Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SPDIF is evil
I never understood why they just can't put a decent clock and jitter buffer in the DAC . If they did , the jitter and clocking issues should disappear. A decent size jitter buffer will remove any jitter which may occur during the unidirectional transmission of the data stream from the transport device/LMS server etc. Reclocking the jitter buffer playout to the DC chip locally would also help solve the problem. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71464 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
edwardthern wrote: > Sorry I don't have several switches. > > I take it you've already done this. What did you hear? I don't hear differences in ethernet cables on my system, that's why i asked you. I am trying to isolate the conditions under which you hear these differences. I can't recall, but I do believe there are differences in how they spec'd the grounding requirements in the various CAT cables. I suspect you have a faulty P/S in one of your components which may make it more susceptible to noise which is explaining why you hear things differently. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
What about in series? Try connecting several ethernet switch's in series, (not in a loop however!) with the SB directly connected to switch one and the LMS server connected to switch 3. Swap out the cable connecting the LMS and switch 3 with your best sounding cable and let me know. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
Hi Ed, I did not run away , I was on a conference call with customers, imagine..discussing Ethernet Satellites funny enough. Anyway you never answered my earlier question regarding if you feel you could hear the difference between 2 music file"s that had been transferred from host to host via two different Ethernet cables/networks and THEN played back. I am interested in your response. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
Question: Do you feel if music content (files) are transferred from one storage location to another, over an Ethernet network and played back at a later date that there would be a difference in sound depending on the Ethernet cable used in the Ethernet network during the initial transfer? 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
You realize the increased BW and reduced crosstalk of the different CAT cables can in no way be directly utilized by the music ? It simply allows for a higher signalling rate which increases the error free frames per second . The music is simply payload within the IP packet that is contained within the ethernet frame. 10/100 Mbps Ethernet has a data rate that is way more than capable of delivering PCM music. Utilizing cables capable of error free 10G Ethernet in no way improves "the sound" over error free 10M Ethernet. If your home network is a 10/100/1000Mbps Ethernet, the equipment cannot utilize the increased "BW" of a ethernet cable capable of 10G ethernet rates. 2 different cable types delivering the frames error free between two hosts do not add or subtract anything from the IP payload, the music content is delivered at exactly the same rate or mbps, regardless if it is 10/100/1000M or 10G Ethernet and or Ethernet cables. If you like I can demonstrate this with lab results, I actually have a LMS and squeezebox in our lab. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
Julf wrote: > Well, they are at least brave enough to attempt an explanation (albeit > presenting it as a fact rather than a theory) - noise from cheap SMPS's > (that good old scapegoat) powering the switches (and affecting the > receiving streamers). As A Nokia Network Engineer (formerly Alcatel-Lucent/Alcatel/Newbridge/Bell Advanced Communications) currently in the IP/Optical Networks Division, This guy's document on switches is an embarrassment. 2 CHAN. SYSTEM SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 HOME THEATER SYSTEM SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi BASEMENT SYSTEM Duet-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's BEDROOM SYSTEM SB2-> Sony BoomBox REAR DECK/PATIO Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, OFFICE Squeezebox Boom KITCHEN Squeeze Radio ENSUITE Squeeze Radio sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] speaker advancements over 15 years?
Paradigm Model 20' (original ones) are a great speaker, well built great imaging etc. I bought a set way back for my sister. Only complaint, was the tweeter could be a little shrill. I currently have PSB's (stratus Goldi) and they are great too. I also use PMC TB1's which are astounding little box's if not a little expensive, but if space is an issue check out the TB1's You should be able to pick up a used pair for in and around $500-600. cheers, and have fun! -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88582 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cat5 or not ?
My neighbor and i installed 300' of direct burial CAT5e cable between our houses a few years ago. It has stood up to the test of time. Currently it's running at 1Gbps. i think it cost us about $100 for the cable. cheers, -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87567 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile Music File Protection
My neighbor and I upgraded our CAT5E buried service cable between our houses from 100M to GE. Both of us have a Ubuntu Server with identical large LVM file systems and plan on using the rsync application to keep video and audio files syncronised between the two servers. We are both running our own squeezecenter service however my audio file system will be master for both houses and his will be backup. His video file sytem is the master and mine will be the backup. We hope this will provide us a decent level of redundancy. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42358 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] US Amplifier advice please
Seineseeker;476345 Wrote: > Great list thanks. I don't want to spend crazy amounts, unless they come > with a 110/240V switch! I would suggest a used Bryston 2BLP. Small form factor, built like a tank (20 year warranty)and sounds great. Pick one up on audiogon for $400-800 dollars. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70001 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
iPhone;409297 Wrote: > If you are going to use FLAC or some other lossless format and can > afford the Transporter, keep it and enjoy the music instead of wasting > time setting up incorrect/incomplete testing procedures. > > First, common sense should tell you that you are wasting your time as > well as ours because the DAC chip, DAC circuits, power supplies, and > analog output section in the Transporter are superior to the SB3 in > every department! > > Second, your ears can't be trusted as they are connected to you brain > that uses all available information at its disposal to make > conclusions. You may ask if you're listening what other info is > available? I will tell you, your eyes and any misconceptions, biases, > or conclusions you have already arrived at. An Audio Engineer friend > and I have proved this many times with an experiment we repeated many > times with the exact same result every time. Bias and pre-conclusions > win out over actual facts when one is depending on ones ears to form > test results. Download the software that Phil and I have been using and > eliminate the faulty part of your testing IE your brain, eyes, and > ears. > > Third, if you don't already know that XLR Balanced outputs are superior > to RCA outs, then don't bother wasting your time and ours. > > The SB3 has a 6.0Vpp RCA line level output and the Transporter XLR is > 8.5Vpp so it had better sound louder into the same pre-amp line level > input! Should it sound clearer and cleaner, it should, but because of > the better DAC and accompanying circuits. Not the fact that XLR has > more oomph. Again the ears are misleading the conclusions and the brain > is making assumptions. Why are you so hostile? This user has great questions. IMO your logic is flawed on several points: "First, common sense should tell you that you are wasting your time as well as ours because the DAC chip, DAC circuits, power supplies, and analog output section in the Transporter are superior to the SB3 in every department!" That does not mean it's going to sound better on his system. Or if it does sound better , it warrants the the difference in price. The law of diminishing returns. And I think that is what he is trying to determine. "Second, your ears can't be trusted." WTF? Then why not buy a transistor radio? If he can't tell the difference why spend $2K VS $300? Because someone else tells you it sounds better because it uses better parts? "Third, if you don't already know that XLR Balanced outputs are superior to RCA outs, then don't bother wasting your time and ours." Your simply rude dude. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Winter coming--Need an additional radiator?
gsawdy;354564 Wrote: > Came across this : > http://www.goodwinshighend.com/silentmusicservers.htm > > Won't be cheap, but it will be the ultimate server. Add a network > card, install Squeezecenter, and put it under you favorite listen chair > = warm listening bliss all winter long! > > Just think if anything springs a leak, you could call Joe the Plumber > in person. > > George It's cool (no pun intended) but there are tons of fan-less units already available. Particularly for the SC application which does not require extensive CPU cycles. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
Nonreality;330890 Wrote: > Whatever it is, it works for my ears and brain just fine. I really > believe that dollar for dollar the SB3 is the best thing I have bought > in years. My Big Green Egg BBQ comes close but was too expensive to > compete. After spending a couple of weeks away on vacation being exposed to a $50 BBQ and the kids iPOD/music, the 1st thing I did when i got home was boot my dedicated Squeezecenter and kissed my green egg. My wife just shook her head. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
ModelCitizen;320734 Wrote: > Just out of interest, can you hear any difference when you run the DAC1 > straight into the 3B? > > MC I have never tried that. I may give it a try, if i get a few free moments. I have swapped speakers in the past, I have a old pair of Energy 22 Connie's which sound really good, but not quite as good as the PMC's. Again, i heard no difference when switching from SB3 analog to DAC-1 with either speakers connected. If i start messing around with it, i may invite my neighbor over and do some blind testing. A second pair of ears never hurts. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter and bryston bda-1
I was looking at the Bryston DAC a few weeks ago. Do they not use the same DAC chip as the the Transporter? -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] digital is digital OR NOT
"What really set the Bolder Duet apart from the stock Duet was its analog performance. I must clarify this statement by noting the digital output through a good DAC is far better than the analog output. But the difference between the stock and modded Duet is less pronounced when listening via the digital outputs." Digital output through a good DAC? Hm.. DAC = Digital TO Analog Conversion. There should not be a digital output from a DAC (unless it is a bypass/splitter feature). -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dows the server have any influence on the music?
Pale Blue Ego;319096 Wrote: > The 384 RAM was destroying the sound. Your 128-MB stick of RAM was out > of balance with the 256-MB stick. Always use balanced pairs of RAM in > a music server. First rule of computer audio. dh!!! thats brutal! You got me chuckling with that one! -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49763 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Question for Sean
I have used both the analog and digital outputs on the SB3 to feed separate rooms in the past. I will assume the transporter can be used in the same way? I am not sure what you are are using as a pre-amp/amp or receiver for your kitchen speakers. But if it is a AV Receiver (it's hard to find anything else these days) you might be able to use the digital output from the transporter to feed the Digital input of your receiver. While the transporter most likely has a better DAC than what the receiver is equipped with, I will assume that your kitchen listening is background music? Cheers, -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49460 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
pfarrell;318315 Wrote: > eiret wrote: > > Do you use digital or analog out from DAC1? > > I'm not sfraser, but the purpose of a DAC is to use the analog out. > Digital in, analog out. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Yep, digital out from the SB3 to the DAC1 and analog out from the DAC1 to the preamp AUX input. Also analog out from the SB3 directly to the preamp (analog)CD input. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
I purchased a Benchmark DAC-1 last year for my 2 channel system. I am pretty hard pressed to hear any difference between the SB3 internal DAC and the DAC-1. For reference, the system is used in a near-field listening environment and consists of SB3-> Benchmark DAC-1->Bryston BP25 preamp-->Bryston 3B Amp--PMC loudspeakers. Either my ears are "off" (which is possible) or there is a good DAC built into the SB3. My 2 cents. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does the Transporter outperform SACD (2ch)?
pfarrell;310902 Wrote: > darrenyeats wrote: > > Music companies should focus on mastering all their music better > rather > > than putting effort into quality only for the unadmirable reason of > > pushing unnecessary DRM-ridden new formats. > > But that would be hard. The PHB at the labels would have to tell the > Mastering Engineer: "Make it sound as great as you can, screw loudness > > wars" And the Mastering Engineer would say "Thank you, thank you" and > do so. > > But it will never happen until all the labels replace their idiot > lawyers/bosses > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Amen to that! -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home Theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B,2B,2B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi Basement System SB2-> Parasound Preamp (carver M1.0t) ->Klipsch La Scala's Bedroom System SB2-> Sony BoomBox Rear Deck/Patio Duet-> Yamaha Reciever-> PSB Mini's, sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48748 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] There's More "There" There!
Ah let the original poster be. If a $50 dollar ethernet cable makes his music listening experience better good for him. Personally a little bit of west carleton wild wood weed loosely rolled (not tight) in zig zag papers does if for me. And it's repeatable! -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42094 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Trade a black Transporter for a silver one?
Pale Blue Ego;234614 Wrote: > Faceplate mania...it IS distracting when things don't match. I recently > spray-painted an HDTV tuner black to match my other stuff. > > Another pet peeve is the abundance of blindingly bright LEDs on some > consumer electronics. I cover them with a bit of museum putty to > preserve my eyesight and sanity. What really pisses me off, is the vendors who insist on raised black letters on black plastic on the back of components. I have had many a tape deck VCR, receiver etc equipped like that. You find yourself on your hands and knee's crawling around the back your your components, in poor light conditions trying to figure out if it is "tape in " or "tape out". -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=39222 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Test your ears, Speakers or generate impuls response characteristics of your room!
inguz;231580 Wrote: > of course there's a name for that time interval. > "ohnosecond" ;-) ohnosecondwell done! It had me and my co-worker chuckling in the lab over lunch! might use that one if you don't mind. -- sfraser 2 Chan. System SB3->Benchmark DAC-1-> Bryston(BP-25,3B)->PMC TB2 Home theater System SB2-> Bryston(SP1,4B,4B)-> PSB Stratus Goldi sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38842 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS vs. Locally Attached Storage
Ron F.;226472 Wrote: > Donqwan, > > I don't have a lot of experience with NAS devices, but I did try one - > and quickly returned it. > > I strongly recommend a dedicated server, an old donkey of some kind, > (why do people all over the world pick on the poor donkey?) and run > SlimNAS (Slimserver on FreeNAS) on it - if you want a NAS. > > It will be much faster, and you will have complete control over its > configuration. > > Either that, or run Slimserver on your laptop like I did for a year, > with an attached hard drive. That actually worked quite well as long as > the laptop was in the house. Since it often was not, I fashioned a > dedicated server. > > -Ron SlimNAS will run on a generic Intel/AMD computer desktop etc? thats interesting. I assume SlimNAS is linux based? Oh wait a minute are you referring to Damm small linux/slimserver combo iso image? -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38314 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mark visits Bryston
Mark Lanctot;204734 Wrote: > The font is kinda retro, for sure. It's also not very legible - the > "28B SST" looked like a "2BB SST" to me, Brian corrected me. They have > such a reputation now though that a Bryston without that logo and font > wouldn't be Bryston - it's tradition. You see that font and you > instantly think Bryston. > > Actually the logo they used in '74 was interesting (take a look at that > "serial 0001") - the "B" was formed from a diode symbol and an inductor > symbol. Funny you should say that, when I took a tour the burn in bench had some Lexicon amps lined up and "humming" away. Bryston was under contract for a few years building Lexicon amps, that as far as I could tell were 4B's with Lexicon printed on the front, and a slightly higher price tag. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mark visits Bryston
Mark Lanctot;204905 Wrote: > They did have cards which identified each unit - you can see one at the > top (side) of the "veteran" as well as ones on most of the units on the > break-in bench. > > Those cards probably identified the order and dealer, they probably > don't know who the owner is yet. However Brian did show me a room full > of drawers with index cards on them identifying each and every unit ever > produced and its current owner. There would be a card reserved for > you... I took a similar tour a few years back when I was having a Bryston 4B Pro turned into a "non Pro" model. Great people, and great Engineers & Technicians. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Anyone with a Bryston amp/dac and SB/Transporter - How does the Bryston dac sound ?
Deaf Cat;199233 Wrote: > Hiya, > > If anyone does have the above, would love to hear why you prefer which > dac. > > Cheers :) I have a SB3 feeding (coax cable ) a benchmark DAC-1 feeding (unbalanced RCA cable) Bryston BP-25 preamp and Bryston 3B Amp in my audio room. To be honest, I have heard very little (if any) difference between the DAC-1 and the SB3 internal DAC. Originally, I was thinking of sending my BP-25 in for a internal DAC upgrade, but it would have cost twice as much as the benchmark DAC-1. After a few months of listening, I should have probably just stayed put with with the SB3 internal DAC. In The family room home theater I have a SB2 feeding a Bryston SP1 both via unbalanced analog and the optical digital feed. the SP1 then feeds a pair of 4B's configured in mono mode for the left/right channels. Now i do hear a difference between the SB2 DAC and the Bryston SP1 built in DAC. I prefer the Bryston, it appears a little more "open". But to be honest, the unbalanced connection between the SB2 and the SP1 is probably 12 feet long snaked across and above alot of equipment including a large rear projection TV. This may have something to do with the listening experience. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34969 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical connection - inferior by default?
The beautiful thing here is that a short run of optical or coax cable will only cost you $20-40. Buy both and have a fun evening comparing. How many times can you say you "potentially improved" your system for under $50? And if you don't hear the difference, you have a spare cable for your blu ray player or what ever might be coming down the road next. If you do hear a difference you can listen to music with smug satifaction that it's sound better than it did before, and for less than $50! If your DAC/preamp etc. only has one type of input (optical or COAX) don't stew over what you may be missing, it's probably not worth it. (I think that is where most people, including myself, problem is, stewing over what might be missing) I have used both and have not heard any difference. I have had defective optical recepticals, where the connector will not stay inserted however. I think the RCA connector (male & female) is a little more durable than the optical toslink. 2 cents in. Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33146 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Do you use WAV or FLAC ? Pros vs Cons.....Please :-)
I use both. FLAC has obvious benifits as stated. One FLAC "con" would be if you use any other application to listen to your music such as "DJ" mixing software that cannot decode FLAC files. Cheers, -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32999 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
Ron Olsen;181158 Wrote: > Here's a quote from the Audio Critic that I think is pertinent: > > "The loudspeaker will determine how your music system sounds. Not the > amplifier, not the preamplifier, not the CD or DVD player, nothing but > the loudspeaker. Speakers, even the finest, are far less accurate in > terms of output compared to input than any of those other components. > The speaker will be invariably the weakest link in the chain, the link > that limits the quality of sound reproduction. > > I am always cynically amused when an audiophile brings home a shiny new > amplifier in his hot little hands, breathlessly connects it to the dinky > little box speakers anything larger than which his spouse wont allow, > and turns on the music. The sound is exactly the same as it was before > with his older, cheaper, less fancy amplifier, but of course he will > not admit it. If he had spent his money on better loudspeakers instead, > the improvement in sound would have been inarguable." > > See > http://theaudiocritic.com/blog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=33&blogId=1 > for the full article. One other thing I should point out, in regard to our points above, I used to have the PSB Gold's in my audio room, but ended up putting them in the home theater system. I like near field listening, the Energy's just sounded better in that type of environment. Plus the PSB's are big speakers and move a lot of air, particularily with 500 watts pushing them. Which made them much better suited for the larger familly room. When we watch a concert DVD, the speakers get positioned further out in the room, otherwise they are positioned back in the corners, not optimal, but it's a "familly" room, not the "audio" room. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
Ron Olsen;181158 Wrote: > Here's a quote from the Audio Critic that I think is pertinent: > > "The loudspeaker will determine how your music system sounds. Not the > amplifier, not the preamplifier, not the CD or DVD player, nothing but > the loudspeaker. Speakers, even the finest, are far less accurate in > terms of output compared to input than any of those other components. > The speaker will be invariably the weakest link in the chain, the link > that limits the quality of sound reproduction. > > I am always cynically amused when an audiophile brings home a shiny new > amplifier in his hot little hands, breathlessly connects it to the dinky > little box speakers anything larger than which his spouse wont allow, > and turns on the music. The sound is exactly the same as it was before > with his older, cheaper, less fancy amplifier, but of course he will > not admit it. If he had spent his money on better loudspeakers instead, > the improvement in sound would have been inarguable." > > See > http://theaudiocritic.com/blog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=33&blogId=1 > for the full article. I agree, loudspeakers are the biggest factor and after that is loudspeaker positioning in the room. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
Well, after a few hours in my "audio only" system (SB3, Bryston BP25 preamp, Bryston 3B Amp, and 20 yr old Energy 22 "Connie's", I can't hear to much of a difference between the Benchmark DAC1 and the SB3 DAC. Flicking back and forth is a chore however, the BP25 remote does not allow for changing sources, the output level between the two is identical which is good. I had my 16 yr old son flick back and forth between sources while I listened for a while, but he got board of that in short order. I am going to sit back and enjoy the music for the rest of the night. When I get back my Bryston SP1 pre-pro, (it's currently @ Bryston for repair) I will try the DAC-1 in my Home theater system. This system consists of a SB2, Bryston SP1 pre-pro, dual Bryston 4B's (mono) and PSB Stratus Gold i's. I can hear the difference between the SB2 DAC and the Bryston pre-pro DAC, so It will be interesting to introduce the DAC 1 and see how it fairs out in that system. I will keep you posted. Cheers, -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] External DAC for SB
Pat Farrell;181034 Wrote: > 325xi wrote: > > mmg_fan;181022 Wrote: > >> Please, yes...I'm curious...about 80% of the reviews i've read > >> (including John Atkinson of Stereophile) give great reviews for the > >> benchmark. > > > The problem is that over 80% of user's opinions for benchmark are > > negative... :( > > Well, let me push that down to 78 or lower. > I love my Benchmark DAC-1. > > I am torn between my Transporter and my SB -> DAC1. > They both sound great, but there are differences. > > > -- > Pat > http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html Pat, I am interested in hearing about your experience comparing the Transporter and the SB/DAC-1? I am expecting my DAC 1 to be delivered today. Up until recently i have debated between purchasing a Transporter, having Bryston upgrade my BP-25 preamp with a built in DAC or purchasing the DAC-1. I decided on the DAC-1 because it was about 1/2 the price of the other 2 options. So i am interested in what i am gaining/losing with my decision. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32740 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B Testing method question
I quickly read through this thread. Question. When the test subject's said they heard the "tweak" did they mention that the sound continued to sound different after the "tweak" (i.e. as in turning up the treble would continure to sound different)? Or did they notice just a brief sound variance, (i.e. like someone quickly walking by in front of the speakers).? Thanks -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What kind of Audiophile are you?
matthijskoopmans;176998 Wrote: > Interesting point... > > I can't stand bad music. No, I don't want to start a debate about > taste, but we all know of some music that isn't worth a single bit on > your hard drive (some talent shows spring to mind). > > However, good music on a bad system doesn't do the trick either. On the > airport, I saw some people listen to music out of the loudspeaker of > their mobile phone I don't know what they enjoyed more: the music > or the fact that they could show off that their mobile could play it > :) > > I don't have a typical audiophile system. I have a reasonable amp, with > reasonable speakers. Above average, I would like to think, but not > "audiophile" equipment. The Squeezebox is the best piece of equipment > in my stack (not just for the audio, it is a great machine all round!) The music (you enjoy) is the most important component. I have spent a ton on both music and equipment. But when it comes down to it, I would rather listen to music on a poor system than no music at all. Hence the MP3 player and 12 Volt Cambridge Soundworks speakers at our huntcamp. Rock On! or Blues On. or Folk On! or ... -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32378 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
seanadams;176146 Wrote: > I realize that's what you want to do, but it is not possible because you > are talking about a buffer size that is too small for TCP to stream > audio even on a perfectly good network. Even below the application > level, the OS presents a "receive window" (buffer size) to the other > side which must be large enough to allow the sender to keep sufficient > packets in flight to achieve the required data rate and to enable the > "fast retransmit" algorithm. > > Packet losses are a _NORMAL_ occurrence for TCP. That is, in fact, the > mechanism by which TCP determines how fast it can send data. So if you > were to design a setup which fails on a single packet loss, I can > guarantee it will fail independent of whatever simulation you're > applying. > > and we have barely scratched the surface yet... TCP is extremely > complex! 50ms is a very very small about of time as far as TCP is > typically concerned. It is so small that such an outage would be > practically impossible to detect at the application level. Isn't that > the whole reason why this is a selling point of the product? > > With a VOIP stream (which is not at all like TCP) you would be able to > hear short outages - maybe not 50ms, but at 100-200ms you could hear > short clicks. Thanks Sean, I will keep looking for another application. As you aluded to, this is like pushing a square peg in a round hole. I did not think the TCP window size, would have a major impact here. I would have network mechanisms to help alliviate the sliding window (WRED)on prioritised traffic. As you can see I don't drag my head up past L3 to often, time to dust off the TCP rfc's.. Cheers, -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
seanadams;176002 Wrote: > I think you are asking the wrong question here because you are confused > about how TCP and buffering work. Case in point, it took me a moment to > figure out that by m/s you meant milliseconds and not meters per > second! > > Anyway, a 50ms delay is absolutely mice nuts. On wireless we routinely > deal with that sort of variance in the normal flow of packets, not to > mention a few percent of packet loss. Even if you could adjust the > buffer size, I am not sure what that would help you to illustrate. > > Is there an alternative failure mode (for example a competing product > which does not recover as quickly), where you would like to show that > streaming does not perform as well? If you could describe what that > failure looks like, maybe we could suggest a test to illustrate it. > > If you want to show the difference between, say, a 50ms outage and a > 250ms outage, then VOIP is probably the best thing to demonstrate. VOIP > potocols, by design, sacrifice reliability in order to achieve real-time > streaming with low latency. Squeezebox is the opposite - it plays from > stored data which can be read into its memory as fast as the network > will deliver it, even in a bursty manner, so the stream can continue > even with heavy packet loss or a complete outage of several seconds. > You couldn't make Squeezebox behave like VOIP just by reducing the > buffer size, because TCP is *totally* different! Sean I am sorry if i did not explain myself correctly, below is my simplistic view. Please correct me if I am wrong. TCP is partially responsible to ensure the data it receives from the SS is accurate and in the proper order and pass's it up to the next layer. Lets say it drops the data into the "music bucket" If an errored packet arrives at the SB it is discarded an another copy of a particular packet is requested from the SS . The upper layers of the SB's software have the task (among other things of course)to stream out music leaking from the bottom of the bucket . Because the music has to be delivered in a uninterupted fashion a certain amount of buffer space, or bucket content storing capability is built in to the SB to allow TCP time to do it's thing during poor network conditions. If the bucket size is to small or does not exist , and the network was constantly congested or in a poor state (dropping packets) it would not matter if TCP or UDP was used, the user would experience interuption in the music. The goal is to never let the bucket go empty. TCP will ensure what goes into the bucket is accurate, however the rate it fills the bucket is dependant on the network, the SS and other things. I would imagine you guy's played around with the buffer size, and examined the characteristics of the various network medium etc. at some point in time? What I was hoping to do, (it appears I can't, but thats ok) is decrease the SB buffer size, to a point that it cannot tolerate any packet drops. Yes TCP will make sure what goes into the bucket is still accurate. Our network equipment uses very quick failure recovery mechanisms, and has very deep queue's and sophisticated schedulers. By dialing back the SB's buffering capabilities, I am putting the emphasis on our network equipment to deliver the content with little or no packet drops, and very little latency. My plan was to congest the network with best effort traffic, prioritise the music traffic and introduce failures into the network, knowing that SS/SB current setup was tweaked in such a way that it cannot tolerate interuption in packet flow. I can do this all day long with a traffic generator, but seeing real life applications such as music and video is sexy and sexy sells. In a perfect world i would demonstrate the SB/SS working as intended in stock fashion, then i could dial back the buffer size to a point of lets say 75-100 milli-seconds, congest and introduce network failures and let the customer observe the results. Thanks for your time -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Digital Coax - EH???
mikeruss;170977 Wrote: > Nice reply ;-) I will take your advice > > Regarding Fibre and the internet - the reason it "appears" to be > flawless is a thing called TCP, checksums etc (I.E error correction) > not a good comparison. > > If you interested: > http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_TCPChecksumCalculationandtheTCPPseudoHeader.htm Actually there is a lot of sensitive nom IP traffic running on fiber with no issues. The issue (if there is one) is not the fibre medium, but the framing and clocking architecture that is used. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31733 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Buffering on the SB3
bpa;175886 Wrote: > I think a 50msec changeover is a bit irrelevant to a TCP connections as > long as the basic comms link stays up. If there is a glitch which > results in packet corruption/loss, TCP will arrange retransmissions as > long as the TCP connections is maintained. If the retransmission can > occur such that the missing packet arrive in time, then there will be > no gaps in the audio. > > If the changeover resulted in some loss of sync or similar which resets > the TCP connection then there would be a problem regardless of the > amount of buffering. > > So if you are demoing that "physical" comms path can be changed (e.g. > onto a different fibre in a SDH ring) without > interrupting/breaking/resetting the TCP connections, the SB will be > ideal and the amount of buffering won't really matter. Your right, I obviously did not read the other post close enough, I thought the SS streamed via UDP not TCP. As long as the SB can buffer long enough to send/receive the retransmit request/reply for a lost packet or two, all is good. We are using RSVP-TE FRR on MPLS service router platforms. Most failovers actually occur in and around 20-30 m/s. The impact to Ethernet services, and customer applications running on this infrastructure is rather negligable. TCP session dropping, will not be an issue. If i can crank down the buffer size so the SB cannot tolerate a large amount of packet drops i may have a interesting demo on my hands. (and a good excuse to pick ip a old SB1 ) -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Buffering on the SB3
Triode;175857 Wrote: > I was trying to say its much more than 50ms - its of the order of 10secs > or more depending on the data rate you are streaming at. > > [but I liked to do demos which always worked] I like demos' that work too :) However it has to work for the right reasons ;-) -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Buffering on the SB3
Triode;175847 Wrote: > SB3 will be a good demo, but only because it has a reasonable amount of > buffering and hence you will get good performance.. Its designed to > cater for Wifi dropouts so a 50ms protection switch is nothing for it. > Data is transfered from the server to player using a tcp connection and > then dumped into the internal buffer. > > Better demo would be the old SB1 streaming WAV as that only had 0.5 sec > of buffer. I agree except I am trying to demo the Fast Reroute Capabilities of our network equipment, not the buffering capability of the SB. Our equipment can protect and reroute around failures in about 50 m/s. If the end device (i.e SB) is buffering 500 m/s of content, I am not proving much. Anyone have any idea on the buffering capabilities of softsqueeze? -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buffering on the SB3
Not sure if this is the proper venue but here it goes. I was hoping to find out how much buffering capacity there is on a SB when streaming files from a SS. I will assume there is some? Question is it possible to reduce the buffering or turn it off completely? Why? I work as a Network Engineer for a large telecommunications manf. Part of my job is listening to customer (telco's, ISP's) requirements for there next gen. service offerings, and then build a "proof of concept" POC's with our equipment demonstrating why we are the best choice and meet all the requirements Blah blah blah... A large part of our POC's involve fast failover scenarios with ethernet "services". We use test sets to show 50 m/s failover if there is a failure in the network. We also use video services such as IPTV. There is nothing like watching the look on a customers face when you ask him to disrupt the network, and not a single glitch is intorduced into the the High Def. stream he is watching. I would like to introduce a SB into the lab and use it as well, simply because it is easier to set up for last minute tests. But in order to do that I must understand the buffering potential of the SB. Thanks for reading this long winded thread. Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32248 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile shops
opaqueice;17 Wrote: > It's pretty easy to have the best of both worlds in terms of fidelity > and portability. If you rip your CDs to FLAC (or another lossless > format), you can very easily convert them to MP3 all in one batch. > Then you'll have two sets of files, but the MP3s are much smaller than > the FLACs and so the total space required isn't significantly larger > (than just FLAC). Now just load the MP3s onto your ipod or whatever, > and listen to the FLACs with the SB. Given how cheap disk space is, I > don't see any reason to do it any other way. Thats exactly what i did. I point Musicmatch at my MP3 library and use it to down load to my Creative 20G MP3 player. Otherwise i listen to WAV files. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32232 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporters in MV?
Hi guys, I am in Mountain View for the week, does anyone know if any retail stores in the bay area have transporters on display? Thanks -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28781 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Raise Your Hand If You've Ordered a Transporter
TiredLegs Wrote: > I don't know about you, but if you're like me, isn't the outcome already > determined? You are going to buy one. You just need to come up with a > reasonable explanation. Then you can act as if the explanation led you > to the purchase, rather than the other way around. Ok, your scaring me! Your sounding like my Fiance. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25835 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Raise Your Hand If You've Ordered a Transporter
Going through the self justification process at the moment -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25835 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter questions for the Slim Devices folks
1st off, congrats on the new product the tranporter at least looks and specs great, can't wait to hear one. Q1, I notice it has a Digital input? Could you elaborate a little on the function? I will assume at the very least it can be used for external transports or digital outs from other sources to decode and play locally.? I am really hoping the tranporter will also allow for streaming from a external source over the ethernet. The one thing I still can't do (easily) with the SB's is streaming digital content from my HTPC DJ application to several "sync'd" SB's throughout the room. In fact, you may find a market in the professional arena if you could mod the Transporter to stream a 24b/96 input signal over a IP network. I design "triple play" networks (Voice,video,data over IP) for a living, and I believe there will be plenty of requirements for this type of thing in the future, cheaper offsite mastering of entertainment material etc. Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25781 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Familly Room SB2(wired) connected digitally to a Bryston SP-1 processor. A pair of Bryston 4B's in Mono block mode firing PSB Stratus Goldi loudspeakers Audio Room SB2 (wireless) connected via analog to a Bryston BP25 preamp connected a Bryston 3B amp firing an old set of Energy 22 Coniseours loudspeakers. In the basement I have the Slimserver server platform (AMD64 3200 in a Thermaltake tower with a 900G RAID system) running softsqueeze and connected via the soundcard to a Parasound preamp and a Carver 1.0t amp firing a pair of black Klipsch Lascala's (big brother and the holding company). -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Squeezebox Showroom
I think it would be worth while. I'm always interested in seeing other peoples setups, hearing what they have to say regarding what works and what does not. Also from a SB sales perspective I think it would be worth while, a lot of SB owners own elaborate HiFI HT setups, where the SB is perhaps the most affordable component in the rack . The average joe or aspiring audiophile might say "hell I can afford $250 for a SB, and if it is good enough for these guys with there $$ systems it should be good enough for me"! Some thoughts to ponder Sean. Cheers. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19728 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why not more Squeeezbox reviews in hi-fi magazines?
sprev Wrote: > Thanks for all the replies, but I'm afraid that I still don't understand > why the SB doesn't have a higher profile in the hi-fi press or why in > many cases it isn't reviewed at all. Here are a few potential reasons: > > The SB is too cheap. But this can't be because why then did John > Atkinson choose the Airport Express as Stereophile's product of the > year. The Airport Express is even cheaper than an SB, and hi-fi > magazines don't come more high-end biased than Stereophile. > > The SB is too geeky or hard to setup. But this doesn't seem plausible: > you just switch the SB on, install the software, and hey presto, it'll > find your iTunes collection and start playing. Installing an SB just > isn't rocket science. Many people buy wireless routers, and installing > an SB isn't harder than that. > > People prefer standalone servers like the Sonos over wireless clients. > But this just doesn't seem plausible either. I have yet to meet anyone > who would pay for an expensive standalone server like the Sonos---they > just seem to specialised, and the small built in hard-drives are > obsolescence waiting to happen. Moreover, many people already have > their music collection on their computer ready to be synced with their > ipod or other portable player. The hi-fi press loves the Airport > Express and Roku, and rate them at least as high as standalone systems: > why don't they know about the SB? > > The hi-fi market is too small. But this doesn't seem right either. The > hi-fi market is huge. It contains more than just the high end that > Stereophile caters for---magazines like What Hi-Fi? cater for systems > from $200 upwards. > > The wiff from the hi-fi press is that computer-based music servers are > one of the most exciting thing that has happened in home audio for a > long time. A lot of people are interested in it. Why isn't the SB > getting in on this action in a more explicit way? I don't want the SB > losing out to Roku, or some equivalent weaker system, that happens to > get the market through better publicity. Over the hollidays I was in one of the more credible audio stores in town (Ottawa Canada) checking out the boxing days sales. I spied a SB3, the salesman said it was the hottest item in the store during the Xmas season, they only had one or two left. So I guess it is catching on...Ottawa has lots of high tech however which may help the acceptance understanding factor. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19598 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why not more Squeeezbox reviewsinhi-fi magazines?
CardinalFang Wrote: > I'd like to see a system with built-in RAID5 support - that's my biggest > woory with a system like this using one disk. I'm trying to work out at > the moment whether to add more disks to my PC via a RAID card, or go > for a NAS solution - or buy a custom server. I'll eventually need about > a terabyte (assuming 750G after RAID5) so that I can digitise all my LPs > too (how about an LP ripping service via one of those laser turntables > anyone?:-)) Interesting you should bring that upBest to give a lot of thought up front or you may run into the issue I did on the weekend. I have had a dedicated server in the basement for a couple of years.A pc case with 4 additional fans, I would keep slapping in hard drives a new IDE controller/or memory when required. The server held all my mp3's (350 gig worth) Grateful dead SHN concerts etc. The rest of the familly mounts the folders remotely to access music from there PC's laptops etc. via the WiFi network.I would access it via my HTPC, and of course it now has the slimserver service runnign on it. Occasionally I will back important things onto a external 300G USB drive which I keep off site (at work). Earlier in the fall I started ripping my CD collection to the server in native wav format, that takes a lot of time, and is not something I plan on doing again. I started thinking about that, and about hard drive failure (remember it's not "if" it's "When") so I asked Santa Clause for a Thermaltake Server case for Xmas, and I bought 4x 300G SATA drives and a Promise SATA/RAID 5 controller over the hollidays. I installed everything in the new case, looks great, however I have incompatibility with the existing controllers, "conflicts"I sure I can get around it with another RAID controller, but that means a lot more mussing about and another few trips to the computer store. While I doubt I would ever pay someone to set up a server for me, it can become a pain the ass doing it yourself. good luck -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19656 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: optical out ?
LavaJoe Wrote: > Good question, and I don't know the state-of-the-art in DACs, but the > older ones definitely do try to clean up the clock using a PLL > (phase-locked-loop). They have to let the source clock (the SB3, e.g.) > determine the clock rate itself (in other words, you cannot have an > independent clock on the DAC), since small rate differences will > eventually over or underflow the buffer. A PLL uses the source signal > as the clock rate, but it cleans up the jitter by evenly spacing the > samples (in essense, filtering out the jitter). > > Audiophiles and stereo salespeople say that it's still a problem, since > the more "correction" the DAC has to do to a jittery signal, the more > new jitter (or residual old jitter?) is introduced indirectly. If the > source is very clean, as the theory goes, the milder amount of cleanup > causes fewer side effects electrically and the whole system will > produce a cleaner output. The same theory is proposed to explain why > even corrected errors from CDs in the transport cause degradation of > sound quality - the act of correcting stresses out the system and > creates jitter, electrical noise, or whatever. > > Not sure I really believe these theories, but that's where the whole > thing goes into the realm of "hard to prove." Not sure I believe them either . IMO, if you design a external DAC with X amount of buffer space, you should be able to eliminate all external jitter (jitter being time variances between data samples arrival at the DAC input). Now once that sample is buffered you should be able to stream it internally to the DAC, if it is designed correctly, a very controlled environment therefore not introducing any new jitter (or very little). In my mind a simple buffer eliminates all external jitter and any problems it may cause. Regarding over/under flow of buffer space. I'm not sure that i follow. Assuming the SB2 is the source it's providing the clocking for the data arrival to the DAC device buffer . Even if it was clocking at bit fast, a 64 M buffer will more than handle it in all residential applications. 64 M of RAM purchased in bulk commercially can't run you more than a few bucks. Less than the gold leaf writing on the front of the DAC device (but thats marketing a real black art) .However as I stated earlier, maybe I don't comepletly understand the problem. -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: optical out ?
Maybe I don't understand everything that is involved here, but I often wondered why jitter is an issue at all between components such as a SB2/3 and a DAC or in my case my Bryston Suround Processor preamp. If the physical interconnect's and coax/optical cables create jitter or timing issues, why don't more DAC's have buffer space? With the prices companies are charging for these devices, surely a relatively cheap fix would be to provide sufficient buffer space on your digital input of your "DAC Device", and then re-clock? Is this to simple of a fix? Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18772 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Quick question: CD's per hard drive
adhawkins Wrote: > Hi, > > In article , > sfraser forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > If you plan on using other application's, computers (HTPC) etc., > make > > sure your other favorite applications support FLAC, or have a FLAC > > plugin available. In my case I use Musicmatch and Mixmiester, > neither > > support FLAC (as far as I know), but do have other features and > > benifits that I enjoy, therefore WAV/EAC was the lossless choice > for > > me. > > Not necessarily. It's easy enough to convert from FLAC to any other > format. > I have a script that runs over my collection converting them all to MP3 > for > my IPod for example. > > Andy Sure, but that might be defeating the purpose. Having multiple copies of the same song in different formats probably happens a lot, but I don't think it is something you should strive for. Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Quick question: CD's per hard drive
While I agree that FLAC encoding via EAC is a great way to go in regards to saving disk space, and sound quality etc. One thing you should ask yourself. Is Slimserver/Squeezebox the only thing you will use to listen to your music collection stored on your hard drive(s)? If you plan on using other application's, computers (HTPC) etc., make sure your other favorite applications support FLAC, or have a FLAC plugin available. In my case I use Musicmatch and Mixmiester, neither support FLAC (as far as I know), but do have other features and benifits that I enjoy, therefore WAV/EAC was the lossless choice for me. Scott -- sfraser sfraser's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2026 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: EAC vs Musicmatch
Ah Thanks Pat! I'm aware of the online CD database's but where was screwing up is creating the local directory structure. I will give those paramaters a try tonight. I did not know you could place directory "\" between the optional paramaters. Thanks Again! Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: EAC vs Musicmatch
jhwilliams Wrote: > If you assume not bit errors, then yes, they will sound the same ;-) > > There will undoubtedly be errors, but as to how significant an effect > they have -- that all will depend on a variety of things, especially > your equipment + setup. I'd try an experiment on a few key pieces of > music that you have and make an evaluation on that. > > I've never bothered with a comparison between EAC unsecure mode and > another piece of ripping software - EAC probably has the edge due to > the features it uses (even unsecure), but if I had to take a view, I'd > say that it would be impossible to tell the difference by ear. > > I have re-ripped everything I have using EAC secure to FLAC - of course > my starting point was an AAC/MP3 library so it was an easy decision. Thanks for the reply. One thing I like about musicmatch is that I can easily create the following c:\artist name\cdtitle\songtitle.wav.. Now I know I can do it with EAC, but as far as I can tell, it requires me to manually type in the artist and album title, to have them created as separate directories? Did I miss somehting? Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sorting files by bitrate
radish Wrote: > I'm curious - what do you use Mixmeister for on an HTPC?[/QUOTE > > Typically I use it to make mixed 6-8 hour party music mix's (my wife > and I are Parrotheads). I remote desktop into the HTPC ( which is > connected to my Home theatre and networked into my music server in the > basement) from the remote desktop session on my laptop I spark up the > mixmiester application and start creating music mix's. It will allow > you to mix and match WAV/MP3's etc. It also cross fades between songs/ > or lets you do your own mixing. it's quite a nice app with a user > friendly GUI. I have the house "wired for sound" so I can pretty well > build and monitor these "mixed playlists" from most rooms in the house. > Usually it takes me a few weeks working on my spare time to make a party > mix, but I find it really enjoyable dropping in songs and trying > different combinations, it usually involves a little imbibing and > combustables if I am lucky :) > > Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 "audiophile edition"
Nope. I bet they would sell more @ $2000 than $1000. It's all in the marketing .. Don't forget the gold plated ethernet jack..;) Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Sorting files by bitrate
I do have approx. 150G in FLAC/SHN format, (internet music archive). However I also use some other music app's on my Home theatre PC such musicmatch and a DJ app call mixmiester. I use these apps quite a bit, and they don't support FLAC.Therefore I rip in WAV format using musicmatch which does a good job with the ID3 tag. Like most people on this forum, I listen to MP3 @ home only when it is the only version of the song I have, however I listen to MP3's exclusively in the car, boat and @ work. So in a nutshell thats why I rip to WAV and mp3 and end up with duplicates. Thanks Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sorting files by bitrate
Hi, I was hoping someone could help me out. I have approx. 40K songs in MP3 format, but I am also in the process of ripping my entire CD collection (500+) in WAV format to my Slimserver. There are a lot of duplicates, I was hoping that I could sort songs/files by bitrate on the SB2 in similar fashion that you can browse by album title or artist? My server has 5 HD's, two are for MP3's and one is currently being used for WAV's. I am sort of getting arround the issue at the moment by using my wav directory/HD as the SS music source directory and then dropping in windows "shortcuts" which point to the MP3 folders on the other HD's. This will work if work if I choose to browse by file folder on the SB2, all the wav files are configured in a directory structure "artist/CD/songtitle.wav" And of course in the root I also have MP3vol1,MP3vol2, etc. I was hoping there might be a better way? Thanks! Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] EAC vs Musicmatch
Hi, I am new to the SB2 SS products but have been storing wav files on hardrives for years. Quick qustion, I see alot of people like using EAC product for ripping CD's. What are your opinions regarding file/sound quality of using a product like Musicmatch to rip CD's in WAV format VS EAC in unsecure mode? I will assume as long as there are no bit errors in the ripping process the files will be identical and therefore sound the same? thanks Scott -- sfraser ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
