Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;203872 Wrote: > I'm visiting tomorrow. The receptionist was pretty enthusiastic about a > tour and told me to just drop in. > > They're only about 3 km from my afternoon appointment, a good way to > spend an hour or so in the morning. > > I may not be allowed to take pictures inside but I will take a photo of > the exterior of the building at least! > > Now...I just hope I am not sorely tempted by B-stock because I don't > have the budget for it at the moment. :-) Complete write-up and photos at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35553 -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;197543 Wrote: > I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on > business. I'm visiting tomorrow. The receptionist was pretty enthusiastic about a tour and told me to just drop in. They're only about 3 km from my afternoon appointment, a good way to spend an hour or so in the morning. I may not be allowed to take pictures inside but I will take a photo of the exterior of the building at least! Now...I just hope I am not sorely tempted by B-stock because I don't have the budget for it at the moment. :-) -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910&postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
I see that maybe you misunderstood me, I too said it's missing some speed and woofer freedom. Uptight would be the word. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
The way the second hand hifi market is, you can have some real fun experimenting with speakers in the sub £1000 price bracket. I never found the bass on my OB1's fast, just slow and "lumpy". Part of it was down to the room, but any speaker design that attempts to get such low freq. extension with small woofers is going to exhibit this trait to some degree. It's down to physics unfortunately. If you want "real" bass from PMC, I'd suggest their new EB1's (£5k..ouch!) -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen, it is Audio Research SP16, dynamic, forward and bassy. I agree on cables but once you tasted it no way back, I mean on difference possibility, that PS cable isn't so special. Andyoz, when the bass kicks it's great, very deep and strong, as I see it OB1 is neutral as 4B and that could work with certain upstream components even with badly recorded music. I don't have to tell you how realistic this sounds with audiophile CDs. If I am to say what's missing, it's speed, I want it more flabby and jumpy :) -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
I really don't think the OB1's will ever give you the sound you're after. Just unscrew one of the OB1 6.25" woofers and hold it in your hand...that will give you an idea of how far off the mark they are. By the sounds of it, the woofers on those things must be hitting their "stops" at the levels you are running. I don't know what you paid for them, but if you bought them second hand you wil get your money back. You have a good neutral amp now. Don't be afraid to experiment with three ways with larger woofers. -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Yup, sterile sound at low volumes about sums it up. At high volumes it's very different for me. Cable I already hate myself for getting this far into this audiophile world. I think if I started comparing cables it's time to jump off Brighton pier! However, if it's not too expensive I may have a punt just to convince myself cable can make no difference to the sound... :-) ... groan... I'm more interested in this valve pre-amp. What is it? I have a pair of old Quad IIs and when I fixed them up to the Arcs (which is no way could they drive properly) I was immediately gobsmacked by the voluptuousness of the sound (this with big slow synth washes). Maybe I should just have done with it and copy Adam Slim's ultimate timbre valve set up.. :-) or stick with the radio. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen, don't know about the distorsions, never heard any but then again I'm never even near the max. About the sterile sound, if I may call it like that...I have the the exact issue (and taste in music) and it took me some time to figure out it's Bryston+PMC studio sound by swapping cords and preamps. I'm sticking with my tube preamp, that's the only thing helping it to some extent. Btw adding PS Audio Statement SC power cord to the Transporter made it sound dark with deeper bass, so you might try that too. But then it's missing some speed so see what is more important to you. Heh funny is that I'm blaming my room too while in the other room with the same conditions some plain pc speakers are more fun to listen to :\ Live and learn... first I wanted precision and strong bass, now I want it all muffled so that it's more musical. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Nope, no switches. I'm now really confused. I think the 4B might be too powerful for the OB1s, in that the OB1s appear to distort if I play a loud track at full volume the Bryston red clipping leds do not come on so I presume it is not the Bryston amp clipping. If this is the case, the OB1s are being driven beyond their full potential by the 4B and the Transporter combo I guess. I've just looked at the Bryston spec for unbalanced/balanced. It looks like you get 6db more welly by using the balanced outs. However the inputs figures look like this is negated... but I have to say I am getting very lost here. >From the 4B ST spec sheet: Gain: # 29dB (unbalanced) # 23dB (balanced) Input sensitivity (balanced): # 2 Volts in = 100 watts at 8 ohms # 3.0 Volts in = 250 watts into 8 ohms # 5.6 Volts in = 800W into 8 ohms Bridged Input sensitivity (unbalanced): # 1 Volt in = 100 Watts at 8 ohms # 1.5 Volts in = 250 watts into 8 ohms # 2.8 Volts in = 800W into 8 Ohms Bridged Input Impedance # 50 Kohms unbalanced # 20 Kohms balanced Power Output: # 250 watts per channel into 8 ohms # 400 watts per channel into 4 ohms # 800 watts, bridged into 8 ohms The OB1 spec says: Impedance # 6 ohms nominal Recommended Amp power # Up to 300W It's just struck me that I'm talking mainly about the bass distorting. Maybe that's the key. --- Nuhi So far, the Bryston compared to the Naim it's really a bit too early to be certain and I'll need to add some caveats: My room is bad... large rectangular with speakers at one end. hard wood parque flooring. Not too many soft furnishings. The NAIM amp was not powerful enough to drive the OB1s and clipped before the OB1s had really kicked in. But The Bryston imaging/sounstage is much more defined. The sound is more anodyne. It' more exact but has less excitement than the NAIM. It's not as in-yer-face. The Naim amp seemed to project the music out of the speakers into the room more. It was more vivid. Voices (Choral.. Arvo Part stuff, or Jan Garbarek and the Hilliard ensemble), well recorded classsical.. come across really well. However, the background sound of the recording equipment is much more noticeable than ever before. This is odd and I find it extremely annoying. The sound is all very clean generally. Although the Transporter is by far the best of all the network player/Dac combos I've tried so far (amounts to only four) it is still thinner, has less weight and is less punchy than my Naim CDX. I think the OB1s and my damn room sort of exaggerate this and I am left with a sound that is thinner than I want and seems to lack mid bass and enoigh punch/welly. Saying that, the Bryston gives me more punch with the OB1s than the Naim did. But this does not come close the the punch and welly provided by the CDX/Naim amp/Shahinian Arc combo. I've done virtually all my playing around at volume. When I've turned the volume down to background listening levels the sound has become flat, dull, thin, colourless, uninteresting and a waste of time. The Arcs/Naim set up sounded infinitely more likeable and listenable at low volumes. My main love is a certain type of electronic music which really needs a much more prominent mid bass than I've got at the moment currently the very low bass comes through really nicely though. I'm looking forward to trying the Naim pre-amp on the Bryston/OB1 set up.. and especially to adding the CDX to this. Last caveat: further listening could entirely alter the opinion above. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s. or not SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Does the 4B ST have 1V/2V "gain" switches on the rear panel. The SST does and with my SB3, I have to set it to the 'lower gain' setting of 2V and I still feel I am getting a very high level out of it. If I set it to the 'higher gain' setting of 1V I would be worried about blowing something. ust curious if the ST has these switches? -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen, thought that you might experience that, it will not go to it's full potential without a preamp, simply not enough gain. And those PMC speakers are hard to drive as it is. Borrow some preamp at a friend or a shop. Paring source and amp without a preamp is a lottery. What about the sound compared to Naim? Maybe too early to comment. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
mcBaby02;197869 Wrote: > Check out if there is any short circuit. Cheers. I've been meaning to post back. I had prepared box, letter, ra, etc to post the amp back, went downstairs to amp with the box, saw I'd forgottent ot turn the amp off so tried playing some music with the Transporter... and it worked! Nothing had changed since the night before so I am expecting it to happen again but meanwhile I've just been listening to it. nuhi... definitely not as loud as I expected a 300w amp to be. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s. or not SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197629 Wrote: > Gawd, don't you just love the men on this forum. If they can't kill off > a thread with an agument about jitter, abxing or somesuch they try your > car! > > MC Tee hee... The car is an easy one! -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Phil Leigh;197597 Wrote: > Well...that says it all really: > 1) Audi - good but not great > 2) TT - Oh dear > So you have paid over the odds (unless you bought used) > welcome to he world of audiophilia :0) Gawd, don't you just love the men on this forum. If they can't kill off a thread with an agument about jitter, abxing or somesuch they try your car! MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s. or not SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Andyoz;197592 Wrote: > Well, you do drive an Audi TT !! Well...that says it all really: 1) Audi - good but not great 2) TT - Oh dear So you have paid over the odds (unless you bought used) welcome to he world of audiophilia :0) -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197567 Wrote: > Is this another reference to my driving skills? > MC Well, you do drive an Audi TT !! -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Andyoz;197477 Wrote: > At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you > will. Is this another reference to my driving skills? MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s. or not SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197545 Wrote: > I can't see any reason to use a pre-amp as the Transporter has one and > received wisdom is that using the built in Transporter stuff should be > better than using yet another device (pre-amp). However, I shall be a > little annoyed if the Transporter does not drive the ST properly and > the sound is harsh and non-dynamic or the volume is not there. It wasn't harsh sounding but it was more flat than it was with the preamp. Now this could be due to the fact that I use tube preamp and not used to all-solid-state, I'll let you know in 2 days how does a Bryston preamp sounds compared to no preamp if you're interested. Volume was there, and since you listen to it loudly it will be dynamic as well. But to me it's the "pop" issue alone that makes preamp a must. If you read my first post while I had some issues with the network the Transporter reset itself and I heard a loud pop out of the speakers, the pop is actually same as playing something at max if there is no preamp. It can be devastating to the speakers and your ears. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197547 Wrote: > I can't imagine that will be too interesting. It's probably one > (underemployed) guy and a bench. > MC I don't know, the company is obviously enthusiastic about their product. Whether they welcome interested people in is another matter though. I've been on lots of factory tours (and worked in lots of production facilities as well) and they're always interesting. This one would be extra-interesting because it regards a product I'm interested in. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Mark Lanctot;197543 Wrote: > I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on > business. I can't imagine that will be too interesting. It's probably one (underemployed) guy and a bench. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197470 Wrote: > I'm talking to Andy Wilson at Bryston and sending it back (to Luton). So they have local service facilities? I wonder if they allow factory tours. I've been in town twice on business. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Robin Bowes;197541 Wrote: > How many trees did you hit on the way??? :) > R. The trees were all very stationary that night. :-) MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen wrote: > The Bryston's appear to be built like brick out houses. They are > incredibly solid and heavy. The damage could have been caused whilst I > was driving from Pease Pottage to Barcombe but as the amp was in it's > box in the boot of my TT and I did not drive across fields I doubt it. How many trees did you hit on the way??? :) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197532 Wrote: > > nuhli... do I understand you correctly?... do you run a Bryston 4B ST > (or SST) into OB1s with a Transporter? If so, can you get the volume > extremely loud indeed? > > I want extreme volume. Yes you did, can you imagine that, completely the same except that I usually use the preamp. When I connected it without the preamp it was too loud for my taste even at the -14dB on the Transporter, jumper set at 0dB. But it's a small room so I understand if you needed max volume. It only got more dynamic as it was louder, thus I concluded that it does need a preamp, at least for this combo. If you want it extra-loud and above all more dynamic I recommend an active preamp trial then maybe you won't have to crank it up so much, it does make a big difference. Here is some info on the subject: http://www.high-endaudio.com/RC-Linestages.html#Int -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
The Bryston's appear to be built like brick out houses. They are incredibly solid and heavy. The damage could have been caused whilst I was driving from Pease Pottage to Barcombe but as the amp was in it's box in the boot of my TT and I did not drive across fields I doubt it. I really do think it's all a coincidence but we shall see what Bryston say. They are interested in the problem and interested in the Transporter as they have asked me for details of the unit. Andy... Bryston have been perfect to deal with. They answered my query about whether the amp had ever been returned for repairs before within an hour (by email) and gave me tips and a speculative diagnosis over the phone. They suggested I return it and immediately supplied me with a returns number. I think they are genuinely interested in the problem. I don't think they see one of their amps go phut very often. nuhli... do I understand you correctly?... do you run a Bryston 4B ST (or SST) into OB1s with a Transporter? If so, can you get the volume extremely loud indeed? I want extreme volume. MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
haha...AWOL is a bit of a strong term come to think of it. I think Bryston are the best. I even read a story of someone with a really old Bryston that was purcahsed when they 'only' offered a 5 year guarrantee. When they announced the 20 year guarrantee policy, they applied it retrospecively to his amp when he had a problem with it in the 18 year or something like that. How's that for confidence in their own products. -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Andyoz;197486 Wrote: > I didn't say there was anything wrong with Bryston...probably why I OWN > ONE! :) ok pardon my English, searched on the net for the AWOL explanation. It's just I'm kinda jumpy because I don't want that my thread provokes some bad vibe on any of these products, this is all just a big coincidence. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
nuhi;197483 Wrote: > Andyoz, there is nothing wrong with Bryston, his model is the older one, > it could have gotten damaged during transport. I didn't say there was anything wrong with Bryston...probably why I OWN ONE! -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197470 Wrote: > > nuhi... I have not had this set up before. This was the very first time > I plugged the Transporter into the Bryston. I only got the Bryston last > night. Prior to this I'd seen/heard it working driving the rear > speakers of an incredibly ott system. Aaa true I was remembering your OB1 with Transporter in the combo, we share that too, weird how similar paths are taken, must be some kind of marketing angle that suits us. Anyway keep us updated. Andyoz, there is nothing wrong with Bryston, his model is the older one, it could have gotten damaged during transport. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Oh bugger, so the Bryston has gone AWOL. Maybe it had a hard time in transit. I really can't believe you're luck after all the time you spent looking for one!! At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you will. How have Bryston been to deal with? -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Oh bugger, so the Bryston has gone AWOL. Maybe it have had a hard time in transit. I really can't believe you're luck after all the time you spent looking for one!! At least it's a Bryston so the guarrantee will last longer than you will. How have Bryston been to deal with? -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
I'm talking to Andy Wilson at Bryston and sending it back (to Luton). The things is over 20 kilos though! I think I must just have been unlucky. The Transporter in NAIM power amp worked fine for ages. I think the Bryston blowing 5 seconds after I plugged the Transporter into it must just be a pure coincidence. However, I will get an analysis from Bryston. Skunk. I've tried the Bryston with an SB3 and my NAIM pre-amp with NAIM CDX with the same results. nuhi... I have not had this set up before. This was the very first time I plugged the Transporter into the Bryston. I only got the Bryston last night. Prior to this I'd seen/heard it working driving the rear speakers of an incredibly ott system. -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197402 Wrote: > One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. > Quite a big problem. :-( > MC If you weren't driving the amp into clipping and what not then simply take it on the warranty for the repair. And while you're at it ask them why did it die and let us know so that others can be careful. Find exact Transporter output impedance and capacitance and then talk to the Bryston (James Tanner). But you had that combo for a long time, I've been reading your posts before buying Transporter to see how it goes, weird that this happened now, I guess you didn't crank it up fully before. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
ModelCitizen;197402 Wrote: > One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. > Quite a big problem. :-( > MC Have you tried/could you try a cd player or other source going into the Bryston, to make sure it works as expected? Was the amp working properly in another setup before trying it with the Transporter? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
One channel dead and the other very reduced volume. Quite a big problem. :-( MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Well it worked fine for me if you don't count that heating up which was from the amp in the first place. What's the problem? -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Is anyone using a Tranporter directly into a Bryston 4B ST or SST successfully via unbalanced outputs? My 4B ST appears to have developed a problem just after connecting the Transporter and ramping the volume up. :-( MC -- ModelCitizen It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. Transporter > Bryston 4B ST > PMC OB1s SB3 > NAIM NAC 102 > NAIM NAP 180 > Shahinian Arcs http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
nuhi;196497 Wrote: > So the only logical conclusion is that it was due to the proximity to > the power amplifier when moved one shelf below. Or that was just a coincidence, and the problem was caused by some other variable which changed around the same time. If you suspect that the heat from the amplifier was causing the problem, you can easily test that by putting a fan in front of it and seeing if the problem goes away. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
seanadams;196494 Wrote: > Transporter is not a power amplifier, it generates only a tiny little > signal at its output. There is nothing about the "load" on the output > or the volume level that will change its temperature. Really, forget > about it - the problem is somewhere else! Ok, ok, I hope I didn't annoy you. So the only logical conclusion is that it was due to the proximity to the power amplifier when moved one shelf below. Thank you for your help, case closed, paranoia shut down. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
nuhi;196484 Wrote: > > Wasn't using any attenuation because it wasn't needed. Read the > directtoamp guide and it seemed fine. I used it carefully, first > lowered the volume (can -15dB warm it up?) then turned on the amp. Transporter is not a power amplifier, it generates only a tiny little signal at its output. There is nothing about the "load" on the output or the volume level that will change its temperature. Really, forget about it - the problem is somewhere else! -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
seanadams;196480 Wrote: > There is nothing you could connect it to that will make it get hot. Is > there reasonable ventilation? It's not right on top of a hot amp is it? > At any rate, the electronics are quite tolerant of high temperatures, > and I doubt your disconnects have anything to do with that. It is > almost certainly a wireless network or server problem. > > Also, you did set the attenuation jumpers right? It is wired connection and it was always fine. But maybe I should have reset it, seems like it has some issue if you unplug the LAN cable then return it, with fixed IP. Also could be due to my Windows so lets not go there. About the heat. It is on the shelf, every component on it's own. Maybe it was due to the fact that usually it is on the top, nothing above it, and when I tried it directly to the amp I have put it to the preamp position instead of preamp, one step below, then it had upper shelf above it, but still kinda stretched theory because it was playing only for 10-15min and preamp works fine being there. Anyway I'm glad to hear from you that it could not be the issue due to the amp interaction. Wasn't using any attenuation because it wasn't needed. Read the directtoamp guide and it seemed fine. I used it carefully, first lowered the volume (can -15dB warm it up?) then turned on the amp. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
There is nothing you could connect it to that will make it get hot. Is there reasonable ventilation? It's not right on top of a hot amp is it? At any rate, the electronics are quite tolerant of high temperatures, and I doubt your disconnects have anything to do with that. It is almost certainly a wireless network or server problem. Also, you did set the attenuation jumpers right? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
cliveb;196474 Wrote: > Do you know the input impedance of the amp? It strikes me that it would > have to be *very* low to cause this sort of problem. My own Transporter > is connected directly to power amps which have an input impedance of > only 10kOhm, which is pretty low these days, but it doesn't get warm. > > I'd be inclined to believe it's more likely to be a short circuit > somewhere. How did you connect the TP to the amp? They say 50k Ohms for the single ended which I used. Seems kinda big, shouldn't be the problem. Heh short circuit, I don't think so, I'm not playing with such an expensive equipment. -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
nuhi;196467 Wrote: > Why no one warns about this, seems to me that the impedance of the amp > was too small thus stressing the Transporter...or is it something else? Do you know the input impedance of the amp? It strikes me that it would have to be *very* low to cause this sort of problem. My own Transporter is connected directly to power amps which have an input impedance of only 10kOhm, which is pretty low these days, but it doesn't get warm. I'd be inclined to believe it's more likely to be a short circuit somewhere. How did you connect the TP to the amp? -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Directly to amp, stresses the Transporter?
Hi, today I had a close call with the Transporter. Connected it directly to the amp (Bryston 4BSST) because of all the hype. Sounds nice, little more detail, less dynamic than with the preamp but after a while it started to disconnect from the server. Then a loud pop while reconnecting...even though the audio is "Always On", hm. Now that wasn't the most important issue. The bigger problem was that the Transporter was very warm, and that was probably the cause of the disconnections. So now I quickly returned the preamp and all is fine, almost cold to the touch. Why no one warns about this, seems to me that the impedance of the amp was too small thus stressing the Transporter...or is it something else? -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34650 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
