Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Darrell and MCRkudos to you both for having a reasoned, civil discussion. I cannot tell you how refreshing it is. I believe MCR has covered much of how I would have responded to you, Darrell. I would only add a couple of comments. To clarify...first of all, the mods I have been referring to all along are only the ones encompassed by Soundcheck's TT3.0 package. With respect to SBGK's contributions, I only refer to his posts regarding his modding and experimentation with the priority settings. I am in agreement with others here in that I believe the 0's and 1's arrive at the Touch in the same "condition" irrespective of the what's happening in the server. I don't particularly subscribe to the o/s and tc/ip mods end of things. I don't believe they can affect the 0's and 1's. However once at the Touch and back out to the dac or amplifier, as MCR has ably pointed out, I'm not so sure. Second, and referring to this point you've made, Darrell: "I see the "clear message as more like "if you won't discuss scientifically a scientific claim, then why post it to a discussion forum?" and, "if you do post such claims on a discussion forum, please be prepared for others to discuss them, and also draw conclusions if you refuse to join the discussion in a constructive manner". Here we're going to disagree. I don't believe that a product discussion forum such as this should be, nor purports to be, a scientific forum as one would define that. I believe that there are a number of members that wish it were and think it should be. And, I think this is one of the underlying causes of a lot of misunderstandings and disagreements. The other group of us, of which I must include myself because I am definitely not a scientist (though I know quite a few!), look at this as a discussion forum in the literal sense. That, to me does not at all preclude the discussion of the science, the scientific questioning of claims made, etc., nor does it preclude what the science-oriented folks would call the subjectivist point of view. I think the expectation that any and all statements here should ONLY be made and after having gone through the rigor of scientific analysis is, in my opinion, and under the unbrella of this type of product forum (emphasis on the preceding phrase here), significantly overreaching. I think if the scientifically-oriented folk want to have a pure scientific audiophile forum that excludes anything that hasn't been dbt tested, peer-reviewed, etc., then I would absolutely support that, would encourage the moderators to create it, and would, at the very least, want to participate as a reader. However, I don't believe this particular Logitech forum was intended as such and is meant to be inclusive of both worlds, much to the apparent chagrin of each. Given the status quo, however, I think the only realistic approach here is for the two perspectives to either learn how to coexist better, or learn to ignore each other without the rancor that has consistently cropped up. And finally I agree with you wholeheartedlyas I've pointed out before---that when these two points of view butt heads, I absolutely deplore the rudeness, churlishness and, as you put it, "the crude and insulting remarks" from ANYONE! It adds nothing to the discussion except to fulfill some self-congratulatory pompousness of the poster at having verbally vanquished his worthless foe. Everybody who's posted here seems pretty intelligent to me---surely those who feel the need to stoop to this type of writing can be much, much better than that. -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Teddy Pardo PS, Touch (wired) > Toslink > Rega DAC > LFD LE IV Signature amp > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0, Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
sckramer;695217 Wrote: > I'll start uploading a few pics > > just start unsoldering 2 larger tabs & at the same time torqe the black > plastic housing off with pliers-- the LED will stay on the board-- take > that off next, also you can put this back together (its not destroyed) Tried this mod this weekend. Disconnected the screen too. Worth the try!. Much reduced digital harsh/noise, better imaging, depth and details. -- lake_eleven lake_eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;697921 Wrote: > Now, you'd have to qualify this: by trying the soundchek's mods, do you > mean tried them full tilt? No wi fi, no screen, vollock at 100%, no > analog outs, tt -b at 3200, tt -k? Yes, if that's what following the instructions on his blog would have done (I can't remember the exact commands now). BTW, I also ran the server on my laptop, on battery power. My standard setup is wifi, LMS on a mini-atom "nettop", music library on a separate NAS drive. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;697915 Wrote: > Which is where personal taste enters the picture, at which point all > bets are off. As would be the pursuit of high fidelity! -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
darrenyeats;697836 Wrote: > LOL! Like you I don't do ignore lists. But I can ignore you the > old-fashioned way if you want? > > PS: Reflecting your concern for the wider community, I am not quoting > your posts - so they have to guess your half of the conversation! They > may even un-ignore you through curiosity. > > Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk Atta boy. Please ignore me, I don't think it's too much to ask. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;697890 Wrote: > This is correct. There was definitely a difference on the analogue outs. Were you able to hear those differences, or merely measure them? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697912 Wrote: > I have, by the way, tried the Soundcheck modifications. I heard no > difference, maybe because I am using a buffering, reclocking DAC. Or > maybe because I -knew- I was using a buffering reclocking DAC! Now, you'd have to qualify this: by trying the soundchek's mods, do you mean tried them full tilt? No wi fi, no screen, vollock at 100%, no analog outs, tt -b at 3200, tt -k? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697912 Wrote: > But some of the differences reported are so astounding, that if real > rather than psychological, surely it can no longer be the same > bitstream arriving at the DAC? I must say that you raise a good point here. Maybe that's exactly the case here? Could it be that by tinkering with the priorities and tasklets, we are in effect 'ameliorating' the bitstream, meaning adding signal that was never present on the original recording? darrell;697912 Wrote: > It must point to the Soundcheck Toolbox acting like some sort of graphic > equaliser (one with the most unintuitive set of "sliders" ever!). I'd say that, in my experience, it's more like the TT3.0 is acting like a Soundshop (i.e. something similar to the notorious Photoshop) tool. You know how you can upload an unadorned digital photo from your camera/phone and play with it using Adobe Photoshop by adding extra information that was never recorded in the camera? You can brighten the photo up, sharpen it, apply color saturation, plus add all kinds of outlandish effects. Many people enjoy playing with such tools, because these tools give them the ability to ameliorate and pretty up their ho-hum photos. I know a lot of people who would never publish their photos unless they first fix them using Photoshop. darrell;697912 Wrote: > So nothing to do with "high fidelity", then, given that the Touch in > stock form delivers a bit-perfect stream to the DAC? You may be right again. If we're using this 'Soundshop' (i.e. TT3.0) to add information that was never there to begin with, that would be the exact opposite of high fidelity. That would be extreme case of infidelity. Again, I have no idea whether that's exactly what's happening, all I know is that I can personally hear discernible differences between certain profiles. At the same time, there are certain tweaks/profiles where I cannot, for the life of me, hear any differences. Now, among the differences I am capable of hearing, some are more and some are less pleasing to my ears. Which is where personal taste enters the picture, at which point all bets are off. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I have, by the way, tried the Soundcheck modifications. I heard no difference, maybe because I am using a buffering, reclocking DAC. Or maybe because I -knew- I was using a buffering reclocking DAC! Obviously, in contrast to "server mods", there does seem to be plausible theory as to why messing around with the software/OS on the Touch itself might make a difference (changes in non-signal path electrical noise). And "small" differences have been measured by Phil Leigh, at least on the analogue outputs. But some of the differences reported are so astounding, that if real rather than psychological, surely it can no longer be the same bitstream arriving at the DAC? It must point to the Soundcheck Toolbox acting like some sort of graphic equaliser (one with the most unintuitive set of "sliders" ever!). So nothing to do with "high fidelity", then, given that the Touch in stock form delivers a bit-perfect stream to the DAC? -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697886 Wrote: > Of course, professional quality measurement and analysis tools would tip > the balance back towards science I'd be curious: are you claiming that there is a scientifically based set of tools that can create optimal speaker placement in one's room? Really? Is there a link? How much does it cost? Why are state of the art audio dealerships not using it, instead of creating these horrendous, crappy sounding demo rooms? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;697894 Wrote: > > > Tne proof of this lies in the effect of these so-called server-side > tweaks on systems using wi-fi ethernet... > > there is no effect is there? -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697886 Wrote: > maybe I should have framed the question more narrowly - "Digital music > transfer - science or craft?" Excellent question. I'd have to break it down into two parts: 1. Digital music transfer from the computer/cloud to the digital transport (e.g. SBT) 2. Digital music transfer from the digital transport to the outboard DAC As far as the first part goes, I'm not in the position to comment, as I've never been in the position to play with it to see if there is a possibility for me to learn some craft. I have a tendency to think that this part don't really matter, but then what do I know? I remain completely open to be corrected on this. As for the second part, I think there must be some science to it. Once TCP packets reach their intended destination -- the digital transport box (SBT), they are to be declared as a faithful (to its source) series of ones and zeros. Weak electrical signals that travel across the wire or through the air are now to be declared as an 'etched in stone' signal. How much variability could be introduced by noisy processes at this point? What are the odds that a particular sequence of ones and zeros may get misinterpreted, if even slightly? And if so, what impact could such variability have on the overall health of the signal? These are the questions that leave me in the dark. In other words, I'm clueless. I'm pretty certain that careful scientific investigation could shed some light on these, but I'm not aware of any conclusive research. That is, unless I acknowledge the lackadaisical and arrogant shrill claims that nothing, absolutely nothing could go wrong whenever and wherever ones and zeros are involved. Seems like a fairly fundamentalist, extremist approach, but let the sleeping dogs lie. On to the craft aspect of digital music transfer (from SBT to DAC): despite the fact that understanding how these things work are to me akin to attempting to assemble IKEA furniture in a dark room, that does not preclude me from actually having a go at it. It's my money, it's my unassembled furniture, so I'm now going to enter the pitch black room armed with some tools and touch-and-feel my way around the furniture parts lying around. I'm not breaking any laws, bylaws or regulations by doing that. So what I do is start changing things around. I ssh into the Touch, apply soundcheck's mods, then on top of that create many different 'profiles' that have been over the past few months offered by Dynobot and SBGK, and then try them out, one by one. Sit down and listen, try to discern if I hear any differences, and if so, which 'profile' sounds better to my ears. This is where craft kicks in. Same as when I'm crafting my own beer, I don't understand the first thing about the science behind the process of beer brewing, and still, despite that glaring lack of requisite qualification and knowledge, I stand a chance of producing a good bottle of beer. In the end, by being open to trying out various things without insisting upfront on having proper qualifications, proper pedigree and proper understanding as to why do things work the way they work, and by applying my craft of listening carefully to the end result, I arrive at the most (for me) optimal configuration. Again, I'm not breaking any laws, I'm not violating any regulations, I'm not swindling anyone out of their money. Just enjoying my hobby. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697886 Wrote: > Absolutely fine. As the artist, you are at liberty to do whatever you > like, however you want to do it. This is, quite properly, entirely in > the domain of artistic choice and personal preference. > > Of course, professional quality measurement and analysis tools would > tip the balance back towards science, but maybe I should have framed > the question more narrowly - "Digital music transfer - science or > craft?" Absolutely science...and very simple science too. No element of craft here. Where the lines get blurred, indeed the ONLY way in which they can get blurred, is the fact that with the exception of wireless connections there is the possibility of electrical noise entering alongside the data. this noise will not in any way change the data but may cause problems in downstream analogue circuits starting at the S/pdif receiver chip. Tne proof of this lies in the effect of these so-called server-side tweaks on systems using wi-fi ethernet... I have yet to hear anyone say anything about that combination... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jeff Flowerday;697871 Wrote: > Actually, Phil mentioning that he measured a small difference on the > analog outs of the Touch with and without TT 3.0 > > If that small difference relates to an audible difference is another > debate. This is correct. There was definitely a difference on the analogue outs. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;697823 Wrote: > I'm a musician and I also do recordings of my band in my home studio, > which I then mix down and master. In doing that, I rely on my craft. > Yes, this craft is based on certain scientific principles and facts, > such as the knowledge and understanding of the frequency ranges of > various instruments, the higher order harmonics, and such. But that's > just the starting point -- once the science reaches its limit, I'm > forced to switch to doing craft. This is similar to making your own > beer at home -- you begin with certain laboratory-like preparations, > control the temperature and so on, but then there comes a point where > individual, personal touch takes over and you create your own brand of > beer that defies scientific rigour. > > When recording my band, I tend to fiddle a lot with microphone > placement. My ears are telling me that microphone placement has huge > impact on how are the recorded instruments/vocals going to sound. Also, > I fiddle a lot with recording levels. Finally, when the recording is > done, I turn on my mixing console and do a lot of editing, scooping > out, compressing, limiting etc. in order to achieve that ever-elusive > ear-pleasing final mix. I then master the track, and give it to my band > members. > > All that is pretty much hinging off my ability to practice and perfect > my craft. I am not a sound scientist, I'm a sound craftsman. > Absolutely fine. As the artist, you are at liberty to do whatever you like, however you want to do it. This is, quite properly, entirely in the domain of artistic choice and personal preference. magiccarpetride;697823 Wrote: > > Same goes for me setting up my music reproduction system. I fiddle a > lot with speaker positioning, and test various placements with my ears. > Do I like how the speakers sound if I place them over there? What if I > toe them in under a sharper angle? What if I place this plant behind > the speaker, all the way in the corner? > > So you see, very little science goes into this twiddling, it's mostly > craft and my ability to carefully listen that determines how is my hi > fi going to be set up. No big mystery here. Of course, professional quality measurement and analysis tools would tip the balance back towards science, but maybe I should have framed the question more narrowly - "Digital music transfer - science or craft?" -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
rgro;697625 Wrote: > Darrell---A respectful disagreement, in my book, should always be, > itself, respected. > > However, while I'm quite lazy and loathe to go back through all 185 > pages of postings, I cannot really recall that anyone here has made a > claim of any of these mods being science (to be sure, there have been > claims of differences heard--an opinion). There have been plenty of > claims that the mods are not. > > To wit: A number of folks claim that some of these mods, to their own > ears, make their music sound different/better. A number of other > people have said that until there is scientific proof (i.e. double > blind testing, etc.) that, as a result of these mods, their music > sounds better/different, these claims of improvements are simply a > matter of opinion and not fact. > > What several posters have been saying is why not just leave it at that? > Most people who feel that they do hear a positive change seem quite > content to leave it at that. > The crux of the matter is that there is no room for a subjective opinion as to the mechanism by which packets of data are transmitted from a server and received by a Squeezebox, and then converted to a (bit perfect) LPCM bitstream. (Let's leave digital to analogue conversion out of this, as some people use the SB DAC, some don't.) It is a simple matter of science-based engineering. Therefore, those who maintain that there is benefit in intervening in this mechanism are, unavoidably, arguing in the arena of science and engineering. They may not *say* that they are making scientific claims, or even *know* they are making scientific claims, but that doesn't alter the *fact* that they are. rgro;697625 Wrote: > > Nobody here is forcing anyone to make these mods, attempting to portray > then in any other light other than what they are---basically "fiddling > around", nor attempting to charge exorbitant prices to convince you > that these mods are "the next big thing" in audio. So why not just > leave these poor sods to live happily in their unproven world of > Soundcheck's mods? > > My recollection is that people like SBGK, Soundcheck, Magiccarpetride, > GuidoF, etc. have simply come here and stated that they hear something > different. As I also recall, the overarching comments have been "try > them---if they don't make any difference, reverse them". Again, no > harm, no foul. I will grant that some of the claims have contained > some hyberbole, as have some of the counterclaims--both sides are > guilty. > Of course, it is not necessary to accept or even understand the scientific facts before one messes around with the configuration of either one's server or one's Squeezebox. Neither is is necessary to understand anything before publishing one's tinkerings and making claims as to their effect, on a public forum. But if one insists on advocating an unscientific (or even anti-scientific) approach to an intrinsically scientific question, in a public place, one must expect to be challenged, and specifically, be challenged to justify the claims in a scientific manner. It would do a great disservice to those browsers of the forum, now and in the future, if we failed to "call bullshit", as others have put it. And the "matter of opinion/taste" defence is not valid - subjectivism is meaningless when discussing things which are unavoidably objective and scientific. rgro;697625 Wrote: > > I personally find the server, TCP/IP stuff, and cable tweaks out of my > "comfort zone" and have no interest in trying them, so I won't. But I > certainly don't begrudge nor wish to attempt to muzzle those who > will--as long as what is being said is said civilly and with respect to > those who have a different point of view. > At least one of the protagonists of the anti-scientific approach, in this and other threads, has the habit of making crude and insulting remarks, and then deleting them, which distorts the picture for those looking back through the previous posts. rgro;697625 Wrote: > > And, to Darrell: While I agree with some of what you said about not > all opinions being equally valid, please tell me how our liking the > qualities of one sound over another is NOT opinion. Some aspects of > this are measurable, to be sure, but whether or not we LIKE, or > prefer, the sound quality of one speaker/amplifier/dac/soundcheck mod > over another is surely ONLY a matter of our personal opinion no matter > what the devices measure, empirically. And because those are opinions > of individual preference, like food, wine, composers, bands, etc., most > of those sorts of opinions are, indeed, valid. > Absolutely not! This is about hifi - high fidelity - not about personal preference. Within this, though, we must accept that loudspeakers are necessarily so compromised in their ability to "speak the truth" in terms of high fidelity, that matters of taste become valid and important. It is arguable, I think, whether matters of taste
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
TheOctavist;696594 Wrote: > it is the rebecca pigeon.. let me know if you want it, and the test > tones. Rebecca Pidgeon's sounds alright to me, so I think I am about there. Thanks. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
PasTim;697814 Wrote: > Some people can quote latin, but have no manners. Being rude is not > clever. > > It seems to me that many naysayers are more strident than those saying > 'give this a try'. I can't understand why people feel so strongly > about it. > > Personally I think it quite unlikely that any of these tweaks can have > a noticeable effect. However, since no one has proved any of this one > way or the other by proper scientific experiment, beyond any doubt, I'm > content to let people play around and report on it as they see fit. > Others are free to criticise, but why get so personal about it? > > I'm getting off this thread (not for the first time). > > Enjoy. Actually, Phil mentioning that he measured a small difference on the analog outs of the Touch with and without TT 3.0 If that small difference relates to an audible difference is another debate. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hi Res
Another solution is to try a few of the various third party "music library" front ends that are available. Moose: "Moose is an advanced Windows frontend client for controlling and providing information about units connected to Logitech's Squeezebox Server." (http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/) Moose is very fast and can handle very large music libraries with ease. My music library has over 260,000 tracks with over 19,000 albums and 11,000 artists and moose handles it quite nicely. MUSO: "What is muso? Muso acts as both a centralised information repository for your music collection, and an intuitive graphical user interface to allow you to browse your albums, tag them, filter them, and sort them in various flexible ways. Muso provides an alternative front end to your music player and allows you to experience a more meaningful interaction with your music collection." http://klarita.net/muso.html While muso is not intended to replace the standard SBS/LMS front end it does offer basic player controls. Muso strong points it's nice graphical display along with information gathered from several online sources. In addition there are several different apps available for various smart phone and tablets which work quite nicely as remote controls and displays. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels -> Snatch -> The Transporter -> Transporter 2 (oops) -> Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94261 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
touchup;697811 Wrote: > I decided to apply soundcheck's Touch Toolbox thinking that its third > iteration would be something worthwhile. Being the happy owner of a > pair of fine and very revealing full range electrostatic speakers > (Audiostatic DCM5)I could not imagine that the simple Touch could be an > audiophile component in its own right. But it can, if and only if you > take care of a few things: > > forget 16/44.1 FLAC, use only WAV. I know, it's controversial but I can > hear the difference every time and it's not subtle. It makes the > difference in SQ with high resolution FLACs trivial if you have a good > recording to begin with. > > use the Meicord Opal patchcables recommended by soundcheck. And yes, > they are directional. Again, controversial, but easy to try. > > use Touch Toolbox 3.0 with the standard settings, including tt -w en tt > -v. > In order to use tt -w you need a range extender if you don't have an > ethernet cable connection to the Touch. > > use a linear power supply like the one recommended bij soundcheck. Give > it a few weeks to settle. > > use a good DAC with a good SPDIF cable. I've had great results with the > humble Musical Fidelity V-DAC II. I have the standard power supply > connected to a PS audio Quintet. > > Now try something similar with your own setup en tell me that this is > not the best sound you have ever heard in your room. > > best regards and kudo's to soundcheck This is exactly my experience. After testing different configurations now i am using SBT with diy power supply with Super Teddyreg, all files are converted to wav, media server is running on a powerfull W7 notebook (i started with a nice QNAP NAS), using high quality network cables, small Cisco switch is dedicated only for streaming between SBT and LMS, all Soundcheck TT 3.0 tweaks are applied and i have built probably one of the best available dacs - Buffalo II. I have a decent valve/solid state system and i can hear the smallest difference in sound quality. Good hifi system is a chain and EACH component is influencing the sound quality. :) :) :) -- praganj praganj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
LOL! Like you I don't do ignore lists. But I can ignore you the old-fashioned way if you want? PS: Reflecting your concern for the wider community, I am not quoting your posts - so they have to guess your half of the conversation! They may even un-ignore you through curiosity. Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
$100 to avoid your expertise? Yep, give me your paypal address & I'll send an invoice -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
darrenyeats;697831 Wrote: > MCR, > If you change, it shouldn't be simply to please others. But equally > no-one has to like or even listen to what you have to say. That's life > I guess. > Darren > > Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk Please put me on your ignore list. Is that too much to ask? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
MCR, If you change, it shouldn't be simply to please others. But equally no-one has to like or even listen to what you have to say. That's life I guess. Darren Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pandasharka;697815 Wrote: > Hands up. I spent far too much life arguing with some of the > propellorheads on this thread, I wont mention names, but a couple of > them just got released from the cooler. > > I've switched off all the TT3.0 mods weeks ago and am enjoying vanilla > SBT - probably more because I was getting distortion from my tweeters > when listening to the radio with the mods applied. > > Despite people on here suggesting that a £150 SBT sounds exactly the > same as a Linn or equivalent, I've had my fun with this little bargain > piece of kit, time to try something else. > > Many thanks for the (magicarpet)ride. Empty promises. Here's $100 that you'll not leave this thread! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;697629 Wrote: > OK, so you assuming that you too agree with that, please expand. "Music > reproduction - science or craft?" it could be an interesting > discussion. I'm a musician and I also do recordings of my band in my home studio, which I then mix down and master. In doing that, I rely on my craft. Yes, this craft is based on certain scientific principles and facts, such as the knowledge and understanding of the frequency ranges of various instruments, the higher order harmonics, and such. But that's just the starting point -- once the science reaches its limit, I'm forced to switch to doing craft. This is similar to making your own beer at home -- you begin with certain laboratory-like preparations, control the temperature and so on, but then there comes a point where individual, personal touch takes over and you create your own brand of beer that defies scientific rigour. When recording my band, I tend to fiddle a lot with microphone placement. My ears are telling me that microphone placement has huge impact on how are the recorded instruments/vocals going to sound. Also, I fiddle a lot with recording levels. Finally, when the recording is done, I turn on my mixing console and do a lot of editing, scooping out, compressing, limiting etc. in order to achieve that ever-elusive ear-pleasing final mix. I then master the track, and give it to my band members. All that is pretty much hinging off my ability to practice and perfect my craft. I am not a sound scientist, I'm a sound craftsman. Same goes for me setting up my music reproduction system. I fiddle a lot with speaker positioning, and test various placements with my ears. Do I like how the speakers sound if I place them over there? What if I toe them in under a sharper angle? What if I place this plant behind the speaker, all the way in the corner? So you see, very little science goes into this twiddling, it's mostly craft and my ability to carefully listen that determines how is my hi fi going to be set up. No big mystery here. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
Perhaps the Logitech mods might want to monitor those who have recently been let out and what they are posting very closely. Further, start to charge for space on their expensive servers, per post, that add zip to anything to do with the listening experience of their customers. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
RGibran;697721 Wrote: > I'm just sittin' here watchin' the wheels go round and round > > I really love to watch them roll > > ~Lennon You can quote Lenin as much as you like, but there's no free ride. This is capitalism, baby! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hands up. I spent far too much life arguing with some of the propellorheads on this thread, I wont mention names, but a couple of them just got released from the cooler. I've switched off all the TT3.0 mods weeks ago and am enjoying vanilla SBT - probably more because I was getting distortion from my tweeters when listening to the radio with the mods applied. Despite people on here suggesting that a £150 SBT sounds exactly the same as a Linn or equivalent, I've had my fun with this little bargain piece of kit, time to try something else. Many thanks for the (magicarpet)ride. -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Some people can quote latin, but have no manners. Being rude is not clever. It seems to me that many naysayers are more strident than those saying 'give this a try'. I can't understand why people feel so strongly about it. Personally I think it quite unlikely that any of these tweaks can have a noticeable effect. However, since no one has proved any of this one way or the other by proper scientific experiment, beyond any doubt, I'm content to let people play around and report on it as they see fit. Others are free to criticise, but why get so personal about it? I'm getting off this thread (not for the first time). Enjoy. -- PasTim VortexBox Midi, FLACs 16 or 24 bit. Touch on Ethernet (in another room). Analogue out over 'a bit of wire' to ageing Quad Hi-Fi. Old wireless laptop controls the server using Chrome. Squeezeplay on PCs in other rooms. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I decided to apply soundcheck's Touch Toolbox thinking that its third iteration would be something worthwhile. Being the happy owner of a pair of fine and very revealing full range electrostatic speakers (Audiostatic DCM5)I could not imagine that the simple Touch could be an audiophile component in its own right. But it can, if and only if you take care of a few things: forget 16/44.1 FLAC, use only WAV. I know, it's controversial but I can hear the difference every time and it's not subtle. It makes the difference in SQ with high resolution FLACs trivial if you have a good recording to begin with. use the Meicord Opal patchcables recommended by soundcheck. And yes, they are directional. Again, controversial, but easy to try. use Touch Toolbox 3.0 with the standard settings, including tt -w en tt -v. In order to use tt -w you need a range extender if you don't have an ethernet cable connection to the Touch. use a linear power supply like the one recommended bij soundcheck. Give it a few weeks to settle. use a good DAC with a good SPDIF cable. I've had great results with the humble Musical Fidelity V-DAC II. I have the standard power supply connected to a PS audio Quintet. Now try something similar with your own setup en tell me that this is not the best sound you have ever heard in your room. best regards and kudo's to soundcheck -- touchup touchup's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55167 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
Mnyb;697775 Wrote: > You may not need to manually reconnect , just wait longer it will > usually find the server, but if you touch it you have to reconnect > manually ? Good point, I just get impatient and do it manually. Of course I can use the remote at this step. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
Being of an extremely (some may even say pathologically extreme) open mind, I tend to go through life creating enemies left, right and centre. I speak my mind openly, and wouldn't you know it, there's never shortage of feeble minded people who find plenty of reasons to be deeply offended by such openness. Because of that, I tend to often receive messages from others claiming how they cannot stand me and thank god for the ignore lists and how they're putting me on their ignore list. Great, I'm very happy for them. But then those same people keep coming back and getting extremely agitated about my posts. Well, what's the case here, haven't they already put me on their ignore list? Do these lists even work? Like, if I put someone on the ignore list, I'd expect never to see their posts (btw, I've never placed anyone on my ignore list for the simple reason that I'm always interested in hearing others' opinion, no matter who they may be; that's the reason why I'm not sure if those lists work, since i've never tried them myself). So what's the deal here -- my question to the administrators is: do these ignore lists ever work? If they don't, can we please do something to make them more efficient, and in that way spare the poor over-excitable souls from having to read my material! -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
You may not need to manually reconnect , just wait longer it will usually find the server, but if you touch it you have to reconnect manually ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
Soulkeeper;697731 Wrote: > Try it. The Transporter SE is knobless and otherwise identical, so I > reckon the firmware knows how to handle the lack of a knob. But but but... it's a $1000 knob! LOL. Next time I hear it (probably tonight), I will likely pop the top. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
Try it. The Transporter SE is knobless and otherwise identical, so I reckon the firmware knows how to handle the lack of a knob. -- Soulkeeper Noise < Music < Silence Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
garym;697726 Wrote: > not sure. I've had my TP for maybe 3 years and never heard the degauss > at all. Then again, I've probably used the knob 2 or 3 times maximum in > that 3 years. I control the TP from other sources I only use the knob when I have to reconnect to server after a power reset. I would happily consider disconnecting the knob! I wonder if unplugging from its board would throw an error code? -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
SamS;697725 Wrote: > Thanks. I have tried that before, it seems to work for a few days. Not > sure what triggers the degauss to go into overload, but it is > ridiculous. > > I unplugged the TP for a bit, and that has cured it for now. Next stop > is another xlinx reset. not sure. I've had my TP for maybe 3 years and never heard the degauss at all. Then again, I've probably used the knob 2 or 3 times maximum in that 3 years. I control the TP from other sources -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
garym;697711 Wrote: > hmmm, not sure this will work, but can't hurt to do a xlinx reset. > remove power to TP, point remote at TB while pressing the "1" key and > at the same time restore power to TP. You'll see the screen say > something about xlinx reset then you can quit pressing the "1" key. Thanks. I have tried that before, it seems to work for a few days. Not sure what triggers the degauss to go into overload, but it is ridiculous. I unplugged the TP for a bit, and that has cured it for now. Next stop is another xlinx reset. -- SamS SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I'm just sittin' here watchin' the wheels go round and round I really love to watch them roll ~Lennon -- RGibran RGibran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10220 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Noise
SamS;697631 Wrote: > Please, someone tell me how to fix/reset this. My TP makes this noise > every 3 seconds and it's driving me nuts. hmmm, not sure this will work, but can't hurt to do a xlinx reset. remove power to TP, point remote at TB while pressing the "1" key and at the same time restore power to TP. You'll see the screen say something about xlinx reset then you can quit pressing the "1" key. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72006 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
adamdea;697694 Wrote: > > The problem with intervening in this miasma of nonsense is not that it > is interrupting a civilized discussion or that de gustibus non est > disputandum; the real problem is that it is pointless to interrupt a > mad tramp on park bench having an argument with himself. Exactly... -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) > LMS 7.7.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) > LMS 7.7.1 > SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;697585 Wrote: > There is nothing false or true here. It's like saying Beethoven is > better than Mozart -- false or true? > > No it isn't. The issue is not about aesthetic judgments of works of art. The point is that these changes make no difference at all: no discernible difference to the output from the SBT/DAC. The problem with intervening in this miasma of nonsense is not that it is interrupting a civilized discussion or that de gustibus non est disputandum; the real problem is that it is pointless to interrupt a mad tramp on park bench having an argument with himself. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
