Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Phil Leigh;309588 Wrote: > Probably not, no. > > The really big improvement would be to clock the SB from the DAC. > Anything else is just tinkering with the quality of the SPDIF waveform. > Have you checked yours on a scope? The DAC is the determinant factor > here - or rather how well it can recover the clock from the SPDIF. I think that you are referring to the following Phil which is what I intend to do. http://home.socal.rr.com/audio_gestalt/default.htm -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. tyler_durden;309548 Wrote: > There is nothing to add. This thread is stoopid. There are no facts. > No information. It's a bunch of people speculating over possible > causes of some effect that the OP may or may not have heard. > Meanwhile, throughout all this, the OP neglects to mention that he > listening to a modified device- far more likely to result in changes in > sound than changing server hardware. It reminds me of a bunch of 10 > year olds speculating over whether the red or blue light saber is more > deadly. What could anyone add to such an discussion that would make > any difference in the outcome? > > Checking out... > > TD OK, I know technical discussions can confound some people and I sympathise with your predicament. Basically what that story was telling you is that if the thread annoys you, you DON'T have to come here. Simple isn't it? Now, as regards the SB3 being modified. It doesn't make the slightest difference in the context of the subject of this thread. Unless you are suggesting that the SB3 is intelligent enough to know when it is connected to different PC's, and (wilfully) changes its sound quality accordingly. In other words, my original question was about the server end, not the SB3 which was the constant (not variable) factor in the equation. The question of modding was brought up and I had the respect to answer it. Again, nobody is compelling you to read it. On the other hand, if you can show good reason (better still evidence) why the mods discussed don't work, then please enlighten us with your knowledge rather than hurling childish insults around. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk;309509 Wrote: > Well, I'm looking to go to I2S soon anyway. I know you get rid of one > connection but does soldering a flying lead offer that much of an > improvement over a BNC socket/plug? Probably not, no. The really big improvement would be to clock the SB from the DAC. Anything else is just tinkering with the quality of the SPDIF waveform. Have you checked yours on a scope? The DAC is the determinant factor here - or rather how well it can recover the clock from the SPDIF. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. tyler_durden;309515 Wrote: > PS- When is someone going to start selling modifications to the server > software that "improve" the sound? I should write a Bybee-style Cleansing FIFO software mod.. I could make a mint. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. leo:);309532 Wrote: > You got anything productive to add instead of just trolling? There is nothing to add. This thread is stoopid. There are no facts. No information. It's a bunch of people speculating over possible causes of some effect that the OP may or may not have heard. Meanwhile, throughout all this, the OP neglects to mention that he listening to a modified device- far more likely to result in changes in sound than changing server hardware. It reminds me of a bunch of 10 year olds speculating over whether the red or blue light saber is more deadly. What could anyone add to such an discussion that would make any difference in the outcome? Checking out... TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Tyler, the best that I can do is offer you a little story. It could be the most important thing you ever read! The Mullah opened his lunch sack, took out his sandwich, opened it and then sighed loudly. "What's the matter, Mullah?" Asked his friend. "Every day I open my lunch, hoping to see something good waiting for me, but everyday I get the same sandwich... Tuna fish. I hate tuna fish sandwiches." "Well", said his friend, "That is easy to fix. Why don't you ask your wife to make you another kind of sandwich?" "That's just the trouble" replied the unhappy Mullah, "I don't have a wife. So I have to make these sandwiches for myself!" -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. This is getting so silly I can't believe it. Now we find out you're not even listening to a Slimdevices product. Raising doubts about your own, modified unit is one thing. Implying that the problems it may or may not have are somehow related to the off-the-shelf Slimdevices product is something else entirely. ANYTHING could be wrong and could make bad sound if the modifications were not engineered properly and implemented properly. Is there any black electrical tape wrapped around any of the wires? Were all the connections soldered? Did the modifier use rosin core or acid core solder? Pffft! TD PS- When is someone going to start selling modifications to the server software that "improve" the sound? -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Phil Leigh;309360 Wrote: > Thanks - what's the transformer? > If it were me, it get rid of the BNC's and solder a flying lead > instead... Well, I'm looking to go to I2S soon anyway. I know you get rid of one connection but does soldering a flying lead offer that much of an improvement over a BNC socket/plug? -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk;309292 Wrote: > Here is the circuit diagram Phil. In my opinion (although it could be a > placebo effect!!!), this still doesn't match the digital output of the > Transporter (perhaps not surprisingly given the power supply of the > latter). The next step would be to supply a separate power supply for > the circuit, something that I hope to try a bit later. Thanks - what's the transformer? If it were me, it get rid of the BNC's and solder a flying lead instead... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Phil Leigh;309278 Wrote: > Remind us what was modified about the digital out... Here is the circuit diagram Phil. In my opinion (although it could be a placebo effect!!!), this still doesn't match the digital output of the Transporter (perhaps not surprisingly given the power supply of the latter). The next step would be to supply a separate power supply for the circuit, something that I hope to try a bit later. +---+ |Filename: spdif_mod8.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5246| +---+ -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. I have voted No primarily because my SC PC is also the homeserver and acts as the backup for all the other PCs in the house as well as a central storage for music/data/photos etc etcIt sits in the garage and can make as much noise as it likes, probably not the greenest of PCs but I decided that I didn't need a NAS as well as a PC being on at the same time. -- MuckleEck Alasdair SB3 -> Linn Majik - Acoustic Energy Extreme 5 (garden) | SB3 -> Cambridge Audio 640R - Morduant Short (TV room) | SB3 -> AudioEngine 2 (bedroom) | SB3 -> AudioEngine 2 (kitchen) | SBR -> Music Fidelity X-A1 - Mission 701 (office)| Chumby (bedroom) Last Fm http://www.last.fm/user/MuckleEck/ MuckleEck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk;309204 Wrote: > It's not that I'm not curious but I don't have analogue outs! Well I > only have one as the other was removed to make space for the modified > digital out. Remind us what was modified about the digital out... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. bigfool1956;309197 Wrote: > I see you are using an external DAC, which I didn't notice before. > > In that case, no difference is what I would expect. > > If you're the curious type, you might try the same using the analogue > outs ! It's not that I'm not curious but I don't have analogue outs! Well I only have one as the other was removed to make space for the modified digital out. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. I see you are using an external DAC, which I didn't notice before. In that case, no difference is what I would expect. If you're the curious type, you might try the same using the analogue outs ! -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Despite an excellent supper, and the evening sun streaming in through the windows, I have to report that I can't hear any difference! I assume that I am doing it correctly, ie toggling that top setting between 'native' and 'disable' and then clicking on the APPLY button at the bottom right of the screen. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Yep, I think that's right, although I must admit that I find the new SC7 layout non-intuitive compared to SS6. So try toggling the top option between disabled and native, and see if you can discern a difference or not. I have an impression of the general trends of what people have found, but rather than influence you, I will save that till later. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. I hope I have got it right! +---+ |Filename: filetypes.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5245| +---+ -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Hi Nuuk, Sorry I'm not going to be near my home computer to be more precise today. If I remember the screen correctly, you have three boxes next to flac, something like: flac > flac/native > wave > MP3 if you set it to: flac > flac/disabled > wave > mp3/disabled then try toggling the first option to see if you find a difference or not. Sorry if that is a bit vague, perhaps someone else you be more precise if they are sitting at their server. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Chill, point taken and I do actually understand what the placebo effect is. But I have been seriously into this game for a long time now, including writing reviews for TNT for a couple of years - something that I take very seriously. Not that writing reviews makes me immune to to making mistakes. Due to ill-health, I don't go to work so have far too much time to play around with the hi-fi. Doing a lot of diy work, my hi-fi gets changed around far more than most. I agree, changing something can have a temporary affect of appearing better and then after a longer audition not. I also know that what I hear can depend on the mains supply variation, the weather, and even my health/mood. Some of you may say what has it got to do with hi-fi but I've been meditating regularly for the last 30 years and that does help me to understand how my mind is working. I'm fully prepared to accept that a setting was 'wrong' in Squeezecenter but not that I was suffering from a placebo effect for nearly three weeks. If I was then please ignore all my reviews! In fact ignore just about everything subjective written by anybody! ;-) -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. bigfool1956;309001 Wrote: > Nuuk, here is something to try: > > In the file types section of advanced settings, try changing the > behaviour of flac files from flac > flac to flac > wave, and back > again. > > David, when I go to the ADVANCED/File types page and look under FLAC, I have the options FLAC Native/Disabled and WAV Flac/Disabled. I'm not sure how I do what you suggest. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk, here is something to try: In the file types section of advanced settings, try changing the behaviour of flac files from flac > flac to flac > wave, and back again. The first causes the flac to be decoded natively in the hardware, and the second causes it to be decoded on the server. The second option can cause wireless throughput issues, however. If you are wired, there will be no issues. Many people (but by no means all) have reported a difference in the sound between these two options. I have found a difference using a TP, and I prefer the native decoding. This is nothing to do with the accuracy of the bits, as people have independently checked the bit accuracy of the native decoding. There is obviously some other mechanism at work, but I know not what. See what you think. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk I'm on the fence on this, so I'm not suggesting you did fall prey to the placebo effect. So this is in the sprit of your 'for the sake of argument' idea. The placebo effect tends to be self-fulfilling. It only takes the merest suggestion that there is a difference, for that difference to work its way into one's brain. Unless it can be killed off to the satisfaction of one's own brain (eg DBT), then it is all too easy to continue to hear the difference, and even for that difference to increase. Sometimes that 'merest suggestion' can be something as simple as the price paid for the new kit! In your case it certainly seems that you weren't looking for a difference, and weren't expecting it. It seems reasonable to hope that it was something like a different setting. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. OK, for the sake of argument, let's accept that it was a placebo effect. But what caused it? Because surely for a placebo effect, there has to be some form of suggestion, eg. a sugar pill in the case of a medical effect. I made a change to my system, ie, I installed Squeezecenter on my main PC and listened to that instead of the music server PC. I had been told that Squeezecenter was quite an improvement over Slimserver but have been auditioning hi-fi long enough not to have any preconceptions. Initially I didn't really notice much difference. It was only after a few days, and then over a period of about 10-14 days that I realised I wasn't actually enjoying what I heard. I keep a diary of any modifications that I make to my system but hadn't written in the the bit about changing PC's etc. So I can't see that the idea of a placebo effect is applicable in this case. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. With all due respect, you do not seem to understand that the placebo effect is not something one can "rule out" because of perceived "major differences." Additionally, perception is not fact. You heard a difference, and that difference may have truly existed, but it has nothing to do with different sound quality based upon different computers running SC. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. aubuti;308803 Wrote: > It's not that it's a sensitive issue. People have patiently explained to > you that it was most likely the bitrate limiting setting, but you no > longer have any way of confirming what the setting used to be when you > heard the difference. And I accepted that it could have been the bitrate limiting. aubuti;308803 Wrote: > People also suggested blind AB testing to rule out placebo effect, but > you don't appear to have done that. And I stated that the difference that I heard was large enough to rule out the placebo effect. It is not me not listening to what has been said but those of you who won't accept that I am reporting a fact, not an opinion. I live alone but am willing to hear of a practical way to do a double-blind audition using two PC's when somebody (else)has to switch between the two. aubuti;308803 Wrote: > So people are tired of wild speculation about other causes for your > perceived difference in sound quality (different PCs, undocumented > changes in the software), neither of which make any sense from a basic > engineering standpoint. Please give me an example of any "wild speculation" other than me asking quite legitimately if it could have been the hardware. I did question Ron F's comment: "A strong machine that never goes down, never gets mucked up, never gets tasked heavily with doing something else," because I genuinely didn't know if he was inferring that when a PC carries out other tasks, whether it could affect the performance of SlimServer/Squeezecenter. Ron F has now kindly responded to my question but how are people to learn if they don't ask? Again, I asked a legitimate question here, post number 10 in the thread would seem to confirm that. Some of you guys need to learn to chill-out. If something in a thread annoys you and you can't (or don't want to) make a contribution to the subject without getting personal, just move on, go for a run, take the dog for a walk, or whatever you need to do to relieve your frustration. To the others who have helped me, I thank you for your time and knowledge. -- Nuuk Nuuk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4844 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does a dedicated music server make a difference
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 Question: Does a dedicated PC/music server sound better than a PC used for other duties? - Yes it does. - No it doesn't make any difference. Nuuk;308661 Wrote: > So are you saying Ron that sound quality could be affected when using a > PC that is used for 'other tasks'? > > I don't think that was the case here because the sound now appears to > be the same on both PCs after replacing Squeezecenter 7.0 with 7.1. Of > course, as Phil pointed out, I may have had something like the Bitrate > setting in 7.0 set wrong. I was not talking, or even thinking about sound quality. I was talking primarily about reliability of your music source. -- Ron F. *Squeezebox setup:* wireless SB3 -> CI Audio VDA.2 DAC + VAC.1 PSU *Main rig:* NAD 7600 + NAD 2600A -> Phase Tech PC-6.5 speakers *Headphone rig:* Headroom Max -> Sennheiser 650s *Music Server:* Nano-ITX computer running SlimCD + 750 GByte HDD -> Netgear wireless router *Other stuff:* NAD C542 CDP, NAD 6300 Tape, Monster 5100 Power conditioner, Outlaw Audio cables Ron F.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5616 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48430 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
