain settings: The logic that's been applied is putting potentially rather important processes/interrupts high and rather less important processes low. This is the starting point. (pretty much in line with the overal TT modification principle) What many of those processes and interrupts do is roughly indicated/described in the TT-code or you can look it up in the Linux environment or via Google. That'll give you at least some idea where to put this or that parameter. If a particular change of a single parameter has an impact or not doesn't really matter in the beginning. To speed things up you just put all potentially unimportant settings to lower values and rather important ones you line up in the upper range. If you don't do the rough grouping first it would take forever to get to results. And getting to results in a quite efficient way is the only thing what counts. Logitech had applied a similar logic when chosen their prio profile. Logitech though were facing the challenge to find the best compromise to avoid lockups or slowdowns of this or that process/function. To them it's more important to have the display and touchpad working smoothly. That's what the customer will see. On standard Linux kernels you'll find a CFS scheduler (Complete Fair Scheduler)in place. That one makes sure that a normal PC works smooth (fair) under all conditions. A realtime kernel is intentially all but "fair". There's no other OS which has a realtime kernel functionality built in like a rt-linux kernel. rt-kernels are ususally used for industrial realtime purposes. For a "fad" PClike system like the Touch, a modern 3.x CFS kernel might have been the better choice for Logitech. Though, I'm more than happy that there is an rt-kernel inside. Back to the tuning. The final finetuning of the prio mod - the cream on the cake - what's been discussed over here recently is more or less a trial and error excercise (prio Bingo). Nobody is able to look that deep into the code and kernel to figure out exactly how things exactly work together. It's really more about approximation and luck to find the best settings. SBGK's been the only one seriously supporting this excercise. Thx a lot for contributing your findings. Though as you can see from the continous changes that are currently being applied, the Bingo game is full in progress . It's all but stable yet. Nothing I would release to the public at this stage. That's why I've decided not to launch TT4.0 before Christmas. Enjoy your holidays. Merry Christmas. Cheers -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 3.0 and more' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
