[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] For Sale: Complete Inguz EQ setup
Mods please delete this thread if for-sale ads are inappropriate. For Sale is everything you need to begin Inguz EQing your system: 1. Lexicon Omega Desktop Recording Studio: Used 4-5 times total, excellent condition and includes all original packaging/accessories. 2. 6 Foot Microphone XLR Cable from www.bluejeanscables.com 3. Behringer ECM8000 Condenser Microphone: Again, only used 4-5 times, excellent condition Looking for $218 (including shipping for continental USA) via Paypal. Please PM me if interested. Thanks. -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40194 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz DRC - I must be doing something wrong...
SoftwireEngineer;197578 Wrote: > Hi CFP, > I am happy to see another SB3+Panny owner with a good set of speakers. > I am bi-amping Silverline Sonatinas with the Panny XR55. I have digital > mods on my SB3+a modded Elpac. I am trying to use the inguz equalizer > first, but I dont think it is really working. I posted about this in > another thread. If anybody can provide some pointers on this that would > be great. I must be doing something very silly or have ignored some > important instructions. > (BTW, share your thoughts on digital driving the Panny into good > speakers) I'm bi-amping (actually tri-amping) my speakers as well, although I can't say definitively I notice much of a difference, if any at all. I too am using an Elpac (although not modded) but again, I can't say if there's really a difference or not. The Panny is incredible, and I definitely have no complaints. The sound is remarkably clean, and the all-digital chain is very appealing from a perceived purity point of view. By the way, since you are bi-amping your speakers, have you messed with the Panny's HF/LF delay setting? -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30225 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
Maybe your room is perfect :) -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz DRC - I must be doing something wrong...
inguz;163170 Wrote: > Oh dear. A bug snuck in to the processor a while back, and since I > wasn't affected, I didn't even notice... but I think it's the cause of > these bad-sounding results. > > Open "inguz.dsp.exe.config" (in \Program > Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\) with Notepad, > and if you see a line > > change it to > > then try again. (No need to restart slimserver or anything; takes > effect on the next track play). > > Sorry for the inconvenience. I see the new versions of the config still have partitions default to "2". Should we set it to "0" for best performance/SQ? -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30225 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe empty99;164373 Wrote: > I built this cabinet 20 yrs ago with adjustable rackmount for center > sections and drawers that fit precisely with 3 rows of CDs each and > hidden glass door that slide down to cover the components. But with the > 2 Nakamichi amps cranking out some serious heat, it hasn't come down in > 5 yrs. All components are on full time. > Wiring: RG6/RG59 > SB3>optical>MF A3.24/192K DAC>Alps Blackwidow pot>2 Naks PA7>B&W 802 > Nautilus That's a sweet rug. Mind sharing where you acquired it? -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What kind of Audiophile are you?
I listen to Aqua. 'Nuff Said. -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32378 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replay-gain and Amp clipping Question
Awesome, thank you for the feedback everyone. -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Replay-gain and Amp clipping Question
Well yeah if the track was mastered with clipping in it, gaining it down wouldn't do anything. However what is the differential in power between a "quiet" track and a "loud" track played at the same perceived SPL with respect to the amplifier? -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Replay-gain and Amp clipping Question
Yes but turning down the digital level one must turn up the analog (most amplifiers) level to get the same perceived SPL. If I had a track that was really, really quiet and needed turn my amplifier's volume to 11 in order to get decent SPL, what effect - if any - does this have on the amplifier going into clip-mode? -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replay-gain and Amp clipping Question
Here's a rather newbie question that I've been thinking about for a bit. Which of these is theoretically worse for the speakers and/or more likely to lead to amp clipping: A) Untouched "modern" rock/pop track with digital clipping being played back at 90dB average. The amplifier's volume is set to -25dB to achieve this SPL. B) The same rock/pop track but replay-gained down 10dB to avoid digital clipping. Now to get the same 90dB SPL as Scenario A, the amplifier's volume has to be at say, -10dB. Basically the question is does replay-gain (or any other form of turning digital level down) increase the likelihood of analog clipping? Thanks for any input. -- CFP Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
Alright I got my third (and best) measurement in today. I haven't gotten a nice, long listening session in yet, but suffice it to say the difference is palpable. In a nutshell, I would say the imaging and sound-stage improved fairly significantly, and a sometimes sibilant high-end has been tamed. More later. -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
totoro;154491 Wrote: > Did you make sure that you were using the right microphone config file > when you generated your filters? Also, if you look in the directory > where the inguz binary lives, you'll see a config file there. You can > adjust the gain there. > > I had to turn the gain up on mine. Maybe this is a problem with the way > the convolver adjusts the volume. Yes I did make sure to follow the tips you laid out in your initial post. Curious, did you notice any other improvements when turning up the gain other than "louder" sound? inguz;154543 Wrote: > CFP: check that you use the "normal.drc" from > http://www.inguzaudio.com/RoomCorrection/normal.drc, not the one from > the drc distro. Ah thanks, I did this last night and it has made a huge difference. -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Inguz Audio tips and initial impressions
I just did this and the resulting sound seems really muffled with the left channel seemingly louder than the right. Anyone else get these results, and if so, how did you solve it? -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29489 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods
Robin Bowes Wrote: > CFP wrote: > > Patrick Dixon Wrote: > >> I suspect one of them thinks it's 'telling' that SD design to a > cost, > >> and the other that SD don't think it's worth spending any more > money > >> because the improvements would be so small. > >> > > > > Oh no, I think I've just been mistaken for an audiosnob. > > Well, how about explaining what you meant, instead of sticking to > cryptic one-liners? > > R. You're barking up the wrong tree. How about www.wikipedia.com? -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26337 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods
Patrick Dixon Wrote: > I suspect one of them thinks it's 'telling' that SD design to a cost, > and the other that SD don't think it's worth spending any more money > because the improvements would be so small. > Oh no, I think I've just been mistaken for an audiosnob. -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26337 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: The what Dac question
PhilNYC Wrote: > FYI - a guy who has a modded Zhaolu sent me a message saying that the > mods to entail more than just part upgrades (although not a whole lot > more). The point still holds, however, that the stock Zhaolu probably > won't get you much (if any) improvement over the SB's analog output... By no means does one have to "mod" the Zhaolu for it to sound good. The general consensus on other forums is that the "stock" Zhaolu 2.0 compares very favorably against other DACs such as the Benchmark, Lavry, etc - especially for the price. -- CFP Speakers: Squeezebox 3 digital out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 digital out > Zhaolu 2.0C > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26598 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: redwine audio mods
seanadams Wrote: > Not really. It's like putting a grapefruit shooter on an Acura, or > upgrading your plug wires, or all the other hundreds of ways you can > pour money into it for little (or quite often negative) benefit. > > The system as a whole is designed from the start for some level of > price/performance, and it can't be greatly exceeded by swapping out a > few parts. Sure, if you really know what you're doing you might be > able to squeeze out a fraction of a dB here or there, but it's already > well past the point of diminishing returns as it comes from the > factory. Telling indeed. -- CFP Speakers: FLAC > Squeezebox 3 Digital Out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 Digital Out > Zhaolu 2.0C DAC > PMS-04 Headphone Amplifier > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26337 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
JohnnyLightOn Wrote: > These "scientific sites" are often populated by people who either don't > have great ears or don't have great systems. I've read on > Hydrogenaudio a dozen times that good MP3s and CDs are > indistinguishable, which is clearly not the case. > > I'm not saying I think FLAC sounds worse than WAV. But just because > FLAC is lossless doesn't mean we, as audiophiles, must categorically > rule out any sound difference. This type of thinking - that bits are > bits - is why we've been saddled with crappy CD sound up until a few > years ago, even though the standard came out in 1982. Everything bears > testing, comparison, and scruitiny, even those things that appear > obvious. FLAC needs an extra decoding step, and in any setup, this > step has the potential to degrade the sound. You're right. Perhaps one day science can tell us how computers work. -- CFP Speakers: FLAC > Squeezebox 3 Digital Out > Panasonic SA-XR57 > Energy Veritas 2.4i Headphones: EMU-0404 Digital Out > Zhaolu 2.0C DAC > PMS-04 Headphone Amplifier > AKG K701, Grado HF-1 || iPod Shuffle > Shure E500 CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
P Floding Wrote: > If you are going to be a sceptic, then at the very least learn to read > carefully and apply logic. "no-one can claim the situations are fully > equivalent" is all I said. Nice backpedal. Of course "situations cannot be fully equivalent" - but that's a meaningless statement it is tantamount to saying, "they are not the same because they are different." Wow, such a philosophical breakthough! Do I smell a Nobel Prize? Well duh, of course the situations are not full equivalent. On the most shallow level, one is named "FLAC" and the other "WAV" so right off you've violated mathematical laws of equivalence! I raised skepticism on the contention WAV sounds better than FLAC for the SB3. Your "short answer": > FLAC needs more processing in the SB, so no-one can claim the situations > are fully equivalent Well this is "processing difference" is by no means unique to the SB3, FLAC is after all a compressed format. On any scientific site if someone contended WAV sounded better than FLAC on their computer due to the "processing differences" he/she'd be laughed out of the house. I don't know if you're aware but FLAC is one of the only lossless formats to have a myriad of test suites designed to PROVE output equivalence to the original signal. Come on now, if you are going to be a sceptic, then at the very least learn to read carefully and apply logic. -- CFP CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
P Floding Wrote: > Actually, audio reproduction is not an exact science. There is no > ultimate sound system on this planet that sounds perfect to all ears. > Perhaps I overstated the case, but the fact remains that it is hard to > believe that more jitter will sound better. Especially since we know > that one of the reasons digital sounded so awful in its ugly childhood > was that the engineers had overlooked the effects of jitter. I thought it was because they were still trying to compensate for certain deficiencies of analog recording when it was unneeded for digital. P Floding Wrote: > We here have been over this before, and unless you simply search the > archives, I suggest we start a new thread if you'd like to discuss it. > (Short answer: FLAC needs more processing in the SB, so no-one can > claim the situations are fully equivalent.) So how is this different than any other piece of computer hardware? Minus of course, the dedicated "FLAC Machine" with gate logic solely optimized for FLAC algorithm decoding :P -- CFP CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Is max volume really max?
seanadams Wrote: > I feel I should speak up, lest any passers by encounter this thread and > get the wrong idea. > > Please do NOT expect things to work with firmware 15. This is a very > old version and we do not test it with current versions of SlimServer. > Even if you can get it to work, you are missing out on a myriad of > improvements since then. > > At full volume you will get exactly the same output as with current > firmware. You can verify this by looking at the s/pdif data. If you > don't believe the bits, try a blind listening test. > > For details about how the volume curve changed, 8-bit vs 16-bit > coefficients, etc please see the archives. > > It would be really nice if we could put this one to rest. I ask only > becuase the amount of FUD and misinformation out there really seems to > be getting out of hand, to the point where we actually get phone calls > from people insisting that WE explain how they should go about hacks > like this. Witness the muting phenomenon to see how these ideas spread. har har, that's what you get when you have a forum specifically for voodoo shamans,...I mean audiophiles. -- CFP CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26002 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
Whenever digital audio gets mentioned, it seems talk of jitter is not far behind. Can someone provide for my reading pleasure a reasonably scientific experiment or white paper that measures the audibility of jitter, especially pertaining to the ranges commonly associated with decent audio gear (i.e. no straw-men)? -- CFP CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: S/PDIF sounds poor
This thread took a dive into incredulity a few pages back. when it was proposed WAV sounded better than FLAC :P -- CFP CFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6915 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26332 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
