Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] new sb controller compatibility
pfarrell;332750 Wrote: > Konig wrote: > > Are they able to control sb3 or they are only allowed to control > sb2? > > What "new" controller? Do you mean the Controller that was announced > as > part of the Duet? It controls any SD device, SB1 and Transporter too. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ yes that controller as part of the duet. It says it only control sb2 on the logitech site so i was a little confused. Thanks -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51540 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] new sb controller compatibility
Are they able to control sb3 or they are only allowed to control sb2? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51540 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there warranty card?
I read in the manual that warranty cards are not included in the box. How do we register our products then? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41533 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Setting Transporter to Slave for World Clock Input
my spdif cable with eichmann bullet plugs doesnt fit into the bnc word clock of the transporter. do i need an adaptor or a new plug? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
zanash;231990 Wrote: > Now why would you want to believe some one who's business is to dupe > you, ie an illusionist ? > > The last time I bothered to check ...the small print and exceptions > would make it more than impossible to show sound changes between cable. > Let alone things like amps or cdp. > > I can easily test two dissimilar cables [ic] in my own system an show > to anyone who cares to pop in for a listen that they will sound > different.My test method if you want to try something yourself. > > the cdp is quad99cdp2 with a fixed and variable output...the difference > in sound between these two outputs is non existant using two identical > cables. Fit cable A to the variable fit cable B to the fixed output > [set the varriable to full output] these are then both taken to a quad > 77pre using inputs 1 and 2 which are both electrically identical. Using > the hand set to switch between the two, its possible to discriminate > between dissimilar cable. Obviously the more different they are the > bigger the perceived sound differences. > > Interestingly using this method with identical cables but different > plugs you can hear the effect that various makes of rca connectors have > on the signal passing through the cables. > > Its very clear that some of the more costly plugs don't sound as good > as some of those with less base metal ie eichmann silver bullets are > the best I've heard at any price but neutrik sy series at about 10% of > the cost run them very close.The worse ones are those with two part > earth returns that are crimped ie the cheap sort you'd get from maplin > in the uk. Only slightly better are the big heavy wbt clones canare > and audio note are particularly good but at a price. > > Remember Randi is an illusionist and therefore he's going to have any > so called test weighted heavily in his favourhe's certainly not > going to want to payout the illusionary million dollars. > > I'm happy to let people make there own minds up ...where as some people > [randi ?] would like you to conform to there way of thinking. of course > this is only my opinion and everyone is allowed to have ! > > Just don't believe things till you've heard it for yourselves i find his tests very fair and relied alot on statistical confidence levels (which is what scientific studies use). -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] looking for slim device reseller near chicago
why is there no silver stock? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] looking for slim device reseller near chicago
Does any1 know of any SD reseller in chicago since im visiting this week -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
USAudio;174824 Wrote: > Why would anyone want to spend all kinds of time and money reading about > all kinds of details and looking at all kinds of pictures about a > product they wouldn't want to buy??? > > Maybe they just need a brief list of NOT-Recommended components with a > quick summary as to why? why would any1 buy mags filled with pretty nude woman they wont ever have a chance to have sex with? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter on the cover of Stereophile, Feb 2007 issue
u guys live in the states right? just buy 1 and return it if u dont like it. The canadian tax agency wont refund me my tax so its no go for me =( -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31860 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter, after one month
cliveb;167864 Wrote: > I'm fairly firmly in the camp that believes "break-in" of electronic > components is largely a myth. Adaptation of the listener seems far more > likely. That said, of course it is *possible* that the TP has changed > slightly, but there is no way to tell, and I very much doubt it. However, i noticed a drastic diff breaking in tube amp. how do I know? the first listening session sounds harsh and less than impressive. I went to sch and returned after a week WOW!! -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter with dCS
tell your friend that he can mail his CDs here in batches and my dad (some1 who retired with lots of time to spare) will rip for him on DVD-Rs for free. However, he has to ensure they are GOOD music, not some crap music. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30639 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162188 Wrote: > Ah. > > Time for some speakers...! Time to rob a bank for a new house, new speakers and some pleasant gifts to my mum so she doesnt complain about the noise -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162129 Wrote: > Konig, > > But, really, I defy you to tell any difference. I have a lavry and > have had up to three DACs in my place at the same time. Usually, it > takes somewhat experienced ears to tell the difference. I've heard the > Lavry Gold, which runs $9-$8k or so, and there is precious little > difference between it and the Lavry DA10. Dan Lavry will tell you the > same thing. And, truly, here's the thing: you're talking about devices > that have 30ps or less of jitter. This is not audible. The output > stages vary, yes, but they are all excellent. Now, stick an EQ device > into your signal, do some measurements, and make a 2-5db correction > here and there -- that will make a FAR greater difference. In short: > > You are better off: > > 1. Working within a sane budget, and that means not spending incredible > heaps of money on this stuff. > > 2. First and foremost, get your room and speaker sorted out. Study > your speaker's characteristics. Learn about speaker placement (look at > articles on Allison rules). Learn about room measurement and look into, > at the very least, EQ based on measurement and, better, room correction > (Acourate, Tact, Lyngdorf). Get your sound RIGHT. Only then will you > really appreciate the nuances, if indeed they still matter, between > these things. > > In the meantime, the Transporter is absolutely first rate. It's silly > to buy one and then fret about not having the best sound on the planet. > You won't have the best sound you can have until your room and speakers > are working as they should. > > I only say this because, over and again, peopl in this forum turn > toward more esoteric, expensive, or both ways to improve their sound. > $9k DACs with $1k speakers. That sort of thing. In this sense, I > think Raja (can you believe this, Raja?!) is dead right: you should > economize and optimize where and how you can, taking into account > personal preferences. The most important thing in your audio chain are > the sound waves that hit your ears. A simple system with a > great-sounding room will be better, and make the differences between > equipment more important, than a mediocre sounding room. im using stax omega 2 headphones. i had no speakers. i need a transporter bcoz i dont even have a transport. I already have the dac. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;162050 Wrote: > None - I don't have a TP. > > > > The one thing which is totally obvious is that people's opinions of how > things sound vary tremendously, which means they are an extremely > unreliable guide. Therefore I prefer to winnow down the number of > options I consider using logic and reason, and then go listen to it and > see if I like it, rather than rely on "so-and-so prefers such-and-such." > > > There are two possibilities for a TP connected to an external DAC (I'm > ignoring the wordclock option, which I agree is superior but requires a > very expensive DAC): > > 1) TP connected to a DAC which is immune to jitter (if you don't > believe such DACs exist move to option 2). > In this case the transport is totally irrelevant sound-wise, so one > should use the source which is most convenient/cheapest/prettiest, > which is probably not the TP. > > 2) TP connected to a non-jitter-immune DAC. > In this case the DAC is receiving a noisy signal and has an additional > disadvantage before it can even equal the TP. Of course there may be > DACs out there that can do this, or that simply have analogue stages > that sound better to some people, but that would be the exception > rather than the rule. The lessloss has a word clock for less than USD $3K. the reason being 1) they got no remote 2) they use jumper settings instead of software settings (not convenient) 3) batteries instead of arrays of expensive power supplies 4) not very aggressive on advertising 5) no upsampling to DSD actually if u consider the fact that a used emm labs is only around $4k, lessloss does seem expensive now lolx. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
highdudgeon;162012 Wrote: > And, hey, they're only over $10k. Lavry makes a $9k unit, if you're > looking at things like that. Before you get there, though, you'd > better make damn sure you have out-of-this-world speakers and > electronics. Out of this world. > > As for the technical level thing, how about getting technical and > explaining why? Dan Lavry has an excellent white paper on jitter on > his site. The Transporter's DAC has exceptionally low jitter. I > strongly doubt whether, in a normal to pretty high-end system, you > could tell any difference at all. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27927&page=6&highlight=sync At least on technical grounds, this user (wslam) is reporting less jittery sound from a word clock sync. Whether or not one can discern it is up to your ears though. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
opaqueice;161971 Wrote: > To answer part of your question, on a technical level it's almost > certainly a bad idea to connect the transporter to an external DAC. > The reason is that any S/PDIF connection will induce jitter into the > digital signal, so the external DAC will be receiving a much noisier > signal than the internal DAC of the Transporter (or SB, for that > matter). Given that the TP was carefully engineered to maximize its > fidelity without (much) concern for cost, it's highly unlikely that any > external DAC will be able to overcome the significant disadvantage of a > jittery input to even match the TP's performance, let alone exceed it. > > A few DACs are claimed to be immune to input jitter. This is probably > the case (for example for the Lavry), but then you are only guaranteed > an equal playing field for a $1000 DAC vs. $2000 TP. Still doubtful > that the external DAC wins, and you've spent significantly more than on > the TP alone. Furthermore in this case the TP as a transport is a total > waste - you should simply use a SB (or a $30 universal disc player, for > that matter). On a technical level you can amend things by SLAVING the transporter via word clock. This is better than a transporter + dac without word clock sync. And i believe there are quite a number of dacs that when clocked, can exceed the performance of TP. for example the emm labs. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 plus DAC vs Transporter with or without DAC
tomjtx;161677 Wrote: > I agree with MC but I don't mean this to answer for him. > The TP has a great DAC . I haven't heard better. i've compared it to > the Lavry DAC > (which many like better than the Benchmark). > I like the TP better than the Lavry. I think the 2 are so close it may > just be a matter of opinion. > > IMO it would be a waste of money to use the TP to feed an external DAC > since I don't think there is a DAC out there that is better. > > If you want to use an external DAC you can save a lot by using it with > an SB > > If you want a TP for the looks, I would suggest you live with it a > month, then compare it to other DACs. > I would be surprised if you still wanted a stand alone DAC. > > Let us know what you decide and what you hear in your comparisons, > should be interesting and (hopefully) fun SB3 doesnt have a wordclock input function. You can slave the transporter to an external DAC to reduce jitter but this cant be done with a SB3. Usually such dacs (i mean well implemented ones) come at a higher premium than the larvy and benchmark -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Transporter for sale-silver
FAINT!! somebody kill ME SD should really consider taking tt sb3 off the package and give us $300 off -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Transporter for sale-silver
DAmn, my friend is an ass, he got the wrong info. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: New Transporter for sale-silver
a dealer is charging only $1500 =P -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30398 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter review
is there any place in canada where i can audition the transporter? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29450 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter vs. SB3 on spdif out
highdudgeon;156191 Wrote: > Yes, I do -- the grammar isn't that tricky. It means that the > Transporter has sound A and the other two, namely TP+DAC and SB3+ DAC, > have sound B. Sound A and sound B are very close to each other. By > saying that two of the configurations, again, the TP+DAC and SB3+DAC > sound identical, I meant that they sound identical. > > I'll be even more specific: my impression is that the TP wins out in > terms of attack and transient response and has, overall, superior > treble -- not "trebly," just really nice. The DAC is perhaps -- > perhaps -- a bit more textured in the midbass. Imaging is so close to > identical that mentioning any differences is not worth it. > > I can say that we were able to pick up the TP and DACs on a regular > basis. The thing is, it wasn't that one was altogether better or > altogether worse. Some passages were just a tad more involving and > realistic -- a tad -- with one than with the other. > > I think that owning a TP with an outdoor DAC is a waste of money. The > TP is that good. There is a good argument, however, for owning a SB3 > and DAC (cheaper, after all) IF you use a DSP device. On the other > hand, the looks and convenience of the TP trump the other solution. > > This really isn't different from Ben Diss's well thought-out evaluation > at Phil's place. He said something along the lines of the > configurations being around 98%or 99% (or higher) of each other. I > think he's right. When you're shopping then, you need to consider > convenience, system savings, looks, etc. For instance, for me, a > downside to the TP is the as-yet unfixed digital loop. That's a biggie > and I think Slim knows it. On the other hand, you can plug multiple > digital sources into the back and use the thing as a preamp with remote > control. You can do the same with a Lavry, but they you have to get up > and use that annoying switch to adjust the volume on your secondary > source. My wife likes the looks of the TP. She thinks the SB3 looks > like an alarm clock (it does) and that using it with the Lavry makes > our room look like an engineer's tweaking place and not family living > rooom. She is right. We both agree that the sound is as good as > anything else. I sold my Lavry -- and not because I need the money. > > Anyway, yes, Virginia, that was a grammatically correct sentence. > Perhaps a bit quick, if you read it quickly, but grammatically sound. > Thank you for the snippy comment. Posts like that, comments that you > would never make in person, out of basic politeness, really liven up > the atmosphere of this forum and encourage good relations. You are > very clever indeed. > > Clear? getting the TP + a mediocre dac (eg larvy) will be a waste of money i agree. But if u get a resonable DAC (eg emm lab) with a word clock output option to slave the TP I do believe it is going to make a difference and sound better than the TP itself although i havent try it myself. I will do that after xmas. The whole point of buying the TP for transport purpose is their word clock input function, which costs around $1400 if you compare it to a sb3. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29875 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why didn't cd players ever re-buffer?
Steve i know u are a big proponent of I2S instead of reclocking However im still curious to know if it is possible to add a wordclock or superclock input function to the squeezebox? I believe this will save alot of people the need to buy the transporter for their digital out only. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28621 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter slaved vs transporter unslaved
May i know if any1 here has heard an improvement when he slaved his transporter to his dac via the word clock input? I only know wslam has done it so far. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29711 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
ncpl;154642 Wrote: > The longer it is left; the more people will have bought. Therefore, > that's more wrath - not less. > > I say earlier is better. If i were sean and i hear this i will NEVER make it. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: .ape file format
is there a degradation in quality of the track during the transcoding? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Am I the only person who still wants a digital only Transporter
but i doubt they will make it anytime soon. They risk incurring the wrath of those folks who forked out cash early. -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29494 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] .ape file format
can transporter playback monkey audio codecs? -- Konig Konig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
