Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
It definitely can. I saw discussion about it in the Acourate Yahoo discussion group. One of the treads is : Getting best reproduction from 5.1 setup using Acourate My best advice is to contact Uli from his site http://www.audiovero.de/en/contact-form.php Chris krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
You are right in the mass market software context. This software is for niche market, small volume sales and is supported by their creators. In the HiFi world 450 $ are peanuts ;) For me software which does crossovers and DRC for 10 channels at this price is still ok. I'm convinced that this is the most valuable expense in an audio system way ahead of any other piece of equipment. I suggest that anyone interested tries the free and paid software. The most important is to use DRC at first. Chris krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Archimago first I want to thank you for your work comparing different equipment and samplings and I followed it since I'm an early SB user (from SB2) but not anymore now. There is so much to say on that subject. I will try to summarize. I switched for Acourate for a lot different reasons. First I had the stereo only DRC version of Audiolense. When I wanted to go to Digital XO and I had to made choice between the both A... software. I read everything I could (there are some comparisons, maybe not complete but google Acourate vs Audiolense). I went to Acourate based on some good reports from very knowledgeable people like Mitchco and Bob Katz, both sound engineers. I can't compare directly the XO versions. I think that Audiolense is a very good package, user friendly but a bit too automated. Acourate is more open but with a long learning curve. There is no manual per se but Mitchco wrote some articles and the designer, Uli B., helps a lot via email or via the Yahoo group. Acourate is very powerful, not so friendly and not for a beginner or for somebody who looks for simplicity. But for a guy like you ;), no problem. The results are very good. This is the best sound I ever had and it is for 4 way with two additional subs and three horns from 250 Hz up.in a to small room. My friend made the same choice and it uses it just to DRC his commercial Focal speakers with very nice results too. Acourate produces filters in stereo (by channel) wav format perfect for any convolution engine. I use JRiver with 10 channels convolution. Chris krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What The Future Of Audio Might Look Like In A Digital World
Hi guys, I tried DRC and used Audiolense and now Acourate. I never had success with DRC with my horn system. It is very complicated to get it right even with DRCdesigner. There is so many variables Do you really think that Acourate is expensive at about 450 CDN? I don't . This is much less than any half decent DAC or any other hifi equipment (cables!!!) but the effects on sound are bigger by several magnitude . orders. If someone can get good results with free DRC then fine, but those commercial packages are very powerful and friendly and a must in case of FIR XO which I do. Chris krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103847 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ** High Bit-Rate MP3 Test Up! **
guit30 wrote: > I tried to download test to wmp from Windows 7, there was a codec or > something that would not let it play, any answers? > Jim Have you tried google search? lots of codec available for wmp krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97530 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
I have the older 3.1 version, as I remember not any typical curve was supplied but maybe I erased them ? Anyway it is easy to built a curve using just the measurement and the mouse. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;692437 Wrote: > Wow - I'm really confused now. > > So you were using a target curve from someone else? - ouch. > > You SHOULD be using the target correction curve that AL generates for > you, based on its desire to flatten your measurement curve. Sure you > can tweak that curve a bit (for example, most people like to roll-off > the top end a bit) and you need to adjust the overall gain (vertical > scaling/position) of the curve to avoid any large corrective boosts - > you may not have any of these. > Phil I'm a bit confused by your repaly. AL generates a target curve? I don't remember the begining of AL use but I trace the target curve myself in the target window based on the measurement. I try to match the bass and treble to the capacity of my system to avoid lareg boosts, then I make a slope somethning like 8 dB from 50 Hz to 10 kHZ . I dont think Quad used someone else DATA , maybe only a curve which is not such a big mistake as it appears from your repaly . Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Quad are you using a mike correction ? different corrections for horizontal and vertical positions ? According to the previously referenced tread http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/119164-ecm8000-orientation-speaker-measurements.html , the FR response varies a lot. In vertical position there is a very sharp drop above 10 kHz when in horizontal there is a bump! -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
In my previuous messages when I was saying phase I should have said polarity, normal or inverted. I found some interesting comments in the Audiolense help: (images not included). All corrections in Audiolense are made such that all speakers and drivers have a positive polarity after correction. Therefore, polarity check and peak identification are important input from the measurement to the correction procedures. There are a few speakers out there where the polarities of the speakers are ambiguous. By default, Audiolense detects the first significant peak. The first impulse response below is regarded as having inverted polarity, since the first significant spike is negative. The second a woofer - has a first significant peak that is positive, and is thus regarded as having positive polarity. The timing of the two speakers is associated with the identified peak. The polarity check and peak identification will be effective in most circumstances. But under certain conditions and with certain correction procedures the peak identification may fail and the correction will be less than optimal. It is possible to disable the automatic polarity correction from the main form under the Measurement menu. When the automatic polarity correction is disabled, Audiolense will work on the premises that all speakers and drivers are connected with positive polarity and will use the first positive spike for timing reference. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;691794 Wrote: > I am using quite old vintage AT1 speakers from PE Leon. These are two > ways bass reflex floorstand speakers and I am quite happy with them. > However, one of the tweaters has been damaged by a chair and is a > little bit disformed. Probably due to this, I noticed with Audiolense a > drop in frequency response above 13 khz on one channel that is not > corrected by the RC filter. Strange is that this drop does not seem to > have an impact on soundstage integrity without RC. > > Without RC, I have the most realistic image when my head is let say at > 30 cm from the back wall. Unfortunately, I did last measurements > further from the wall and this might be why the result is not that good > with RC. > > Another strange result is that I get a delay of 1.6 ms between > channels. Given this corresponds to a distance of 0.5m at the speed of > sound, I suspect difference in mic distance from each speaker is not > the main cause of the delay. Can phase shift between channels due to > wrong mic orientation be the cause? Again, if I have a good soundstage > without RC, wouldn't it be better not to compensate for the delay? I > will give it a try. Now you are talking ;-) PELeon? I know it very well. I used to have the Intégrale but get bored of the HiFi sound and went high efficiency and horns way. You speaker is two ways. The impulse response and the delay are established following the highest peak. This peak is dominated by the tweeter. If one of the tweeters doesnt work well, the calculated delay is false and applies only to the tweeter. The woofer which plays more than half of the sound is not well corrected/aligned to the tweeter. As I said, sound image should be much more focused after the DRC correction because speakers get time aligned and phase corrected. Try this: change the frequency range of the measurements and measure woofers and tweeters separately, observe the calculated delay. Are they the same? 1.6 ms is a lot of misalignment, not normal for equidistant speakers. Something is wrong. DRC is very precise in spot correction but the measurements have to be good enough. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Very interesting Quad, will try the vertical position and different rotation with my mike (not a Behringer but similar). Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;691686 Wrote: > I have a similar case as yours. My listening position is in a sofa close > to the wall and I loose focus when applying RC. Not sure though that a > better mic would improve that much the sound. Probably a directional > mic can help as suggested by Phil. I was also thinking about placing > some kind of absorbing material behind the mic to attenuate the > reflexion on the back wall. I'm listening in the exact same position; my head is around 30 cm (a foot) from the wall. I installed an acoustic panel (25 mm thick) just behind. I'm using an Apex mike, omnidirectional (nearly all those mikes are made from the same W61 Panasonic capsule), pointed between the loudspeakers. In my system the sound is more focused (centered) with the DRC correction than without! What I'm saying is that the near wall position is not the cause for the focus problem, nor is the omnidirectional mike. I never heard that somebody has used a cardioid mike for speaker measurements, but I'm not an expert. Look at those results, same behaviour for all of them, Behringer is good enough. http://www.realtraps.com/art_microphones.htm , read carefully, the mikes curves ARE flat, the measured source is not. A word about my system, it is a 5 way system, tapped subwoofer horn, two direct bass drivers and horns for medium and highs, digitally crossed and time aligned BEFORE the DRC application. This system is TOTALLY flexible, even too much since I'm able to obtain the best or the worst depending of my errors. A typical error would be a phase inversion on one channel, DRC cannot correct that, the obtained filter is wrong and the sound becomes unfocused, not in phase. DRC has its limits. Evdplancke, what speakers are you using? Try different mike orientations. Check the impulse response, are both channels similar? Ask Brent from Audiolense, send him your measurements. With Audiolense it is rather easy to get good filters compared to the DRC itself. It takes me 5 minutes ;-) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;691573 Wrote: > I've tried DRC Designer to build up Inguz convolution filters for my > Touch. It helped to build up the RC filters on an easier way, but did > not help to get better results: none of default generated filters give > a correct sound (still horrible cavernous/distorted sound). > > Then I tried the evaluation version of Audiolense: once setup, it is > even easier to do the measurements and to build up the filters. But at > the end, I am quite disappointed by the results: I lost the brightness > and crisp of my treble and, even worse, the soundstage was broken. With > RC filters, my left-right channels get clearly separated and my speakers > become "visible" again, like I lost the "center channel" and the whole > spatial representation gets broken. > > Does anyone have an advice to imrove my results. I see currently two > possible issues? > 1) I did not use mic calibration file in Audiolense and since the > treble response of my mic is quite high, it is probably too much > compensated by RC (this is for the treble issue). Does anyone have a > decent calibration file for Behringer ECM8000? > 2) I positioned my mic on my central listening position without exact > measurements of the distance between the mic and the speakers. Maybe > the mic was not exactly equidistant from the speakers and the phase > correction of RC filter moved the stereo focus point away from my > central listening position. Does it seem plausible? I am also thinking > of using string to position the mic exactly at the same distance from > both speakers. Does it make sense? > > Conclusion: even if I know that my room frequency response is all but > ideal, this is the one that gives me the better sound right now. > Achieving good results with RC seems rather tricky for me. As I know DRC is very intolerant to distance differences of the speakers to the mike. Have you checked that? Audiolense, my experience: what you describe is for me a typical phase misalignment result. Can you check that all your channels in the speakers are in phase? Have you checked your speakers with a phase alignment record (I use Stereophile test CD track 17). I have 5 channels speakers; even one driver with inverted phase gives the described result. Another possibility would be a major time misalignment of the drivers, it gives the same result. Audiolense cannot correct for such major misalignments. Normally the center image should be even more on focus than not corrected. 1. Yes Behringer mike should be corrected since it is hot above 8 kHz, there isn't a "Typical" correction but you can use the attached file 2. At the end of the measurement Audiolense gives you the channels time difference, it is right to the upper frequency range in the upper part of the measurement window. The difference will be 0 if perfectly centered but as Phil said it is not a strict necessity. Chris +---+ |Filename: generic ECM8000-CS.cal.txt | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13085| +---+ -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Thanks Phil, you are right on both issues. Yes I also thought about the XO version for the extra features but I find the price high for an uncertain gain. My DCX allows time correction for each channel so I don't really need it from Audiolense filter. I also don't like too much his (Brent from Audiolense) policy of annual upgrade fees. It starts to cost a lot to get the bugs fixed (and honestly also some new features). -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil how do you plan to use the XO audiolense functions? If I understand the thing, you would need a multichanel computer soundcard/dac (a computer) AFTER the Touch in the same maner as I use DCX2496 for crossover functions. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;690924 Wrote: > When recording sweeps for measurements with Audiolense, where do you > connect your PC to your system? Is it recommended to use the DAC as > external soundcard and a digital recorder (like Olympus LS or Tascam > Zoom) as audio input, both connected to the PC with USB? I have read > that not using a duplex soundcard can degrade quality of the > measurements, but is it still the case if using good quality DAC and > recorder? > The advantage of measurements with Inguz by playing sweeps from the > Touch was to correct the whole chain including the Touch. Is it not > possible with Audiolense? You are right it is not possible to use Touch to play the Audiolense signals! There is a touch plug-in called Waveout which permits that but it doesnt work if Inguz is installed, they are incompatible! Im using a Maudio external Firewire card. I send spdif signal to the dac and record it with the Maudio card. Yes Touch is not in the measured chain but it still gives very good results with Audiolense. What is important is that the speakers are equidistant from the mike (Audiolense gives you the delay between channels and this delay has to be very small, something like 0.02ms) Ideally to get the best results from DRC the room has to be acoustically treated and speaker at least roughly time aligned (if actively crossed). The results are spectacular! DRC corrects amplitude, phase and time alignment although only for the measured position. Chris PS duplex card is not a must but the signal must be generated by the analysing software (Audiolense) in order to build the impulse response. Theoretically Audiolense can accept imported files but I didn't succeed to make it work, i.e. to record trough Touch with Audacity for example. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
evdplancke;690720 Wrote: > Result: no noticeable improvements/deterioration on orchestral music but > horrible cavernal sound on voices with a lot of metallical echo and back > layed voices.. No clipping in log.txt. > > Hello, I'm using the digital correction since many years. I had the same experience that you with DRC. DRC is VERY picky with the room recordings. 90% of the time I got the sound you described. This has steered me towards Audiolense and I passed the good news to others ex Phil. If you still want to try DRC try it with this nice UI: http://www.alanjordan.org/DRCDesigner/HelpFrameset.html Al Jordan knows what his is doing, read and learn. It isn't as easy as Audyssey alignment even with Audiolense; you still have to build the target curve. DRC can be very beneficial and powerful but I warn you that it takes some time to accustom yourself to the new, correct sound. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Roesty56;680406 Wrote: > Hi Klaus, > I am new to this forum. > > I don't regard myself as a DAU (German readers know this abbr.), but > today I spent hours with reading your instructions, installing, etc. > Although you said it is for users of all levels, I find it quite > challenging. > > I ended now at the point that my touch does not boot at all. > It happened right after initialization tt -i. > I did a power reset by unplugging the power cable ... but it does not > help. > > After replugging the power cable the Logitech icon is shown for a few > seconds(like usually shown when booting), then the screen turns to > white and then the touch is switched off again. > > How can I reactivate the Touch? > The TT3.0 deactivate the screen as a standard feature. Only the screen is shut off, it also shuts off the remote. Log to the Touch and just do tt -x, the screen should start working again. To reactivate the remote type tt -ir . -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
and those magiccarpet ;-) interconnects are ? -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
a.diabelli;676597 Wrote: > The problem is that I don't like the LMS GUI, can someone point me to an > alternative application, plugin or a skin to use on the server? I know > there are android/ipad-iphone solutions but I don't own a > smartphone... > > Sorry for the dumb question (probably a little bit OT...) but I'm new > to the Logitech world... > Marco , this free software can do it as a basic player, you can place a screen near the Touch and control it with a wireless mouse or similar http://www.rusticrhino.com/drlovegrove/ -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cheetah;675098 Wrote: > If for permanent change, where should that line be added to rCS file? > Or just append at end of the file? thanks I just changed the value in the rcs TT3 file not added the line . it was near the bottom of the file if I remember. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
In the usual way: in Winspc control console you type chrt -f -p 1 367, this makes on the fly non permanent change -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Hi guys, I tired on two computers and have the same difficulty, the imbedded pictures doesnt display at all. A lot of settings are shown on those pictures. Does anyone have the same problem? BTW I think that TT 3.0 deserves it own tread Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Tom186;642261 Wrote: > > * I also installed one of these clocks: > http://www.squeezeboxupgrades.co.uk/newtouch_upgraded.shtml ... this > time, the effect waspretty big. The overall tonal balance was tilted > from "slightly bright" to "very very neutral", and there is a much > better balance of detail (details fall into place better) and more > depth in the soundstage. Original SBT had a little more oomph, though. > I did AB-testing, I have 2 SBT here, one modded and one unmodded. > > Is this a DIY mod ? nothnig is said on their site. Is it delicate to do ? Chris BTW the Touch clock and the layout are supposed to be of very good quality which expalins the difference with SB3. Did you tried to compare using ADM ? -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
I use the same router and also a cable connection. I applied full toolbox tweaks and never had any problem, my buffer is arround 4000 as I remember. But I got crackling sound with lower buffer setting. Sorry but I don't have an easy answer except that it should work. And I still use 7.5.3 SBS, 7.5.4 revision had some issues Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
So the -b 24 string was written in a wrong place, that's all ? ;-) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
I haven't tried, my 24 bits files are random distributed in my library, I have to find them first. I will try tonight, North America time -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Phil I have the same problem, I installed the new plugin.pm and modified the convert.conf file with -d 24 parameters and only got noise from the Touch. The Inguz log does show nothing, Inguz does not start and no inguz.exe running. I will investigate further today . Are you shure that plugin.pm is not always active ? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
working fine with XP SP3. If that can help someone Chris +---+ |Filename: Plugin.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11651| +---+ -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
johann;623511 Wrote: > Would you mind uploading your Plugin.pm, please? Yes of course in the evening estern american time = late in Europe -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
I'm conservative I'm running 7.5.3, on XP . The Inguz menus appear as EQ in the Touch Extras menu ans on SBS. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi guys I have good and bad news. The good one is that on my Touch all the menus are working, filter selection, test tones, EQ name it; everything is accessible from the screen and the remote. The bad one is I don't know why mine is working ;-(( The only thing I can make to help you is to publish my setting files like custom. convert etc... Phil which ones are important ? Chris Ps the only bug is that I don't see EQ in the plugins menu of the Touch on SBS interface -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Active Crossover as plugin or otherwise
Mini DSP can take the digital SPDiF output and process it. The limitation is the 48 kHz sampling rate. I even don't know if it can handle the 96 kHz signal . The advantage is you can make nearly any kind of filter or DSP with them . Chris Ps another interseting processor for crossovers and EQ is the Xilica 4080 ca 1500$ http://www.xilica.com/?c=78&cat=1&id=1 -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question
To Phil : I persist with the word flaws even if often mild, they know them and cover them with those burn-in time claims. After 500h hours you get accustom to the sound and chances are you wont complain. IMO any equipment delivers 97% of his quality right from the box reflecting the quality of the design and components. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another trollicious question
Curt962;618464 IMO...people acclimate TO the sound, rather than any actual change IN the sound. QUOTE Wrote: > > > I'm 100% with you on that and always thought that any manufacturer who > claims burn in improvement is just covering the flaws of his design > knowing that there acclimatisation TO the sound and thus avoiding > prompt returns . > Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Phil I think you know what to do , please post your custom-convert file with Xes in place of your MAC addresses and add some instructions if we want to stop answer the same question again and again ;-) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Is the MAC address 00:04:20:1e:01:7c in your custom-convert.conf the address of your actual player? Oh I see that you have another player too 00:04:20:22:01:8e. Are they your players (SB units) or do you have copied the custom-convert file from this tread? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Toverify that Inguz is realy working and doing something look at the log.txt (scroll down rt the last records) in the Inguz folder usually on C:/docs and settings/allusers (under windows) Chris PS when Inguz is installed properly, all the Inguz menus appear in the Touch Extras menu and in the server interface -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Phil Leigh;617004 Wrote: > Chris - Where is the "Extras" menu on the Touch? I guess it onlt appears if some applet or plug-in are installed. On my Touch I have custom clock and EQ ( the name of the Inguz in the menu) under Extras in the main Touch menu chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Adamdea wrote: 2. Given that my PC is in a different room fro the stereo: the web browser control isn't much use: can I control the inguz EQ settings on the touch itself or via Ipeng 3. I have't actually worked out what effect the web- browser EQ settings were having (it was getting late by then). Forgive me if I am being stupid but are -figures for balance supposed to make the left channel louder relative to right or less loud? to 2 yes of course, you will find Inguz EQ under Extras menu on the Touch to 3 Negative values increase the level on the left chanel, positives in the right one Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!
Hi Phil, as you know I use Audiolense for filter generation and Inguz. To be honest Inguz is just a convolver here; the merit goes to Audiolense algorithms, isnt it? Chris BTW although the DRC corrects the alignment of the drivers, my experience is that it works even better if the drivers are aligned through a DCX first. The same is true for room acoustic treatments. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84995 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
+ 1, digital only -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 5 way speakers anyone?
I tried, two cones a 15" and a 12" and three compression drivers with horns, digital crossover and active of course, 2 to 2.5 octaves by driver. A bit to much for domestic use, very hard to set up. I downsized it to "only " four ways ;-)) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85025 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!
Phil Leigh;604729 Wrote: > > I presume I can use Audiolense to generate files that can drive the > Inguz convolver... ? exactly so , wav file and in a much easier way than in DRC, especially the target can be drawn very easly, but it is not free Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84995 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!
Hi Phil, I don't use Inguz tools any more, I use Audiolense now, but from what I remember the right channel records the sweep which is further used by the impluseprep to generate the inverse signal required to calculate the impulse response and then the impulse response of the correction filter. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84995 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
rbl;604105 Wrote: > - I dind't update the Inguz version number as kryzs suggested (I have > the latest Inguz from Inguz's website installed) > > I edited my post and dropped this recommendation, forget it. It isn't necessary since the only change between the 30 and 32 versions is the plugin expiration date removal by Inguz Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi Phil, when you are publishing custom-convert file shouldnt you tell
people that they cannot use it directly since it contains the MAC
address reference of your device i.e. 00:04:20:22:01:8e in the posted
file? and maybe also the Inguz version i.e. 0.9.30?
For some unknown reason when I install Inguz (0.9.32 last version) with
SBS7.5.2, it does not register my Touch and thus don't create the new
custom-convert file. I had to hack the previous custom-convert file by
manually replace the MAC address of my previous SB2. After that it
works perfectly either on Touch and or SBS display.
>From the last Phil's custom-convert file we need only those lines:
flc flc transcode 00:04:20:22:01:8e
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=rate -v -s 96k}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -q -v0.965 -t wav - -t wav
-C 0 - rate -v -s -M -a 96000 | [InguzDSP] -id "00:04:20:22:01:8e" -wav
-wavo -d 24 | [flac] -cs -0 --totally-silent -
flc flc * 00:04:20:22:01:8e
# FT:{START=--skip=%t}U:{END=--until=%v}D:{RESAMPLE=rate -v -s 96k}
[flac] -dcs $START$ $END$ -- $FILE$ | [sox] -q -v0.965 -t wav - -t wav
-C 0 - rate -v -s -M -a 96000 | [InguzDSP] -id "00:04:20:22:01:8e" -wav
-wavo -d 24 | [flac] -cs -0 --totally-silent -
And one has to add those in front of the original flc flc line : #
#flc flc
It worked for me. I'm not an expert thus forgive any possible mistake,
but maybe it can help some of you.
Chris
BTW there is also an Inguz version reference line in the plugin.pm
file:
# -- names and versions --
# Revision number.
# Anytime the revision number is incremented, the plugin will rewrite
the
# slimserver-convert.conf, requiring restart.
#
my $revision = "0.9.30";
I replaced it with 0.9.32
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Firedog thanks for the question, it made me do some search and discover the Waveinput plugin for SBS. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/WaveInput_plugin In theory it let you send the soundcard output to the SBS. If it works the test signal from Audiolense could then be sent to SBS and recorded with the SB box in the chain. I will try it but it is not a very friendly plug-in and some parameter have to be carefully monitored ex sample rate Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Ok I will try to explain, sorry for my basic English. Ideally when measuring your system/room response, you want to include all the components of your audio chain. With Audiolense (and many many measuring software), the measuring signal is generated by the software and you cannot play it trough SBS and SB box. You have to connect your soundcard directly to your system bypassing the SB box. The measured signal, which is used to generate correction filters, does not include the irregularities of the SB box, thus this one have to be perfect ;-) Audiolense is very easy to use but is not very competent in exporting or importing recorded responses thus response recorded outside of the Audiolense is very hard to use. . There are other ways to record signals and generate correction filters but they are very annoying in use and very prone to faulty settings and processing. I dont know Accourate but it is a bit costly 290 Euros (including crossovers which I dont want) compared to Audiolense at 170 Euros, maybe it is better but it also wont play the signal through the SB box. Completely free version is the DRC software, but you have to know DOS and have to mess a lot to get it work. This software also does not play trough SB box. The use is very well explained here http://www.alanjordan.org/RoomCorrection/Directions.html just forgot the Convolver VST part, Inguz is a convolver. The only way to include SB box Im aware, is to generate a sweep signal and its reverse in Cool Edit (or similar software) , then play it from SBS, record it with for ex Audacity and then create the impulse response needed for the DRC filters computing, long, nasty and difficult process. I tried it and the results were very strange sometimes. I prefer Audiolense even if there are some limitations. The correction is still very good and makes a significant improvement in my system (active 4 ways with cones and horns) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Ok I will try to explain, sorry for my basic English. Ideally when measuring your system/room response, you want to include all the components of your audio chain. With Audiolense (and many many measuring software), the measuring signal is generated by the software and you cannot play it trough SBS and SB box. You have to connect your soundcard directly to your system bypassing the SB box. The measured signal, which is used to generate correction filters, does not include the irregularities of the SB box, thus this one have to be perfect ;-) Audiolense is very easy to use but is not very competent in exporting or importing recorded responses thus response recorded outside of the Audiolense is very hard to use. . There are other ways to record signals and generate correction filters but they are very annoying in use and very prone to faulty settings and processing. I dont know Accourate but it is a bit costly 290 Euros (including crossovers which I dont want) compared to Audiolense at 170 Euros, maybe it is better but It also wont play the signal through the SB box. Completely free version is the DRC software, but you have to know DOS and have to mess a lot to get it work. This software also does not play trough SB box. The use is very well explained here http://www.alanjordan.org/RoomCorrection/Directions.html just forgot the Convolver VST part, Inguz is a convolver. The only way to include SB box Im aware, is to generate a sweep signal and its reverse in Cool Edit (or similar software) , then play it from SBS, record it with for ex Audiocity and then create the impulse response needed for the DRC filters computing, long, nasty and difficult process. I tried it and the results were very strange sometimes. I prefer Audiolense even if there are some limitations. The correction is still very good and makes a significant improvement in my system (active 4 ways with cones and horns) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
adamslim;458421 Wrote: > Are the inguz filters player-specific? I remember reading that they > weren't, so once you had a filter applied it would be on > everything you played on each system, which makes no sense... To be precise, the filters are system and especially room specific, not player specific Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
I do exactly what you are planning. I'm using Audiolense to create filters and use Inguz to convolve them in the SBS. The only drawback is that you cannot measure the whole system since Audiolense is generating his own signal and you cannot pass it trough the SB device. I hope that my SB Touch is "perfect" ;-) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Inguz is a plug-in of the SBS server a software; it is not relied to the hardware part. So it will work with the Duet if you use the right software version. Inguz stopped the development of the plug in. It worked like a charm until SBS 7.3, after that you need some modification in the settings. They are documented on SB forums. Make a search on this forum, a Touch forum and Third party forum. I use Inguz with the Touch and SBS 7.5.0 Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
I was refering to the Touch display, the screen (SB2 is the same). I don't use the web interface for the Inguz adjustments and cannot say how it works with the 7.5.1. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
You are doing it right. I was also surprised by this behaviour. For ex the balance: first you can change the increments in one of the Inguz settings file (don't remember which one now). At the beginning you have access to +- 2dB range. Once you set -2dB and go back one step in the menu and then return you will see that the range has increased to -4dB in the direction you have chosen at the beginning (negative or positive) It is nice once you have cached it. It is maybe not intuitive at the beginning but it works within the limits of the display. I'm wondering who made this display for the Touch, Hugh i.e. Inguz himself? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch V Classic Digital Output
Must you "understand" it to enjoy the music? This subject was beaten to death on all audiophile forums on Earth. If you here the difference then there is one if not then why bother? I personally can hear small differences, not night and day but still there. And yes even the digital cables can sound differently. It is not a matter of knowing or believing it is a matter of hearing it and enjoying. YMMV as usual. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80557 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
krzys;543915 Wrote: > To michael123, andywright and others I will resume the installation > process. > I installed 7.5, the Touch and manually installed the latest InguzEQ > and InguzDSP, modified Michael's plugin.pm as Andy suggested and > replaced the original plugin.pm with the modified one. Are those steps > correct and complete? > I'm asking since I haven't succeeded. The Inguz isn't visible neither > in the Touch menu nor in the web interface. Any further suggestions? > Thanks, Chris. I got it to work on both the Touch and in the web interface. Inguz log.txt confirms it. My main problem was the lack of self registration of the MAC address of the Touch. I manually edited the custom-convert.conf adding the address and changed some settings for the Inguz 9.32 and SS 7.5 in other Inguz configuration files files and voilà. Inguz plug-in is incredible. I discovered that for hi res files like 96/24, it detects the sampling rate and automatically converts the filter wav file to that rate using sox !!! no worries for the sampling rate of the music file . Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
To michael123, andywright and others I will resume the installation process. I installed 7.5, the Touch and manually installed the latest InguzEQ and InguzDSP, modified Michael's plugin.pm as Andy suggested and replaced the original plugin.pm with the modified one. Are those steps correct and complete? I'm asking since I haven't succeeded. The Inguz isn't visible neither in the Touch menu nor in the web interface. Any further suggestions? Thanks, Chris. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter being phased out?
pippin;486599 Wrote: > SB3 is gone but Transporter is still there. Scroll right. You are absolutely right; I missed the right wing ;-) Thanks -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71092 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter being phased out?
Transporter is no more shown on the logitech store in Canada, even the SB3 isn't : http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/&cl=ca,en the former slimdevices store is closed Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71092 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] inguz and new version of slimsever
after a search on the forums ;-)) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68618&highlight=inguz haven't tried yet -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71134 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any audiophiles got a SB Touch to beta test?
A well known member of this forum John Swenson did, see here : http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=pcaudio&n=59877&highlight=touch Very promising Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
But then the audiophiliosis strikes: Some of them pretend it sounds better than SD products. But to be honest nobody mentioned the Transporter just the SB and Duet. You understand the uncertainty: moderately skilled PC builder can easily build this PC transport and it can sound better ... by which margin? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Phil Leigh;439552 Wrote: > Chris, > > I don't understand your point about TCP/IP being irrelevant - to me is > critical since it lets me keep the clock and the jitter aspects locked > inside the SB - the PC is completely out of the jitter equation. On ANY > PC+card solution, jitter will be influenced by what is happening in the > PC. This is simply never the case in an SB-based solution. > > Anyway, interesting discussion! That's true but at the end, even with the presence of this noisy environment, they manage to achieve very respectable low jitter numbers using 150$ soundcard namely the j...@. As you know they slow the processor, lover the supply tension, limit bus traffic, detune Windows, do some other tricks and use this particular player (cpaly). Thus TCP/IP or not they do it and therefore the transfer protocol seems irrelevant to the result. That was my point. Some of them even pretend it sound better than SD products ;-) -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Phil without going into details. We all know there are many roads to the « beloved » sound. I wanted to share this alternative with the community. I strongly believe that a real comparative opinion has to be sought from another source than a device dedicated forum. So I did. I got only few (deception) valuable opinions, one of them is this post from Alan Jordan, who actually owns a Duet: “I have a Squeezebox Duet. I have directly compared its digital output with a PC output going to a MHDT Labs Havana DAC. When using the PC to the DAC, I tried coax via an M-Audio Delta 410 PCI, coax via a Lynx 2B, and USB directly to the Havana. The Squeezebox Duet driving the Havana did not have any digital glare, but comparatively was soft in the bass with a lack of dynamics. I thought the PC driving the Havana sounded much better. Note that the Havana is a filterless NOS DAC, so it does not have any jitter reduction technology and hence shows differences in transports quite clearly. I tried many different software players in this comparison, and three different PCs. The software players included CPlay, Squeezeslave (which allows a PC to act as a Squeezebox device), Foobar, J River Media Center, and Wavelab. In all cases, I thought the PCs sounded better than the Duet. I thought an optimized PC using CPlay, Squeezeslave sounded best. I never tested using a full CMP build when using CPlay, but did test using a similarly optimized Linux system when using Squeezeslave. >From my testing, I imagine a fully optimized CMP / Cplay solution would sound far better than any Squeezebox. Wavelab actually sounds very good too, but it is not a usable playback solution. I also did the same comparison of the Squeezebox Duet and PC into a Benchmark DAC1. The differences between the two, while detectable, were not as noticeable when feeding the Benchmark - probably due to its asynchronous upsampling. However, the Benchmark does not sound very good in my main system so I didn't spend very much time comparing the two. The Duet and Benchmark are still in use in my bedroom system, where I am not as obsessed with getting the best sound I can, and they suit their purpose well there. “ If I compare the SB or Transporter to the their solution , I see that they produce the same SPDIF output and obtain a very low jitter. The use of TCP/IP is not relevent. They use the PC bus for the same task , I mean the link from software player to the SPDIF chip. The main difference is the DAC in the Transporter. If someone likes his DAC then he is done for less money than the PC solution with external DAC, but as we know not everyboby likes this DAC. The SB + Dac is cheaper. That was the object of the thread. The PC solution is also atractive to the DIY inclined ;-) I’m very reluctant to eliminate any solution just on some theoretical considerations ex noisy PC and so one. As usual the only way would be to compare both solutions in the same system YMMV -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
The comparison was between a specialized DIY PC called Cmp using a special software Cplay (not exclusive to the Cmp) costing around 1200-1500$ and having a touch screen and a remote, a kind of digital only Transporter or SB. I thought that it could be a possible alternative to even a Transporter. Each device has his enthusiastic followers on the respective device forum, this forum included, but few have compared the solutions. I think that their solution can work and is very very flexible. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB versus PC player and SB jitter
Link to a thread I started on AA forum, some interesting comparisons and discussion about SB jitter figures http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/56348.html Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65422 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Darren I second Robin on this but suggest to go further. Yes DRC optimizes the sound for a particular spot but this does not mean that the sound is getting worse elsewhere. I believe that the room counts for at least 50% of the global SQ. Room treatments are costly and invasive especially for the bass. DRC is the best way to equalize the sound and to time align the drivers in the digital domain. No other method deal with all the aspects of the sound. You already use the computer for your transporter so adding a convolved filter just for trial is trivial. Try and rapport. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
regalma1;438847 Wrote: > You definitely do not want to use the analog outputs on the DEQ. Of all > the DACs I have compared it is the worst by a large margin. It is > muffled and dull. No liveliness in the upper ranges. Agree, both Behringers share the same standard output hence the multiple after market I/O cards avialable. I use the one from Selectronic. Darren have you ever tried full DRC ? It's worth it IMHO. I'm sure this is the future of the audiophile sound. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Ok then Phil, since I got the permission ;-) I mentioned the DEQ just because regalma1 compared it to Inguz DRC. Speaking about DEQ it is a nice piece of gear for the price. I used it more than a year. I started with the DCX which have some EQ capacity and thought the DEQ will do a better job for EQ. It did but it is still only the EQ. The EQ can be done easily and indefinitely (problem of the DEQ ;-)). It is quite easy to cut peaks, it can do any good for the nulls (but anything can) but it is another piece in the signal path with its own clock and the equalized sound is dead. I mean it seems to kill the music, the sound was flat, non dynamic, not engaging, not like a live performance (my aim and therefore I use pro drivers and horns). Then I started to try DRC, first with the original Dennis S. DRC 2 version, the results were not good, bright washed sound. Then I tried Hi Fi Juice Audiolense, better in the 2 version and very good in the current 3 version. BTW the newest DRC 3.01 version is also very good and with a bit different result from Audiolense. To resume: DRC through Inguz plug-in sounds very well on my system and is much much better than the DEQ equalization. In my system the digital signal from the Squeezebox goes to the Behringer SRC (digital source switcher and reclocker if desired) and then to two DCX (crossovers and DACS), all the Behringers run from the same clock. I strongly recommend DRC for room /system correction of most aspects of the system sound. Please excuse my limited English. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Robin I still think that DEQ discussion is off topic on a squeezebox forum. Please send me an email to the address given in my previous post. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Robin your question is quite off topic, maybe you can send me a PM and I will respond directly. Chris krzys7...@yahoo.com -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz dsp plugin - what are the results?
Inguz plug in is a digital room correction plug in. It is much more than just an equalizer. DRC equalizes (hundreds of filters), corrects phase and do time alignment of the speaker drivers. I tried the DEQ and abandoned it. Please start by reading the links on this site : http://www.duffroomcorrection.com/wiki/Main_Page. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60057 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz on a Transporter
Sounds strange. In my setup the differences in SQ are equally obvious in foobar and in Inguz. I use Audiolense too; did you try the more correction filter? When listening pay attention to the positioning of the instruments and stage width. Describe your room and speakers please. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65237 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz on a Transporter
First of all are you sure you followed the Inguz audio installation instructions and the Inguz plug-in is really on line? As you know the result of the DRC is generally quite obvious. Take a look at the Inguz log file this is your best friend: http://inguzaudio.com/usage/logfile/ chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65237 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
cliveb;412612 Wrote: > That must explain why my telephone (400Hz - 1000Hz) sounds so fabulous > :-) I didn't invent this rule and I'm sure the sound is equilibrate with 400-1000 , try some weird combination like 40-1000 or 400-1 on your phone and report the result ;-) -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
Phil Leigh;412499 Wrote: > > I can hear the (effects of the) supertweeters. They make the bass sound > better to me (I don't understand why). > :) Same observation for me Phil, better highs make better bass. I explain it to myself by the 400 000 law: the lowest frequency multiplied by the highest one should give 400 000 in order to give well equilibrate sound. For example 20Hz * 20 000 Hz = 400 000 ;-) Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs Duet digital out
Search this forum. This topic was discussed a zilion times SB (same as Duet) vs Transporter digital out. The conclusion is : no precived difference on the digital out appart that Transporter can handle 24/96 files without downsampling. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61421 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pas-products EQ software for HTPC/audiophile system?
I confirm what Richard said, it works. Even the sweep works except that for any reason the sweep level varies from one record to another. I created new filters yesterday and they bwork with the 7.3.2 SC. Chris PS cheap alternative to Pas products are Behringer DCX et DEQ -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59891 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware Upsamplers
It has Wordclock in! I hacked it to input the clock signal from an aftermarket clock installed in one of the DCXes ;-)) And above that it is easy to resell Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54066 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware Upsamplers
I'm using it only to upsample to 48/24 from the SB to Behringer DCxes*because it does it better than the DCXes themselves and it offers the choice of three digital inputs http://www.behringer.com/SRC2496/index.cfm?lang=ENG -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54066 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hardware Upsamplers
I think the Behringer SRC can do that for a very low price. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54066 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter of SB3
CPC;285896 Wrote: > Since the Duet's digital section is the same as the SB3, check out this > excellent thread on improving the digital output: > > http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/i...?topic=45330.0 The link does not work. Can you give us the title of the tread and the name of the circle in which it is ? Thanks Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45561 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Chinanico;229471 Wrote: > Hi Chris, > > As a matter of fact, I would appreciate if you could share some of your > experience as a tester, not sure how to import the Inguzprep measurement > files into Audiolense, or how to make measurements directly by sending > the signal into the squeezebox. > > Thanks > > Nicolas You catch me, I forgot that it is not so simple. As a matter of fact you indeed cannot use the squeezebox. The measurement has to be done in the Audiolense using an audio soundcard from the PC for exemple. This of course makes that the Squeezebox is not in the chain. Maybe this could be possible if the audiolense could be piped through the slimserver but I don't know how to do it. I'm using the digital out from my soundcard (optical) so the only piece out of the chain is the SB. The external DAC is in the chain since it receives the signal. The measurments cannot be imported or exported , unless until now, from and to the Audiolense. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
For tweeking the target curve and make notch filters in the curve you don't need the XO version, even the basic version has it. I must confirm with Brent at juicehifi but I think that to presonalize the filter creation process like frequency limitation or windowing you do need the XO version which is much more expensive. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I was one of the beta testers and now own the basic 2.0 version . It generates wav filters which can be used with any convolver including the one from Inguz. I use it with my SB2. Very easy to use but the software is still a bit in developpment, some small bugs present. Be aware it is not free as Inguz or DRC software are. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I think that the editing of the target curve and the limitation of the filter frequency range can be easily done using the Audiolense software from www.juicehifi.com . This software generates RC filters and has a very nice user interface. The target design is much easier than with DRC since the curve is visible. I tried the beta version and will buy the program, no affiliation. Chris PS Just after I sent my post I saw that Inguz already pointed to this software. sorry for duplication. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB digital out level ?
Before the tread turns to another philosophical discussion about formats, I want to report my findings. Of course Sean and other knowledgeable members were right; there should not be any difference in sound level depending on the source. Guided by the answers I made some measurements yesterday. At the beginning the difference was clear 3 to 5 dB louder on the SPL meter and RTA when the same file was played from the soundcard or player than from the SB. What I haven't told you all is that I'm using the Inguz DRC plug-in. I was assuming that when the filter is set to none the plug-in is not acting in any way. I was wrong. Even if the EQ module is unchecked in slimserver, when InguzFlac is checked in file types the sound produced is lower in level. This explains all but how the plug-in acts. I will address this issue in another tread Thanks you all for the guidance and replays. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38024 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB digital out level ?
Sean, I understand you very clearly, the theoretical point is there. As I said max level, no replaygain and no processing. But when I feed my system from the PC sound card or from cd player used as transport playing the same file, the level is higher than from the SB. Is it possible that my SB has some defect in the SPDIF ? Until now no other member has reported such a problem ? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38024 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB digital out level ?
Eric Seaberg;223893 Wrote: > Also, double-check that you don't have your volume control doing > ANYTHING to the digital output. The player settings have a page for > this under AUDIO:DIGITAL OUTPUT LEVEL IS FIXED. > > Also take into consideration that there could be level differences with > the files SlimServer is playing, i.e. did you rip with iTunes and have > it use any 'level-changing' techniques? CDs are, currently, mastered > at FULL SCALE almost to the point of distortion (that's another thread > topic, sorry). They will most certainly sound louder if any ripper > changed the volume, as much as 6-10dB! I'm aware of all that . The answer is no, no attenuation and no level processing . I'm using FLAC files. Simple question: many members have compared SB to transports as digital source. Was the digital signal strenght comparable or the SB had weaker signal level ? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38024 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB digital out level ?
I'm honored to get the answer directly from you. I will try to be clear: the behringer DCX needs a strong i.e. not attenuated signal in order to keep its resolution (it is made for pro use in the first time but accepts SPDIF to). The digital signal from the SB is much weaker than the signal from a cd player and I mean full volume no repalygain etc. I would love this signal stronger. I get a signal (very good quality of course ;-)) but it is a bit to quiet for my needs. For now I have to push my amplifiers to the limits to get enough loudness. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38024 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB digital out level ?
I'm wondering if other members have the same problem. The digital out signal level from my SB is much much weaker than from any cd player I compared. The comparison is done at display at the entry of the DAC (Behringer DCX) Since the DCX needs to be feed with a strong signal it makes a problem for me. BTW what is the normal voltage for a digital SPDIF out? How to measure it? AC measurement when feeding a calibrated -6 or 0 DBFS signal? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38024 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DRC/Inguz and Microphone Calibration
Muski did you get a *.txt file from the calibrator? Is that usaual with calibrators ? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36716 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Here is why no FF/RW
ezkcdude;211386 Wrote: > Not that this was ever a big issue for me, but using Moose one can skip > ahead or go back in a song just by clicking on the timeline. Can you explain please? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36446 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz software, subwoofer measurement
Another option would be to modify the target curve for the DRC cuting it at 75 Hz at the rate of the HP crosover slope isn't it ? -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz software, subwoofer measurement
Thanks Skunk. You are right the option #1 is possible because I'm using the Behringer DCX digital crossover/equalizer. I'm curious of the official Inguz repaly. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz software, subwoofer measurement
Inguz I need your advice. I'm using a single subwoofer up to 75 Hz. When doing the measurements for each channel should I: 1. turn the sub off, measure each channel and then EQ the sub separately? 2. keep the sub on for both channels? 3. record the sub in one channel only? 4. none of these ? Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inverted polarity level boost ?
inguz;207511 Wrote: > By the way, I'm interested in your experiences with horns and active > crossovers. I'd love to be able to do active crossover filters on the > server, but Squeezebox doesn't lend itself to that very easily. How do > you find the DEQ2496? Hugh you probably meant the DCX2496. I will send you a PM on Monday with the system description and comments. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35884 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inverted polarity level boost ?
Now all is clear. I used the plain pink noise so the inverted polarity filter wasn't applied. -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35884 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
