Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MEASUREMENTS: Raspberry Pi 3 & HiFiBerry DAC+ Pro...
Archimago wrote: > Hey guys. Just posted some measurements on the Pi3 + HiFiBerry DAC > combo. I suspect many of us here are already doing this kind of thing > with Pi computers and various other SBC's. Certainly makes an > inexpensive system for a Squeezebox replacement with piCorePlayer > installed... > > http://archimago.blogspot.com/2016/10/measurements-raspberry-pi-3-hifiberry.html The D+PRO is not my daily driver, and I'm more interested in the digi+, digi+pro, and i2s-- where I find bypassing power is a fundamental improvement. So really can't say if stock USB power vs. 5V/3.3V LPS improves on the D+PRO...Buuut I've set this up just in the last few days, for another project involving making a good a/b testing platform for the Kali FIFO buffer (long story). So maybe I'll listen, then go to USB & see if it's diff. However, I noticed in your testing, you always go through USB (not GPIO)-- On the digi+ using linear power vs the stock USB power wart *thru the USB* didn't audibly change anything... also Hans mentioned this in his vid re: (usb/GPIO) whereas thru USB made no change. You can see my setup somewhere in the linux section, Kali... there's a pic.. I'm borrowing my 4x LPS's (LT3042 based, and cheap) supplies to play with this-- I'm cool if it measures the same, but would really like to see you re-run the tests taking it all the way thru GPIO, see my setup -- Then maybe play with the digi+/digi+ pro also :D 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106213 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Peter Belt Morphic Link Paper Clips
Haha, where do you find this crap? This site seriously need an AudioFool section, Audiophile is not a blanket term for that! Some of use go a little farther for incredible sounding music! 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106090 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Alternatives to MQA - "Bit freezing"
Where do you find this crap Julf? Saw the pic & reflex action closed the window, not gonna read that :D! 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106085 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
I'm dabbling w/vinyl -- just to talk intelligently about it, def has it's charm. Anyway, dumb as shit article :D 20944 +---+ |Filename: tt_acrylic_blue_puck.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20944| +---+ 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Overheating Logitech Transporter
Maybe capacitors going bad, in turn making the regulators run hot... did you try running it open, hover your hand around for the components that are running hot? Or maybe the wifi module, reseat / remove that as a test. Also the front panel mini power supply fails (little circuit board on it's own). 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105841 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16bit or 24 bit DAC..?
Mnyb wrote: > Yes the filter less NOS DAC a very audiophile solution to the > "everything sounds the same" problem ;) ok enjoy the artifacts if you > fancy. > > But as usual there are "explanations" that these things in some magical > ways really is "better" than a regular well designed DAC . > > Honestly , I think we are trolled ? the original questions is a bit to > silly , but now the tread has gained its own momentum I see re: NOS, interesting. Ok, I just drove by-- didn't read the OP, sorry. 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16bit or 24 bit DAC..?
Archimago wrote: > Hey Sckramer, cool man! A single chip version :-). I guess ya gotta save > on the power usage with batteries. > > Well, I do have a 4-chip TDA1543 I measured awhile back (bought for $60 > on eBay): > http://archimago.blogspot.ca/2013/02/measurements-muse-mini-tda1543x4-nos.html > > I'm not a fan of the NOS sound. I think some folks like them for > sounding "pleasant" with the dip in high frequency response. There's > also the issue of aliasing distortion. I'm tempted to check out the > filter characteristics of that DAC again since those measurements were > made many years back. These old chips are supposedly of poor linearity > hence the use in multiple parallel configuration to improve accuracy of > the conversion. Hmmm, maybe the single chip version has a very specific sound that sounds "vintage" -- so a nostalgia thing for people, dunno :D 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 16bit or 24 bit DAC..?
Hi Archimago, I ran across those strange TDA dacs, based on that old chip also -- here's the one I saw: what do they sound like? +---+ |Filename: tda_dac.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20442| +---+ 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105572 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Guys... Get a load of this! :-)
The guys loaded, even got one in his hand. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105523 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.
banned for life wrote: > My shop-builts have higher-quality wire and everything is > soldered...20377 Ahhh, Adcom :) -- good memories, used in college! Still keep my GCA-510 -- just put in a good ALPS bluevelvet pot, original was scratchy! +---+ |Filename: IMG_0226.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20382| +---+ CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105507 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.
arnyk wrote: > Guess what, all those supposed sins don't change sound quality, unless > you are using them as parts of sighted evaluations. > > Apparently yet another true believer in magic cables. I really don't care one way or the other, bad choice of words by me "bought into it" meant "tried" so I have a few laying around. They are just another LCR circuit, and those are sometimes magical :rolleyes: CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105507 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.
Let me play devils advocate :D These guys are jerks for selling a cable over 3 figures and faking a demo. However, know your equipment... if there are internal patch cables, or computer cdrom audio patch cables (remember those) connecting the rca input... then who gives a f***, you're wasting money. But nicely designed equipment have short pathways etc... so a well constructed rca cable will do *less* harm then the "comes with it china pack in" same even with the pack in power cords-- CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105507 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck toolbox 3.0 not compatible with TIDAL
PM'd and sent TT to you in email. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105343 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck toolbox 3.0 not compatible with TIDAL
TT is fine per say, but my eyes glazed over when this site was flooded with OS tweaks, process priorities etc. :roll eyes: I never liked 3 and never used it, thought it messed up the sound... I always stuck with 2.0, and have a nice zip & text instructions to reinstall it. Also noticed it can co-exist with EDO. If soundcheck gives permission I'll post it. I'd be curious if you even hear a diff, I always stacked it with linear power, other hw tweaks etc. -- but do all that I got it to lock in and actually sound better (this is all the spdiff out) as for tidal, don't know CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105343 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good are the analog outputs on Classic & Touch?
mlsstl wrote: > Some years back I ran a Squeezebox 3 (Classic) with a Lavry DAC. When > the Touch arrived, I did a synced, back-to-back, level-matched > comparison of the Touch's analog outputs to the SB3/Lavry combo, > > I found I could not tell the difference between the two without checking > the position of the amp's input selector switch. I sold the Lavry. > > These days I'm using a Bel Canto C5i integrated amp with a built-in DAC > so use that just because it's there. However, I find the Touch's analog > outputs very good. But, I also happily acknowledge that I turned in my > "audiophile" card years ago/ Back when I was experimenting with this, found some of the same characteristics in the analog also were in the spdif out (I call it hash), the couple mods improved the spdif out... just sounds more pure, especially when trying to listen at night at very low volume. Now I can A/B it with the rasppi/digi+ (or rasppi/dac+ for analog) (has to have linear power thru the 5V header on the hifiberry boards) and it's easy to hear to me. Also I don't think linear power does much on the touch, however it does on the hifiberry boards... (luckily didn't sell the power supply) If anyone has a CIA power supply laying around, def try the raspi/hifiberry combo. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104973 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Look at MQA...
Meridian had to know this wouldn't fly, especially with "Authenticated" in the name-- Wonder if something bigger is going on here, i.e. an Apple deal, and this is the tech behind a new HD iTunes & built into iPhone7/7s CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105070 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good are the analog outputs on Classic & Touch?
This is the audiophile section, so hopefully I won't get raked over the coals to harshly, cause this is subjective :D I just tried the touch analog out (never really tried it before) on my main system... it just sounds mediocre & grainy, you really should at least experiment with a dac! It sounds better on my computer setup... psaudio sprout & elac B6's -- but meh, I'm spoiled. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink, HDMI disable) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / displayoff plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DL3 DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104973 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Touch + Toolbox 3 + EDO = XRUN Buffer issue
sdiesel77 wrote: > Reopening this thread as still no answer found 😠> Any idea how to make TT3 work on USB? I suggest you abandon TT3, this was built and tweaked before EDO, and the latest touch firmware (7.8.something) Update your LMS to the 7.9 nightly, this ensures you have the latest/last touch firmware. Factory reset the touch, install the EDO applet. On the new "Digital Output" menu, set it to digital only. Try the large buffer, kernel idle option (avoid low power) Install the DisplayOff applet. (yes it has a bug where the backlight stays on after playlist completes, but it kills the screen process, lcd, and light) I forget how but I was able to work around it. Turn off all sound effects, animations, screensavers, etc. Use a UTP ethernet cable if possible, don't use WLAN. This easy stuff, all accessible in the menus. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DLIII DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103153 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox Touch + Toolbox 3 + EDO = XRUN Buffer issue
Whoa, who puked linux scripts on the forums? :D CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) --> Use as controller/desk/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, linear power, removed analog coupling caps, removed TOSlink & resistor, added spdif isolation transformer & bnc jack ) PSAudio TRIO C-100 (Cullen III, IcePower 300ASC's) - DLIII DAC (Cullen IV) - Energy Veritas w/Mundorf/Erse Xovers - 2x MartinLogan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas - BlackCat XV-Ultra sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103153 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > For general measurements (speakers etc.) I use a cheap Behringer UCA202, > but it is only 16 bit/48 kHz, so somewhat limited. For high-frequency > stuff I use a 'redpitaya' (http://redpitaya.com/), and for high-SNR > stuff I have been using an E-MU 0204 (24/192). > > I also have a couple of oscilloscopes (both analog and digital) and an > Agilent spectrum analyzer, but they don't get much use these days. Thanks, I'll check it out. Sometime you should try & sabotage a spdif signal... then compare it to the good spdif (the 2 analog post dac results) to each other, see what kind of effects it has on audio signal "visually" CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > I am asking you to verify 1) that the things you are hearing correspond > to objective differences, and 2) if so, what kind of differences. That's cool, plan on doing more videos on some things related to this, I'll be keeping certain pieces around as reference etc, as I learn more I'll compare. What's the soundcard/software you use? CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Not really. Just measure noise and jitter (using the 2-tone > intermodulation test). Again, doable with any decent sound card and some > software. Just look at the measurements 'Archimago' > (http://archimago.blogspot.nl/) has published. Ok, I'll check it out-- So are you asking me to prove to myself I'm not hearing anything? CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Would love to see your double-blind ABX logs... :) > > > > Oscilloscopes are good for fairly high frequency work, but their > linearity, resolution and signal-to-noise ratio are not very good. For > audio work, you are much better off with a good sound card and software. Yeah, was beginning to think, this guy knows this is impossible-- I wouldn't bring this up if it didn't significanly sound better, have you ever played with this stuff, the spdif only? To prove if noise is effecting the digital, you'd need to compare 2 signals & look for bit errors, or differences (and depending on where the bit error happens in the "16-bit" binary word... can translate to big audio blip, or nothing at all) ..then on top of that jitter can mess up when the doc should read each of these 16-bit word... lots to go wrong Think you'd need pretty expensive gear. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Have you measured the difference in jitter or noise? The fact that it sound better, compels be to like to be able to. -- very convinced you have to get this initial critical stage right... else you tune the rest of the system to cover up the problems. I'm researching how good an oscilloscope I should get... (of course I'm getting the scope for many things besides this :D) Cause I really want to know also. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > Ah, should have re-read the thread. Was assuming that there had to be at > least a DAC involved, otherwise a linear +5V supply makes no sense. Well, the spdif square wave, is an analog signal CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
I wonder if the linear 5V is a very pure source for the 3.3/1.8-- as reading some more on Daniels thread, he could not measure any noise on the 3.3V on the pi, so it's very well done... not worth trying to separate it, add a header for 3.3V etc... Any thoughts? CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Jeff07971 wrote: > Daniel (HiFiBerry team) > > Keymaster > > Note that the new HiFiBerry Digi design uses now the 3.3V from the > Raspberry. Therefore it is not easy to power the Digi board separately. > > Best regards > Daniel Bummer, now I'm really gonna bug them about making a digi+ "Pro" That is an old post about the original Digi-- but I just traced my stock Digi+ and the 3V is used. anyway, so its coming down to not using the initial usb switching supply on the pi and not using a usb power adapter CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Jeff07971 wrote: > The "Pi B+" itself (the CPU) will still have 2 "switching" PSU's as it > runs from 3.3V and 1.8V not 5V > > U3 on the schematic > > Also the later Hifiberry Digi's use the 3.3v from the Pi sourced from > the Switch Mode PSU onboard the Pi I figured re: the pi since it still needs the 3V, 1.8V Interesting on the Digi+ -- they specifically added a place for external 5V for this purpose, as I soldered on the header-- suspect that is not right on the 3V, I'll trace it & ask them. CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
BTW, this is not a knock-off chinese stamped out cookie-cutter board (HifiBerry), it was carefully designed-- Also the guy (Daniel) has nice blog post documenting some of it development... In addition HifiBerry facilitated the linux i2s drivers, for this spdif chip, and a few BurrBrown dac chips Here some of it: http://www.crazy-audio.com/2013/12/optical-spdif-transmission-and-jitter/ http://www.crazy-audio.com/2013/12/spdif-output-transformers/ http://www.crazy-audio.com/2013/10/tracking-down-noise-sources-on-a-raspberry-pi/ CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Are you guys familiar with the pi, powering it from the GPIO etc? -- I might start a thread in DIY or Linux for this... forgot I was in the crazy audiophile section :D i'm not that wacky I swear :D CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
cliveb wrote: > Please can you speculate as to the mechanism by which a linear 5V supply > gives an improvement over a SMPS 5V supply? > Bear in mind that the DIGI+ SPDIF output is transformer coupled and > therefore galvanically isolated from the DAC it feeds, so noise > transmission to the DAC via the ground plane isn't likely to be the > cause. In this case since it's audible... my theory there's less distortion in the spdif square wave signal (hence less errors on the other side) Though this guy did some nice simplified graphics on spdif and where it can go wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grzoqEb2KMk Here the 5V supply might more effective than when used on the touch... I honestly thought it was a little subtle to even care (on the touch), but couldn't hurt right? (this was 3-4 years ago) ...So I still have that linear supply, so figured try it out on/repurpose it for the pi/digi+ Now on the pi, if you power it from it's usb port, there's protection circuitry, a fuse, and a tiny switching supply (in addition to the typically cheap 5V usb supply) This setup the pi's switching supply,fuse,protection is all bypassed (you can power the pi from it's GPIO pins) -- in addition to the digi+ not pulling power from the pi-- CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > All you need is a computer with a halfway decent sound card. > > Ok > > A linear supply only makes sense if you can feed the analog stages and > the computer part separately. Linear supplies are notably bad at dealing > with the rapid switching noise from fast digital circuits. There are no analog stages CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
Julf wrote: > If you are prepared to go through that effort, how about also measuring > the difference? Yeah no, I'll invite you over, your ears can tell :D CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Logitech Transporter replacement
I recommend skipping the touch and going straight to the RaspberryPi/Hifiberry Digi+/piCorePlayer But, you have to use a 5V linear supply-- I stumbled onto this, my plan was to at least have a replacement for when the touch dies, but this ended up sounding better than the tweaked sb touch (see my sig for description -- I could do a tear down video also on that) Really was not a subtle improvement, more listenable at night & more there at low volume, very smooth/liquidy. Almost want to try & set up a good stereo mic to try & catch the difference, even thru video-- I keep the touch around as reference / a controller & at my computer desk now Did a video on the raspi/digi+, plan to do some more on my conclusions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5C5oSs5ELk Also piCorePlayer is bone simple, no extra services/screen-- streaming 24/96 to RAM, then playing & the CPU is 98.5% idle -- I ssh in and run "top" Took TT & all that junk to get the touch cpu anywhere near that CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ (BNC added, removed TOSlink) piCorePlayer (play song from RAM) - trumps sb touch sound quality --> Use as spare/reference: Touch (EDO / screen off plugin, removed analog coupling caps, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) PSAUDIO TRIO C100 - DLIII (Cullen full upg AMP/DAC) - Energy Veritas w/Custom X-overs - 2x Martin Logan Descent i - Dectet - Cardas Clear Audio/Power sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104518 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Once again - does wav sound different than flac?
WAV --> SHA1 HASH = 752A5A9A72964084E946E8F84983436939C7A1FF WAV --> FLAC SHA1 HASH = 0E282C46EF13A28D4F339DBA27D07BCE7DA527AC FLAC --> WAV SHA1 HASH = 752A5A9A72964084E946E8F84983436939C7A1FF you have the same file, you could convert this millions of times back & forth & it'll be the same, it will hash to: = 752A5A9A72964084E946E8F84983436939C7A1FF the subtle differences (if there are any) come from where you process the conversion, either the server or client... and those subtle differences come from how delicate jitter & spdif is to noise coming from the circutry around it I prefer feeding the client PCM (WAV) only, for all file types, even for mp3, then the CPU is practically idle, it just has to read it out to the PCM->i2s chip LMS makes this very easy, you can can configure that in "file types" in the LMS advanced web page and for mp3, you can use the latest lame.exe on the server, sometimes that is different also CiAudio VDC-SB - raspberry pi b+ hifiberry digi+ piCorePlayer Use as spare/reference: Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, added output transformer & bnc jack ) screen off plugin PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Dectet - Cardas clear light ic -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104227 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Suggestions for <$1000 USB asynch DAC with galvanic isolation?
I'd splurge I go with a W4S DAC2se CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100137 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Display Off screensaver
Hi Triode, I know everyone's moved on, but I just stumbled across this thread... I still use TT2.0 (3.0 doesn't sound as good for me) -- as a front end in this config I just can't beat it! Anyway thanks! This display off applet seems to work good... nice to have the screen back. So don't need to run the TT screen off correct? Thanks! CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do ignore lists work on this forum?
I think we need a meta section, talking about talking, this sure is bloating up the forums! -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
lake_eleven;697947 Wrote: > Removed toslink this weekend. Disconnected the screen too. Worth the > try!. Much reduced digital harsh/noise, better imaging, depth and > details. you mean reduced hash right? in my sys it was significant-- & was prepared to put the toslink back in if there was no change -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
lake_eleven;695167 Wrote: > any help on disabling toslink output in touch I'll start uploading a few pics... +---+ |Filename: DSC00882.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13166| +---+ -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cfraser;694561 Wrote: > I don't think we want to go down that dung-strewn path again, so by all > means read it all and try what you want and form your own opinion. > > My favorite and most-used setup is all the TT3.0 defaults EXCEPT with a > 5k buffer and Logitech priorities. My second favorite, and what I > believe to be the most accurate setup of those presented here (as best > as I can test), is the TT3.0 default and "everything Klaus", except > with a 4k buffer for here. [There has never been a decent explanation > here as to why the ALSA buffer size can make such a diff.] > > I listen to internet radio quite a lot, and so far I have *never* heard > the Logitech priorities screw up the audio, whereas I have a few times > with "stock" TT3.0 priorities...so that's another advantage of them for > me, besides that I like the sound better (less thin). I am always using > an external DAC, and I am astonished what it does to IR via the SBT > compared to the IR I get directly via my Denon AVR (this sounds truly > dreadful, all other "radio" from it incl. AM/FM/Sirius does too). I recommend using 2.0 or wait for Klaus to release 4.0 -- & also leave the audio buffer mod disabled (with 2.0) -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat XV-ULTRA digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
TheOctavist;690678 Wrote: > I hope more people participate!! Of course these things always risk > bringing the card house crashing down... nah, these are easy mods worth a try (even the hardware), read a little, then it takes only 10mins -- this thread sure makes it out to be a house of cards though! -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not > possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which > really makes the difference. Also, if you didn't disconnect the screen, unsolder the toslink, add a linear power supply, it's not a complete comparison to stock -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
Also couldn't SPDIF be eliminated as an option to hook things together? Basically make everything act like TCPIP!!! -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;690019 Wrote: > I can't justify the cost for "some cancellation" down that low. cool, just experiment with sending the stereo vs. (just the right or left channel) to it, I'd like hear how it changes things in your system -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Jeff Flowerday;689933 Wrote: > I decided to bite the bullet and get a new sub. > > http://velodyne.com/subwoofers/shop-by-series/optimum-series/optimum-10.html > > 10" Velodyne Optimum. It has presets which have allowed me to dial it > in for music, it's running off the preamp out of my Simaudio 600i. > Cross over at just a little under 50hz. After a day of sweep signals > and running the gantlet of various music I think I have it dialed in to > be as seamless as possible with my Focal speakers. > > I wasn't missing much but what I was missing has made listening to > music more enjoyable, especially at lower volumes. > > The beauty of the sub is that it has presets. I've set the Jazz mode > where I want it for 80% of my music. The Rock mode automatically > boosts the volume 2 notches and boosts the 50hz range by 4db, great for > the 80s hair metal that is my guilty pleasure. Movie mode boosts the > Jazz mode by 6db, to get the house really rocking when watching > blu-rays. > > All is controlled by my Harmony remote and the presets switch > automatically on a per activity basis. Looks like a nice sub! You should do a pair of subs, if you run a stereo signal into a single sub, you can actually get some cancellation-- -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FUD, intellectual honesty, digital facts, and the TAS articles...
^ However, they believe that copying a WAV file off a CD drive 1x vs. 16x wow, I remember in college ~1997 I was one of the 1st people with a cd burner, and I'd try to rip cd's slower, because there would be clicks if I went faster :) this was solved at least 10 years ago! -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93549 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
yeah, 2 things I've seen mentioned, but I think are not true: the touch has a NIC, I thought the ARM chip handled that, also a xilnix FPGA -- I don't think it has that either? is that correct? -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audio Myths!
mherger;683990 Wrote: > Guys - when will you learn that religious wars can't be won? So please > either stop this stupid discussion, or at least stop complaining about > each other. This thread and its relatives have caused more reports than > all the last few months worth of spam... it's ridiculous. > > And fwiw: after realising that registering with the same mail address > as user sckramer wasn't a great idea, mennace decided to change his > profile... I doubt he'll be back again. No need to ban him. I just got mad at the bickering, but people banned me cause they though I was sbgk, didn't mean for that to happen But not sure I really said anything that bad? -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92918 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
JohnSwenson;682870 Wrote: > As to putting in a BNC jack, it certainly can be done, but make sure you > use a real 75 ohm jack, BNCs come in both 50 and 75 ohm types, the 50 > ohm types are far more prevalent than the 75 ohm types, if you just get > something that says its a BNC jack it will probably be a 50 ohm type, it > has to explicitely say its 75 ohms. > > As to the clock in the Touch being almost perfect, its not. Its a > normal cmos inverter and xtal oscillator, they are not "BAD" but they > are not great either. Its definately possible to get oscillators that > are MUCH better. And going with a better clock does significantly > improve the sound. > > > So I would say that improving the clock is actually quite a worthwhile > mode if you can do it. Unfortunately there is VERY little room in there > to do it. > > John S. Just pulling the toslink out made a nice improvement, & unless there is a robust way to do a bnc, I'd rather skip that in fear it would make things worse ok, I thought the clock was good, my mistake-- -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;682838 Wrote: > seen the same mod on a modded SBT that also had an i2s mod, so am not > the only one. > > I would recommend you get these super tweeters, help get you listening > to the 20kz to 90khz range. > > http://www.townshendaudio.com/supertweeters > > together with the Bybee quantum purifiers should raise your performance > somewhat > > http://www.audiocominternational.com/bybee-quantum-purifiers-p-34.html?osCsid=eb3e434ea718831163588a51d4351e28 i don't understand this response at all -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
JohnSwenson;679417 Wrote: > Hi all, > you may have noticed that I have been absent from this discussion so > far, I have been very busy developing a new DAC with a radical new > S/PDIF input stage which hopefully will make some of this tweaking a > little less necessary. Anyway the first prototype of this new DAC is > going out to get assembled tomorrow, so I found my self with a free > evening, so I decided to finally try TT3.0. > > John S. Why don't you open source hardware it :) got some Gerber files? :) -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;681676 Wrote: > SBT is off to hospital to get a new ticker and some caps to improve the > treble, shall report back. that might be a mistake to replace the clock, the touch clock is almost perfect-- I'd rip out that modded clock before I even listed to it, to see it the bypass caps improve things, then after a week or 2 add the clock in (which might be a downgrade) -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Speaker crossover component upgrades.
here's what I did, but went overboard :) -- results are great though http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/multi-way/184297-energy-veritas-2-2i-crossover-project.html -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92810 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
You can do it without unplugging the ribbon cable, but you do need to take out the main circuit board, there are five screws, also by rip out, I mean unsolder the toslink, it could actually be put back, its not destroyed... You should hunt around, there are instructions on the best way to dismantle the touch Also while I was in there, I touched up the existing solder joints to the coax spdif w/cardas solder, mine didn't look that great. -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Turnandcough;681763 Wrote: > I think the reason for this endless tweaking is we keep trying to get > more bass from bass light recordings and then we long for those > scintillating details which, of course, come with a certain stridency > on thinner sounding recordings. > And vise versa. > Somebody should write an algorithm that adjusts accordingly to the > recording. "Auto tone control" It's not even close to a tone control, you're just f'ing with your system, with different f'd up spdif signals :) -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I bet it's depleting the file cache, no network stream at that time, except for an initial burst after reboot... A weird characteristic of your network/server (I can't reproduce this, if I reboot music just continues, never stops) What type of server are you running? -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Sbgk, mcr, cfraser Did you ever rip out the toslink LED? If not you need to... I think it's the last bit of grain, & always there regardless of tt2 or 3, sound is really really good right now and I'm still on tt2 -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Turnandcough;681764 Wrote: > I don't want to touch the flatcable - it's too fragile. I'll try the > other method. I might try a few other things while I'm in there. I > don't mind destroying the toslink. I have no intention of using it. Ok, you'll see from the circuit that it's right in parallel with the coax, always on, jst pulling power -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;680503 Wrote: > Is there a place where I could check/read/learn what people know about > TT3.0 and how it works? > Can't seem to find much in-depth in this thread or in the ones at > diyaudio or audioasylum. > > The watchdog-mod as an example. > To me it looks like the watchdog is killed by TT3.0. > (etc/init.d/rcS, line 60 ##TTWAD) > But still people report different sound when using different priorities > for the watchdog process? > > What I want to learn more about is the changes done with the mod, the > thoughts behind it and how it works. > > To be honest it's to be able to separate the mysterious reported > differences from the more believeable ones ;) > > Regards > Rolf we are in the middle of that my friend :) -- read this thread & Klaus's Blog to get caught up one misconception I see is people think this is an "equalizer" & going to use the prio settings as knobs um, no -- what it really is a jitter/spdif interference adjuster & how it reacts to your DAC-- people unwittingly might be adding jitter to add sizzle/highs, when maybe their sys is just dull sounding :) -- the best digital I've ever heard was a dCS Paganini (the music just f'ing *SOARS*, divorced from speakers & room) -- I sort of use that as what I strive for (it is redicuously expensive..and they don't use an off the shelf DAC chip (Burr Brown, etc.) they do it descretely somehow-- they have a nice (simplified) explanation of some stuff here: http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/page/myths the PLL section is interesting, in how is tries to error-correct spdif, & how different DAC will handle this differently -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;680491 Wrote: > Thanks for all the info Sckramer! :) > Looking forward to more insight in the CPU/priority mystery. > > I'm not shure how to open the windows taskmanager, since I'm not > running a Windows PC or server for the library. > Just a Netgear ReadyNAS Ultra. > > Regards > Rolf you're welcome! I'm not sure how you'd measure the network then (easily anyway) -- -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;680475 Wrote: > My library is all-FLAC > > Settings like this in LMS > > [image: http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/RODARID/HIFI/flac.jpg] > > HiRez TT3.0 > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/RODARID/HIFI/01_HiRez_music_TT30.jpg > > HiRez factory SBT > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/RODARID/HIFI/01_HiRez_music_NOMODS.jpg open your windows taskmanager & watch the network graph-- that will show where the CPU spikes are coming from-- & yep we've known since the start TT3.0 uses far more CPU -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
NoRoDa;680451 Wrote: > Buffersize: > > Looking at all my screendumps from TT3.0, Logitech default and > SBGKmods. > The buffersize is identical through them all? Strange? > Shouldn't we see a difference? > > [image: > http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a270/RODARID/HIFI/buffersize.jpg] Thats just the linux os buffer, linux uses it in it's own way-- -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jacky;680333 Wrote: > Hi > > I amuse myself again and again with these tables and all this > comparisons and am surprised whether the creators at all know what they > everything do there. > > If according to this table freely all numbers could be used, then its a > variation with 8,77^25 possibilities --> be sufficient for a while with > it to be occupied. > > I am not a computer scientist, but question to all experts and of > course to Klaus whether a CPU hardware partition only for audio channel > would be possible and thus make an end with all sets of these > priorities? > > I see already the endless discussion with the next TT4 with more tables > and confusions there: practically everyone can manipulate these values > after its taste: we have in the meantime learned like one can do these > changes... > > Jacky haha, lighten up, looks like it's whittling down nicely-- there are some linux people here-- the priorities are ratios to each other, & it looks like its coming down to the irq procs that handle the network stream & the audio processing -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cfraser;679082 Wrote: > I get a fuzziness, and here it comes and goes. It doesn't sound > scratchy, but more like the processing of some packets (or > something...) isn't totally handled to completion, almost as though it > gets interrupted lol. Hard to put my finger on, I was too involved in > listening to the good stuff. The fuzziness won't be present for long > periods, but then it shows up and stays for an extended period, then is > gone again for quite a while. This didn't happen with TT3.0 by itself. I > have not tried to investigate the issue in any way yet. When it was > sounding good it was so good I had no prob listening through the > muffled/fuzzy stuff, something I wouldn't normally tolerate, in > anticipation of when it would be good again. So, a work in progress, > and I fear I don't have enough knowledge to sort it. (I can do rt unix, > it was my job, but I don't know how the Touch itself actually > functions.) I bet that's when the FILE buffer is filling, (then the AUDIO buffer pulls from that) -- not sure the size of the FILE buffer, but it would be cool if we could experiment & increase that buffer, so it doesn't go out to the network as much-- there's around 72MB unused RAM in the touch normally looks like you hit on a process that is handling that & injecting noise-- maybe you increased it's priority, or decreased it so much it takes longer for it to complete it's process -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;677935 Wrote: > If you have done that then you should solder the coax to the board as > suggested by Soundcheck, it is worth it - big improvement (instructions > in his blog). I have removed the screen as well, this makes a difference > even though TT3.0 has the display off, but it is fiddly to reconnect and > some have destroyed the connection. > > I also have a cryo silver coax connector and it makes a big difference > in my system. ok, but you also bypassed the toslink at the same time (or did you have that out beforehand) -- any suggestions on a good bnc connector that would work (easy to install/wire)? I need to say again, removing the toslink is a big deal. (mcr, you should do this if not already--) -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Hi Klaus, Do you think there is a way to increase the file buffer (not the audio buffer you are already setting) -- when the touch is playing, top shows around 71MB free ram...? Wouldn't it be interesting to cache the entire song file, essentially idling the network and taking it out of the equation. -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Jeff Flowerday;676525 Wrote: > All I've seen is a some internal pictures with the components to be > replaced circled and what to replace them with. I'd like to dig into Caad's mods also, wonder how you go about getting the parts... sounds like he has them laying around or access to them at work-- I think places like digikey need minimum orders (100 pcs) etc. -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;676304 Wrote: > Looking at the hardware mods from caad, they look too dificult for me. I > had looked at the toslink out and noticed it shares the coax > connections, was always on and thought I didn't want any active > components interfering with the signal path, so removed it as I use > coax out. It seems to have made a difference, again less harshness and > more detail, smoother analogue sound, so am happy with that mod. > haven't noticed anyone mention it before. I was wondering about the toslink... removed mine yesterday, & it's another nudge in the right direction! Guess there's always a little more grain to remove from digital, no matter how smooth you think it is :) -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cymbop;671090 Wrote: > I've got a hunch that the VU and spectrum meters are running in the > background even when the screensaver (set to "Screen off") kicks in on > top of it. They're part of the Now Playing view unless you kill them > manually. > > I don't know much, though. Eager to see if anybody else can hear the > difference. maybe it should be set to none, instead of screen off-- you could ssh into the touch, & run top -- watch for cpu load differences-- -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cymbop;670858 Wrote: > > BONUS FINDING: When you factory-reset the Touch in order to begin the > 3.0 install, it defaults the Now Playing screen to include the VU-meter > and a cheesy realtime spectrum analyzer. Even with the screen-off mod, > the touch's processor is running the spectrum analyzer unless you turn > it off in the Settings/Screen/Now Playing menu. See if you don't > notice incremental improvement after killing them both. Maybe there is process that can be killed, added to tt -k list, people could be missing this setting -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Klaus, I remember back when I crimped ethernet cables by hand, I would just peel the sheilding back & not terminate it-- in prebuilt cables, are the sheilds tied to one of the pins? or how does that work? -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;669170 Wrote: > Instead of issuing personal attacks against me, perhaps you'd like to > explain HOW network "packet jitter" can possibly impact audio quality? > I'm sure the entire industry would like to know. > > Just completely disconnect the network from the SB (pull the ethernet > plug from the SB) - does the audio sound quality change during the 20 > seconds or so it takes to drain the hardware buffer? - no it doesn't. > During this time, The Touch is doing NO network related processing, > since it is receiving no TCP packets. The sound quality should actually > IMPROVE according to your theories. > > Anyone can try this for themselves. This test removes the network AND > the SBS server hardware/software from the equation. > > > Of course, your computer and the low-quality power supplies of your > network devices may still be injecting crap onto the mains and into the > air... really gotta side with Phil on this one, maybe there is a sonic change, but only because the touch is bleeding some sort of noise from that network section of the hardware over into the analog & spdif section, causing audio jitter or whatever-- crapshoot & beyond what I am not willing to tweak (all this router/server/network stuff) that far aaargh :) -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
cool mcr, I'll try that santana album-- Are you using a 96/24 vinyl rip, or 44/16 cd rip? Also are you using the TT3 vol100 lock? I'm still getting used to the changes my new ciaudio power supply is doing (before I try TT3 again) thanks! -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
soundcheck;667607 Wrote: > Go to the bottom of the script in the startup options section. There > you'll find tt -z Does that mean by default it does not change process priorities? Like the spdif 51 etc. -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 2.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Klaus, I looked through the tt3 script a little... I saw the prio() function to set priorities, and you have a undoc'd cmd line switch tt -z that calls prio() -- but where in the script are you executing prio()? it's was not obvious to me -- Thanks! -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Lovejoy, do you mean you maxed out the buffer at 5, or 3400? -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
"Usually all the instruments and voices become more of a point source with lots of air around them. The face or better voice of a singer is no longer 20 inches wide, it goes down to 2 inches" I don't agree with this, my experience as the system gets better & better, all the point sources expand & flesh out, most basic systems pinpoint, & I usually use as a red flag that they are probably pretty "hifi"/digital sounding ... or there are timing issus, the highs are disconnected from the mids, or the highs are over emphasized, giving you that pinched, pinpoint sound TT3.0 does not do this on my sys, everything is bigger... but yes, I think same tweaking might have to happen, as it's a little "hot" in the highs now, but have not spent enough time, might just need some room changes-- in TT2.0 i used ttbuffer at 2 cause it used less CPU & I thought it sounded better-- I still need to try that in TT3.0 also I tried the priority change script, before the TT3.0 way-- & thought it sounded brittle & dumped it-- So I'm also gonna try disabling that in TT3.0 -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
"Usually all the instruments and voices become more of a point source with lots of air around them. The face or better voice of a singer is no longer 20 inches wide, it goes down to 2 inches" I don't agree with this, my experience as the system gets better & better, all the point sources expand & flesh out, most basic systems pinpoint, & I usually use as a red flag that they are probably pretty "hifi"/digital sounding ... or there are timing issus, the highs are disconnected from the mids, or the highs are over emphasized, giving you that pinched, pinpoint sound -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
Really really good, it sounds better than freaking ever, Thank You Klaus! -- sckramer CiAudio vdc-Sb - Touch (TT 3.0 mods) PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) PSaudio ac3 / Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
ncarver;665451 Wrote: > I would keep thinking I heard weird instances of high frequency noise > when using it I was using a transparent 1.5m cable & was hearing a strange distortion in the highs, I thought it was something else in the system, or just my system -- but along the way i switched to that black cat cable (not expecting it to fix the highs), and those weird distortions went away (kind if like an underpowered tube amp fuzzy,nervous distortions), my theory was the transparent cable is to long. In the future I'll always mess around with spidif coax cables to check for differences. -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Phil Leigh;652551 Wrote: > Please try using an external DAC connected (only!) by toslink... Then > see if you can hear a difference... ok i'll experiment with it... fyi some info on my modified DAC-- the coax is isolated with a pulse transformer, it also converts it to a balanced signal ...so my DAC might be immune to noise (like toslink) also it has very low internal jitter (the mod includes a replaced clock, bypassed PLL etc--), but it does not correct incoming jitter (at least like the ESS sabre)-- should I still try this test? I don't want to confuse things-- -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Hey guys, great work on the SB_priority script, before I tried the hardwired values, but it probably was not complete because of diff process numbers-- I played around a little bit & it def manipulates the sound! Any theories on what is happening, are we just adjusting the noise / jitter going down the spdif line? I wonder if Caad, or someone with good equipment can measure the ps jitter numbers when maniputating the priorities. -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0
disable the built in touch sound effects -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84742 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
I disabled this mod, it just thins out the sound, & not as coherent-- is this changing how the spdif signal is interfered with, jitter etc? -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Squeezebox Touch Mod
Does this overlap soundcheck's mods? Maybe the same ideas are in soundcheck's latest mods...? -- sckramer Touch (TT 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitor, inductor, and resistor mods) - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89359 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox audio quality, really that good ?
Soundcheck-- what did they change in 7.6 to make it sound better? I'm still on the release version... -- sckramer Squeezebox Touch (w/Touch Toolbox 2.0 mods) - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen level 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen level 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers - Martin Logan Depth i (x2) -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88540 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does audiophile equal quiet?
Excerpt 1 sounds amazing, you can feel the impact of that big piano-- Your tracks are quiet probably because the loudness isn't cranked! killing all the dynamics, i'd just turn up the volume! -- also is that a passive preamp? -- sckramer Squeezebox Touch - PSaudio DL3 DAC (Cullen level 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen level 3 mods) - Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers - Martin Logan Depth i -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84091 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any audiophiles got a SB Touch to beta test?
SoftwireEngineer;547993 Wrote: > They said it has shipped. I will report back in a few days. Usually it > takes 50hrs or so for the power supply to open up. cool! take some pics maybe... I'm interested if a new power supply will help, the touch's digital sounds nicer than my old sb3, can it actually get better!?! -- sckramer Sb touch - PSaudio DL3 (Cullen level 3) - PSaudio Trio C-100 (Cullen level 3) - energy veritas 2.2i - Martin Logan descent -- PSaudio ac3 power cables - psaudio duet - cardas quadlink 5 interconnect -- Transparent digital cable (1.5m) - audio quest slate spkr cables biwire sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70167 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB2 and PS Audio Digital Link DL III DAC or Transporter?
pryamomimo;437187 Wrote: > Whatever you call gradual but consistent improvement in sound quality > over the course of several days after about a day or more of downtime. I > expect you are not the one to bring up listener conditioning (or > whatever it is called). hmmm... I havnt unplugged mine since I got it in march-- I know it's always on, even with no signal (leds also turn off) -- sckramer sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65035 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Digital Out 24bit/48khz Physical Limitation?
Phil Leigh;419388 Wrote: > I'm not clear why you think this is such a big deal. Can you actually > hear the difference between 24/96 and 24/48 (when properly downsampled - > e.g. by SOX)? it's not a big deal, never heard the difference -- I dont have a way to get a native stream to my dac... -- sckramer sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Digital Out 24bit/48khz Physical Limitation?
funkstar;419405 Wrote: > I really don't see the point of a device that will do 24/96 -without- > having the decent output stages. > > The audible difference between 24/48 and 24/96 are debatable from what > I've read. And the down sampling via SOX is very high quality. agreed on both, but I'm using an external DAC (stage3 modded psaudio dl3), thats the whole point & yep I bet it's negligable, I was asking if it was as simple as letting it pass thru spdif, but the HW can't do it, so "say lah vee" cool that SOX down converts, I didnt realize that, I thought the sb3 decimated it (is that the right word??) -- sckramer sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Digital Out 24bit/48khz Physical Limitation?
funkstar;419326 Wrote: > It's not just the DAC that has the limitation, the timing circuits for > the digital output is also limited to 48khz, so there is no way for > anything higher than 24/48 to be unsed on a SB3 (or any of the other > players based on that hardware). bummer, Time for a SB4... (or SB3 v2) Same exact form factor (because it's perfect) support 24/96+ spdif passthru, maybe wireless-N... save the exotic DAC & output stage for the transporter -- sckramer sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Digital Out 24bit/48khz Physical Limitation?
Hi, Could the SB3's software be changed to allow it to pass through 24/96 digital only? Maybe by adding an option to disable, or bypass the internal DAC? Or is it completely impossible with the hardware? I was thinking maybe it was limited to 24/48 because of the DAC chip -- sckramer sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62848 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
