Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts
Mnyb wrote: > Sorry I wrote that after your first post reading your signature , I did > not see your further describtion . > But anyway now we know that it has a digital input , makes the product > even more versatile . Thank you . No problem. Actually, as one who for a long time subscribed to the idea that the best preamp is no preamp, I was surprised that either the DSPeaker alone or the DSPeaker plus Benchmark DAC sounded inferior to the (inexpensive) Little Dot Mk III, later replaced with the Mk9. In spite of which, when placed *after* DAC and preamp, the DSPeaker appears to be quite transparent to my ears, as you note, even though it has to perform both an AD as well as a DA conversion. Anyway, the DSPeaker still performs one preamp function, that of controlling channel balance, as the Little Dot has no balance knob. Regards, Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103942 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts
Mnyb wrote: > Hmm are you aware that the a DSP product connected in the analog signal > path must do AD then DA conversion again ? > . Yes, I'm aware of that, as my description (above) notes. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103942 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts
rgro wrote: > Thanks, Guido. So, in your system you have the DSpeaker connected to > your pre amp and then you go from the DSpeaker into your Music Reference > amp, right? And do you use just the RCA ins and outs on the DSpeaker > for those connections? > > I'm trying to figure out if it everything would still work properly if I > connected the RCA outs of the Benchmark (which I essentially use as a > dac/pre) to the DSpeaker and then the RCA outs from the DSpeaker to my > amp? if there's a better way to do this, please advise. > > Also, what is the length of the cord of the microphone that comes with > the unit? Just trying to figure out, if do pull the trigger on this, if > I need to order one with the longer cord or not.Thanks. Hello Rick: Here is how my connections are set up: DAC RCA out to preamp RCA in; preamp RCA out to DSPeaker RCA in; DSPeaker XLR out to amp XLR in; DSPeaker RCA out to sub RCA in. For quite a while I was using the Benchmark as both a DAC and preamp, with the DAC XLR out to DSpeaker XLR in. It was excellent too, but I found by chance (while testing some Sennheiser D800 headphones with the Little Dot Mk III amp) that the Little Dot in the chain resulted in a tad more lifelike sound. Either way, with the DSPeaker just ahead of the amp, it controls both my speakers and sub. The cable that came with the mike is 16 feet long. Hope this is the information you wanted. Best, Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103942 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: Floyd Toole: Sound reproduction � art and science/opinions and facts
rgro wrote: > I was going to ask a question which mnyb has touched on. It sounded a > bit to me like Toole was saying that room correction for frequencies > below 200 hz or so would be quite effective. Which made me wonder if > something like the DSpeaker Anti-mode subwoofer equalizer > (http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/anti-mode-8033.shtml) might be a > worthwhile investment for a home environment? Hi Rick: My experience with the DSPeaker AntiMode Dual Core had been very positive in my former (largish) Maryland listening room. But I found it absolutely essential in my current (small) California room. It took about two years of measurements plus trial and error to fine tune equipment and room, but it could not have been done without the DSPeaker. Previously, I had the 8033 model, for sub only, and though it was useful, it did not even approach the versatility of the Dual Core. Best regards, Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103942 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?
Squeezelite on Vortexbox Appliance>USB>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D. Best sound ever from my main system, so far. Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>ART ADC>Vinyl Studio CISCO Router>DLink Bridge>Vortexbox Appliance/Squeezelite>Uptone REGEN>Benchmark DAC2 D>Little Dot Mk 9 Preamp>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ/Preamp+CIA PS>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones Sony D100 amp>PSB alpha B1 speakers TREADMILL: FiiO X3 Digital Music Player>AKG K550 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72018 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How would you spend this "windfall"? (DAC question)
darrenyeats wrote: > Jez, Ikabob, > Did you try the DAC1 with attenuators set to 0db? I've recently > discovered this absolutely transforms the sound. (I find it both amazing > and disillusioning because Benchmark say the attenuators are transparent > ... they are flipping well not!) > Darren > > Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk 4 I'm not sure the issue is related to attenuator transparency. Recently, I changed from 10dB to 20dB attenuator jumpers on my DAC2 and the result has been an increase in clarity and lifelike quality of the sound. I suspect the sound transformation you experienced (as well as the improvement I noticed) are simply due to better synergy between the new attenuator values and the amp specs. But be that as it may, it seems clear that experimenting with different attenuator values can yield an even better sound quality than the factory setting. Regards, Guido F. MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge>Conrad Johnson Motif phono preamp-> Vortexbox Appliance>Actiontec Router>DLink Bridge>Ethernet>Squeezebox Touch/EDO>Benchmark 2 D DAC>DSPeaker Antimode Dual Core DRC/EQ+CIA PS> Adcom GFP-750 preamp>Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp> Martin Logan SL3 speakers REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)>Little Dot Mk III amp>AKG K701 headphones TREADMILL: iPad/SqueezePad>Noontec Zoro headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=99265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Review: TEAC UD-501 PCM/DSD...
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98749 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch + DAC? to drive my power amps
alec_cat wrote: > > > At the end of the day, you have to try things out with your gear and let > your taste prevail. +1! If there is one thing I've learned in more than 50 years of audiophilia, it's that although specs, reviews, and recommendations are useful starting points, one's system, room, musical tastes, and sound preferences ultimately are what determines the value of a choice or an upgrade. Personally, I subscribe to the idea that the best preamp is no preamp. Yet, in my main system I prefer the sound presentation with my preamp in the chain (see sig) albeit in passive mode and with the gain set to max over feeding my amp straight from my DSPeaker DAC/EQ. (The volume control in the latter seems more transparent than that in my preamp.) Best luck! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97595 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?
aubuti wrote: > Interesting point of view. I also value price-performance, which is > exactly why I prefer to do blind testing as much as is practically > possible if only to convince _myself_. Even if you don't go the DBT > whole nine yards it is often easy to do a less rigorous, but still > revealing, single blind test. Many of the differences I am sure I that I > can detect when I know what I am listening to (or tasting, in the case > of wines and single malts) either disappear or become a lot more subtle > when I don't have the visual/mental cues. > > On the other hand, in day to day usage the visual/mental cues are still > there, and there are many people who are unbothered in taking that into > account when evaluating sound quality or price-performance. That wine sure tastes not so great out of a styrofoam cup . . . Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96407 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Music To Your Ears
Archimago wrote: > A link but only to the 1st bit: > http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/01/28/130128fa_fact_gopnik > > Did he say anything surprising / new / controversial in the article? Can anyone write about such topics without being at least a little bit controversial? Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97909 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Music To Your Ears
A very interesting article by Adam Gopnik in the current issue of The New Yorker on the quest for 3-D sound reproduction, MP3, the meaning of music, and other musical questions. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97909 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Next Frontier
mlsstl wrote: > I'll have to mildly disagree. If the problem had never made it past > American Idol, I wouldn't know of its existence. I've even found some > classical records that suffer from the problem -- for example, I think > the Emerson Quartet's Mendelssohn recordings and Olga Kern's Brahms > Variations are too closely miked. The liner notes for the Emerson > Quartet recordings point out that 14 mikes were used to record a string > quartet! > > Plenty of modern jazz, folk and other recordings suffer from this issue, > though perhaps not as glaringly as the material marketed to teenagers. > I've worked a lot with Adobe Audition over the years and there is a good > match between what one sees visually on a track and what one hears. More > than once I've seen a modern drum track where there is absolute > uniformity in the peak volume of drum strikes. In older recordings that > type of track would have a natural variation in loudness that sounded > less in-your-face and, well, more natural. > > Just like any other fad, popular trends end up affecting everything. The > audio world is not immune from that behavior. It's just ironic that the > more headroom our music formats give, the less that is used. Excessively close miking has been a problem in some classical and jazz recordings, but if I understand this correctly, it's a different issue from that of the loudness wars. Just downloaded Mozart's clarinet and horn quintets with the old city quartet +, which is a bad example of wonderfully clear but horribly closed miking, in the most glaring 24/96 fashion. This is not new in chamber music, as shown by most recordings emanating from the old Philips studio of La Chaux de Fonds, the greatest performances marred by the poorest of microphone choices. The old Quartetto Italiano recordings come to mind. In general, though, jazz and classical recordings are mostly immune from the excesses of compression that are so prevalent in pop music. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97545 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Variable SQ - bad recordings or clumsy electronics?
TheOctavist wrote: > if you want the best SQ... > > treat your room. absolutely NOTHING else comes close in terms of > results, improvements. > > > far too many audiophiles ignore this MOST CRUCIAL factor, and spend > money on stupid things. This is good advice. But digital room correction in the bass region can also make a significant difference in mitigating room modes that room treatments may tame only at substantial cost and with considerable spousal disapproval. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97105 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Variable SQ - bad recordings or clumsy electronics?
ralphpnj wrote: > one of the all time best remarks about the often and much abused audio > hobby. Thanks! +1! G. F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97105 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Variable SQ - bad recordings or clumsy electronics?
wuffles wrote: > Interestingly, it seems we're nearly split between theories 1 and 2. > > Yes. But it does not have to be an either or proposition. It may be a bit of both. For me, enjoyment of recorded music starts with a good performance that is well recorded. If either is poor, enjoyment is compromised. Excellent equipment, as opposed to an average car radio, will only bring out the deficiencies in performance, recording, or both. Unfortunately, as the late J. Gordon Holt used to say, often "the better the performance, the worse the recording, and vice versa." That maybe too acerbic a judgement, but we're all familiar with examples where it holds true. I have myself taken a few bad recordings to a high-end shop (where I bought my speakers) and listened through mega-buck systems, only to realize that they sounded no better than they did at home. That said, the same recording sound at least passable through my AKG 701 system in my bedroom (see below), which tends to roll off both frequency extremes and is thus less 'revealing.' As for realism, the element that has made a significant difference has been the fine-tuning of my sub, achieved in part with the addition of a DSPeaker AntiMode Dual core DAC/EQ device to control for room modes. I tuned the sub's crossover and level not by listening to the bass per se, but by finding the setting at which the soundstage starts to be noticeably more three-dimensional. At that point the bass foundation is also automatically adequate -- at least in my system. It's been a lot of fun getting there. I wish you a satisfying journey as well! Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97105 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Variable SQ - bad recordings or clumsy electronics?
Hard to tell from the information provided. However, my gut feeling is that your equipment is just fine. Start listening to well-recorded FLACs of at least 16/44.1 resolution. I suspect that would make you happier than throwing money at "better" equipment. But I may be wrong . . . Regards, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97105 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter issue
garym wrote: > just a "computer" glitch. This can often be fixed with a xlinx chip > reset. (remove power to Transporter. Point remote at the transporter > while holding down the "1" button. while holding 1 button, restore power > to the transporter. On screen you'll see the "xlinx reset" message. You > can then release the "1" button. when finished, everything should be > back to normal. this is needed once in a blue moon. I've had to do this > once or twice in 3 years with the Transporter and maybe once with the > Boom. And same thing can happen with boom, SB3, transporter (i.e, the > old design models). Can also happen with the Touch. Can usually be fixed by rebooting (physically cut off power and replace). Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96535 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?
DSPeaker AntiMode Dual Core 2.0. This device is a DAC but it also provides automatic control of room modes in the bass region and a parametric equalizer, all in the digital domain. It can also be used as a (passive) preamp, though I prefer to use the active section in my Adcom preamp. See sig below. The result: sheer musical bliss. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72018 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz on Vortexbox Appliance
agillis wrote: > Inguz works great on VortexBox. I had some complex filters running and > it only used about 15% CPU load on my VortexBox Appliance. > > Setting it up is easy. The directions are here. > > http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Inguz+DSP Thanks for the information. I recently got a DSPeaker Anti Mode Dual Core, which does room correction automatically (below 500 Hz) and includes a parametric equalizer, all in the digital domain. It also incorporates a DAC. I'm very pleased with this unit, so I don't think I'll try Inguz, for now. Regards, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90789 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Surge protector question
As an extra layer of protection, when possible unplug everything at the first sign of a storm. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95953 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > No consequences other than that - I am interested though if other > settings with the same period time but smaller total buffer give any > difference in your mind? Thanks. Will check it out and report back. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > This is interesting. I thought you were using a period count of 4. In > this case the period count is so large it hits another limit (total > buffer size) in the driver. This means that the period size/period time > are constrained and in this case are far lower than even the default > values. So with these settings you are getting a period_time of 5.8ms > which is less than the default 10ms. However I also maintain you will > see this with both EDO 0.6 and 0.7. > > For this setting you will get exactly the same active values with buffer > time of 10 and a period count of 16. The limiting factor is the max > buffer size which is 32k bytes or 4096k frames. So by setting the > period count to 16 you are forcing the max period size to be 256 frames > which is 5804us at 44.1k sample rate. In this case you will get the > same values for any size of buffer time of 92864 (16*5804) and above. Thank you for this explanation. When I get a chance I'll try the same settings with EDO 0.7. I see no reason to doubt the active values will be the same as the ones for 0.6. But I'll check nonetheless. When you state that my current settings force the period size to be 256 frames at 44.1 sample rate, are you suggesting any consequences other than limiting the effective buffer time to 92864? Regards, Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > See post #54 in this thread - you should see the set of alsa params > which are actually used - as per the details below. The values actually > used are indicated with <, its my contention that you see the same > thing in the two cases. If so I can't see where the difference comes > from, but lets get some details of what is actually being used. > > Hi Triode. Sorry for misreading your request. But here is the return from the squeezeplay restart command (this with EDO 0.6, buffer at 9, period count at 16): Code: > Hardware PCM card 0 'MXC SPDIF TX/RX' device 0 subdevice 0 > Its setup is: > stream : PLAYBACK > access : MMAP_INTERLEAVED > format : S24_LE > subformat: STD > channels : 2 > rate : 44100 start_threshold : 1 > exact rate : 44100 (44100/1) > msbits : 32 > buffer_size : 4096 > period_size : 256 > period_time : 5804 > tstamp_mode : NONE > period_step : 1 > avail_min: 256 > period_event : 0 > start_threshold : 1 > stop_threshold : 4096 > silence_threshold: 0 > silence_size : 0 > boundary : 1073741824 > pid 367's current scheduling policy: SCHED_FIFO -sh: rm:: not found # pid 367's current scheduling priority: 59 > pid 367's new scheduling policy: SCHED_FIFO # -sh: pid: not found # pid 367's new scheduling priority: 59 > > # Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > Can you confirm the same is true between the two jive_alsa's files I > attached (which are the same as in the two downloads) > > > Please restart the squeezeplay application with: > > /etc/init.d/squeezeplay restart > > Can you confirm the actual buffer sizes this is using (see posts on this > thread on what the debug which is shown the the audio device opens > means) - I think you will find the period time somewhat less than > 9, but I want to know if you see this being different in the two > cases with the differnet jive_alsa files. (if you do I will remain > skeptical that this means you can hear a difference!) Restarted squeezeplay with above command, which returned the following: Code: /etc/init.d$ /etc/init.d/squeezeplay restart Stopping SqueezePlay rm: can't remove '/var/run/squeezeplay.wdog': No such file or directory Starting SqueezePlay # Squeezeplay 7.7.2 r9663 ALSA lib pcm.c:2202:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM disabled pid 367's current scheduling policy: SCHED_FIFO pid 367's current scheduling priority: 59 pid 367's new scheduling policy: SCHED_FIFO pid 367's new scheduling priority: 59 I'm not sure this is what you wanted. If not, please let me know. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > Can you confirm the same is true between the two jive_alsa's files I > attached (which are the same as in the two downloads) > > > Please restart the squeezeplay application with: > > /etc/init.d/squeezeplay restart > > Can you confirm the actual buffer sizes this is using (see posts on this > thread on what the debug which is shown the the audio device opens > means) - I think you will find the period time somewhat less than > 9, but I want to know if you see this being different in the two > cases with the differnet jive_alsa files. (if you do I will remain > skeptical that this means you can hear a difference!) Will do and let you know. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
cfraser wrote: > I still gotta say that 0.6 as heard here has something "special" to it. > I don't know how to describe it, but if the sound was an object I might > say "sophisticated/luxury". It feels very pleasant and personal. I have > some doubt about the accuracy of this sound, but I do like being coddled > in it so far. Not too hard and not too soft, just right. can hear that > overlaid tracks were of different qualities, or were clearly recorded in > a different environment. etc. :) I have done extensive comparisons of EDO 0.6 and 0.7 and for the most part agree with your impressions. For me and with my system, EDO 0.6 + TT3.0 + SBGK's settings with buffer at 9 and period count 16 gives the best sound. By "best" I mean sound that is well balanced across the frequency range, detailed but rich, without too hot a treble, engaging and easy to listen to for hours a time. Quite the high-end performance from a <$300 device! I appreciate Triode's skepticism about the improbability of the slight changes in the jive_alsa file having any sound consequences. His are powerful reasons. Still, I find it interesting that some of us seem (underline "seem") to experience different sound presentations. Placebo? Expectation bias? Maybe. Maybe not. I listen with Toslink out into my DAC, not USB. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU
Mnyb wrote: > I have a CIA linear PSU left over from my SB3 days that now power the > Touch , I can not recall or remember any great differences with the SB3 > and I just dropped in the Touchs as replacement . > So I haven't compared :D but as my system is today it does not show any > differences between reasonably built digital sources ( almost any source > you can buy ) My meridianG98 sound the same as the Touch on CD material > etc . > So not trying more third party PSU's with a digital source component is > not giving me sleepless nights, I would call it a waste of time . > > But your advice id a good one , audiophiles spent far to much time > tweaking the probably least tweakable part of their whole hifi system > the digital source . > (what they really do is tweaking the most tweakable part, their brain > ,but they would never admit that ) What? Tweak my brain? My second most favorite organ? * *Shamefully plagiarized from Woody Allen. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94418 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
lake_eleven wrote: > Anyone experienced EDO adding digital glare to 16/44 files? Not in my case either. I'm using EDO+TT3.0+SBGK's settings, with excellent results. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Triode wrote: > There has been some discussion on the Touch forum about the EDO app and > the potential benfits to audio quality from the spdif output at 96k and > below. This is not the primary purpose of the enhanced digital ouput > app but people have debated whether any possible change in audio quality > exists. I thought it would be useful to spell out what the changes are > that are in EDO. As I may speculate about any impact on sound quality, > I thought I'd do it here as its definately a discussion for the > audiophile forum... > > . Triode: Thanks very much for your thorough explanation. I'm not able to follow it in its entirety, but I think it's fascinating. Especially since your intended goal was clearly not to tweak the sound but to effect streaming of higher def files. And also many thanks for all your work. Those of us who are non-technical end users are indebted to folks like you, who do the heavy lifting for the rest of us. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
For the last few days, I've been listening to my main system (see sig below) with EDO+TT3.0+buffer=2+SBGK's priorities of 03-25-12. My impression is that there is an improvement in sound over the SBT+TT3.0 alone, very much along the lines of the improvements from plain SBT to TT2.0 and 3.0. More realistic tonal balance, better S/N ratio (blacker blacks), more detail more easily perceived, more three-dimensional and airy sound stage. The improvements are fairly subtle, but easily perceived upon listening to familiar recordings of a wide variety of music -- at least to my ears and on my main system. Of course, I have no way to attribute these impressions to any one of the above mods. But I'm grateful for the combined results and happy to post them in reply to the OP's request. Guido F. guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
@SBGK: Thanks for sharing your settings (posts #1817 & 1833). My first impression, after trying both, is one of more defined details and more sharply outlined individual instruments and singers, resulting in better imaging and somewhat deeper soundstage. The overall result is that of a more believable and involving musical presentation. However, in my main system, 1833 seems to be excessively tilted up in the treble. Not so in my headphone rig. For now, and to do some more extended listening, I'll run 1817 and will report back on any further impressions. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
rgro;697470 Wrote: > Gotta' vote with Jeff Flowerday, PasTim and HumanMedia. "No harm, no > foul." Soundcheck's mods and SBGK's mods to Soundcheck's mods are > entirely optional. People can try them or not and use or discard them > as they choose. I tend to believe that most folks here are intelligent > enough to understand that it's just experimentation. If someone tries > the various mods and, after a bit of listening time, feels their > system's sound has benefited, then great. If there's no perception of > benefit or it's detrimental, they can put things back to the original > Logitech settings. Each of gets to form our own, admittedly > subjective, opinion/perceptions based on our own experience. Why is > that such an affront? > > (I'd underline this if I could!) but n the context of this thread , I > don't particularly care whether the perceived benefit is real or > imagined. I understand that it could, theoretically, be neither, > either, or some of both and, in this case, that's actually just fine > with me. > > It only costs me a few minutes of my time---which is entirely my choice > to spend---to try these modifications. Anyone who's read even the > tiniest fragment of this and other threads can pretty much figure out > that, absent double-blind listening tests, getting to any conclusive, > objective evidence of a real positive change doesn't exist. So, then, > it becomes subjective and a matter of opinion--to my mind not much > different than my arguing that I like Mahler better than Mozart. And, > I personally think that's a kind of discussion that can and should be, > at the least, tolerated with the clear understanding that we are having > that sort of subjective discussion. > > Neither of these fellows is trying to hoodwink people out of any money > and, from the beginning, this entire thread is about nothing more than > the perception of better sound as a result of trying the various mods. > I see nothing at all wrong in continuing this thread. I find no small > delight---not in the hyperbole, rancor, and attacks from either side of > this particular issue---but in the very human quest to "make things > better". > > Really, if one objects to what Soundcheck, SBGK, and the various other > folks who've contributed their tweaks and mods here, pay no more > attention to them. Most of us already know that there are substantive > objections. The rehashing of those over and over again, along with the > personal attacks, is just as annoying to folks who enjoy trying these > mods as the "second coming" claims are to those who think the mods are > B.S. We've heard both sides ad nauseum. > > If the Logitech moderators feel the thread is genuinely detrimental to > the product, I have no doubt that this thread would quickly disappear. > Otherwise, please allow each of us to weigh the already-stated pros and > cons and form our own opinions. +1! Well put. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which Squeezebox?
ralphpnj;697227 Wrote: > If future proofing one's purchase is a major concern then the Touch is > the better choice because using the digital outputs one can then > upgrade to almost any external DAC, even one with balanced analog > outputs, or upgrade to almost any home theater receiver. Mind you, I'm > not knocking the Transporter, it's just that the Touch is a more > "future proof" device. +1! As a player into an external DAC the Touch is an excellent platform, capable of delivering superb sound. Even when used with its own internal DAC, it ain't chopped liver, by any means. And for the money, it's a bargain to boot. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94253 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can anyone tell me how the wireless protocol works?
stop-spinning;696100 Wrote: > Hmmm - I am trying to work out a solution that will allow me to stream > music files from my PC upstairs over wireless and preferably without > loss of audio quality - the SB Touch in terms of size and convenience > would have fit the bill nicely. > > However, what about the new NAD DAC-1, that looks interesting and is > geared up for high quality uncompressed wireless streaming. Whereas it > does have a DAC incorporated I will probably use it as a bridge to my > own DAC because it has SPDIF out. Apparently, the NAD supports audio sample rates only up to 48/16, according to the NAD site. And it has no display. The SBT supports rates up to 96/24 and has a display. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94101 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;695516 Wrote: > Well I'm back to no subs today. Got my brand new Focal 1028BEs. > > [image: http://members.shaw.ca/jeffflowerday/Images/1028BEs.jpg] Congratulations! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
eduardoo;694881 Wrote: > Thanks, Guido! > > Found it, did it, listened to it, liked it! > > Listening at early morning levels, I found the mod to have added some > meat to the bone for the standard TT3.0 (which added quite a bit of > clarity to the factory SBT's sound, but was slightly lean for my > tastes). > > Will listen at higher levels during weekend to see if the assessment > still holds true. > > Having played with the SBT for a week now, I have two questions which > puzzled me: > > 1. How do they build something so good for so little money? (I have a > Furutech power plug that costs more than the SBT!) > 2. How do people like Klaus, SBGK, etc. become so smart that they can > actually push the envelope of the already amazing SBT? Glad you liked the mod! No doubt the SBT is a terrific value. And lots of fun, too . . . Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
eduardoo;694608 Wrote: > Thanks, guys... and please allow me a very dumb question. > > Can you give me some brief instructions or point me to the right thread > as to how this priority tweak is done? I was lost amidst the hundreds > of threads about it (mostly about tweaks of the values) and can't > locate where the "instructions" began (i.e. commands or modifying the > files) > > Thanks. Try http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322&page=62 (post #616) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
darrenyeats;694542 Wrote: > Well, my sub journey continues. > > I have now settled on placing my sub at the same distance as my main > speakers (centre of driver > Not everything is better in the current position because a big room > mode lives in the crossover region. However, I have Helmholtz > Resonators managing that. Overall, it is better. Maybe I will play with > the gain a bit. > > Any advice or suggestions? Even random ramblings like mine are > welcome. > Darren > > Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk Personally, I found integrating a sub with main speakers is a rather frustrating journey. In the end, and in my room/system, the best result has come from NOT trying for "massage." Instead, I systematically tried a variety of gain settings at the minimum crossover (30Hz), then again at a slightly higher crossover. I focused not so much on listening for bass, but rather for correct timbres and credible soundstage. I found the DSpeaker (see sig) processor to be helpful in correcting for room modes. When I finally got piano music to sound close to that coming from a real piano, I stopped. In my room, the best sub location is on the centerline, about two feet farther away than the main speakers. Keep trying! Patience has it's rewards! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
eduardoo;694433 Wrote: > > Since then, I have been diligently reading through this thread (now up > to page 50 or so), and I see that they were then mentioning finetuning > of priorities. Given that I just downloaded my TT3.0 a few days ago > and I would probably need quite some time to go through the hundred > pages of threads, can someone tell me if those priority tweaks are > still required/applicable? If so, can you please point me to the right > resource for instructions (I'm a little confused by the numerous > replies)? Also, I see that there is a Dynabot mod out there that people > have applied in tandem with TT2.0. Should that be applied to 3.0 as > well? > > Sorry for being a little too anxious to get the answer, but your help > is appreciated. > > Thanks. To the extent that any priority settings provide any benefits, these are probably dependent on your system, your expectations re: sound quality, and the kind of music you listen to. So, there really is no short cut. Try a few, and stick with one you like best. Happy listening! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cfraser;693293 Wrote: > For those of you that use an iGadget to control your SBT, do you use the > ssh app that Klaus recommends? Is it hard to use? I only want to do very > simple things, like turn the display on/off say, or "tt -s" to see how > things are. Does it work sort of like the command window in WinSCP > (what I use now)? Basically an ssh app for my iPod will only save me a > trip up/down the stairs to my desktop occasionally, so it's not a big > deal functionally, just don't want to buy something I can't really use > without a steep learning curve (like some of these progs have). > Thanks. > > [I often use the SBT for internet radio etc. and don't want to > necessarily have a computer on. iPod ssh would allow me to do config > changes in that case.] > > Edit: to clarify, the app is called iSSH. There is a recent comment it > doesn't work with the iPhone 4S, and since I have the iPod "4S" (some > call it that...anyway the latest version) I was wondering about that > aspect too. Works fine on my iPad. No steep learning curve whatsoever. Yes, it saves going up and down the stairs every time one needs to make a change. GuidoF -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zoldar;693233 Wrote: > hi guys, > > I m a big fan of the toolbox. So tried to uprgrade to 3.0. > > did the factory reset and went to work with soundchecks site. > > only to find out that the toolbox does not unpack. > > > thisis what i get in putty > > # ls > touchtoolbox3.0-LAN.tar > # tar xvf to* > /usr/bin/tt > # > > now I have a bog standart touch :( > > any suggestions? > > oh touch firmware is 7.7.1 Try WinSCP instead of PuTTY. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
jaimeclifton;692312 Wrote: > I have just purchased a SB touch and have been looking around these > forums getting very confused about all of the many abbreviations and > options. > My question is simple; > 1. I have a SB touch and a brand new set of Tannoy floor standing > speakers. What is the best way of connecting one to the other, in terms > of quality of sound. My only source is going to be the SB and im going > to stream all of my music via Spotify. > Obviously im going to need an amp. Does this need to be an intergrated > amp or can it just be a power amp as im only using the SB. > Is it best to have an external dac (do you have any dac recommendations > under £600) and if so, do i have do disable an option in the SB if I use > one. > What is the best way of connection between the SB to the amp? Simply > via phono cables or should I use a coaxial input if the amp has one and > likewise with the dac? > All comments are much appreciated. And if you could keep the > abbreviations to a minimum that would be great as im a super newb. > Many thanks If all of your music will ever be enjoyed via Spotify, you will probably be happy with the Touch's own internal DAC and an amplifier with volume controls (no preamp). However, if you plan to listen to CD rips, downloaded CDs, or HD files, then you might consider a good external DAC and a preamp. My own experience with preamps include a simple stepped-resistor attenuator and a buffered preamp, both of my own construction, as well as the Adcom and C-J in my signature. Note that the Adcom can be operated both as a full-function preamp or as a simple volume attenuator. With all of these, the Adcom operated as a full-function preamp has the most convincing presentation of dynamics that I have heard in my system, thus resulting in the most realistic sound quality. By comparison, the simple volume attenuators produce sound that is just a bit too "polite" to my ears, failing to convey all the nuances and engagement of the music. Of course, as always, others' experiences may be different. Happy listening to your new Touch! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] new Decca and DG High Res downloads..
adamdea;692347 Wrote: > I saw those. My immediate reaction was to wonder why someone should pay > more for the 16/44 download £10 than they would do for the cd. Things > seem to have gone backwards in the last year. Passionato were selling > flac downloads at very good prices. Then they suddenly stopped the > special offers. Not sure how much business they are doing now. Passionato's prices were very good, but their downloads were (are?) often of quality inferior to CD rips. I did let them know my dissatisfaction, but in the end, seeing no improvement, I stopped buying from them for this reason. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93779 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;692118 Wrote: > Joel, > > That worked! Too bad I don't have your setup! Glad you solved the problem! Happy listening. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;692096 Wrote: > Moved to the other PC and installation worked but I now have another > problem. Upon rebooting after installation I now have no screen and no > functions via the remote. I tried unplugging the power as I had to do > that once during installation of the 2.0 version. After plugging back > in I get the Squeezebox logo for ten seconds and the screen goes black > again. I have no access to anything via remote or touch screen. Any > ideas? Can you verify (and report) what the tt -s command returns? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;691928 Wrote: > I found the console in WINSCP but can not get anything to execute. I > tried : root / root and the Touch address / password / 1234 All come > up witha ccess denied. ??? If you get access denied, it would appear that either the IP address is incorrect, the transfer protocol is incorrect, or the remote login in the Touch is not enabled. Everything OK with your network, router, etc? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;691936 Wrote: > The IP address that I'm using is that of the Touch. The server IP > address is not the same as the Touch if that matters at all. I wouldn't > think so. The transfer protocol is correct per the instructions and I > have the Remote Login enabled. I don't have any router problems that > I'm aware of. Maybe I should try it with another PC. I had a new HD > installed but the operating system is doing everything fine. In fact > I'm using the same Laptop that I used when I installed 2.0. I never had > any problems entering the 1234 password then. Everything appears to be > correct so I will try again tomorrow on another PC. I'll start from > scratch and report my progress. This shouldn't be so difficult and it > wouldn't be if I could get past the password issue Hmm . . . Forgot to ask: is music playing through your Touch? If so, the problem should not have anything to do with HD or computer. But it's worth a try with a different PC. Good luck! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;691918 Wrote: > Yes I did enable remoter login. I chose the program with the wireless > enabled since I'm not hard wired. I wonder if there's a possible > problem with the program? There is no problem with either TT3.0 version, as far as I know. Try using WinSCP instead of PuTTY, and remember to check the SCP box for transfer protocol. If this does not work, please report all the steps you have taken prior to reaching the no-go point. It does sound baffling . . . Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
zenieth;691913 Wrote: > My hard drive crashed so I had to start all over with a new drive and > installation of all programs. I used to run 2.0 and noticed that it was > replaced with 3.0 so I tried installing the new version. I can't get > past the login on the black screen after opening Putty. All I get is a > small green box where the cursor should be where you enter the password > 1234. I am unable to enter any data with the keyboard. At first I > thought either the TAR toolbox file or the WinSCP or Putty Program had > problems. I deleted and uninstalled everything and re installed > everything only to have the same problem a second time. I checked my > Touch address several time and it is correct. Could someone please help > me get past this problem ... HELP! Did you remember to enable remote log in (in the Touch)? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
richieleo;691355 Wrote: > Thanks Guido...I think Klaus has choosen not to accept PMs... Then perhaps you could post your question here. Someone may have an answer. Best, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
richieleo;691349 Wrote: > Klaus - I tried sending you an email but it bounced. :( How do I contact > you to send you a private mail? I cant seem to send private messages on > this forum. I just got a new Touch with my Mac system and need some > advice. > > Thanks. User CP > Private Messages > Send Private Message Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What outboard DAC do you use with Squeezebox?
SBT-> Lifatec Glass Toslink -> Cambridge Audio Azur 840C Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72018 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;691081 Wrote: > I played around with only one sub instead of 2 last night and the > difference was so tiny I'm going to return the second sub and put the > money towards upgraded speakers that go a little lower. > > I'm trying to move into a used pair of focal 1028BEs. > > My current 826Ws are -3db @ 40hz and extend down to 33hz. > The 1028BEs are -3db @ 34hz and extend down to 28hz. > > A little deeper bottom end and the Beryllium tweeter seems like a > no-brainer to me. :) A *sound* idea! Best wishes for musical bliss. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio GD DAC - Connection
Richard Reid;690843 Wrote: > Hi > > I am now the happy owner of a Squeezebox Touch and invested in an Audio > GD 3.1 DAC to hopefully get my hifi sounding pretty sweet. Unfortunately > no instructions come with the Audio GD DAC and I am wondering what the > best connection for sound quality would be from the Touch to the DAC. > There is the option of a toslink optical connection, rca conection or > coaxial digital connection (SPDIF I think ??). > > Does anyone have any recomendations on the best audio connection and > cable type for this setup ? The DAC came with an optical cable which I > have read is a bit average in quality. I have also read a few brief > comments stating that optical connections are not the best option for > audio. Any advice ? > > In regard to the connection from the Touch to my NAD analogue amp - is > there much difference in sound between rca cables ? What is a resonable > set worth ? > > Thanks > Richard IME Phil's advice is very good. I tried both digital and Toslink and in my system Toslink is clearly superior. The Toslink I use is a glass cable made by Lifatec ($60.00), which gives me excellent results. Among the moderately priced digital cables I tried, one made by Emotiva came at least close to the Toslink, but did not match it in terms of soundstage clarity and openness as well as noise suppression. Enjoy your Touch -- and the music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;690746 Wrote: > Oh, I already caved. I'm running 2 now. Well, I tried . . . Enjoy! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
TheOctavist;690676 Wrote: > multiple subs - **always** better than a single. this is widely > documented, and fact. > > http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/2011/13680.pdf Come on . . . Don't spoil Jeff's party! Let him enjoy his new SINGLE sub. He'll be just fine (for a while). Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
IME it all depends on the low frequency extension of your main speakers AND the careful matching of that to the sub's crossover. It also helps to have a way of taming LF room modes, either by bass traps or DSP. If your sub's crossover is set sufficiently low (30-40Hz, depending on slope), one sub should work just fine. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690297 Wrote: > I just noticed the Cambridge 840A in your signature, how do you like it? > I have the lower 650A, and it's a fine amp. I found the sound slightly > thin engaging TT3.0 when paired with my Focals. > > TT3.0 could be a really great tweak, but if my amp and speakers accent > the highs and not much lows, it could be the pairing of my equipment > that is the problem. > > You gave me an idea to try the Squeezebox in the basement where my HT > setup is located. I love the sound of audio from my PS3 -> Denon > 2808CI -> Angstrom speakers/SVS sub, so I am curious the difference the > Squeezebox analog will make if the PS3 sounds so nice. Then try the DAC > on the Denon and see how it compares. What I have is the CA 840C, which is a CD player/DAC. It's an excellent unit, IMO. I have no experience with CA amps. If you find your sound is a bit on the lean side, you may want to consider adding a good subwoofer. In my system, I did not detect any thinning as a result of installing TT3.0. On the contrary, I had to reduce my sub's volume to maintain tonal balance. Trying SBT and TT3.0 in your HT seems like a good idea. Good listening! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Munroe;690155 Wrote: > > > Not judging, just saying people have different "priorities". ;) Exactly. Sometimes the same person has different priorities in different parts of the same house. See my sig. One system with, one system without external DAC. Both with TT3.0. Each system delivers very satisfying, though different, sound. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
jmschnur;688469 Wrote: > Is the sound quality of the touch tool 3 affected by the simultaneous > playing of the 2nd touch on the same server? Not in my house. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
firedog: TheLastMan: cunobelinus: cliveb: et al.: Thank you all for your descriptions and suggestions. I'm learning a lot from them. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
cliveb;687363 Wrote: > > > When I eventually bought a CD burner (Ricoh MP6200S), it cost over £500 > and for that princely sum provided the blazing write speed of 2x. Blank > CDs were about £5 each in those days. (And to think some people look > back on the past with affection!) Ah, the 'good old days'! For an interesting take on our (sometimes misplaced) affection for the past, see Woody Allen's latest film "Midnight in Paris." Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
cliveb;687037 Wrote: > Been away on holiday but was interested to see this thread on my return. > I've been digitising vinyl as a hobby since 1994 (started on Windows > 3.11 with just 1GB of disk space, using a very early release of > Goldwave). I have tried a lot of tools over the years. For anyone > interested in detailed notes, there's a page I wrote up here: > http://delback.co.uk/lp-cdr.htm. I need to emphasise that it hasn't > been updated for some time, but that doesn't alter the basic > principles. > > 1. The first principle of vinyl ripping is this: it's a time consuming > process. If the album you plan to rip is available on CD, buy the CD. > Only rip the vinyl if: > a). The CD version is a botched job (bad transfer, hypercompressed > "remaster", tracks edited/remixed, etc); or > b). The CD is rare and costs a fortune; or > c). You are some kind of weirdo (like me) who actually enjoys the vinyl > ripping process. > Of course, if the album isn't available on CD, then you will need to > rip it yourself (or find a good quality downloadable needle drop on the > net). > > 2. The second principle is this: automatic cleanup tools can often make > things worse. Sure, they'll remove some clicks and pops, but often leave > behind undesirable artefacts. If you're serious about doing a good > needle drop, you need to do a lot of manual restoration. (Which makes > the process even more time-consuming, which reinforces point 1, > above). > > 3. Regarding the 16 v 24 bit argument: > A few people have commented that recording at 24 bit is worthwhile if > you're going to do any post processing. However, I would make the > following points: > a). There are some useful tools around which only support 16 bit. By > recording at 24 bit you deny yourself access to these tools. > b). The surface noise of vinyl is so high that even if you run several > DSP passes over a 16 bit recording the rounding/truncation artefacts > still won't encroach into the vinyl noise floor. > So my conclusion is that it is perfectly safe to do vinyl rips and > process them entirely in the 16 bit domain. Thank you very much for your detailed reply and the link to your very comprehensive review. Most appreciated! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Soundcheck Mods 3.0 with External DAC?
darrell;687072 Wrote: > Same here - I have found that the Cambridge Audio 840C player/DAC has > completely cured my source-neurosis. I can confirm that CA 840C is a great DAC with apparently excellent jitter rejection. Nevertheless, TT3.0 has improved even the SQ delivered by this DAC in my main system. As has been suggested, it's easy enough to try it in your system and decide on that basis. Best, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
gizek;686967 Wrote: > Steering the other way, I was thinking about used terminology here - > "ripping" in particular. It is so deeply rooted in our thinking process > that I'm having trouble to find anything else. Should we not use a > "dubbing" term instead ? After all we make recording of the record, are > we not ? > Ripping may be extracting PCM from CD audio data. Correct me if I'm > wrong. > Guess, anyway it is called, it is what it is, preserving music. Interesting point, but I'm afraid I don't have an answer. "Dubbing" suggests to me copying in the same format. But given that English is not my first language, maybe I should pass on this one. Anyone? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
lake_eleven;686970 Wrote: > Not meant to hijack the thread...Any suggestions on quality CAT6 cable > thats available in US, other than Meicord or Draka, both of which are > not in US. For a short run, I got excellent results with Monster, available et Amazon. Otherwise expensive. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device that makes the sound sound better?
Phil Leigh;686900 Wrote: > After speakers, the biggest improvement can be obtained by changing the > listening room and applying physical or electronic room > correction/acoustic treatments. > > Oh and of course find some good (well recorded/mastered) music to > play... sadly this is not as easy as it might seem :-) If I remember correctly, it was J. Gordon Holt who proclaimed the law that "The better the performance, the worse the recording, and vice versa." A bit extreme perhaps, but often true . . . Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93205 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;686606 Wrote: > > > Those resp. similar options will make the new prio profiles in TT4.0. > > Hi Klaus: Glad to hear you're working on TT4.0. Looking forward to it! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
maggior;686501 Wrote: > I've used the ART USBPhonoPlus v2. I think it's a great little device. > It supports both line level and phono level signals, with built in RIAA > eq. You can plug headphones directly into it, and it has a line out. Thanks very much for your detailed post. On the ART Website there is no information about bitrate output. One of the reviews on Amazon states: "A/D & D/A: 16 bit, 44.1kHz or 48kHz, USB selectable." Although I tend to agree that >16 bits is overkill for listening to files converted from LPs, I would like to have the option to record at 24 bits in case any postprocessing is needed. Do you know if 16 bits is max. with the ART unit? Regards, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
To all prior posters: Thank you very much for your informative replies. Lots of input to mull over . . . Any further thoughts will also be welcome. Best regards, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;686463 Wrote: > Folks. > > I do understand that some folks consider this place a nice hangout to > chat about this or that. > > However. AD conversion of LPs I really don't consider part of TT3.0 > anymore. ;) > How about changing the subject?? > > > Cheers Hi Klaus: Done. With my apologies. Any thoughts about a TT4.0? Best, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
I'm considering ripping at least some of my LPs to my Vortexbox Appliance for use with my SBTs. Here is Phil Leigh's reply to an earlier post. Phil Leigh;686417 Wrote: > Well, it was a while ago. I used my Linn LP12/Ittok/Troika into a Linn > phono stage then an Apogee ADC into a Digital Audio Labs soundcard via > s/pdif. I can't remember exactly what software I used - probably > FastEddie for recording/track splitting and DART for mild de-noising. > Most importantly, I monitored the process on headphones - speakers were > silent to avoid any acoustic feedback. Although the LP12 is reasonably > good at feedback suppression/isolation it wasn't by any means perfect! > > Albums were cleaned on a Keith Monks machine (thanks to a friend who > had access to one), captured one side at a time, then split into > tracks, then any severe "clicks" were taken out by hand (a very tedious > process!) by editing at/near the "sample" level. Then a mild wash > through DART if required to TRY and get rid of any residual noise - but > this had to done judiciously - it's easy to overdo it and wreck the > music. About 30% of my vinyl needed this final step. I only ripped > stuff I couldn't get elsewhere on CD at the time - although 3/4 of what > I ripped has since been reissued. The remainder was mostly obscure > rock/pop stuff that sold 3 copies when released... Tarney/Spencer Band > or Rockin' Jimmy Byfield anyone? > Hope this helps > regards > Phil I would probably prefer using some sort of USB phono preamp with internal ADC rather than a system similar to the one Phil used. Consequently, I'm looking for users' experiences with USB interfaces such as the *ART* USBPhonoPlus v2, *NAD* PP3i, or *Pro-Ject* Phono Box II USB Phono Preamp. Also, VinylStudio has been suggested as one of the best software solutions for this purpose. Your experience with this or others? Ease of operation and SQ of the ultimate result are my main concerns. Any information will be much appreciated. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;686417 Wrote: > Well, it was a while ago. I used my Linn LP12/Ittok/Troika into a Linn > phono stage then an Apogee ADC into a Digital Audio Labs soundcard via > s/pdif. I can't remember exactly what software I used - probably > FastEddie for recording/track splitting and DART for mild de-noising. > Most importantly, I monitored the process on headphones - speakers were > silent to avoid any acoustic feedback. Although the LP12 is reasonably > good at feedback suppression/isolation it wasn't by any means perfect! > > Albums were cleaned on a Keith Monks machine (thanks to a friend who > had access to one), captured one side at a time, then split into > tracks, then any severe "clicks" were taken out by hand (a very tedious > process!) by editing at/near the "sample" level. Then a mild wash > through DART if required to TRY and get rid of any residual noise - but > this had to done judiciously - it's easy to overdo it and wreck the > music. About 30% of my vinyl needed this final step. I only ripped > stuff I couldn't get elsewhere on CD at the time - although 3/4 of what > I ripped has since been reissued. The remainder was mostly obscure > rock/pop stuff that sold 3 copies when released... Tarney/Spencer Band > or Rockin' Jimmy Byfield anyone? > Hope this helps > regards > Phil Phil: Thanks very much for the information. In deference to soundcheck's request, I'll start a separate thread for this topic. (I'm looking for users' experiences with USB interfaces such as the ART USBPhonoPlus v2, NAD PP3i, or Pro-Ject Phono Box II USB Phono Preamp). Best, Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Ron Olsen;686400 Wrote: > Several users on the VortexBox forum like Vinyl Studio: > > http://vortexbox.org/threads/2184-Ripping-vinyl-and-other-analog-formats?p=12858&viewfull=1#post12858 > > http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk/ Ron: thanks very much for the links. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;686313 Wrote: > > > A much better test would be to compare a good rip of YOUR LP against > the LP. > Whenever I have done this - approx 150 times - I have never heard the > Touch sound worse - it has always sounded slightly better and the > reason is because the vinyl playback suffers from the effects of > acoustic feedback which the rip doesn't (unless it was done badly - > i.e. with the sound playing through the speakers!) Very interesting, Phil. I am considering ripping my LPs and would appreciate knowing which method/equipment you used to do your ripping. Thanks in advance for any info. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Folks, calm down. ;-) I was simply suggesting to the OP the possibility that, contrary to conventional wisdom (including my own), Ethernet cable choice may -- underline may -- play a role in sound quality. I was not up to testing, proving, predicting anything. Merely reporting my own subjective experience in the hope that it may be useful to someone else. Ok? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Ron Olsen;684637 Wrote: > I was not proposing a listening test with your fingers in your ears! Oh, good! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Ron Olsen;684630 Wrote: > > > Have you watched this video from Ethan Winer's Audio Myths Workshop? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ > > Then you will learn that hearing can be steered, and what you think you > hear can be affected by non-auditory cues. Yes, I have, and I'm fully aware of the fallibility of our senses. Just the same, I don't see any of us driving around with our eyes closed. ;-) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
aubuti;684621 Wrote: > Even suggestions for single-blind tests get the same reactions, or lack > thereof. True. And this disinclination in an "audiophile forum" is surprising to you? Yes, yes, -Consumer Reports- does hold double blind wine tasting, but how many enophiles do you know who would subject themselves to such? Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
garym;684617 Wrote: > > p.s. Guidof --I'm not directly this at specifically you, just all the > tweaks reported on these forums I _am_ relieved. ;-) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Ron Olsen;684610 Wrote: > In that same post, Phil says > > 'Generic advice such as "Use Cat 5 not Cat 6 to avoid ground plane RF > transmission/coupling issues" still stands.' > > So it appears that Cat 5 is preferable to Cat 6 to avoid RF effects > that could influence downstream audio components. > > Since you only spent $15 for the Cat 6 cable and you think it sounds > better, stick with it if it makes you happy. But the technical facts > are not on your side. > > I'd be more inclined to believe you if you could pass a blind listening > test with Cat 5e vs. Cat 6. If you're curious to find out if the > difference you heard is real or not, give it a try. Yes, it makes me happy. ;-) I'm not a technical person, but I thought Phil had provided some technical facts that seemed plausible to me. I was just as skeptical as you, as my OP makes clear. That skepticism does not, however, render me incapable of noticing audio differences. Having lived for half a century with audio-related choices made without the benefits of double blind tests, I don't think I'm going to start now. ;-) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
aubuti;684603 Wrote: > Maybe there's a typo or something, but now I'm puzzled about the results > of your test. In post #6 of this thread you said -"In my system, even a > better (Monster, $15) cat6 Ethernet cable did cause a significant SQ > improvement. I know, tough to believe, but that has been my > experience."- > > But in the post from last November that you just cited you said -"At > this point it's really immaterial which of the two sounds "better," but > for the record it's NOT the Monster."- True. At that point it WAS immaterial. Later, however, as I changed my subwoofer's settings, it became clear that the cat6 Monster was indeed the better choice. More (and tighter) bass, more open sound, better timbres, etc. Again, my main point is that Ethernet cables MAY yield some audible differences. Which is best, if any, depends, I think, on a variety of factors related to one's system. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Ron Olsen;684561 Wrote: > Any cat 5e or cat 6 Ethernet cable will work and produce identical > results. Spending lots of money on "audiophile" Ethernet cable is > foolish. > > You can buy terminated Belden cat 5e cable for around $1/ft. No need to > spend more. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/index.htm > > I'm copying my music and video library from one server to another on my > network over generic cat 5e Ethernet cable. 1.8 TB of data. All of it > will be exactly correct at the receiving end due to multiple layers of > error detection and correction in the data transmission protocols. > > Look elsewhere to improve audio quality. Spending lots of money on ANY "audiophile" cable IS foolish. That was NOT my suggestion. While data transmission is not affected by choice of Ethernet cables, that may not necessarily mean there is no difference in the audio one hears. (See my previous post and Phil Leigh's response on post #316) at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322&page=32 Would I rewire the house in search of improvements in the sound? No. But if I could test the difference with a short run of cat6, as I did, why not? It was only $15 and worth every dime to me. Of course, no guarantee it would work for someone else. But it might. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jeff Flowerday;683988 Wrote: > TT 3.0 with default TT 3.0 process priorities does come across that way > to quite a few listeners, including myself. I found that I like TT 3.0 > with all it's mods enable including a low buffer setting. But, with the > stock Logitech process priorities. > > They can be found here, I think you'll find that putting these > priorities in might give you want you want more than playing with the > buffer size. > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=680933&postcount=885 > > You can just change the values in the /usr/bin/tt file save it and > reboot your touch. The stock Logitech priorities are on the right, TT > 3.0 priorites on the left if you want to go back and forth. > > Find which you like better than play with the buffer value. +1. After much experimentation, that has been what has worked for me. Eventually, I settled on buffer at 4,000, but the difference with 20,000 is not significant in my setup. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
garym;683788 Wrote: > And guidof, I just wanted to note that I respect you for always being a > gentleman in these forums. We can certainly disagree without resorting > to the juvenile name calling we see in other threads and I appreciate > that. > > But a great young blues artist is about to hit the stage in the nyc bar > I'm in so I'm about ready to enjoy music the very best way: live and in > person. Thanks for your kind words. Well, we agree on live music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Replacing existing cables
garym;683769 Wrote: > No way at all unless your current cable is broken. Don't believe > everything you read here. That excellent advice applies to garym's opinion (and my own) as well. ;-) FWIW, in my system switching from a generic cat5 to a Monster cat6 made a significant difference. I was very skeptical, to put it mildly, that it would. I was wrong. But rather than believing or not, why not try it for yourself? If you don't hear any difference, you're only out of a few dollars. If you do, you will congratulate yourself that you tried. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92030 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
RGibran;683100 Wrote: > All my ex's and wife would disagree. > > YLMV :-) > > RG Very good! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
Ron Olsen;682975 Wrote: > This is an important video to understand how human hearing works. We > hear with our brain, not with our ears. > > Important takeaways: Hearing can be steered. Expectation bias > influences perception. We also see with our brain, but I would not try driving the Washington Beltway without looking! Your takeaway point is still well taken, but expectation bias affects both the perception that there is a change as well as the perception that there is no change. Some (most?) of the tweaks discussed in this forum may produce only the illusion of improvement, but some may not. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice please - upgrade priority
Ron Olsen;682979 Wrote: > A matching subwoofer to extend audio response down to 30 Hz will give > more listening pleasure than any of those other changes. I tend to agree with Ron's take on this. However, matching (integrating) a sub is not without its challenges. Room mode taming, an important consideration for decent low-frequency sound, will require room treatment for sound absorption (Tube Traps, or similar) and/or digital signal processing correction. I had excellent results with the DSpeaker unit in my sig. The validity of Ron's point also hinges on the type of music you mostly listen to and how fussy a listener you are. Don't overlook cables. In my system, even a better (Monster, $15) cat6 Ethernet cable did cause a significant SQ improvement. I know, tough to believe, but that has been my experience. Best luck! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92924 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help with wired setup please
Ambrose;682967 Wrote: > Thanks Munroe. > > Will look into bridge / switches. > Any UK recommendations (without being too expensive) for Bridge / > switch please that users have / like? Not bothered about being a > repeater if this is not necessary to get best sound. > > I have a Dac Magic 1 but am using analogue out as finding sounds more > dynamic / involving. Something must be lost on route with the Digital > out. > > Cheers > Ambrose I'm very happy with an Amped Wireless High Power Wireless-N Smart Repeater and Range Extender (SR300). $80 from Amazon (US). Not sure if/how available in the UK. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92907 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What's happened to Phil Leigh?
Phil Leigh;683016 Wrote: > Thanks for your kind concerns... I'm OK, I've been a bit busy recently > but I hope to rejoin you all soon. > Kind regards > Phil > > PS The Pink Floyd remasters I got for Xmas are very nice :-) Glad to hear you're well and enjoying the music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92925 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] lose of connection with Toolbox 3.0
Before you do anything else, try repositioning the antenna of your router. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92839 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
magiccarpetride;681544 Wrote: > Aha, so finally the mystery is solved! You've been wondering many times > over how come your findings do not align with the findings of the > majority of other positive thinking members here. Well, we're obviously > not reading off the same sheet of music here. In other words, we've been > comparing apples to oranges. > > By now it should be clear that Soundcheck's TT3.0 mods must be taken as > a gospel if we are to make any meaningful progress here. These TT3.0 > mods must be applied in their full entirety, after which we can start > looking into SBGK's and other people's tweaks on top of the solidly > implemented TT3.0. Picking and choosing off the TT3.0 menu, cafeteria > style, is only contributing to muddying the waters here. > > People who chose not to disable w-lan, or not to enable rollick, or to > leave screen on, or not to kill daemons etc., cannot properly evaluate > what SBGK is trying to do here. Nobody is 'properly evaluating' anything anyone is doing. All we are doing is an attempt to maximize our own listening pleasure and graciously (I hope) share our own experiences. No one is holding any Gospel! Given that we all have different equipment-room-ears-brain-musical tastes, it's not entirely surprising that we achieve the best results with different settings. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;681487 Wrote: > I was reading a thread the other day where a Logitech guy was > recommending that the SBT volume control should be operated near > maximum to minimise noise, something to do with the first few bits out > of the 24 being used for noise. This would require an attenuator before > or in the preamp, I guess. I use the dac volume control, not ideal, but > allows 100% volume from the SBT and direct connection to the power amp. I guess I'm just a bit lazy. My preamp's volume control is remotely operated, but it does not allow very precise setting unless one is willing to get up and turn the knob manually. Then one sits down, only to find that it'd be nice if the music were just a tiny bit louder (or softer). Then one gets up again . . . To avoid this, I'm willing to forgo the potential advantage of vollock, if any. ;-) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
rgro;681527 Wrote: > If there was a difference between 3200 and 4000, I could not discern it. > I'm going to put it at 3600 on the (completely unfounded) theory that > lower is better, but too low isn't so good. > > Sounds un-frikkin-believable. *rgro*: Amazing (or maybe not) how different our responses to these tweaks continue to be! I just listened to the first CD of the Gardiner's traversal of Bach's cantatas with SBGK's values and buffer at 20,000. Brilliant and absolutely mesmerizing. Keep enjoying the music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Ron Olsen;681325 Wrote: > A matching subwoofer for your system to get bass response down to 30 Hz > will give you more listening pleasure than endless tweaking of the > Touch. True. But what if one already has a matching sub? Why not then tweak one's front end? (And let's not pretend that matching a subwoofer to the main speakers does not involve a lot of tweaking) ;-) Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;681468 Wrote: > am definately getting more detail with 'volume controls adjust outputs' > setting, whether it sounds good will need more listening, sounds a > little louder than 100% setting, the 100% setting has a tighter sound > with less perceived detail. anyone else with a highly resolving system > care to try it ? this is with vollock on. While I mostly set the volume via my preamp, I find it very useful to make -minor- adjustments via SqueezePad, so I do not enable vollock. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
As promised, I listened some more, especially to compare the latest SBGK's values (with buffer set at 20,000) to the so-called Guido F values (with buffer at 4,000 as preferred by rgro). In my system, although the latter sounds very good, the former -easily- bests it. I tried a variety of music, some (supposedly) well recorded, some poorly so. SBGK's values consistently return the more gripping musical experience. As I believe he himself mentioned, one gets more easily carried away and forgets about paying attention to the audiophile minutiae we may otherwise feel inclined to focus on. However, if I may take just one example, Geza Anda's masterful rendition of the andante from Mozart's piano concerto no. 21 with the Vienna Symphony (RCA), here are some of my notes: - The bass is tuneful and well controlled, the midrange is better defined (than in the case of the Guido F's values), the treble is extended without glare. - The intricacies of the interplay between piano and orchestra are illuminated but the overall coherence of the piece is not lost. - There is greater transparency of soundstage, a greater sense of being at the performance itself. - Above all, the dreamy quality of the piece, and of Anda's performance of it, is conveyed effortlessly. Not a hint of listener's fatigue here. Of course, I'm always open to try new and improved version of these or other SW mods, but for now these settings have given me the best results and they have become my new standard. TT3.0 was a significant improvement over the out-of-box SBT. This is another step up. Not bad for a < $300 device! Many thanks to soundcheck, SBGK, and all the others who have contributed their impressions and experiences. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch/DAC redundancy?
Munroe;681776 Wrote: > Regarding DACs for the Squeezebox Touch, I am a new owner of one and > trying to decide on whether a DAC is the way to go, as I am primarily > running the analog out to my CA 650A to Focal 716V speakers. Do most > people use the SBT stock and then send that signal to the DAC or is it > tweaked via HW and SW first? > > Does it make any difference one way or the other? > > > > Of course it does. But enough of a difference? For whom? At what cost? Not surprisingly perhaps, on this forum you will find people who profess an external DAC makes all the difference or none, some who claim that if it does it only makes a tiny one, some who swear by all sort of mods, others that think believers in mods are fooling themselves, and so on. You are free to take anyone's advice (including mine) or not. But it's your music, your $$$, your system, your room, your preferences, etc. that count. Only you can say! And above all, enjoy the music! Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92801 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;681258 Wrote: > Guido F vs TT3.0 default > > Can't people see that they are the same? > > *Yes, we can.* ;-) Very closely the same, anyway. Mysteriously, though, they do not sound the same. But close? Yes. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
