Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > I never said it did. You're the one who brought up the issue of > acclimatization to dialect. Now you are abusing me and the discussion > again, by first introducing the irrelevant issue of acclimatization to > dialect. > Being serious for a moment .. I did bring up the dialect angle, yes, mainly because I read the papers you'd linked and thought they were not quite as complete an answer as you seem to think. I was also pointing out that speech intelligibility improves through exposure to *any* speech pattern over time, as a totally separate effect from an adaptation to the tonal balance or audio quality. I would agree that speech intelligibility could be a similar effect to the perception of detail in an audio system and see how this research is relevant to -that- aspect alone, but I don't think that's what most people report as being the main effects of "burn in", real or not. My reading of threads about burn-in, or even warm-up, on hifi equipment more often than not talk about "more bass" or "less bass", which if that were the only difference has really no impact on speech recognition capability. So, care to have a stab at a sensible reply? -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Apologies, I used the wrong word, I was thinking of pivoted arms. It has been rather a while since I indulged in the analogue thing. AFAICR, the tangential systems available in my day were rather pricey. I vaguely recall Bang & Olufson being heavily into the idea. But their stuff wasn't cheap either. So I do actually fully agree with wot Clive said, I just had a senior moment. Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
To stop myself from brooding on my imperfections, I'm now listening to Berg's Violin Concerto, dedicated "To the memory of an angel" who is generally identified as the daughter (who died at age 18) of Gustav Mahler's widow & Walter Gropius the Bauhaus architect bloke. I know that a lot of people don't care for the atonal stuff but I've always liked this particular piece. Needless to said, I'm getting less shrillness in the playback than I foolishly believe I've encountered on previous visitations. I must be a hopeless case... Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
garym wrote: > That's similar to why RAID is not a data backup solution. I DO have RAID AND a backup strategy, so I'm not stupid, just sub-optimal... Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Having your kidneys plumbed-in in parallel rather than in series seems > to me to be a clear case of sub-optimal design with regard to modern > lifestyles & medication regimes - they both fall over at the same time. > That just can't be right... > > Dave :confused: That's similar to why RAID is not a data backup solution. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Having your kidneys plumbed in in parallel rather than series seems to me to be a clear case on sub-optimal design with regard to modern lifestyles & medication regimes - they both fall over at the same time. That just can't be right... Dave :confused: Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
garym wrote: > no, Arny's summary was just a clearer way of saying what I was trying to > say regarding different connection methods. :cool: My gear's better than me! Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > It's beginning to dawn on me that I'm it... > > Dave :D no, Arny's summary was just a clearer way of saying what I was trying to say regarding different connection methods. :cool: *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
garym wrote: > well put! It's beginning to dawn on me that I'm it... Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > None is fatally flawed and all can work with sonic transparency with > common but merely competently designed equipment. well put! *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Vansloneker wrote: > This has become a long topic and it seems it has gone a bit off topic > too. If you think this one's off topic, check out the "Intona" one! That's visited the dawn of space-time & the unimaginably small size of an atom (at least in relation to our day-to-day perception of the world), some of which was admittedly my fault. Nobody can even tell me what an "Intona" thingy is! Dave :D Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Gary! > > As I've previously mentioned, I am currently using the AES digital > interface to connect my Transporter to my Mytek Brokkly DAC (due credit > to Wombat here) although I could use the s/pdif if I chose (I didn't > because that's the only digital output available on my TV, similarly my > Blu-ray player only has Toslink & the compact Brokkly only has one of > each. Plus a USB2 input which apparently supports up to 32bit/384kHz PCM > & also DSD256 were one able to locate any such source of known > provenance - obviously the Squeezebox line won't do any of this either - > and were it deemed possible that any audible sound quality improvement > could possibly result from so doing). I am however slaving the > Transporter to the Brokkly's word clock out (which it has been accepted > by me already was not put there with the expectation of a Transporter > being slaved to it, but rather for recording studio applications) which > should put the DAC firmly in control of the timing of any digital output > of my TP. > > In the absence of Mr Adams can anyone advise what particular detrimental > effect, if any, the stated design limitations of the AES specifications > are likely to cause with my set-up as just described. My personal > listening experience using the AES link has so far been wholly positive, > although I acknowledge that some members firmly state that this can only > be down to my own subjective expectations and that the Transporter > analogue XLR outputs (to which the design defects do not of course > apply) should sound audibly identical, when level-matched. I have been > unable to detect any audible strain placed upon any component in the > chain in my current set-up but could potentially ABX test the AES vs > s/pdif if anyone has a remaining objection. > > Am I not now simply passing a stream of 0's & 1's? I don't understand > what exactly is capable of going wrong (natural disasters, lightening > strike & other external factors excluded, of course, I've encountered > Murphy's Law before... ). What am I missing here? > > Dave :) Unfortunately I don't have enough technical expertise in the area to provide any answers to your questions. My uneducated belief, with no evidence, is that there is no connection method possible with the standard Transporter inputs and outputs that makes a bit of difference in the ultimate audio I'm hearing (assuming something is not broken of course). *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
garym wrote: > Correct. I was trying to find one of Sean's posts on this. Can't locate > the exact one I'm thinking of (that says the above), but here's some > examples: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486277&viewfull=1#post486277 > > Highly suspect on the grounds that other equal or superior authorities > say otherwise (i.e. standards groups) and no evidence or reason is given > for the exceptional claim. > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486501&viewfull=1#post486501 > > > > edit: I personally use s/pdif over BNC connector on my Transporter. The balanced connection over shielded twisted pair has the advantage of improved rejection of environmental noise as compared to unbalanced coax. However the basic digital signal that is common to all is very robust in actual use and reliable connections using wetted fingertips and cooked noodles have been reported. ;-) Over the years it has been common to find high end audio gear with obviously defective by design line receivers on their inputs, so just because one's favorite designer says something is no proof of anything. For example Toslink has the oblivious advantage of being free of a galvanic connection between the equipment so connected, yet it is judged inferior in one of the posts, again for no stated reason. Fact is that all three methodologies have their strong points that can be critical in some situations. None is fatally flawed and all can work with sonic transparency with common but merely competently designed equipment. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
garym wrote: > Correct. I was trying to find one of Sean's posts on this. Can't locate > the exact one I'm thinking of (that says the above), but here's some > examples: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486277&viewfull=1#post486277 > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486501&viewfull=1#post486501 > > edit: I personally use s/pdif over BNC connector on my Transporter. Hi Gary! As I've previously mentioned, I am currently using the AES digital interface to connect my Transporter to my Mytek Brokkly DAC (due credit to Wombat here) although I could use the s/pdif if I chose (I didn't because that's the only digital output available on my TV, similarly my Blu-ray player only has Toslink & the compact Brokkly only has one of each. Plus a USB2 input which apparently supports up to 32bit/384kHz PCM & also DSD256 were one able to locate any such source of known provenance - obviously the Squeezebox line won't do any of this either - and were it deemed possible that any audible sound quality improvement could possibly result from so doing). I am however slaving the Transporter to the Brokkly's word clock out (which it has been accepted by me already was not put there with the expectation of a Transporter being slaved to it, but rather for recording studio applications) which should put the DAC firmly in control of the timing of any digital output of my TP. In the absence of Mr Adams can anyone advise what particular detrimental effect, if any, the stated design limitations of the AES specifications are likely to cause with my set-up as just described. My personal listening experience using the AES link has so far been wholly positive, although I acknowledge that some members firmly state that this can only be down to my own subjective expectations and that the Transporter analogue XLR outputs (to which the design defects do not of course apply) should sound audibly identical, when level-matched. I have been unable to detect any audible strain placed upon any component in the chain in my current set-up but could potentially ABX test the AES vs s/pdif if anyone has a remaining objection. Am I not now simply passing a stream of 0's & 1's? I don't understand what exactly is capable of going wrong (natural disasters, lightening strike & other external factors excluded, of course, I've encountered Murphy's Law before... ). What am I missing here? Dave :) Golden Earring's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > Because I see the brains ability to discern speech as a separate > cognitive function from acclimatisation to audio reproduction, so wanted > you to explain why you brought up articles about the former to lend > support to a discussion on the latter. > You can visualize whatever erroneous and imaginary facts as you wish, Dr Matt, and I can choose not to follow them down the rabbit holes of your choosing. It is well known that sound can be too soft, too loud, too distorted, too high in pitch, too low in pitch, and too contaminated with noises and interfering signals to be recognized as anything but some random kind of noise. In those cases there is no useful cognition of any even slightly detailed intellectual or emotional information that might be transmitted. IOW, for most practical purposes, there is no useful cognition. The sound has to have some degree of technical purity to be recognized in any useful way. However it is known and I think has even been reported on this thread that acclimatization to some kinds of technical problems can help with recognition of sounds. Now you can deny those facts at the risk of proving my evaluation of your knowledge to be more correct than not. > > another pointless barb. > "Drmatt" It is true that attempting to stimulate you brain into thinking more clearly by inducing anger is rendered pointless by your apparent basic incapacitates related to thinking at all. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
cliveb wrote: > Tangential arms are in principle not a problem, because they are > supposed to *always* be perfectly aligned. > > It's pivoted arms that suffer from compromised geometry. But a properly > aligned pivoted arm should have zero tracking error at two points on an > LP side, with the maximum error about half way across. So the tracking > error at the end of a side isn't any more significant than at other > points. > It turns out that pivoted arms have a potentially audible secondary effect which is jitter or if you will let me be more technical: FM distortion. Journal of the Audlo ENGINEERING SOCIETY VOLUME 30 NUMBER 9 1982 SEPTEMBER Tonearm Geometry and Frequency-Modulation Distortion Jacob Rabinaw, Raymon Kilmanas "Investigated are the mechanisms by which a tonearm and cartridge system can generate frequency-modulation distortion during playback of phonograph records. Tonearm geometry is shown to influence the relative amount of distortion, and, in particular, tangential tracking designs are shown to be inherently less susceptible to horizontal mode distortion than conventional offset designs." AFAIK this paper never got much traction in the vinyl/audiophile community and there are very few tangential arms that are available for sale. I guess the rather massive inherent other sources of FM distortion overshadow it, in many people's minds. That would be Rabinaw as in Rabco. ;-) arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi doc! > > Not a medic myself, but I believe that some of the latest (=expensive, > need it buy it yourself... ) hearing aids have a pretty wide frequency > range if needed purely for amplification purposes. However there are > lots of different kinds of hearing impairment, so I would imagine the > precise nature of the actual hearing impairment would be critical in > determining the sufferer's ability to listen to music enjoyably. > > As an extreme example, I would offer severe tinnitus which apparently > can be so bad that another person located next to the sufferer can hear > the ringing for themselves! It's hard to see how one could listen > -through- that level of interference, although vinyl fans will > appreciate that with practice it is possible to some extent to listen > through the low amplitude constant surface noise which has a regular > frequency profile, and that the inevitable pops & crackles are partly > "tuned out" by the mechanism that Arny has already explained by which > our hearing is designed to reduce the impact of high amplitude but short > duration sounds so that we can detect the quiet sounds that might > indicate the presence of a real threat to our continued existence. One > can only hope that Natural Selection continues to regard this trait as > valuable for the benefit of future generations - otherwise they may not > be able to appreciate solo piano music as we do if I have understood > Arny's point correctly. > > So I should imagine that some hearing impairment sufferers can continue > to enjoy their music, whereas others would have to seek solace > elsewhere. > > As regards Glaswegians, I may have been unlucky insofar as the ones that > I have actually encountered didn't seem to have much interesting > conversation about them once I'd deciphered the dialect, and moreover > seemed to exhibit a somewhat bellicose approach to life, especially when > mullered which seemed also to be a regular condition. I am not casting > aspersions at ALL Glaswegians since I haven't met them all & I wouldn't > want to generalise. However given the limited amount of time now at my > disposal, I am not actively seeking to meet any more of them. This is > obviously not politically correct of me, but then some people don't like > Brummies such as myself either... > > Dave :) I'm not that type of doctor either.. :) I have no doubt that the hearing impaired enjoy music, which is after all almost entirely disconnected from this expensive hobby we all seem to have in common of buying overpriced electronics purely to achieve better technical reproduction of sound.. And even tinitus sufferers can get the SPL high enough with a sound system that they will forget the tinitus for a short while. There is lots of really good research going on into fixing these physiological problems that some people are cursed with, and I think the focus has rightly moved from working out what went wrong to working out pragmatic and practical methods to make things better. (Such as the frequency shift tricks mentioned above, and bone transmission methods, and so on.) My own experience of Glaswegians is more positive; but with the best will in the world even those that I know extremely well can't be easily understood unless I've spent a lot of time acclimatising in the very recent past.. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
cliveb wrote: > Not true. The AES/EBU standard was intoduced as a fudge so that studios > could use their existing stock of XLR cables for digital signals. > > Sean Adams (designer of the Transporter) has stated in the past that > SPDIF over BNC is the best option. Correct. I was trying to find one of Sean's posts on this. Can't locate the exact one I'm thinking of (that says the above), but here's some examples: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486277&viewfull=1#post486277 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?71464-SPDIF-is-evil&p=486501&viewfull=1#post486501 edit: I personally use s/pdif over BNC connector on my Transporter. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
arnyk wrote: > Why did you bring up acclimatization to dialect when the discussion was > about acclimatization to quality of audio reproduction? Because I see the brains ability to discern speech as a separate cognitive function from acclimatisation to audio reproduction, so wanted you to explain why you brought up articles about the former to lend support to a discussion on the latter. > > I think it was your usual malevolence towards science. another pointless barb. > > I take it that the instructional piece about experimental design was way > over your head. It's application to your situation is that one would > try to make dialect acclimatization factors irrelevant in any experiment > that tried to study acclimatization to different kinds or degrees of > flawed reproduction.[\quote] > > This was so bleeding obvious without having to read anything else that I > see no point in mentioning it further and as a result it becomes just > yet another patronising attempt to belittle. > > > > > > > IOW, if there are dialect problems, you repeat the experiment series > > several times so that dialect acclimatization averages out, or better > > still you use talkers and listeners that are pre-acclimatized, that is > > are familiar with or native users of any of the dialects that are > > involved. > > > > > > Duh, obviously. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Vansloneker wrote: > My two cents on the initial question External DAC on Transporter: best > output option > > 1st AES/EBU because it's the professional standard and more important > has balanced outputs. This minimizes loss on the connection. Not true. The AES/EBU standard was intoduced as a fudge so that studios could use their existing stock of XLR cables for digital signals. Sean Adams (designer of the Transporter) has stated in the past that SPDIF over BNC is the best option. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Golden Earring wrote: > There is of course also the problem of trying to control the correct > alignment of the stylus in the groove when using a tangential arm, the > effect of which is magnified as the radius of the groove reduces. Tangential arms are in principle not a problem, because they are supposed to *always* be perfectly aligned. It's pivoted arms that suffer from compromised geometry. But a properly aligned pivoted arm should have zero tracking error at two points on an LP side, with the maximum error about half way across. So the tracking error at the end of a side isn't any more significant than at other points. Golden Earring wrote: > I do know that it was common practice to use an advance monitoring head > to detect the amplitude of the next few bars of music, and to use this > to adjust the groove spacing dynamically as the master disc was cut: > this is why you can "see" the loud & quiet passages when you look almost > any large-scale classical music LP. Of course it's not just classical LPs; you can easily see the loud and quiet sections on any LP. Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
This has become a long topic and it seems it has gone a bit off topic too. My two cents on the initial question External DAC on Transporter: best output option 1st AES/EBU because it's the professional standard and more important has balanced outputs. This minimizes loss on the connection. 2nd Digital S/PDIF. S/PDIF is almost identical to AES/EBU. 3rd Optical S/PDIF. Optical has a smaller bandwidth as digital. Vansloneker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi doc! > > Not a medic myself, but I believe that some of the latest (=expensive, > need it buy it yourself... ) hearing aids have a pretty wide frequency > range if needed purely for amplification purposes. However there are > lots of different kinds of hearing impairment, so I would imagine the > precise nature of the actual hearing impairment would be critical in > determining the sufferer's ability to listen to music enjoyably. > > As an extreme example, I would offer severe tinnitus which apparently > can be so bad that another person located next to the sufferer can hear > the ringing for themselves! It's hard to see how one could listen > -through- that level of interference, although vinyl fans will > appreciate that with practice it is possible to some extent to listen > through the low amplitude constant surface noise which has a regular > frequency profile, and that the inevitable pops & crackles are partly > "tuned out" by the mechanism that Arny has already explained by which > our hearing is designed to reduce the impact of high amplitude but short > duration sounds so that we can detect the quiet sounds that might > indicate the presence of a real threat to our continued existence. One > can only hope that Natural Selection continues to regard this trait as > valuable for the benefit of future generations - otherwise they may not > be able to appreciate solo piano music as we do if I have understood > Arny's point correctly. > > So I should imagine that some hearing impairment sufferers can continue > to enjoy their music, whereas others would have to seek solace > elsewhere. > > Hearing impairment and a bad audio system share many things. For example a common form of hearing impairment is loss of high frequency response in the ear, and a common impairment of poor audio systems is loss of frequency response at the frequency response extremes. Another common impermanent is loss of hearing in dispersed narrower ranges which approximately corresponds to an audio system with rough frequency response. Many audio systems even high end ones have response notches in the upper bass and midrange. You mentioned Tinnitus and this corresponds to interfering sharp ringing resonance. standing wave in speakers and rooms. and also interfering signals in poor electronics It is known that if a system's performance imperfections are within a certain range, the ear can acclimatize to them and "Tune them out". Having good hearing enhances that ability. The acclimatization is persistent and may affect other things that we listen to shortly after listening to the system. There are also longer term effects that relate to expectations. Hearing aids are just miniature audio systems that are highly portable and tuned to address objective failures of the wearer's ears. Interestingly enough one of the world's largest manufacturers of miniature audio transducers for hearing aids is Knowles Research, and a lot of IEMs for high quality audio either use Knowles' components (which are also distributed through many regular electronics parts houses alongside teh resistors, capacitors, and chips) or clone them. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC on Transporter: best output option
drmatt wrote: > You should really give up teaching since as per usual you got personal > before answering the question. Is it too much to ask for you to just > answer the question without the abuse? > It surely is too much when your posts are so abusive. > > Once again, you miss my point, presumably because you are too busy > writing personal attacks to read and understand. > So you say when you are on the attack. > > When you listen to a heavy dialect it takes time to acclimatise, and > understanding comes slowly while you do so, but it has little to do with > the quality of audio reproduction. > OK, I covered that in my answer. > > So, great teacher of mine, how does the ability to acclimatise for > speech recognition translate to a tendency to acclimatise to audio > reproduction systems? > I never said it did. You're the one who brought up the issue of acclimatization to dialect. Now you are abusing me and the discussion again, by first introducing the irrelevant issue of acclimatization to dialect. Then you are abusing me because you now think it is irrelevant. Now, that's abuse! Or is it mere stupidity or being so trapped in your bogus viewpoint that you can't see the relevant facts? Can't you think straight and stick to a topic? You also abuse me by claiming that I didn't get your question when my reply shows that I did. Why did you bring up acclimatization to dialect when the discussion was about acclimatization to quality of audio reproduction? I think it was your usual malevolence towards science. I take it that the instructional piece about experimental design was way over your head. It's application to your situation is that one would try to make dialect acclimatization factors irrelevant in any experiment that tried to study acclimatization to different kinds or degrees of flawed reproduction. IOW, if there are dialect problems, you repeat the experiment series several times so that dialect acclimatization averages out, or better still you use talkers and listeners that are pre-acclimatized, that is are familiar with or native users of any of the dialects that are involved. In the US dialects seem to cover far larger geographic areas than Europe, so finding speakers and listeners that are native speakers and therefore native listeners of the same dialect is usually pretty easy. There may be a hidden problem as some Americans jump back and forth between two dialects, and for example use one dialect at work and the other in the home and neighborhood. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
Golden Earring wrote: > Hi Arny! > 2. Why do CD's, DVD's & Blu-Ray discs play from the inner available > radius outwards With certain niche consumer groups messing with the outer edge using magic markers, lathes and whatnot it reduces the likelihood that they would actually affect the output in any way if the CD is filled from center and outwards. After all, most CDs aren't pushing the 74 min limit. On a slightly more serious note, a lot was made of the ruggedness of the CD when it was introduced, and I suspect the outer edge is more likely to suffer different problems, be it during production or through careless handling by the consumer. Using the inner part first, a mildly compromised disks will still function properly. I remember buying a compilation CD that was filled to the edge, when played the last few minutes was filled with drops and pops, and when I got it replaced it was the same. On closer inspection there were minute cracks along the outer edge. I wouldn't hazard a guess as to how these had developed, but it must have happened during manufacturing or packing. Had total playing time been five minutes shorter I'd never have noticed. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
