Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz on Vortexbox Appliance
The thing that really kills me about Inguz DRC is the fact that the command prompt based install for Mac OS "breaks" with each SBS update and needs to be redone. In addition, the threads describing edits several (dedicated and generous) members of this forum have made to the Inguz DRC files to keep them operational with the newer versions of SBS are often difficult to follow and replicate. Does any former Inguz DRC user have experience with the BruteFir plugin - particularly with VortexBox? Would the BruteFir install break with updates as the Inguz Mac OS version did? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
sfraser;642488 Wrote: > Paradigm Model 20' (original ones) are a great speaker, well built great > imaging etc. I bought a set way back for my sister. Only complaint, was > the tweeter could be a little shrill. I currently have PSB's (stratus > Goldi) and they are great too. I also use PMC TB1's which are > astounding little box's if not a little expensive, but if space is an > issue check out the TB1's You should be able to pick up a used pair for > in and around $500-600. > > > cheers, and have fun! The Studio 20s definitely run a bit hot on the high end. Not for everyone, but definitely works for me. The PMCs have always interested me, I've read several reviews suggesting the transmission line design might not be the best option when placing speakers so close to room boundaries. The active v. passive discussion is interesting - but frustrates me in that are the active market is so limited to date. I agree that the companies have to do a better job of committing to and selling active technology. If Paradigm gave up on it after a year or two it doesn't bode well for smaller firms. Regarding my original question to the group - there seems to be little support for the 1996 to 2011 entry level monitor upgrade. Given that I'm not willing to make the aesthetic changes to accommodate a larger monitor or a floorstander or spend considerably more to put a higher end speaker in a compromised location - I think I may hold off a bit longer. A new, dedicated listening room would be nice... -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
Phil Leigh;640234 Wrote: > Given that speakers are BY FAR the biggest contributor to the overall > sound of a system, it strikes me as unlikely that someone would upgrade > from Brand X, Model Y to Brand X, Model Y.1... > > Speakers are unlike "electronics" in that respect - lots of folks would > move from a 3rd-gen iThing to a 4th Gen iThing to get the latest bells, > whistles and kudos. An analoguous speaker upgrade would seem unlikely > to tick the same boxes... > Often it is possible to get a manufacturer upgrade (e.g. new tweeter or > x-over) instead. > > For what it's worth, the ProAC Tablette is far and away the best small > passive monitor I've heard...not sure it fits your budget though. > > As with all micro/bookshelf monitors, a sub is required if you want any > actual bass below 70 Hz... So if I need my really need my "boxes ticked" I should look for a change - interesting... I suppose Phil is right in that it makes some sense to try something different with a new speaker purchase - except that my experience with my current speakers has been so positive. I really haven't experienced a profound desire to upgrade until now. This whole decision would be so much easier if one of my current speakers were to show audible signs of their age or fail outright. I have looked into ProAc several times - but a few US east coast dealers seem to have dropped the brand recently. Same experience with Tannoy (Revolution Signature DC4s look particularly interesting). My SVS sub is amazing by the way - musical, adjustable, affordable, built like a tank and relatively inconspicuous as subs go. With that sub in place and the Inguz corrections the mini-monitor path is perfectly appropriate for me. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
The Dalis and Meridians look promising but are probably a bit out of what I want to spend on a bookshelf placement - thanks for the suggestions. To bring this back to my basic question however - has anyone here upgraded from a well designed monitor to a newer version within the same (or similar line) and seen huge improvements? incremental improvements? no improvements - or worse? The optimist in me wants to spend, the pessimist sees diminished returns. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
Daverz;639693 Wrote: > Sonus Faber always seemed like poor value to me. It might be different > in the EU. I'd suggest something like the PSB Synchrony One first. > > If you want to see some innovative speaker designs, check out the > Linkwitz Lab pages: > > http://www.linkwitzlab.com/ Agreed on the Sonus Faber - perhaps a bit overpriced but everything I've heard personally has been of high quality. I haven't auditioned the Synchrony line yet - clearly a great value but even the smallest offering is still larger than my existing monitors. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
earwaxer9;639288 Wrote: > Barbed wire works well...smooth wire electric fence is a nice touch! For those that haven't experienced this - some dogs from the bull breeds respond very differently to pain stimuli. You can step on my dog's tail (accidentally) in a full dress heel and she won't even move much less whine, yelp or jump back. So that's out. The child is another matter. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
Toy Maker;639194 Wrote: > You may seriously want to look into a set of Sunfire Cinema Ribbons, > with a small subwoofer. Amazing small package with amazingly big sound. > Not the cheapest speakers on the planet, but amazing reviews as well. > They are cheap enough used, that you could try a set, and re-sell them > if you choose. > > Do a little research on the web, and check some the reviews. I'm sure > you would be pleased with them. I was not aware any of the Sunfire gear was that compact. I think the conventional driver on the side might cause some issues with my bookshelf setup - but you definitely got me thinking about some alternative approaches. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
pippin;638883 Wrote: > Generally speaking, it's mainly size and volume/power. And quality at > low volume/dynamic range. > There are two main advancements: > > 1. You've got stronger magnets which means you can get the same Power > out of smaller speakers, they can especially be flatter. > > 2. With active speakers and class D amps you don't need passive filters > but you can have a separate amp per channel with an actively controlled > frequency response. This means you can use much smaller boxes. Also, > you've got much less losses, both of this means you need much les power > because you don't have to overbuild all your components. > > Generally speaking you were able to tune a speaker to any sound you > wanted already 15 years ago. But because passive filters are so much > more limited than active ones you had to make sure you don't have big > inequalities in frequency response of your chassis. Which means you had > to over-size them. > Same for amps. Since you want to stay away from extremes you need to > over-build an amp, this of course gets worse due to the higher losses > in the speaker and the filters. > But, because you want to stay away from extremes this hurts your low > volumes. > > As if my experience you can get similar results at a quarter of the > volume, these days. The active speakers clearly bring some advantages but many of them (at least on the affordable end) are not my taste - LEDs, knobs, and no grilles. I wish more manufacturers (particularly those based in North America) would simply offer active and passive versions of speakers with similar aesthetics - or take the modular approach to crossovers like Linn. I almost purchased a active Linn Tukan based system when I bought the Paradigm Studio 20s I'm looking to replace. They were tiny speakers and sounded brilliant - just no real bass to speak of. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
Kevin Haskins;639140 Wrote: > As a speaker designer my $0.02 > > #1. We have a better idea of what measurements correlate to a speaker > that sounds "better". > > #2. We have much better software tools for simulation. > > #3. We have better transducers due to #2 and we have better tools for > measuring them (Klippel). > > #4. High quality low cost DSPs really allow much more ability to tailer > the electrical transfer function. You have companies that are making > DSP room correction and that still seems to be problematic. There is > still some ambiguity about what should be changed about the in-room > response and what should be left alone so there are situations where > room correction can sound worse than the uncorrected version. > > I'd note that not all of these "improvements" have necessarily > translated into universally better loudspeaker designs. I routinely > see poorly designed loudspeakers in the review pages of big-name > magazines and they get great reviews even though we know, beyond any > shadow of a doubt, that they would perform poorly in non-sited > evaluations. If you know what to look for... there are many more > examples of good design too. I guess the last paragraph here gets to the core of my question - how do all of these advancements manifest in the quality of the sound produced by a modern monitor? Let's assume companies like PSB, Paradigm and Dynaudio do significant R&D and use new technologies to improve and refine their designs. Does this effort result in subtle improvements - or something more significant? Care to elaborate on a modern design that you might expect to perform poorly on site? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
earwaxer9;638936 Wrote: > Great fun. > > My 2 pesos on speakers...I think the mini maggies would do well with > the 10" sub. Not sure how low you want you main speakers to go. The > MMG's go to about 60hz. The 10" sub should have some good punch in the > mid bass to help the planars out. Thats the one area lacking in the > pans. The mids and highs are to die for. Not new technology by any > stretch. Magneplanar has been making these for about 40yrs or so. They > are thin and relatively small with a very good WAF. Easy to move > around. I move them out for listening (bipolar). They look great! Also > inexpensive at $600/pair - thats why the crossovers are cheap. If you > are not real happy with the sound, and you dont send them back, I would > encourage experimenting with the crossovers. Easy to access. Snip, snip, > solder, solder. One cap and one inductor per speaker. Enjoy! The MMGs would be high on my list if not for 3.5 year old child and bullmastiff. The bookshelf location offers protection and is easier on the eyes. I agree that they are reasonably attractive, but are certainly not going to disappear to some degree in the room. Really looking to stay with a monitor 12" high max. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
I am considering replacing my Paradigm Studio 20s (v1 - from around 1996 or so). Primary motivation is to move to something smaller as speakers are mounted on bookshelves by necessity - trying to free up more space and reduce "presence" of electronics in the room. Secondary (but strong) motivation is simply to purchase something shiny and new to replace aging equipment. My dilemma - I am (and always have been) very satisfied with these speakers. Inguz DRC and a competent subwoofer are able to compensate to a significant degree for the less than ideal speaker placement. My question - what improvements am I likely to see from a well designed, constructed reviewed monitor from 2011 as compared to the same from 1996? I know the easy answer is go listen for myself, but given the importance of location and Inguz in my setup that is easier said than done. Considering the Paradigm Studio 10, PSB Imagine Mini, KEF Q100 and Dynaudio X12. The Studio 10s have the additional advantage of being front ported. Thoughts? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] VU meters?
Mine seem to max around -3 or so. I've never really payed much attention to the absolute peak values - clearly off in many cases. Look much better than they are accurate apparently. Quick photo attached. +---+ |Filename: IMG_7495.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11776| +---+ -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] very useful Foobar plugin....
So this plugin will tell me to what degree many recordings I love have been more or less ruined by mastering? Interesting project if it had the potential to better inform the public, but I'm afraid that average person knowledgeable (and patient?) enough to seek out foobar and its associated plugins is already painfully familiar with the problem at hand. Too much information perhaps? I do remember reading a great article by Bob Katz about a DR scale (or something similar) that identified a select list of properly mastered pop and rock recordings. He even pointed out that some relatively "loud" recordings can still offer decent dynamics. I think he cited Rage Against the Machine's self-titled recording and John Mellencamp's "Whenever we Wanted" as popular examples of works that can make both sides of this argument happy. In my experience they both sound great. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac w/ MacOS 10.6.5, SBS 7.5.2 Sources: SB Touch, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87106 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz eq installation issues (mac) PLZ HELP
I think Muski posted the document on these forums (search for it) but it could have been over at the Inguz forums while they were still active. Keep searching and you'll find the threads. I don't have a good handle on where they are any more because I gave up on Inguz a few months back. It works great, but I just got tired of tweaking everything in response to software updates - and then trying to figure out (as you'll have to) which thread contains the correct modification to the plugin files is required to keep things working. It just required more effort than I'm willing to put in at this point. Currently considering giving a hardware based solution like the KRK Ergo a try to free up my mind and still get some benefit of DRC. Good luck. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4, SBS 7.5.1, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz eq installation issues (mac) PLZ HELP
I'll assume you have followed the instructions Muski posted on these forums to get things working on Mac OS - and found the tweaks required to the plugin files with the recent changes to SBS. I had a problem similar to what you are experiencing, and the issue came down to permission restrictions on the folders inside the preference pane for SBS. Check the permissions in those folders to see that they are not too restrictive. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4, SBS 7.5.1, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84118 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Confused between options - any advice welcome
The Quads look pleasant enough and seem to have gotten some decent reviews. This thread has gotten me thinking active again. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4, SBS 7.5.1, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80289 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Confused between options - any advice welcome
One thing to consider is that many of the more affordable active options on the market are just not pleasant to look at. I'll assume given the price range of the equipment in your system (very similar to my own) that the higher end active gear (ex. ATC) is not a consideration here. I have considered going the active route for a while to make my system less conspicuous - but always find that the homely active monitors with their visible lights and controls, and/or stylized drivers defeat the purpose. Why don't they offer grilles for these things - even as an option? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4, SBS 7.5.1, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80289 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Confused between options - any advice welcome
Using one of the room correction options out there can bring significant improvements for very little cost - particularly for LF issues. Give Inguz or Brutefir a try. The KRK Ergo is an affordable option as well. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.4, SBS 7.5.1, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80289 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Working fine here using the modded plugin - didn't even think to try the stock version. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5.0, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2.0 vs 2.1
The biggest advantage I have found to using a sub is you have greater flexibility in placing discrete LF drivers in a location where they will best interact with the room. The trade off is increased complexity - and the subsequent experimentation with (and obsession with?) measurement and adjustments to phase, gain, placement, xover points, etc. Inguz DRC has done a great job in taming the additional energy a sub has brought to my modest system - but DRC has an significant learning curve of its own. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5.0, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79054 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz results
I actually did identify the curves in the text of my post - you must have missed it. I considered trying to restrict the function of Inguz to the LFs as well, but haven't really noticed bothersome artifacts going full range. I'm hoping to take another set of measurements soon to see how closely the real corrected response corresponds to the test convolutions generated by Inguz. I recall reading in some earlier threads that the test convolutions can be misleading. Another interesting question - is such a flat response actually desirable? It gives great resolution of details - but sometimes sounds a bit too controlled or flat particularly with very compressed recordings. Is the uneven response you might have in a particular venue part of what makes the sound compelling - or is it solely the dynamics of the live performance? Considering the issues with the speaker placement, furniture position, and opening to the adjacent room I thought it was pretty impressive result and worth sharing. I'm hoping more people will give it a try - definitely beats spending lots of cash on equipment upgrades. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5.0, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to fight clipping due to high (recorded) volume?
Spend your money elsewhere. I actually returned a few CDs in the mid 90s when this loudness garbage first started - thinking they were defective. I finally learned 5-6 years back that these products are actually defective by design. Its sad - but they really have ruined some very good music for those of us that care about the sound quality. Every informed article I have read on this topic says there is absolutely nothing you can do do repair the damage done during mastering. One would think they would see an additional marketing opportunity in selling "audiophile" versions of their recordings thru select vendors at a premium price - but no luck no far. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5.0, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78964 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz results
For anyone that is considering using Inguz or other methods of DRC - here are some recent results. Green curve - measured impulse response. Blue curve - test convolution for minimal correction. Red curve - test convolution for normal correction. Target curve was a flat response. Measured using MAudio MobilePre and Behringer ECM8000. Note less than ideal speaker placement due to strong dog and young child. I prefer a flatter response, but I have had good results with putting a gradual cut on the HF as well using a different target. Definitely not a flattering setup for overly bright recordings - but works great overall. Taming of the LF response is a huge benefit. Sorry if the pics are too much - but I thought this was a good look at what can be done with a modest system and a small investment in measuring equipment. +---+ |Filename: IMG_6109.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=9957| +---+ -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5.0, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, SB Radio, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78949 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
A few threads started immediately after the release of 7.5 about problems with playing apple lossless files. Apparently a shift to (or away from - my head was starting to hurt following these threads) a utility named faad has changed the way apple lossless is processed by SBS. I tried to install Inguz again under SBS 7.5. Everything went as expected, but then I found no Inguz options for apple lossless or AAC in the File Types menu. All of the other Inguz options were present. Most of my library is in apple lossless to make the use of iPods more convenient via iTunes. Does this mean my run with Inguz is coming to an end? Reverting back to older SBS versions is not really an option as I plan on purchasing a Touch sometime soon. I also don't want to mess with SBS too much as I use a Boom as my alarm clock and need stability there. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
I should also add that I have tried darrenyeats' approach and found it preferable with certain types of music. But overall the full range correction seems to work best for me. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
michael123;535401 Wrote: > Sure, I do not want to EQ above 100Hz either! > This effects tonality and overall representation. > I just want to correct few very specific points on the frequency scale, > since I cannot have a perfect rooms and introduce (massive & horrible) > bass traps Keep in mind that the "effects" may actually be positive. There seem to be valid arguments in both the full range DRC and LF only DRC approaches. Dismissing one approach without hearing it work in your particular situation seems limiting. Give both methods a try and see which one actually sounds best - intellectual concerns aside. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
If you search around here you'll find many experienced users of Inguz DRC that consider it a crucial component in their systems. That being said, there is a steep learning curve and frustration at the beginning is part of the process. I have been using it for several years and seem to get better outcomes each time I use it. If you have to place speakers in a less than ideal location for practical reasons as I do it can be a tremendous benefit. It will effectively correct bass issues - but in my experience this can sometimes reduce the impact of some recordings. It took me some time to realize this, but sometimes that uneven measured LF response we hate to see is simply part of what we expect from certain types of music and venues. I've heard more than a few DRC users complain that the process "takes their bass away." For example, the gentle LF rolloff Inguz often gives me makes bass guitar lines much more definition, but sometimes reduces the kick of a bass drum. I generally am willing to accept the modest compromise, but sometimes turn off Inguz when I feel things are sounding too "controlled". The other option Inguz offers is a flatness control that allows you add back in some of the defects you've worked so hard to correct. Its funny how you reach for it after all the effort. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Classical Radio Uk
Thanks for the post. These streams are an excellent example of how satisfying 256-320kbs content can be when recorded properly. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76536 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Aperion Speakers & Peachtree
Although I have no personal experience with Aperion, they appear to have earned excellent press and likely represent an excellent value. That being said, the established manufacturers I mentioned above have long histories of success at all levels of the hifi market. The techniques they refine in their higher end products ultimately are applied to more affordable ones at the level the poster is talking about. The speakers these companies make are all excellent considering the limits imposed by their pricing. The Peachtree is the unique product here - with an interesting combo of features, performance, and aesthetics. The monitor and sub combinations from any of these manufacturers will make you very happy. Just audition a few, select ones that suit your tastes, and educate yourself about how to best integrate them into your room. The towers at that end of the market will not offer the same lows a good sub can. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76284 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Aperion Speakers & Peachtree
Although I have no personal experience with Aperion, they appear to have earned excellent press and likely represent an excellent value. That being said, the established manufacturers I mentioned above have long histories of success at all levels of the hifi market. The techniques they refine in their higher end products ultimately are applied to more affordable ones at the level the poster is talking about. The speakers these companies make are all excellent considering the limits imposed by their pricing. The Peachtree is the unique product here - with an interesting combo of features, performance, and aesthetics. The monitor and sub combinations from any of these manufacturers will make you very happy. Just audition a few, select ones that suit your tastes, and educate yourself about how to best integrate them into your room. The towers at that end of the market will not offer the same lows a good sub can. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76284 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Aperion Speakers & Peachtree
I would imagine very few people in this forum are going to recommend a tower to someone looking in the $1000 range for loudspeakers. The best values on that end of the market (and the market in general) are 2 way monitors. If you're going with the towers because the aesthetics of stands don't work for you, your options are more limited. If you're going with the towers to get greater LF extension, then a 2 way mini-monitor with a modest subwoofer gives you more flexibility. Brands like PSB, Paradigm, Dynaudio, NHT, B&W all offer great values in the $1000 range. All of these brands are relatively easy to find and would represent a significant step up for you. The Peachtree looks very like a great option. I've been thinking about picking one up to to pair with some Paradigm Studio 10s or Dynaudio X12s to reduce the bulk of my present system a bit. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.4.2, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76284 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofer for Active Speakers?
Since you mention REL, they actually recommend the use of speaker level connections with a very low xover point. The argument is that timing cues and the character of your amp will be picked up by the sub. Not sure how that helps you though, as I assume the active speakers have digital inputs direct from source. My SVS sub is compact, well suited to music, adjustable via parametric eq, and built in the US. Very happy with it. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75808 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Widows7 & Inguz.
Please post your results with the Atom system. I've been thinking of buying a dedicated Windows machine to run Inguz and it would be great to hear how taxing it is on some of these super efficient processors. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel iMac running Mac OS 10.6.2, SBS 7.5, Inguz DRC Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75184 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] mini monitor dilemma
iPhone;453788 Wrote: > What about active monitors? Have a look at AVI ADM 9.1 speakers. They > are front ported so the shelf might not be such a draw back. Almost all > speakers need to be away from the rear wall to get proper soundstage and > imaging, but at least the rear port issue is solved. And when paired > with a subwoofer, they compare favorably to 3 way floor standing > speakers. I wouldn't consider them cheap at three times the price > compared to Paradigm Studio 10s, but then one can also sell some > equipment because they are active only needing a digital input (read > high WAF). I've read about the AVIs several times in this forum - but how do they handle multiple digital inputs? Do they just switch over upon detecting an active signal? Right now an NAD receiver allows me to switch between DVD, HDTV and SB3 source material. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.7 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] mini monitor dilemma
I am familiar with the PSBs, but not crazy about the grille design for use in an older home. The Silverlines look like a great option though - although it doesn't appear they're available in black. Thanks much. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.7 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] mini monitor dilemma
I have used Paradigm Studio 20s (v.1) for about 14 years. I am still very happy with their performance. However, as a practical matter they must be mounted in bookcases (ports plugged) on either side of a fireplace. I understand this placement is less than ideal, but I am able to use Inguz DRC to correct to some degree. I would like to find a smaller speaker to replace the aging Studio 20s so that I can rearrange the shelves make additional room for books to stand upright. It is the height of the Studio 20s causing the problem. Questions: 1. Does anyone have experience with a front ported or sealed mini monitor (12" high or smaller) that would roughly match or exceed the Studio 20s performance? Right now it seems the new Paradigm Studio 10s would be a great place to start - but I'd like to investigate other manufacturers as well. 2. Or, am I wasting the potential of a quality mid-level monitor with the bookcase placement, and therefore should I save cash and step down into more of a budget level monitor (ex. Paradigm Atom Monitor?) letting my subwoofer handle a slighter greater load? Has anyone here stepped down in a similar way and felt comfortable with the decision? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.7 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67252 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Subwoofers from a high-end perspective?
I agree that many audiophiles dismiss subwoofers without actually trying them for several reasons: 1. Buyer's remorse regarding the use of a high pass filter that actually cuts signal from speakers they've made a significant financial and intellectual investment in. 2. Many subwoofer installations (particularly in theater setups) have the gain and crossover set way too high. 3. Room issues rarely get the attention they deserve, and become even more obvious with integration of a sub into a system. 4. Sometimes the extreme LF in a recording is absent, of poor quality and/or simply distracting - and perhaps best ignored. I have learned the following in using several different subs in my modest system 2 channel system over the years: 1. Smaller sealed boxes with parametric EQ are much easier to integrate into a system than larger ported boxes - as they are easier to place in best location. 2. The benefits of the high-pass filter on midrange clarity and dynamics are very real, and well worth some of the artifacts the crossover might impose. 3. DRC tools (like Inguz) can be particularly beneficial to subwoofer integration, as it can tame some of the nasty nodes and resonances that plague our rooms and are excited by LF energy. 4. Keep the crossover point set comfortably below the +/- 2db rolloff point for the monitors. A gap in response is preferable to an overlap. 5. Phase adjustments rarely seem to have a significant impact - you can measure them with a meter, but their effect is subtle at best. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.7 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1), SVS SB-12 Plus Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67022 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Inguz will run on newer Macs but there is no installer package for Mac last I checked. I was able to follow some instructions posted by muski on the Inguz forum that use the console to run the install. Certainly not the easiest way to do things - but you get used to it. Search the Inguz forum for muski's document and give it a try. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.6 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
I don't recall seeing too many people complaining on any of these boards about Inguz causing significant stability issues, other than taxing the processor a bit. Most people here are more qualified than me to answer your workaround question, but I would think the only way to really see whether Inguz is right for you is to actually live with it for a few weeks. Uninstalling has never caused any headaches for me. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.6 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Excellent results here overall - I've been using it for a couple years. Inguz has saved me a ton of cash in avoiding equipment upgrades with significant diminishing returns. I have to keep my speakers mounted in bookcases for protection from my daughter and large dog, and Inguz allows be to make the best of the less than ideal placement. I should also say I have gotten away with using Inguz on a relatively low powered PC (1.1 Athlon 768MB RAM or so) streaming lossless to 2 SB3s simultaneously with no stuttering whatsoever. I currently run Inguz on an Intel iMac w 2MB RAM - and rarely quit the 4-5 other apps I regularly use with no apparent lags whatsoever. The few frustrating experiences I've had have come with upgrades, as the installs on the Mac have to be done manually using the console, and part of the setup breaks with each change. It's tedious - but really doesn't take more than a few minutes - I shouldn't complain. It would be really cool if the silverlight web interface in squeezecenter was more useful - but that hasn't ever really worked for me. Could be a Mac thing. Bottom line is I can't think of a more cost effective way to improve a system. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.6 and SC 7.3 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
I think the fact that Paradigm bailed on this market niche says a lot. They have clearly figured out a way to manufacture quality equipment in North America at a variety of price points. Perhaps they made the push toward active speakers prematurely, but it still really hurts not to have a market leader putting product on the shelves to see, hear and touch. I'm glad someone mentioned ATC here. It would be nice to see them offer some more affordable products (and something a bit smaller in scale) - but as with AVI they're not the easiest things to find for an audition in many parts of North America. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.5 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler, iPeng Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
It appears AVI will sell direct from the UK worldwide, but I would be reluctant to spend that amount of cash an active system that I can't audition or get serviced easily from here in New England. A very tempting option though. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.5 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler, iPeng Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
Just looked up those AVI ADM9.1s - they seem to be exactly what I'm looking for. Any others that anyone can recommend? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.5 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler, iPeng Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Powered Speakers Recommendations
Many people seem to happy with the performance of these products - but why do so many of them have to be eyesores? I understand that many of them are designed for near-field studio use - but one would think that having attractive products would make the studio a more pleasant place to work. The Audioengine A2s in my daughter's room have beautifully designed and constructed cabinets - but they would be much less conspicuous with grilles - which aren't even offered as an option to the best of by knowledge. I would love to see more loudspeaker manufacturers bring traditional looking, affordable active monitors to the market. I know Paradigm produced an active line years ago that critics seemed to love, but they dropped the line shortly thereafter - presumably due to lackluster sales. Can anyone recommend a line of traditional looking small active monitors - with quality cabinetry and no gaudy lights, switches, etc on the front panel? Couldn't they expand their market a bit by simply offering optional grilles? -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.5 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler, iPeng Sources: SB3 (2), SB Boom, NAD C542, NAD T515 Amplification: NAD C720BEE Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) Headphones: Grado SR60, Etymotic ER4P http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54559 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] room correction / EQ is awesome!
I agree completely with the positive impacts DRC can have on a system - especially if the speaker locations are less than optimal. I have a pair of rear ported Paradigm Studio 20s (from 1996 or so) mounted inside bookcases on either side of a brick fireplace to protect them from my daughter and bullmastiff. Despite the less than ideal location for any speaker, particularly rear ported monitors, the quality of the sound I get using DRC is amazing. I was looking for an excuse for years to upgrade/replace the Studio 20s (which I still love, but they've been with me for long time), but DRC has made me reconsider. Now that we can correct for some of the rooms interactions so easily using DRC, are upgrades from "entry-level" well designed and constructed loudspeakers really going to deliver significant returns? The only significant limitation I've found with DRC is the reduction in volume. My amplifier is already a little underpowered - and the need to take Inguz prefs back to -18dB or -19dB has taken a small amount of the fun out of higher volume listening. But with an infant in the house, how often will I really be able to crank things up anyway. Quality entry level audiophile speakers are so easy to find these days - mathcing them with DRC is a no brainer. -- esbrewer Server: 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo iMac running MacOS 10.5.4 Plugins: Inguz DRC, Sirius Radio, Album Review, SqueezeScrobbler, iPeng Sources: SB3, NAD C542 CD Player, NAD T515 DVD Player Amplification: NAD C720BEE Stereo Receiver Loudspeakers: Paradigm Studio 20 (v.1) http://www.last.fm/user/esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51046 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Χ Ο Δ Ε (CODE) format
I personally think Mellencamp is a great choice for something like this. He sells a lot of records, and has a history of releasing well-engineered recordings - despite the loudness race etc. In addition, a small but significant portion of his audience (at this stage in his career) might actually be concerned about sound quality. If Burnett were to have debuted this stuff with an emerging pop or rock artist - no one would have cared. And I think asking people to buy yet another remastering of a classic recording is getting long in the tooth. When artists that other artists respect become early adopters of new technology, such technologies have a better chance of taking hold. I just wish I could play the hi-res version of this recording with my SB3. I really enjoy it, and based on the generally positive reviews its getting I'm apparently not alone. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49956 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC or ALAC that is the question!?
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. If iTunes and other less secure rippers popular with the general public do not get hung up on such purposeful errors - where is the deterrent value in their inclusion? Or are the record companies trying to deter the admittedly small percentage of people in the marketplace who are concerned about their rips not being bit-perfect? Shouldn't their efforts be focused on deterring the common user? Ted -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49492 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple Lossless a compromise?
I debated going with flac as well, and tried EAC, foobar, etc - but ultimately decided to use iTunes and ALAC to simplify the workflow in adding music to my system. I just have more time to simply listen to music and think about things other than how many programs I need to use (and preferences I need to configure) to manage my files. I wish Apple would offer FLAC as an option, but until they do the simplicity of iTunes and ALAC is fine with me. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34122 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Just noticed (after finally doing some listening after all this grunt work) that the HF response in the right channel only is way down - to the point where I thought I had possibly blown a tweeter running the sweeps. When set DRC to "None" - the HF comes right back to the right speaker. Perhaps the graphs I posted are showing the left channel only, and the right truly is way down? The question is, why would the one channel be lacking HF? The sweeps sounded normal as I ran them. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I ran new measurements without the sub in my system, and the large dip around 130hz went away. The crossover must have been doing something odd - thanks for pointing me in the right direction guys. But DRC is still not acting on the upward trend in the HF. Attached are my new measurements (measured response, minimal, normal, insane). Any suggestions as to why? A couple of you appear to be suggesting (and correct me if I'm wrong) that the ecm8000 file is NOT being considered in the generation of the test convolutions. Does that mean that DRC may be actually correcting for the HF upkick in what I hear, but the test convolution responses may not show it? If so, are the test convolutions really useful in assessing how DRC is working? I assume then that the only way to TRULY measure the DRC impact on our systems is to take new measurements with the filter on? +---+ |Filename: measured-min-norm-insaneconv-nosub.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3509| +---+ -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;232034 Wrote: > Hmm, possible. I assume you're using an ecm8000 mic correction file? > > I wonder if you take a new Sweep w/EQ capture, using one of the > corrections that you've shown us here, whether you'd get a similar > actual response. I believe all of my .drc files refer to the ecm8000 correction file. I suppose that could have changed with a reinstall, I will check. I'm still surprised by the conformity of my min/norm/insane convolutions though. Time to take new measurements I guess. Something isn't right. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;231155 Wrote: > Hmm, that's the "Normal" test convolution? In the Inguzaudio\Tools > directory find the normal.drc file and open it in Notepad or similar > editor. Look for PSPointsFile; see what's after the equals sign. If > it's bk-3-spline.txt then I'm not quite sure why it isn't correcting > the slope of the high end more than it is. I guess the other thing I > wasn't expecting is how little variation there is in the convolution > (except for that dip at 150Hz). The smoothness of that line looks more > like an extreme or insane correction in my system. > I checked the pspoints file, and it is indeed set to the bk-3-spline target. I have no explanation as to why DRC is allowing the HF increase to remain. It is my understanding that the HFs are rolled off to varying degrees in the bk target files. I've been reading posts suggesting the ecm8000 (which I used) can be inaccurate in the HF ranges - could this be contributing to that uncorrected upturn? I also noticed the normal test convolution looked too "severe", so I have attached a new graph of my measured response (red), minimal (green), normal (blue), and insane (purple) test convolutions. Why would the differences be so subtle? Inguz looked at one of my earlier (different) sets of measurements and commented that I was getting an extremely linear response (especially through the mid range) and guessed that I was using a relatively high quality small monitor in a relatively "active" room. +---+ |Filename: measured-min-norm-insaneconv.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3484| +---+ -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Thanks for the input. My Paradigm Studio 20s run off the high pass out of a B&W ASW600 sub. It sounds reasonable that the crossover may be causing that nasty dip at 130, and contributing to the clipping problem. I guess I'm asking DRC to make too large a correction in that area. The Studio 20s cannot be moved from bookshelves flanking a fireplace location - as the shelving protects them from a sweet but solidly built Bullmastiff - although the bookshelves themselves could stand to be raised a few inches. I'm looking forward to trying measurements without the sub, as it appears it may be doing more harm than good. I will look into the overly flat normal convolution curve as well. It does seem to be a bit aggressive for what was indeed the normal correction file. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I played with REQW and think I have my impulse response measured and normal test convolution file in a form you can all get a good look at. These measurements were generated using a flat target file. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, Inguz DRC has improved my system dramatically, but I'm forced to move up to -23db to avoid clipping on louder cds. It also seems (to my ears) that DRC exaggerates the already compressed sound of some of these cds. Any thoughts on what I might be hearing? If I did this right, the measured impulse response is in red, and normal test convolution is in green. +---+ |Filename: graph.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3457| +---+ -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;228920 Wrote: > Hmm, okay, this may be a bit complicated, but if you look through this > thread (which I started, BTW! :-) ) you'll see some of us have posted > the frequency reponse curves of our own measurements and resulting > correction curves. > > All of the WAV files created by Inguz and DRC can be viewed in an > appropriate program. I use Room EQ Wizard (REQW) which is free and > available from hometheatershack.com. If you look in your \Program > Files\Inguzaudio\Tools directory (or if not this one, whichever one you > used to create the filters) you'll find the files that were created. The > Impulse_ResponseMeasured file is pretty self explanatory, but it is the > only one that needs to be converted before it can be viewed in REQW. > That's becuase it's a 32 bit float format, and REQW is limited to 16 > bit files or less. I use Goldwave to save this file off as a 16 bit > stereo PCM file (under a new name, of course). > > Now, even if you want to ignore this one, the other important files, > the ones with the TestConvolution in their filenames, are already 16 > bit files and can be opened directly in REQW. These will give you an > idea of what the associated correction curve will make your system > sound like. When I asked what filter you are using, that is which one > did you select from the SB display under EQ > Room Correction? Let's > say it was "normal". If so then normal_TestConvolution.wav will > represent what your system will sound like when you're using the > normal.wav filter. > > The reason why I asked to see the curve for your selected filter is > that - even though Chinanico and I have some concerns about the > accuracy of the TestConvolution files - it still may be good enough to > give us a picture of what might be coming out of your system (look at > post #36 in this thread). If you're using a filter that looks like it > produces a dead flat output, or maybe a bit of rolloff at either > extreme or a suckout in the middle - it may explain why you think some > songs sound dull. Of course there are other factors that can come into > the mix, but I find I'm learning a lot by trying to understand what I'm > seeing and connecting it to what I'm hearing. > > If you want to take the plunge into "curve-trace-itis" say the word and > I can walk you through using REQW, although there's a ton of info on > hometheatershack that will do a great job also. > > -edited for spelling corrections Sorry for the delay. I got REQW and converted the one file using Goldwave as suggested. I would love to post the files to get some input, but still have no clue how to get from the .wav impulses to a viewable image as all of you have done. I'm sure I could figure it out with some time playing around with REQW, but it looks as if there is lot to learn. Is there a quick procedure that will allow a novice like me to get my impulses into a postable visual format? I really don't want anyone to waste their time tutoring me on the ins and outs of REQW, but at the same time I'm curious to get some feedback from you all. If the only practical way for me to post is just buckle down and learn REQW myself say so, and I'll try to find some time. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I'd be happy to post the files, but I'm not quite sure exactly which files you're referring to, and what form (if any) they need to be converted to to be viewable. I really just followed Inguz's instructions to the letter to set things up - but don't truly understand what each component of the Inguz system actually is. Is the measured impulse response the file that ImpulsePrep created for me from my recordings? If so, isn't that a sound file? Do I have to capture an "image" of it to post? And the filter file - are those the files that give me the option of "normal, strong, minimal" room correction? If so, I've been using the normal one almost exclusively. I believe the last target file I used to generate impulses was the bk-3.txt file. The few (and they are few) flaws in the implementation of Inguz DRC for me may come down to the integration of a sub in my system. Perhaps there is a dip in my LF response that is causing DRC to try to boost more than is healthy - hence the need to drop down to -20db and still clip on loud recordings. One of these days I'm going to try DRC without the sub - but I just don't have the patience right now to reroute all the cables and remeasure. When I do, I'll probably find I don't need the sub at all. For now, a large bullmastiff dog requires me to keep my speakers mounted on bookshelves. Using the hi-pass out on the sub to run the speakers seems to cut down on some rattles and shakes with stuff on the shelves, and clears up the mids a bit. My modest system includes (pic posted in photo thread): Paradigm Studio 20s (running off sub hi-pass filter) B&W ASW600 subwoofer (running off speaker level) NAD C720BEE NAD C542 SB3 Sorry for my lack of technical expertise here. This is all probably more than you wanted to know, but if we all didn't find this stuff interesting we wouldn't be posting here. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I'm with mortod on focusing on notch filters rather than boost (maybe as an option?). Inguz DRC has dramatically improved my system, but clipping does become a problem. I am at -20db right now, and still have significant clipping due to many newer recordings being mastered too loud. My amplifier doesn't have much power to spare, and every db I lose to avoid DRC clipping is one I'd rather not throw away. Everyone contributing to this thread has a greater command of technical aspects of DRC than I do (I've probably failing to understand something as I write this), but it does seem to me as if DRC further dulls the already flat, compressed sound of newer recordings. For recordings that are mastered and compressed properly, Inguz DRC is amazing. For those that are not (the most recent U2 recordings come to mind), I sometimes avoid DRC and power up my CD player. But perhaps all of this simply comes back to the "garbage in, garbage out" type argument - if they would only stop ruining recordings to make them sound good in our cars... Do my perceptions here make any sense? -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Its funny - but I hadn't even noticed what was playing at the time I finally got around to taking some photos of my setup. I was fortunate enough to hear him perform live 6 or 7 times. In the time since his death, I'm sorry to say that I don't listen to his work as much as I used to. His recordings are all so different, and I'm realizing listening to them always left me eager to hear more work yet to come. -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe SB3 w/ Inguz DSP NAD C720BEE NAD C542 Paradigm Studio 20 B&W ASW600 +---+ |Filename: IMG_1486.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3274| +---+ -- esbrewer esbrewer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
