Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
dhallag wrote: > > - I'm running LMS on my QNAP NAS. That was my first change. Since I > did that, everything seems to move faster -- the GUI on the Duet > controller and Touch. Plus the songs load faster so I love this change. > It's got a 1.6Ghz CPU with 512DDRIII so I believe that is powerful > enough, yes? > Looking at the QNAP site, it looks like the typical processor they use is something along the lines of Marvell's Feroceon 88F6282 at 1.6 GHz. This is a single core ARM processor. To get a speed comparison, if you look at the Linux BogoMips rating, this processor gets something like 1600. This is equivalent to about a Celeron M @800MHz. As you can imagine, that's not a high level of performance. Good to hear that 24/192 transcoding to the Touch worked ok through the powerline though which is good. However, it looks like there's not much extra headroom for simultaneous streams. You could also try taking out the Receiver and use SqueezePlay on the computer as a "simulation" of a second Touch to check for dropouts. Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
My car plays in the order the songs are recorded. It has a multidisc CD/MP3 player so I am careful to burn discs with albums/songs in the order I expect to hear them in. The only other option I have is to set playback to random. 2 Duets - 1 for upstairs and 1 for downstairs Rock Solid with LMS 7.8.0 and WHS 2011 w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
jimbobvfr400 wrote: > Well my Sony unit displays the number on the filename but ignores them > for play order, even windows doesn't necessarily copy in the right > order, I ended up using a small piece of software called copy in order, > which was specifically made with that in mind. > > Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Wow :D interesting , http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Copy-In-Order-Download-208798.html Copy in order I'll remember that one .my MP3 player atleast respect alphabetical,order Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
dhallag wrote: > Yes I do know about the receiver. And I see that both the receiver and > touch are converting it down to match the lowest common denominator of > the receiver. Another reason to get it replaced. And I would imagine > that the additional processing it's doing to do that conversion down > taxes the system and is leading to the lower transfer rates. Only way > to tell for sure is the get the touch and compare. > > I used to have LMS on a real computer; but it was wireless as well as I > really can't place a wired computer to the router. I still have it > setup with the same version of LMS on it so I can try that to see if it > works better. > > My hires files are FLAC; are you saying that I should really rip and > purchase in WAV? No no stick with flac , flac is way much better in preserving metadata and uses half the bandwith when streaming :) and technically it's not the reciever or touch that does the converting it's the server . The idea was to test if the NAS gets CPU bound by the conversion . And also some people stream flac as wav ! ( yes the server can be set up to do that ) Don't do that it uses more bandwith and CPU cycles for nothing . There are "advice" floating around that you should do that but it's nonsense . OT . If there is a 24/192 or 24/96 version of a recording I get the 24/96 one . That's simplifies things too . My two main players are Touches transcoding rarely takes place and I you save money as they usually charge more for 24/192 usually for nothing . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
It might be worth trying moving them both to a temporary location where you can try the cable for both. I'd say its likely either the server not keeping up, or the connection. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
Well my Sony unit displays the number on the filename but ignores them for play order, even windows doesn't necessarily copy in the right order, I ended up using a small piece of software called copy in order, which was specifically made with that in mind. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
Mnyb wrote: > You are aware of that reciever is limited to 24/48 the server is > transcoding anything else . > > Touch is limited to 24/96 natively ,can be extended to 24/192 with the > EDO app if you wish . > Otherwise the server would transcode 24/192 files to 24/96 . > > If you sync both player ps transcoding will be done at 24/48 . > > Have you for kicks just tried LMS on a real computer vs NAS . I do think > your new NAS is a big improvement but wonders about its transcoding > abilities ? > What kind of CPU x86 or some kind of arm . > > Have a look at your file types setup , there could be some trade offs > done here . > > What kind of hirez files are you playing flac or wav or alac .that also > a affects the transcoding . > > Also have a look at what the send out stream would be it should default > at flac as it conserves bandwith , but in some cases PCM (wav) could > conserve CPU cycles . Yes I do know about the receiver. And I see that both the receiver and touch are converting it down to match the lowest common denominator of the receiver. Another reason to get it replaced. And I would imagine that the additional processing it's doing to do that conversion down taxes the system and is leading to the lower transfer rates. Only way to tell for sure is the get the touch and compare. I used to have LMS on a real computer; but it was wireless as well as I really can't place a wired computer to the router. I still have it setup with the same version of LMS on it so I can try that to see if it works better. My hires files are FLAC; are you saying that I should really rip and purchase in WAV? dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
You are aware of that reciever is limited to 24/48 the server is transcoding anything else . Touch is limited to 24/96 natively ,can be extended to 24/192 with the EDO app if you wish . Otherwise the server would transcode 24/192 files to 24/96 . If you sync both player ps transcoding will be done at 24/48 . Have you for kicks just tried LMS on a real computer vs NAS . I do think your new NAS is a big improvement but wonders about its transcoding abilities ? What kind of CPU x86 or some kind of arm . Have a look at your file types setup , there could be some trade offs done here . What kind of hirez files are you playing flac or wav or alac .that also a affects the transcoding . Also have a look at what the send out stream would be it should default at flac as it conserves bandwith , but in some cases PCM (wav) could conserve CPU cycles . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
Archimago wrote: > Yes, looks like the Receiver is your weak link... Some good discussion > and suggestions already. > > However I am curious about the drop outs you speak of. What computer are > you using to run LMS on? Is it too slow to do the real-time conversion > of hi-res files thus causing the drop outs? Are you running wireless / > wired? Great questions: - I'm running LMS on my QNAP NAS. That was my first change. Since I did that, everything seems to move faster -- the GUI on the Duet controller and Touch. Plus the songs load faster so I love this change. It's got a 1.6Ghz CPU with 512DDRIII so I believe that is powerful enough, yes? - When I take out the Receiver and just do the touch wireless, I get no dropouts on 92/24. However, in that same scenario, when I moved to the 192/24 files, I did get dropouts. So I just purchased a powerline solution from netgear and now no dropouts to the touch on 192/24. And with the powerline attached to the receiver and wireless to touch (again running 96/24), I'm still getting dropouts but far less than originally when it was all wireless. So frustrating. So an interesting observation: when I had the powerline to the touch, I would consistently get a wired connection each way of about 50Mbps. However, with the powerline to the receiver in the exact same spot, I'm getting 18/19 from the router to the receiver and about 38Mpbs from the receiver to the router. Regardless, I'm getting a touch. F the receiver. dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
jimbobvfr400 wrote: > I'd say it depends on the head unit. In my experience most of them I've > had have had some sort or weird limit or idiosyncratic behaviour. > > I've had a few USB capable aftermarket ones in various motors. A > surprisingly large proportion have read the tags OK, but playback the > tracks in whatever order they were copied to the stick, most > infuriating, or have limits on either the number of folders or levels of > folder they can cope with. > > Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk Yes you browse to and start to play a folder but sees the tag on the display . That's when file names with track numbers in front actually become usefull , since I got squeezeboxes and LMS software I don't preceded file names with track number anymoore but the practice have it uses with more primitive equipment . Like my own cowon MP3 player ( been in a drawer a long time now ) that's do play flac but can only handle mp3 tags ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
I'd say it depends on the head unit. In my experience most of them I've had have had some sort or weird limit or idiosyncratic behaviour. I've had a few USB capable aftermarket ones in various motors. A surprisingly large proportion have read the tags OK, but playback the tracks in whatever order they were copied to the stick, most infuriating, or have limits on either the number of folders or levels of folder they can cope with. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
Fahzz wrote: > Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. I knew I could count on > the illustrious members of this group for information. It appears that I > have run into the folder limitation problem. I understand that I have to > reduce the number of folders under some magic number, but I have > questions. > > If I reduced the number of artist folders less than the magic number, > and insert each track by that artist into the artist folder, without > using separate album subfolders, that this should solve my problem. i.e. > If I have 500 artist folders with 22 to 30 each I should be okay? > > Or can I just dump 500 tracks each into 10 folders?This would be the > easiest way to get this accomplished. > > My guess is that since the tag information is already in the tracks I > don't have to worry about album designation, and I only listen to the > music on random play anyway. The head unit in the car is extremely > primitive in this respect. > > Thanks again! Does it recognise the tags while browsing or does it just see the file names ? I are you in reality browsing albums or folders from the head unit ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
Thanks to everyone that replied to my question. I knew I could count on the illustrious members of this group for information. It appears that I have run into the folder limitation problem. I understand that I have to reduce the number of folders under some magic number, but I have questions. If I reduced the number of artist folders less than the magic number, and insert each track by that artist into the artist folder, without using separate album subfolders, that this should solve my problem. i.e. If I have 500 artist folders with 22 to 30 each I should be okay? Or can I just dump 500 tracks each into 10 folders?This would be the easiest way to get this accomplished. My guess is that since the tag information is already in the tracks I don't have to worry about album designation, and I only listen to the music on random play anyway. The head unit in the car is extremely primitive in this respect. Thanks again! Living Room: Duet, Adcom GFA 545II, Adcom GFP 555II, Polk SDA 2B Dining Room: Paradigm Atom Monitor v.5 Bedroom: SB3, Pioneer VSX 5700S,Pinnacle PN 5+, M&K VX-7 Subwoofer Anywhere Else As Needed: Boom Router: Asus RT-N56U Server: LMS Version 7.8.0, Acer Aspire Laptop (Wired...Finally), Windows 7 Home Fahzz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
I've read on here that the internal WiFi antennas on a duet receiver aren't in the best place. This thread describes the problem and solution. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100887 Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk jimbobvfr400's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worth reading
Good work. Looks like your troll bagged the two biggest fish in the pond straight off. I wish I had even half that much luck when I go angling for suckers, but the fish here aren't nearly as dumb. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need a little help from the experts...
dhallag wrote: > > With the advent of more sources offering 96/24 and 192/24 offerings > (HDTracks and Youngs new Pono music), I'm starting to have more music > that is at least 96/24. The Touch has no problem handing the 96/24 and > 192/24, but the SB receiver does --- it does play them, but I get a lot > of drop outs. Yes, looks like the Receiver is your weak link... Some good discussion and suggestions already. However I am curious about the drop outs you speak of. What computer are you using to run LMS on? Is it too slow to do the real-time conversion of hi-res files thus causing the drop outs? Are you running wireless / wired? Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worth reading
Nice! Interesting blog... Impressed that in the UK at least, there's some demand for accuracy and the UK Advertising Authority is calling on a ban of Sony's "stair stepped" ad :-) http://www.mcelhearn.com/sonys-web-content-claiming-high-resolution-music-sounds-better-than-cds-banned-in-uk-for-false-claims/ Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help! Should I move to another State?
Of course, the cannabis music enhancement protocol is really carbon-fuel based, so it's closely related to the use of coal as a superior medium for generation of suitable current for maximum musical enjoyment. r. LMS on a dedicated music server (FitPC2) Transporter (ethernet) - main music listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Duet (wifi) - home theatre 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (wifi) - workspace Boom 2 (wifi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (wifi) - home office Touch x 2 - awaiting deployment UE Radio - awaiting deployment Control - 2 Controllers (main listening, home theatre, all others), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2), Music2Touch (BB Playbook) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101279 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
I can only agree with others, car stereos are pretty useless at this. A few ideas: If you remove one of the working folders, are you then able to play folder #434? That would suggest a limit to number of files/folders. For LMS to work well tagging is essential, car stereos can be even more finicky, checked tags for the first non playing files? Any "odd characters" in file/folder name for the folder where is goes wrong. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Car stereo with USB stick- off-topic maybe?
My current and previous Cadillac DTS audio systems both used USB and both have the restriction of 255 files. Seems to be a rather common restriction. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
