Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New SBT person old Audiophile
cfraser wrote: > It can potentially sound "better" with all the useless threads, if less > variation in power supply buss noise is better. By keeping a continuous > CPU loading, rather than having it vary, this might sound better to you. > Depends what those "useless" threads are actually doing too. Also in > EDO, as an option, there is a means to keep the CPU loading > continuous/stable and thus prevent the CPU from slipping into its > low-power mode when lightly loaded, which also might sound better to > you. > > Really too many possibilities to guess, best to just try it and write it > off if you find no worthwhile diff. Not a lot of rules with this > stuff... Moron. You really have no concept of how slimdevices work (or the real world of networking for that matter.) The rules are absolute. Hit your own head and go home. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94912 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
magiccarpetride wrote: > That's not what I said. All I said was that you are the king of haters. > I didn't talk about anyone else. Suszej: have a hard time somewhere else pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
please work together to identify a common insanity. neither you on the perceptive side nor your equipment will ever discern any difference from CD quality of course, y'all can argue about the different releases of the same music save us all some damn time pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There is life after the Soundcheck TT mods..
pandasharka wrote: > In the beginning I thought the TT mods made a difference - I tried TT2 & > TT3 over the last several months. Then reverted to vanilla SBT and > preferred it. > > The conundrum, I think, is that every one of us has a different > environment downstream of the SBT. And that includes possibly an > external DAC, the listening environment etc. etc. I think of the TT mods > as an olden days "add a graphic equalizer" solution to make up for > specific shortfall in a specific listening environment. Not an across > the boards panacea solution. > > What "works" for one will not work for the next listener. > > What is different with the SB approach compared to the other offerings - > eg. Linn, Sonos is that their customers don't have the opportunity to > TWEAK. The TT3.0 thread that rightly got canned was about 150 pages too > long. > > If the TT mods had been the silver bullet to move all SBT customers to a > super extended listening level at this price point, Logitech surely > would have implemented them already and taken Soundcheck out of the > equation. (And the other tweaketters). > > I wonder whether at corporate level Logitech would have preferred to > offer a solution that was closed and offered zero opportunity to get > under the hood, like the competition. After all this, improvement was never shown and the reason is obvious pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94770 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Low Jitter mods
SBGK wrote: > My low jitter mods have been trialled by members on this site with some > success, I can now take on a few more installs, if you want to know how > good the Touch could sound then just PM me for details. > > > > As the TT3.0 thread has been closed down here is the link to Soundchecks > blog. > > http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/touch-toolbox-30.html "Run away faster !" If your ears/goo can detect jitter in any modern DAC, you are George Malley and you would already have been bagged by the CIA pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94644 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is this a good way to go?
H8 Crap wrote: > I just got an Ipad 3. I would like to use it to control a Logitech > Touch into my modified Theta CasaNova. I would like to use a Vortexbox > for storing my Hirez Files that are now on a 1tb portable hard drive and > my small couple hundred CD collection. What software app will I need > for the Ipad. And will the Vortexbox work with the new Ipad. I have > hardwired CAT6 ethernet and RG6 throughout the house. Soon I will be > replacing the Theta with a new Marantz home theater processor so I can > better use all the features of my OPPO BDP-95 Blu-Ray Player. Any > pitfalls? Thanks for your input. Two approaches: Ipeng in the app store (has an advanced interface similar to Touch.) Use the webUI via safari on the new iPad. Vortexbox is a fine piece of work that will run on any Linux. You don't mention having another computer to run it. It does not run on an iPad. P pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94645 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
touchup wrote: > > cfraser wrote: > > touchup: are you absolutely sure you're decoding the FLACs on your > > server? If I don't, *then* I can hear a diff, but otherwise: nope, > > sounds like the WAVs (which I also keep for everything). Edit: because > > of course, the server is sending the *exact* same data to the SBT in > > both cases when the FLACs are converted server side. FLACs are NOT > > converted to WAV/PCM in real time, they are converted well before the > > data is actually needed to be played. > > > > I'm using a Bryston DAC/pre/amps->Maggies (wired ethernet, linear PS, > > and very importantly the display *persistently* OFF, etc.). I can easily > > hear the diffs between the settings etc. that people post. This is a > > feature that I really like, because there's really nothing I can do to > > significantly change the sound out of my disc transports (Sonic > > Frontiers/Oppo), I get what they give into the same DAC. > > > > > > Because they take up less drive space, I initially had a lot of CD's > > ripped to FLACs, assuming they would sound the same as WAVs. FLAC files > > were decoded on the server. But I forgot to convert a few WAVs to FLAC > > prior to copying them to my network drive. That's how I found out that > > WAVs at least to my ears sound so consistently better. I cannot explain > > why. I know it shouldn't, but there it is.> > > > I really agree with the display off and have found that channel > reversal by placing the back towards the speakers also sounds much > better. At least turn off the display or the results are tragic. > > zz pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The answer my friends is...
RonM wrote: > Cleaner residuals. It's so long since we heard about residuals there must be a newer auditory aphorism. P pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The answer my friends is...
Stratmangler wrote: > 42 > > Chris :) Technically, I've always thought 2x3x7 was wrong. 2x3x5 makes more sense (blacker blacks) pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The answer my friends is...
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows..." pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
1. Post results of sweep tests with calibrated microphones and static microphones and speakers (and amps, and everything else) that indicate improvement. 2. Admit "digital" is beyond your comprehension. 3. Bask in glory for your contributions. Which of these is LEAST likely? 1. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker placement
psp;696777 Wrote: > I have used these two approaches (different proceedures, but similar at > the core) to place monitors (GR Research Paradox 1) and my Linkwitz > Orions in their rooms. > > The "Iron Chef" method of speaker placement: > http://db.audioasylum.com/mhtml/m.html?forum=speakers&n=215930&highlight=Iron+chef+speaker+setup&search_url=%2Fdefault.mpl%3Fsearchtext%3DIron%2Bchef%2Bspeaker%2Bsetup%26b%3DAND%26topic%3D%26topics_only%3DN%26author%3D%26date1%3D%26date2%3D%26slowmessage%3D%26sort%3Dscore%26sortOrder%3DDESC%26forum%3DALL > > Or the Master Set method: > http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=60819.0 > > Once you have done this a few times, it takes about an hour. The first > time, maybe 3 hours. I run a tape measure to the rear wall behind the > speaker and firmly tape it in place (or use weights) because the > measurements need to be accurate to at least 1/16" (not kidding). > Speaker movements are 1/8" at a time, and once in the zone you should > make smaller 1/16" movements. At the end, you will have a great > improvement in the bass (solid vs. boomy) and a remarkable improvement > in clarity and coherence. The great surprise is that once you get it > right, the sound is right for a large area (6-8 feet in my room) around > the listening chair. > > My advice (based on long discussions on other forums) is: > - don't waste time arguing that this is crazy, please just try it. > - be patient when you first try this... as you move the first speaker > out from the wall, you are listening for ALL of the bass notes to sound > firm. Don't worry, just move the speaker out another 1/8" and try > again. It's there, you'll find it. This is easier if your speakers > deliver deep bass, a little harder if your monitors only go to 60Hz. > > I use this method for my speakers. In my experience (my equipment, my > room, my speakers--small monitors and large dipoles) it works > profoundly well, and I suggest that you give it a try. I don't have a > lot of time to post... maybe I can get one off every 2-3 weeks... and I > certainly don't have time to argue with folks who would rather argue > than to try it. > > Pete Pete, My first higher-powered (and better phono-cartridged) stereo had DCM Time Windows (and later, Time Bass.) Everything was paper, and not just in my speakers. This was before poly or any other exotic drivers (except JBL.) My only argument with the above is that it's the precision of placement with dipoles, not just the correct distance. You can use 1/4" instead of 1/8" above as long as the speakers are 1/8" in agreement with the back wall. You will know when you are too far away from the wall, p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93802 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If the question is 'is there a better LMS frond end ?'
audiomuze;696749 Wrote: > Does it improve the sound ??? If it didn't SBGK would not be humping it. J, M, & J ghost-write his posts. Everyone else is hopelessly practical. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94212 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SBT source.. or rather the pc with the data is the source..
Deaf Cat;696780 Wrote: > Cheers, a good few pages in, and lots to go, looks like software > tweeking, I was thinking hardware tweeking.. interesting stuff to have > a play with :-) "Having a play" with yourself will offer as much improvement. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94199 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;696146 Wrote: > here are my ratings for mods out of 10, most of them relate to > enhancements of the pc/windows which 99% of squeeze forums say makes no > difference. > > TT3.0 8 noise reduction, sound enhancement > TT priorities 8 big difference if set correctly > fidelity audio mods -- 8 sibilance removal and resolution enhancement > max buffer mods -- 8 noise reduction > linear supply 7 remove muddy sound of smps > core parking 4 smoother sound > irq priority setting - 5 enhanced dynamics > core irq affinity 6 separation of instruments, better detail, > dynamics > meicord -- 4 noise reduction, clearer sound > tcpip ethernet optimisation - 6 sound enhancement, dynamics > background scheduling - 3 better bass > process affinity -- 6 better clearer sound > process priority -- 5 better clearer sound > core frequency lowering - 4 removes hf digital hash > system timer set to .5 ms - 3 not sure if this does anything or is > relevant to Touch music playing, copied from fidelizer, jplay > service disabling -- 4 slight sound improvement > rf attenuator -- 6 icing on the cake, would not be without it. > 3d sound, dynamics, smoother sound. > screen removal - 4 sound improvement > toslink removal 3 clearer sound > coax solder to Touch --- 5 enhanced detail > ferrite choke on laptop smps - 4 reduces hf noise > ferrite choke on usb smps 2 reduces hf noise > linear supply for laptop and external disk - 5 surprising change in > quality of sound, shows how much crap the smps were injecting. Thank you and good night. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Jeff Flowerday;696165 Wrote: > Ok I'm sticking to this configuration for while, I promise! > > Touch -> Black Cat Veloce -> Yulong D18 Reference DAC -> Morrow M3 > Balanced Interconnects -> Simaudio 600i Integrated -> Morrow SP3 > speaker cables -> Focal 1028BE speakers. Please show us the room dimensions with the Focals' locations. Thanks. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Impressions on Toolbox 3.0
touchporter;696118 Wrote: > I have been using Soundcheck's Toolbox 3.0 for a few weeks thought I > should contribute some findings I have discovered. > > 1. I have an entry-level two channel system: > Bolder Linear PSU -> Bolder digital modded Touch (hardwired) -> Coaxial > SPDIF -> Cambridge DACMAGIC -> Onkyo A-9555 Integrated Amp -> Energy > RC-70 three-way towers > > 2. Default TT 3.0 settings and buffer: > The sound is more forward and aggressive compared to stock. The clarity > is improved. The vocals are so clean that sometimes feel a bit thin. The > details in high frequency is emphasized and sometimes a little too much > which can cause some distractions when listening to music. I feel a bit > fatiguing after a long listening session. > > 3. TT 3.0 with Logitech priority settings and a 2 buffer: > The sound is more laid back. The highs are smoother but felt kind of > rolled-off. Sometimes I feel it's too smooth which takes the dynamics > and livelihood of the music away and too analog. Some people with a > bright system may like it more. > > 4. I changed the FLAC decoder settings to have it decoded by the Touch > rather than the suggestion by Soundcheck to have it done on the server > side. I found this change gave me more bass response and more dynamics. > Plus I have some 24/96KHZ album wouldn't play with the PCM setting. > > 5. My final settings are TT3.0 with Logitech priority and 1 buffer, > plus FLAC decoded by the Touch. I feel the sound is like a midpoint > between 2 and 3 and hit a good balance on my system. It is analytical > enough but at the same time musical and non-fatiguing. > > I want to thank Soundcheck for his work and overall it is definitely an > improvement over the stock Touch. I know some people here say there is > no difference at all but for me and my wife (who used to play > instrument in a classical band and has much better hearing than myself) > the difference is not night and day but also not very subtle either. How nice for you ! Have you considered other software alternatives? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
darrenyeats;694542 Wrote: > Well, my sub journey continues. > > I have now settled on placing my sub at the same distance as my main > speakers (centre of driver basis). > > Because the sub gives better "massage" sub-sonic performance when it's > near to me, coffee table style, I've been trying to integrate it there. > However, there or anywhere in front of the plane of the speakers, > something sounds just wrong. I think it's the phase of the bass > wavefronts being mismatched at this frequency or that. Even if I play > with the phase control on the sub, this helps certain frequencies to be > in phase, but other bass frequencies are not. The crossover is set to > lowest frequency. > > This is an all ATC set up and it sounds like the crossover is designed > to integrate well...assuming the drivers are roughly in the same plane. > Certainly I've heard the exact same equipment positioned similarly in a > bigger room and I got the "rightness", "bass oomph" and "massage" > factors at the same time. In my smaller room I get only the first two. > This may be physicscould be factors of construction or being > physically nearer the mains skewing my hearing/feeling balance (think > about headphones playing loud...a high sonic SPL doesn't equate to body > shaking amounts of air movement because the drivers are nearer, much > nearer in this example, to your ears). > > Not everything is better in the current position because a big room > mode lives in the crossover region. However, I have Helmholtz > resonators managing that. Overall, it is better. Maybe I will play with > the gain a bit. > > Any advice or suggestions? Even random ramblings like mine are > welcome. > Darren > > Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e using Tapatalk My "old time" instructions for managing a bi-amp setup could be helpful if used in reverse: Set the bass segment and the treble segment to maximum volume. Play music at a reasonable volume and reduce the treble gain until the music sounds "normal." The is very simply done with an active crossover but most subs just have sub gain control so you end-up starting with no sub gain and adding slowly. For sub-satellite setup, I agree with Dynaudio: let the satellites play full range. (Assuming the satellites are substantial.) A well done sub is very subtle. Don't be tempted to want to hear it all the time. In a smaller room, avoid having the driver parallel to it's back wall. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Recommendations
Amps In the common retail market, only Yamaha posts full range power (rather than 1K.) See also Crown and QSC. Toroidal is good. In my experience, high-end band equipment can weld. Other than that, see title. Speakers depend entirely on your airspace which you haven't mentioned. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] sub-$300 DAC
Is Squeezebox Classic a clock radio or an SB3? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93932 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/V Receiver DAC losing lock between (some) tracks
darrell;694027 Wrote: > Since acquiring my Touch, my SB3 has been relegated to the TV room, > connected to an A/V receiver via coax. Listening in there earlier > today, I noticed that the receiver loses lock between tracks on some > albums (not all), meaning that I lose the first half second or so of > each track, as the receiver has to lock on to the signal again. They're > all flac cd rips, so 16/44.1. > > Is this related to digital silence? One of the albums which exhibits > the problem had gaps between tracks on the CD (the CD player counted > down -2, -1, 0 between tracks). Might this be the issue? Whatever the > cause, is there anything I can do at the ripping stage to avoid this > problem? > > Any ideas? Searching the forums, I did find threads mentioning this > problem, but apparently a fix was made some time ago. Restart server. Restart player. observe results and report -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93967 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ZMIX Converter Test(60 generations of AD/DA bounce)
TheOctavist;693184 Wrote: > http://www.zmix.net/Converter_Test/index.htm > > nope. no difference. State the point. Point to evidence. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93881 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
totoro;692478 Wrote: > The volume control in the sb3 was digital and done in software. So yes, > attenutators for protection were a really good idea. The volume control in ALL the products is digital. My confirmation was that the limit parameter only had an effect on the analog outputs. Do attenu-tators turn your 'taters into antenna? Thank you in advance for your clarification. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Ok, I understand it now: circuli inprobus P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93649 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
Mnyb;692403 Wrote: > Another good thing with attenuators is that they offer some protection > the players can get some fluke bug and output very loud noise now and > then. > > The preamplifier volume in SB3 was it all analog ? If it was just > another digital volume control , the attenuation method still has some > things going ? > > The transporter had nifty jumpers for the unbalanced analog out to get > the desired attenuation cool this is how stuff should be made. Yes, it only affects the analog outputs (if the 'i' button is correct. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best way of getting from SB to speakers
cliveb;692352 Wrote: > I am one of those who believes in using only a power amp. The > fundamental rationale is that of all the electronic components there > are in a HiFi system, the preamp is the least transparent and it's > therefore worth eliminating it. > > The crucial step in connecting a Squeezebox directly to a power amp is > setting what's known as the "gain staging" right. To aim here is to > arrange things so that when the Squeezebox's own volume control is at > maximum, the playback is as loud as you'll ever want (but no louder). > Then just use the Squeezebox's volume control for day-to-day > adjustment. The only time you'll turn it down so far that it may affect > the quality will be when you're just playing stuff quietly as > background, in which case the slight loss of quality isn't really an > issue. > > Some power amps *do* have volume controls, some others have presets you > can adjust. Just set these once and you're done. For power amps that > don't have volume controls, you will probably need to insert some > passive attenuators, which you can either buy (typically a few tens of > dollars/pounds/euros) or make yourself (for a few > dollars/pounds/euros). > > See this wiki page for a more detailed discussion: > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Connecting_directly_to_a_power_amplifier SB3 has a preamp output limit.. I wonder why that wasn't done on all the players?? Also, SBR output direct to a power amp sometimes does not play loud enough (even with replay gain adjustment disabled.) P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93776 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] www.DynamicRange.de
Henry66;691325 Wrote: > Go here: http://dr.loudness-war.info/ > and click on "Mac OS" under Software at the top right. I'm glad to see the winders version of the foobar plugin is current again.. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86519 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Again: I assume this is software. What does it do? What is it alleged to do? Skeptics, Fans, and Developer are welcome to reply. Please reply including one of the above in the title. Obnoxious science deniers need not reply P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93649 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
TheOctavist;691177 Wrote: > did you read the white paper? dont take my word though...ask any sound > engineer, acoustic designer, etc. > > The main obstacles to natural-sounding bass reproduction are the > inevitable room interactions, which impose large peaks and dips on the > bass response. By using multiple subs spread asymmetrically around the > room, each sub will produce a unique peak-and-dip pattern at the > listening position. The combined average of these unique peak-and-dip > patterns is much smoother than any one of them would be, resulting in > more natural-sounding bass with excellent pitch definition. Any Sound Engineer provided you splats? Some name there or are you just right? Citation leads to testing methods which might allow factual discussion. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker placement question
magiccarpetride;689661 Wrote: > I didn't ask for help with searching for Magnepan speaker placement on > the web. I know how to use google, thank you very much. > > Here, I'm interested in hearing other experts' direct personal > experiences with speaker placement, especially planar speakers. Do you > have each and every Magnepan model at your house so that you can give > me your first hand experiences? If not, what if anything could you > possibly glean from me giving you the model number? Oh ! Now I see. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles, Pink Floyd Engineer Alan Parsons Rips Audiophiles
Henry66;690041 Wrote: > -Alan Parsons, producer, musician and sound engineer of Pink Floyd's > Dark Side of the Moon, says audiophiles overpay for equipment while > ignoring room acoustics. > He also says some surround-sound systems from Costco and Walmart > really arent that bad.- > http://www.cepro.com/story/alanparsons.html > > . > . > . > [image: http://i.imgur.com/0t2kY.gif] Not surprised -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93554 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
mherger;689904 Wrote: > As Garym said: we don't care about opinions. But the insulting and > profanity got to a level we can't accept. I'm sorry I didn't monitor > this thread more closely. I usually avoid this board for the bad mood > there is... But in the past few weeks we got more complaints about some > forum members than we did get spam. At some point enough is enough. sank u -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker placement question
magiccarpetride;689555 Wrote: > What difference does it make? Isn't it like asking me what color is my > ethernet cable? Originally Posted by pski: "I asked what model of Magnepan you have. I don't remember that one. (The Crazy one.) Neither does the manufacturer. Did you get that from the product plate ? Make it easy to help. " The various models of Magnepans have very specific instructions on placement that answer all your questions about starting position, separation, and adjustment distances. Of course, it is possible you don't really want facts in response to your starting the thread. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;689443 Wrote: > The issue with me is that I can't even hear any difference between > analog outs on my Duet and a TT3.0 SBT into an outboard DAC. What model? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
JohnSwenson;689437 Wrote: > I have no problem at all with the concept of doing a DBT as long as the > protocol allows for some time for relaxed listening. > > Here is a proposal for a DBT of the infamous TT3.0. This one is ideal > because it's software only, no switching between hardware needed which > should simplify the testing procedure. > > A procedure gets written which can switch between TT3.0 and "standard" > by loging into the Touch from a remote computer. (this should not be > too hard to do) Three scripts are written which can be run from a > remote computer which switches to "A", another which switches to "B" > and another that does an "X" which may be either A or B. The sequence > of X configurations is determined by an excrypted file. The person > under test does not know the sequence. Another program generates the > encrypted files which are emailed to the participants. At this point no > human knows the sequences in any of these files. After the test is > complete the same program will generate the human readable sequence in > each file. > > During the test itself the participants will have the Touch hidden from > view (it's possible to tell which is which if you can see the screen > durring the reboot). All interactions with the Touch will be done > through one of the remote options (iPeng, Android app, server web page > etc), none of these have anyway to tell if TT3.0 is active or not. The > person under test can use the three scripts to select A or B or X as > many times as they want, listen to as many songs as they want, take as > much time as they want, do it in one day, do it in a week, whatever. > > Some things for discussion, how many X changes should be done? Should > the identity of A and B be known by the testers? The encrypted file > could also be used to keep the identity of A and B secret. > > Possible ways to cheat: look at the Touch when rebooting. For this to > work we have to trust people not to do this. Logging on using SSH to > see if TT3.0 is urned on. Again we have to trust people on that one. > The sounds made durring boot could also be used to tell which is which, > but these can be globally turned off. We can just have the scripts do > that. > > Any takers? Any discussion? Does this satisfy the DBT "rules"? > > John S. Jeez man. Have you considered real audio measurement ? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
bpa;689420 Wrote: > There is a space vs processing consideration. Send data in WAV rather > than Flac will means there are at least 2 times as many data packets > being received with twice as many TCP/IP protocol actions and buffer > manipulations. So there could be significant CPU usage to handle this > doubling of data. So calm down. More data: yes. Sending WAV: the only issue is whether the link can take it. If it can't you will have gaps. Remember: boxen only have an empty buffer at the beginning of a track. The TCP/IP "protocol actions and buffer manipulations" are all done in the network interface card so you are left with the doubling of data and the WAV to FLAC conversion. > > > Which format requires least amount of CPU will depend on many factors > and issues such as whether the code has been optimised to "prefer" > receiving a compressed data format (e.g. MP3, AAC, Flac) rather than > WAV (e.g. expect to processed data and do a copy while decompressing) > may be a factor. List a few of those "many factors" if you will. Things are not how you think they should be. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;689429 Wrote: > You've hit the nail on the head: we're all crazy. Plus, we don't know > how to read. > > Can you please explain what else is wrong with me? You seem to know > everything! I'm so glad you are here to help. This is why most of us pay attention and reply here. Have you considered getting a dog ? They are slavishly attentive and have been shown to help with certain psychological issues. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker placement question
magiccarpetride;689430 Wrote: > The Crazy model. I asked what model of Magnepan you have. I don't remember that one. Neither does the manufacturer. Did you get that from the product plate ? Make it easy to help. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
magiccarpetride;689109 Wrote: > It does. But where the analogy breaks for me is in the fact that if I > happen to hear a difference between two audio configurations, those > differences are very clear, prominent and beyond a trace of a doubt. > And regardless of whether I try to focus too much, or just 'gaze > through' (as in those seemingly random images where a 3D object > suddenly emerges), I hear the differences equally well. > > On the other hand, if I can't hear the differences, no matter how much > I focus/relax, I cannot make them emerge. Ever. > > For me, it's a very clear-cut binary situation: either I hear the > differences immediately, or I won't ever be able to hear them. Your fault is to assume the results are dichotomous. Heads/tails: independently dichotomous. "I hear the differences" will never be a "very clear-cut binary situation" because there is not proof you hear well If two "audio configurations" are different, there will be a measurable difference. We invite a demonstration of measurable differences. When one person has an imaginary friend, they're crazy. When many people have the same imaginary friend, they are all crazy. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
JohnSwenson;689377When a packet comes in the processor does a lot of work moving that data around to different buffers up and down the protocol "stack" causing lots of memory accesses. John S.[/QUOTE Wrote: > > > Actually, all the processor does is wait for the data to be presented > by the NIC which does all of the "stack" issues including error > detection and retransmission requests. This is the TCP part (the hard > part) of TCP/IP and it's been moved to the NIC for very good reasons. > > If the Touch is trans-coding WAV, we should expect higher CPU > utilization. When the Touch is a player, the defaults have the server > sending FLAC which is native to the players. > > P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker placement question
What model ? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;689079 Wrote: > have implemented the core parking, IRQ priority and timer mod to Win 8, > won't use process lasso or game booster as it is obvious Win 8 knows > what it is doing. Roger, Roger. What's our vector Hector ? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
Theoretical is If you say you hear this: NUTS ! -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Jeff Flowerday;688874 Wrote: > I am quite stoked, it was a little over budget even used, but it was in > the back of mind mind when looking at the 340i that I'd eventually > upgrade to the 600i with the wicked SimAudio upgrade program. Uh? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
totoro;69 Wrote: > I've found that I can achieve a lot better prat and bloom by modifying > my .emacs file. vi is the only true editor get used to it p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
earing all kinds of subtle nuances in the performance and the > space the performance was performed in. The "contrasts" in the sound > field are increased. Different gear does this "showing the contrasts" > differently. The brain is still normalizing, but its normalizing the > whole thing. You still don't get an "absolute" view into the sound, but > it is possible to determine how different equipment shows the > contrasts. > > I know there will be some who will say, "but how do you know this > "contrast" is real and not something the brain made up?" My take is > this: we know the brain filters what we perceive, what is more likely, > the lack of contrast is reality and the more contrast is made up, OR > the lack of contrast is the brain filtering out information and the > higher contrast is closer to reality? My experience has been that the > brain does far more filtering than it does creating out of nothing. So > I'm going to go for assuming the greater contrast I hear when listening > to the totality of the music is closer to reality and the lack of > contrast when critically listening is the brain filtering information, > thus I'm going to make judgements about what makes a difference based > on what I hear when in the "totality" mode rather than in the critical > listening mode. > > I hope all this makes some sort of sense. > > John S. Not really. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;688824 Wrote: > I blame myself for this. The wormhole between universes has been > breached Don't be so hard on yourself, Phil. Ignorance is bliss and there are a LOT of happy people... Are you sure it's a wormhole that's involved? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
superbonham;688812 Wrote: > ... and make sure to always use proportional spaced fonts otherwise the > music will sound dreadfully unbalanced. > > Also I discovered that serif fonts add amazing and unheard detail to > the music - just tried with Gould's Goldberg Variations: now I can > clearly hear mordents and trills that I swear were impercetible before > ... That's due to all the wonderful detail in the serifs (footies!) -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688802 Wrote: > ferrites > > bought some at Maplins > > tried a clip on each end of the Ethernet cable, too much high end > detail loss. Tried 1 on SBT end only, better, but still a loss of high > end detail, so putting them on the signal cable is a no no for me. > > tried a clip-on on usb input, a clip-on on linear ps input to SBT and a > ring each for laptop ps and external disk ps (3 or 4 turns). > > Don't know if usb input clip-on makes sense, but overall effect is > nice. > > update - usb clip-on was taking too much high end detail away, so these > are good for PS rfi control in my system, put extra clip-on on laptop > PS. > > update - didn't like the effect the clip-on was having on the linear > ps, again a sort of dampening effect. So now have a clip-on and 3 turn > ring on the laptop ps and external disk ps leads, both post switchers, > seems to have the desired effect. > > getting used to Win 8, apart from the bizarre 5 step process to > shutdown, short cut is to click on the desktop and press alt-F4, but > why change it in the first place !! Apart from that it is very quick, > LMS navigation is very quick also. > > . I needed a good laugh this morning ! Thanks. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
superbonham;688506 Wrote: > Sorry guys but I have to leave this thread. > > There is no help in arguing here - these "server tweak folks" just are > not receptive to reason. > > While I think that this nonsense should be refuted whenever possible > (for truth's sake and to prevent further harm) we all have only limited > time to spare. > > I did my best, but now Cassandra Wilson's sweet dark voice is calling > me for other duties ;) > > Thanks to all the advocates of scientific reasoning and especially to > darrell, Phil and TheOctavist for their interesting contributions. > > Cheers > > superbonham I am happy to find reason same -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
magiccarpetride;688460 Wrote: > Excellent question: I pay enormous attention to picks, as they make or > break my performance. Couldn't be your skill, eh? Always the equipment. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688509 Wrote: > Phil, > > I am interested in getting some ferrites to try and reduce any rfi > coming into my laptop, router, ethernet etc. You said you had used them > for a no of years and I wondered if you have any recommendations for > which ones to get and how to deploy them or is it just trial and error, > also how can I measure their effectiveness ? If you don't mind my reply, the "cores" you refer to are used to reduce analog "hum." Years ago I realized I could use "computer grade" cable to connect the stereos in my home at "line level." The three stereo systems joined in a switch. By using the "tape monitor" inputs and outputs I could make things work almost as well squeezeboxen. Ferrite rings at the end of each connection prevented hum in the circuits. This is not to be confused with current digital wiring. Such physics-based rings can not have an impact on a digital signal's quality. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688500 Wrote: > OK, good thing it's Friday, and you have the entire weekend ahead of > you. Take it easy, get a lot of rest, drink a lot of liquids, and in > general, relax and recuperate. We'll see you on Monday, and I'm sure > the buzzing in your head will all get cleared up by then. > > Cheers! Thanks doctor. I'll be very happy to ignore you now you've attempted humor in the face of ignoring the rest of us. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
cunobelinus;688481 Wrote: > On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:33, darrell wrote: > > > > > magiccarpetride;688453 Wrote: > >> To you, whose mind appears to be of a dogmatic, a priori bend, > exploring > >> things and turning every stone on the path may look like playing > >> games... You are the official guardian of the official way of > thinking, > >> the officially established and sanctified truths, which is a very > >> dignified position to be in. Others, the less docile ones, may have > >> different approach to examining things. It is a matter of civility > to > >> tolerate others. Not everyone is constituted to think in dogmatic, > >> eternal truths frame of mind. Some of us are more into fluid, > >> relativistic way of thinking, exploring, behaving. We are the > >> pluralists, we recognize the beauty of many differing world views, > and > >> we hope that the thousand flowers may blossom, and that there be > >> bewildering diversity. Monolithic cultures suffocate us. > >> > >> But I'm not expecting you to be in a position to grasp that. > Whsh! > > > > Utter rubbish. If this is serious, it is the plea of fools and > > charlatans everywhere. If it is a joke, it is a very boring one, > > especially after the nth time. > > > > > Feed the trolls, > Tuppence a bag, > Tuppence, tuppence, > Tuppence a bag + And what also floats in water? A duck ! P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
ralphpnj;688488 Wrote: > Have you tried simply doing a full shut down and restart on the > computer/server running LMS/SBS. I know it may sound stupid but > sometimes the simple things get overlooked. Recently my Touch appeared > to having trouble playing some files, as in the files played but the > sound was way off with lots of distortion. A full shut down and restart > on the computer running SBS did the trick and now all is well. That's LMS now. I'm only on my third name. American Idol contestants should have a mandatory period prefix their names for the rest of their lives. Try to ignore the technical similarities to *nix and embrace the fact they need to be different and easily recognized. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should one hear sound directly from speakers?
vett93;688468 Wrote: > I often read reviews that claim speakers disappeared in the room. My > interpretation is that they couldn't tell the sound were directly from > the speakers. I'd like to hear comments on this subject. > > On my main system, I can hear sound directly from the speakers. The > center image is very clear for vocal music. With classical music like > Nutcracker, I can also place various instruments. It is just I can also > hear sound from the speakers. > > On my 2nd system, I rarely hear sound from the speakers. The sound > stage is in between the two speakers. > > Both systems can play 180 degrees sound with music tracks using QSound > technology. I can hear sound 90 degrees from my right and 90 degrees > from my left, which is the way it was designed to do. You have something else playing? Most of this is based-on dispersion and the distance from you to the speaker and the speaker from the side and back walls. I'm not directly involved with QSound and I really hope you are not here to sell it. The interactions of speakers and their environment is complicated enough without juju. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93434 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688495 Wrote: > I'd be surprised if piano players ever stopped to think what's the hz of > the note they just played. Prepare to be surprised ! Read up on this thread ! There was once a proposal for a new diacritical mark. It was called the interobang and was the combination of an exclamation point and a question mark. Here's what it meant to imply: WTF? I really think the idea was ahead of it's time. So here's a more modern proposal: Choose of two characters put together. I'll wait OK, it means "whatever !" no initial indicated. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
darrell;688475 Wrote: > As long as your network speed is adequate (and there's no reason why it > shouldn't be), I'd say no difference. If for some reason the network > was not up to it, you'll get pauses in playback as rebuffering occurs. > Try it and see. You fight an impossible argument. By that I mean an argument of faith that cannot be refuted. They deserve their thread. They aren't asking for help or technical details. They know the technical details they are interested in. I have a navel too but I will not spend time studying it's function. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: > Surprising to whom? Piano players? Actually, no. My population there would me more like people who understand what a hz is. As you can see, piano players know better. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
cunobelinus;688482 Wrote: > On 3 Feb 2012, at 21:14, Phil Leigh wrote: > > > > > magiccarpetride;688443 Wrote: > >> Surprising to whom? Piano players? > > > > I think he means people like SBGK whose systems roll off at well > above > > that... > > > Much more likely that than piano players, don't you think? They'd all > know, and most soloists would be well aware that, as I posted a couple > of days ago, the special order Bösendorfer (the Imperial?) goes down to > C0 or 16Hz, as can 't - common as muck in 't brass band - tuba in the > right hands, although the usual tuba pedal note is a major 3rd higher > at 20Hz E0. +1 The sound that touches Sometimes she does a good job P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
mashley;688470 Wrote: > Yes, I use one myself to very good effect, the Behringer ultramatch Deq > 24/96. > Anyone that thinks this is horse shit plainly hasn't listened to one. > > I listen via a pair of Audio Note P4 monoblocs, with ESL63's. I have > modified it somewhat as per Lampizator. > > http://lampizator.eu/LAMPIZATOR/TRANSPORT/behringer/Behringer.html > > Cannot recommend it highly enough it's cheap enough to try and Very > good even in stock form. > > Transporter, > Ultramatch, > Audio GD Ref7 dac, > Audio Note P4 monoblocs, > Esl 63's Please re-read the question. Playing a 64kbs stream can only be "improved" by increasing the bit rate. It's something to do with the lack of information. Of course it could be digitally equalized but then "improvement" would be completely an opinion. Congratulations on your esteemed equipment ! I will suggest your coarse attitude is not appropriate. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
It might be surprising that the low A on a piano is 27.5 hz -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
TiredLegs;688202 Wrote: > Also, the fact that your speakers are specified to 40 Hz does not mean > that they have zero output below that frequency, it just means that the > output below that frequency is reduced below whatever threshold they use > in their spec. (The response falloff isn't necessarily a cliff.) +1 As well, the sound at the "bottom" is important. Does the speaker "drop off like a rock" or "make a graceful exit" rather than burp and fart? There's a little subjective issue here. Where the speakers sit in the room and whether the amp has enough are the questions. Expected volume is the other variable. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
darrenyeats;688185 Wrote: > Bear in mind the SPL meter measures the total SPL, not the SPL at the > frequency you happen to be interested in. For example, for a 10Hz input > tone there will be a lot of distortion output so the measurement doesn't > describe just the 10Hz fundamental... > Darren I call it "environment." It's a sad story of fried amps but a nearly happy ending: When I first got my infinity speakers, they replaced bi-amped DCM Time Windows/Bases. The first hook-up sounded so good I gave 'em a lot of wrapped dollars in a strawberry basket. After I'd slept, and after I'd fried my GFA-1, and after I'd borrowed a GFA-555 , and after I had a walk outside behind the speakers, I realized that having 3 feet behind the speaker wasn't the issue. I had to deal with the square faced house next door. The bass to the rear was not impeded by my 1950's construction. To make a long story short, long live active crossovers ! They can make your house sound better p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
Phil Leigh;688174 Wrote: > ALL 5k aolid state amps are. 200£ amps in fancy boxes. It's the box that > costs For valve amps you can at le ast treble the parts cost - good > output transformers and valves are expensive. Ignorance is bliss: I've always been impressed with Mark Levinson power amps (that are not located in Lexus cars.) Since my main speakers are the world's hungriest, accurate .5-1 ohm is really enticing. Of course, they are now owned (like everything that used-to-be-sacred) by Harman Industries. These things happen. Electrocompanie driving Focals was also impressive since the room was totally wrong (short side front to back and the size of mobile home LR.) P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
cunobelinus;688016 Wrote: > On 2 Feb 2012, at 03:13, Jeff Flowerday wrote: > > > > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but will extend > > down to 33hz as per specifications. Who knows how much roll off. > > You could check the roll off, if you wanted to, using this: > > http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm > > and a Radioshack SPL. Only a rough guide but might be interesting > nevertheless. A bit of missing in the link: Where do you set the SPL meter to test the pink noise? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
Interesting opinions on cleaning. I've always used a discwasher and D3 after the zerostat gun. A quick google just now shows they still sell these guns though they are considerably more expensive than my antique. By "always" I mean even before CD's. The zerostat de-statics TV's and monitors as well. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
cunobelinus;688016 Wrote: > On 2 Feb 2012, at 03:13, Jeff Flowerday wrote: > > > > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but will extend > > down to 33hz as per specifications. Who knows how much roll off. > > You could check the roll off, if you wanted to, using this: > > http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm > > and a Radioshack SPL. Only a rough guide but might be interesting > nevertheless. I did this test on my recent ScanSpeak build and the pink noise raising 71db, there was a jump from 84 to 88db at 35hz. Madisound had said Bass Box 6 Pro predicted an F3 of 35.5hz. I guess the ScanSpeak specs are fairly accurate. Interestingly (it can only be environmental) the speakers gained a db/hz from 10-17hz (83db to 89db) and then retreated back to 84db at 24hz where it stayed until 35hz. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;687976 Wrote: > > > My current floor standing speakers are +-3db to 40hz but will extend > down to 33hz as per specifications. Who knows how much roll off. > > Jeff, You gave the roll off. While the makers may say +-3db, it's almost always minus. This is also known as F3 and it's the frequency where the output has dropped by half (over simplified.) Each 3db doubles (or halves) the output so F6 would be 1/4 of the output, F9 would be 1/8 of the output. I say this is over-simplified because at low frequencies (like everyone else has said,) room dynamics can damp or enhance bass response. When it comes to position, check the instructions to see how far from the walls the maker recommends. This placement has a direct effect on bass response. If they are closer than 12-18 inches, they are probably suffering. How far apart and how far away has more of a stereo imaging effect. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;687906 Wrote: > I just tried them and they had the effect that I described, otherwise I > wouldn't have posted them. I can't comment on the technology behind it, > but it is free and my system likes them, madness or not. > > Take it they didn't work on your system ? Moron is a term I believe in. Often it is translated to reflect a lack of knowledge. Given detailed directions, how could it not "work on your system?" p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
Cyille92;687926 Wrote: > I have installed the toolbox for a couple of days ; it works very well. > I have just had a look on Klaus' advises about HW modifications and the > comments about cabling (reference to Meicord). > He has referred to the cable between the cisco router and the Touch. > What about the balance of the ethernet cabling, I mean between the > cisco router and the PC (NAS or Macbook in my case) ? > Would it be relevant to get an "audio" ethernet cable there as well ? > Thx in anticipation. Audio ethernet is nonsense. This would make the answer no. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is spending more on the front end the answer?
If "front end" means input signal, I would vote no. Your ears hear the speakers and the speakers need amperes and accuracy. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks
magiccarpetride;686176 Wrote: > A definition of a being a redneck is possessing "glorious absence of > sophistication". > > Aesthetic concerns seem to be topping the list of things that remain > inscrutable for the audiophile rednecks. They only seem capable of > listening to music if they happen to be holding an SPL meter in their > hands, while constantly reading the measured values displayed on the > meter. > > Join me in this game -- you may be an audiophile redneck if... > > - you buy new speakers based solely on their measurement parameters > > - you buy new flat screen TV only after conducting a series of double > blind randomized statistically valid tests > > - you are convinced that it is only possible to hear differences > between two audio systems due to the fact that such differences exist > only in your head > > - you insist in connecting your speakers to your power amplifier with > coat hangers > > - upon buying an expensive new amplifier, you immediately throw the > power cable that came with it and replace it with a kettle cable that's > lying around the house > > - you enjoy participating in the race to the bottom by frequenting > Walmart stores in search of the shittiest, cheapest possible DVD player > (anything over $20 qualifies as emperor's new clothes), because you know > that a good DAC will render any difference in digital players opaque > > - you convert all your digital music library to 128 kbps mp3 because > you know that it is impossible to hear any difference between heavily > compressed lossy format and a high definition (24 bit 192 kHz) format > > - you frequent audiophile forums looking for people to attack, to tar > and feather them and kick them out, because such activities bring you > endless joy and make you feel great about yourself > > > Your turn... Remind me to return to the start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMfSGt6rHos I prefer the Hooter's definition: "Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined." - you buy new speakers based solely on their lack of measurement parameters (Bose is good, right?) - you buy new flat screen TV only because it's part of a deal at Rooms To Go - you are unconvinced that it is only possible to hear differences between two audio systems due to the fact that such differences exist only in your 400-600 sq. ft. apartment and a room the same size - you insist in connecting your speakers to your power amplifier with jumper cables - upon buying an expensive new amplifier, you immediately plug the power cable into a $4 6-tapper because you read in a forum that it's the best thing since sliced bread - you enjoy participating in the race to the bottom by frequenting Walmart stores in search anything in the electronics department - you convert all your digital music library to 320 kbps aac because even if it is impossible to hear any difference Apple let you upgrade for $25/year - you frequent audiophile forums looking for people to help because they really need it and because you can. Of course some people already know everything but are seeking who knows ? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks
Mnyb;687002 Wrote: > Cross posting between diffenrent forums is that not a no no of grand > scale ? > And copypasta trolling, you can of course quote , but it should be > obvius to readers that you quote someone else and not writting your own > content. > > Scientific bakground without understanding the scientific method ? Let's just leave this one to them. Maybe they will enjoy each other somewhere factless -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks
Stilly77;686863 Wrote: > wow...another dumb thread > > same old elites battling it out > > just a foolish game of domination here with not an iota of importance. > > this place is a nothing but a glorified sewer go home no one makes you come here -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ethernet Connection
It is impossible for ethernet to modify the signal from the LMS to the transporter. Sleep easily. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How to improve the sound of your Squeezebox Touch
Better speakers. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;686786 Wrote: > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows > NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Audio] > "Scheduling Category"="Medium" > "SFIO Priority"="Normal" > "Background Only"="True" > "Priority"=dword:0006 > "Clock Rate"=dword:2710 > "GPU Priority"=dword:0008 > "Affinity"=dword: > > and pro audio > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows > NT\CurrentVersion\Multimedia\SystemProfile\Tasks\Pro Audio] > "Scheduling Category"="High" > "SFIO Priority"="Normal" > "Background Only"="False" > "Priority"=dword:0001 > "Clock Rate"=dword:2710 > "GPU Priority"=dword:0008 > "Affinity"=dword: And this does what with which pc devices? I would think you could provide the initial settings. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Could you detail what the touch toolbox does? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Some folks are proud of ignorance
It's sad that facts merely get in the way of people who are proud of their lack of knowledge. "The Way Things Work" does not equate with understanding everything. Colbert popularized "truthiness." This use is a corruption of the term Verstehen. Verstehen in the sociological realm means "gut feeling." Sometimes it works and sometimes it is wrong. Truthiness is similarly detached from reality except it approaches religious fervor. At times it incites political posters, chants, and political rant. Truthiness is always right, by definition. The definition points out that reality or an appreciation of reality is not involved. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93280 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Phil Leigh;686808 Wrote: > All true... In the meanwhile, the music keeps on playing for 20 seconds > from the internal Touch ram buffer... With NO connection to the > server... Phil, They will never understand that. They don't read well. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Phil Leigh;686805 Wrote: > hmmm... It's gone very quiet... This could go one of two ways Phil, They formulate another thread ! This would keep anybody from reading previous posts. We should only post pointers to previous threads. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
pski;686803 Wrote: > Really, mine too. While intelligence in switches and routers has > mitigated TCP/IP issues, that just adds a layer of brain > farts possible in the equipment. > > P To the unicorns: brain farts are defined in the literature as things that propagate complete disconnects. brain farts improve the quality of your music by reducing it to pure zeroes. Note: There can be no improvement on pure zeroes when it comes to a data stream. The NIC notices the "connection" (which is required in TCP/IP) goes away and based on the retry and time out parameters of the software running on the NIC reports "a network cable is disconnected" for wired devices and the program/service using a wireless connection just times out. How your O/S reacts to a wireless disconnect varies widely. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Phil Leigh;686800 Wrote: > Ah ... Token ring... My favourite network topology (seriously) :-) Really, mine too. While intelligence in switches and routers has mitigated TCP/IP issues, that just adds a layer of brain farts possible in the equipment. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Hey Phil, I guess it's good token-ring faded or we would have a whole 'nother war on our hands ! Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
SBGK;686795 Wrote: > I make a change, restart the song, sound sounds better or worse > depending on the change, pulling the cable doesn't make a difference as > the bits are already in the buffer until the buffer runs out. > > What are other people finding when they make the changes ? They are finding what they want to find. Do you disagree? p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Phil Leigh;686796 Wrote: > do not restart the song! > > Just pull the plug while a song is playing... Can your hear a change? I see what you are doing here by eliminating the medium. We used to call this "A big silver bird." There was a well made point in that remark. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
evdplancke;686785 Wrote: > Another issue with cable unplugging if you are alone is that you are > typically not located at the place where you would immediately hear a > difference since your switch is typically not located in the sweet spot > of the auditorium. What does the sweet spot have to do with it? Does the music stop or does the device have a buffer? Yes - the device has a buffer No - I believe in truthiness What'll it be? P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Stop. There is no cable. How the data is sent is completely immaterial. TCP/IP is a "transmission medium neutral protocol" by definition. Wireless and wired are completely error-free or they stop. Can the unicorn people please spend a few minutes to google TCP/IP and spend a crap or two to understand the layers and what they really mean? If you really want to hate a protocol, PICK UDP. It's really error tolerant and it saw Elvis last weekend.. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
guidof;686694 Wrote: > Thanks very much for your detailed post. > > On the ART Website there is no information about bitrate output. > > One of the reviews on Amazon states: "A/D & D/A: 16 bit, 44.1kHz or > 48kHz, USB selectable." > > Although I tend to agree that >16 bits is overkill for listening to > files converted from LPs, I would like to have the option to record at > 24 bits in case any postprocessing is needed. > > Do you know if 16 bits is max. with the ART unit? > > Regards, > > Guido F. The ART I use shows (Vista CP/Sounds/recording/advanced) the box goes up to 2 ch 16 bit stereo at 48kHz. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Ripping Vinyl Experiences
I use the ART USB V.2 with a Sony belt drive and an Audio Technica cart. I don't diddle with output from a equalization basis so I use a simple program called spin-it-again. It presents a "cassette recorder" analogy: start play-hit record-play side-pause-flip and repeat. At that point the program has a go at identifying where each song starts and stops and will preview this for you. It's a button you can use any time. The songs' stream is shown in a wave form and you can drag the starts/stops and delete/insert track points. You can also stretch and shrink the wave time-wise to finely pick starts/stops. You can also adjust the "playback" of each song by percentage in case you recorded at 45. There's an album look-up that is sometimes effective. I usually use the "gently clean" option to get ride of pops & such. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93265 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
adamdea;686706 Wrote: > As a matter of fact mate i think most of us were able to predict from > the outset that you were about to do. > You are basically asking people to prove that unicorns don't exist, and > indicating on top that you will only be satisfied by evidence from > people who have seen (first hand)unicorns not existing. > > Your implication is that people who believe in unicorns are wiser than > those who don't. In fact the really wise people are the ones who spend > their weekends building unicorn stables in case one drops in. +1 I like the other one too: Q: "Do you want to see my purple elephant repellant?" A: "There aren't any purple elephants !" Q: "See how good it works ?" P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
evdplancke;686692 Wrote: > > > 1) Why does some Ethernet cables have different throughput? Is this not > related to the noise they are carrying on? What happens to this noise > when it reaches the Touch? Can't he interfere in any way with the > perfectly reconstucted signal in the signal path between the input > buffer and the digital output? Different cables have different ratings because they vary in materials and construction. High thru-put cables are not straight wires. They have very intricate loop-backs. This is done to allow smaller wires to carry high frequency signals without extensive cross-talk. Just take one apart to verify this. TCP/IP used to go only 10Mbs. As faster speeds were codified, wires had to get better. A Cat 4 cable may be able to carry 100Mbs a short distance but at longer distances physics steps in and retry rates limit thru-put. To carry TCP/IP at the highest speeds (and the distances set out in the specifications,) more carefully designed cable is necessary. "Noise" is an analog term. Since the derived data is digital, "noise" on the line is irrelevant. See #2.> > > 2) Doesn't packet loss and retransmission, packet jitter, packet size, > round trip delay,... cause CPU load that can in turn potentially cause > interferences with the perfectly reconstucted signal in the same signal > path? No. Parity testing/reconstruction/request for retransmit operations are done in the NIC (network interface card.) The CPU doesn't know anything about it. When your O/S displays packet statistics, it has just asked the network card how things are going. > The one who can give perfect and scientific answers to these questions > can wisely claim that bit perfect data means perfect signal output. The > others, if they think they are wise, should rather keep quiet... or > experiment to see if they can find some factual evidence to sustain > their claims. So, yes, bit perfect data does means the data that left the one end is the exact data received at the other. p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks
probedb;686617 Wrote: > But Phil, "audiophiles" can hear everything, they hear bats > communicating at night, they can hear the RF interference caused by a > super nova in another galaxy, they can hear the movement of tectonic > plates in the earths crust, they can hear.oh what it must be like > to be an "audiophile" ;) Our simple senses simply cannot grasp the > reality they live in. Not to mention the other obvious benefits they possess: The ability to remember tube part numbers up to ten characters and their associated sound as well as well as their damnable ability to make patterned white bread toast on their amplifiers without have to miss a single strain of music. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
mhaas;686647 Wrote: > > All recommendations for the Meicord cables on the website are based on > purely subjective impressions of people who can hear grass grow. +1 Or, I would add can hear hairs splitting .. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.- Moynihan The LMS sends data perfectly (in effect due to the TCP part of TCP/IP) to the player(s.) The players buffer the data and using the excruciatingly accurate clocks in their DSP's create an analog (or pass along a digital) signal. So long as the TCP/IP link provides sufficient bandwidth to support the music stream, changes to the LMS can in NO WAY alter the resulting sound quality. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
So long as the squeezeboxen receive an adequate stream of data from the server, any changes to the host hardware/OS will only result in an improvement in the speed of the user interface. No improvement in sound quality will result under any circumstances. Sound quality in this system is determined by the D/A converters in the players, the capability of your stereo to play them, and the bit rate/depth of the music file. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile rednecks
Worthy tweaks: 1. Read and follow the speaker maker's instructions on placement. Very few speakers are designed to sound correct jammed into corners or close to a back or side wall. If the speakers don't have instructions, get better speakers. If you are forced to place speakers based-on aesthetic appeal, you might want to consider what other compromises you are making in your life. 2. Disengage the "loudness" button and bypass or neutralize any tone controls or equalizers. "Source" and "Volume" are the only True Controls. Active equalization in modern sub-woofer applications have an exemption. 3. If you MUST worry about supply A/C, worry that your supply current is sufficient and that grounding and polarity are correct. Have an electrician set a dedicated breaker to your stereo rather than subscribing to power cable mummery. I have a power amp on the bottom of my Kappa 9's that was eating 6 amp fast blow fuses faster than a teenager eats Tic Tacs. When I moved from that house (60 amps total service/aluminum wiring) to my current home, the cure was effected. 4. Avoid any product containing the word "Monster." Avoid any salesman or vendor that points, gestures, or suggests any product containing the word "Monster." 5. If you want to be sure your interconnects are good enough, keep them away from power cables and you'll be just fine. 6. Rotate your tires. P -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
Jeff Flowerday;685719 Wrote: > If you believe SBGK, you could hack into the source server and change > priority of the streaming service. You'll get more openness, extra > detail, better sound stage, etc etc etc. > > > Sorry, I couldn't resist. +1 waiting is -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a device to make internet radio streams sound better?
Wombat;685667 Wrote: > Upsampling can´t bring back anything the mp3 encoding kicked away. If it > really changes the sound you even had a prove that upsampling is bad > because it changes the sound :) +1 there is no spoon -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
