Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
iPhone;291742 Wrote: > All joking aside, at least the wife lets you enjoy your hobby and even > allows the buying of new stuff. Most of us can’t have everything, > so at least having a better half that allows us to enjoy our hobby is > more then half the battle. > > After all these years my better half finally understands the difference > between a boom box and good stereo understanding why something that just > produces sound is not the same as a system attempting to produce music > as it was actually recorded. I think over time good music reproduction > grows on everybody and they begin to realize a boom box for what it is, > a substitute of convenience or last resort! Actually it was quite a battle with my wife to be able to bring these babies home. My wife still does not understand the differences between a clock radio and a good system. But then again I bought the Meridian F80 last month I went nuts in buying new gears in the past few months, now the wife would probably kill me if I bring another black box home. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
ModelCitizen;291744 Wrote: > I'm perplexed why you asked this here. The Naim forums seem the obvious > place to ask. > > MC Actually I cheated, I asked in both forums. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291339 Wrote: > Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it > 24/7. > > Some Naim head who seems to be in the know told me to buy a pair 20W/8 > Ohm resister and connect the two ends to the +ve and -ve of both the > left and right channel and play music on it 24/7 I'm perplexed why you asked this here. The Naim forums seem the obvious place to ask. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291545 Wrote: > Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. You have upgraded your equipment. Now maybe it is time to upgrade the wife, or at the very least get a mistress that loves music! All joking aside, at least the wife lets you enjoy your hobby and even allows the buying of new stuff. Most of us cant have everything, so at least having a better half that allows us to enjoy our hobby is more then half the battle. After all these years my better half finally understands the difference between a boom box and good stereo understanding why something that just produces sound is not the same as a system attempting to produce music as it was actually recorded. I think over time good music reproduction grows on everybody and they begin to realize a boom box for what it is, a substitute of convenience or last resort! -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291623 Wrote: > Preferably one with a seperate power supply? There is inuendo there somewhere, but for the life of me I can't think what it is :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
funkstar;291615 Wrote: > Have you considered a new wife? > > Or at the very least a large dose of antihistamines? > > :P LOL a new one wouldnt hurt. Prolly time for an upgrade? Preferably one with a seperate power supply? -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291545 Wrote: > Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. Have you considered a new wife? Or at the very least a large dose of antihistamines? :P -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
GuyDebord;291483 Wrote: > Iphone, how long do your tubes last? I treat my beloved Valvo's E188CC's > from my preamp stage like jewels, If I forget to turn them off one > night, the next day I feel bad Off the subject, but they last until they need replaced (which is my personal inside joke). I look at tubes like most people look at gas for their cars in that new tubes are part of the operating expense of my pre-amp and audio hobby. I change them at 70 percent of their rated life or sooner if need be. Most of my tube friends look at it in one of two ways again with a car analogy. They either think their tubes are like a F-150 Ferrari to only be driven on special occasions (read turned on rarely) or treat their tubes like the tires on an old beater changing them only after the cord is showing or one blows. I guess the tubes are being used an average of 12 hours a day doing actual amplification work and the other half of the day at idle (heater voltage). So I am of the opinion that heating them and cooling them everyday would be about the same wear and tear on them as just leaving them on all the time. Besides it saves me from having to wait for them to warm to the sweet spot every morning. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
JJZolx;291542 Wrote: > Does your wife not like music? Turn the system on, tune into her > favorite radio station, tell her to adjust the volume as she likes. Unfortunately, wife is allergic to music. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
Does your wife not like music? Turn the system on, tune into her favorite radio station, tell her to adjust the volume as she likes. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
Thanks all. These advices sound quite sensible. I think I will just let the amp settle in by itself in its intended environment. I also was sceptical in burning in amplifiers, but this Naim pair does sound very hard edged in the first couple of days and is improving. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
iPhone;291405 Wrote: > My amps do not have an Off switch and since I listen to over 10 hours > of music a day, I never shut my tube pre-amp off. > > Iphone, how long do your tubes last? I treat my beloved Valvo's E188CC's from my preamp stage like jewels, If I forget to turn them off one night, the next day I feel bad -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith;291339 Wrote: > > 1. Is this an effective way? > 2. Will it hurt my equipment? > 3. What volume should I feed it, if I crank it to max volume will it > burn out the amp? Or will it cause a fire hazard? > 4. How long can I do it continuously without hurting the amp? > > This seems like an attrative way to do it as it means stressing the amp > without waking up the neighbour and the wife. Patience is the road to audio nirvana. Never connect anything but a proper speaker system to your Amp! Can other test equipment be connected, yes, in a lab or repair center. Answers to your questions: 1. No 2. Probably (and maybe burn down your home) 3. Do not even try this 4. Again, do not attempt Your Nice equipment was probably already burnt-in and tested at the factory. Additionally, you leave your equipment on as I do. The amp needs turned on for about 2 hours to be in the so-called sweet spot. All you need to do after that is enjoy the music. Cranking up the volume to max under a load does nothing but make heat and a possible fire/shorted amp in the case of 20W 8ohm resisters (and all for nothing). After being on for a week and playing 20 or 30 albums at normal volume, the Naim will be all settled in. Modern IC electronics need little more then to be warmed up to their operating temperature to be in the Zone. My amps do not have an Off switch and since I listen to over 10 hours of music a day, I never shut my tube pre-amp off. Lastly, there are all kinds of opinions on the subject of Burn-In. In my opinion only speakers need anything more then 10 hours to be at factory reference levels. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
twylie;291399 Wrote: > wire one of the speakers out of phase, set them facing each other about > a foot apart and play mono white noise through the system. If you need > to, you can throw a blanket or quilt over the speakers to help deaden > the noise, but if the drivers are well matched, they should come close > to canceling out each other. But if you do that, the quantum particles inside the amp's electrons will be confused and out of phase, grumpy, and will not sound right when you re wire. The amp will be burned in to excell with out of phase music quarks. Just ask any quantum scientist like Jack Bybee. Or ask Opaqueice, I am sure he will concur with my assesment. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
wire one of the speakers out of phase, set them facing each other about a foot apart and play mono white noise through the system. If you need to, you can throw a blanket or quilt over the speakers to help deaden the noise, but if the drivers are well matched, they should come close to canceling out each other. -- twylie Thecus N5200 -> transporter -> Krell KRC2 -> 4 x nuforce 8b -> Von Schweikert VR-4 Gen III Thecus N5200 -> SB3 -> Monarchy DIP -> Monarchy Super DIP -> Monarchy 18b -> AES 845 monos -> Sonus Faber Concertos / Audio Physic Sparks twylie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=956 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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agentsmith;291356 Wrote: > LOL how true (re buyer's remorse) > > Unfortunately wife doesnt work and just stays home and bosses me around > lol. you could send her to your in-laws? Just enjoy the "burning" its part of the process, why accelerate it? -- GuyDebord Reference3A RoyalMaster monitors biwired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon & Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) & v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
pfarrell;291354 Wrote: > agentsmith wrote: > > Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast > it > > 24/7. > > So turn it up when you both go to work. > > Not sure that burn in is real, but it does help get past buyer's > remorse. > > Pat > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ LOL how true (re buyer's remorse) Unfortunately wife doesnt work and just stays home and bosses me around lol. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
agentsmith wrote: > Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it > 24/7. So turn it up when you both go to work. Not sure that burn in is real, but it does help get past buyer's remorse. Pat -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
adamslim;291344 Wrote: > I've never been a great believer in burn-in, although my speakers are > sounding much better now than when I first got them - unless it's just > me getting accustomed to them... > > Anyway, it sounds like you have a nice system so why not just use it as > normal (maybe leave the amps on 24/7) and enjoy it? The downsides of > wiring up resistors incorrectly - especially with Naim amps, which > usually need some inductance to keep them stable IIRC - are > considerable. From your other thread it sounds like this is a big > step-up already, so relax and enjoy the music :) Thanks I have always used Naim amps and they never get turned off anyway. I did not believe much in burning in either, but the 202/200 were incredibly hard when first arriving and is already improving a lot after a couple of days. I think I would take your adivce and keep it slow, instead of risk buring out $5000 worth of equipment. Thanks by the way. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
I've never been a great believer in burn-in, although my speakers are sounding much better now than when I first got them - unless it's just me getting accustomed to them... Anyway, it sounds like you have a nice system so why not just use it as normal (maybe leave the amps on 24/7) and enjoy it? The downsides of wiring up resistors incorrectly - especially with Naim amps, which usually need some inductance to keep them stable IIRC - are considerable. From your other thread it sounds like this is a big step-up already, so relax and enjoy the music :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burning amp in with dummy load
Trying to burn in my Naim 202/200, but wife would kill me if I blast it 24/7. Some Naim head who seems to be in the know told me to buy a pair 20W/8 Ohm resister and connect the two ends to the +ve and -ve of both the left and right channel and play music on it 24/7 1. Is this an effective way? 2. Will it hurt my equipment? 3. What volume should I feed it, if I crank it to max volume will it burn out the amp? Or will it cause a fire hazard? 4. How long can I do it continuously without hurting the amp? This seems like an attrative way to do it as it means stressing the amp without waking up the neighbour and the wife. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46295 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
