Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I second the motion for a 24/192 capable Transporter "Mini," to use with the Controller and your own choice of DAC. I currently have a Benchmark DAC-1, but would love to audition a Berkeley Audio Alpha DAC. I think the high-res download market will really take off in the next year or so, and Slim/Logitech needs to offer a slimmed down device to be well-positioned for that market. Otherwise, I'll be looking for another audiophile-grade product that fills that niche. -- sleepysurf main system: sb2 (with elpac linear psu) > benchmark dac-1 > modwright swl 9.0se > belles 350a reference > ml summits. audience au24e and blue jeans cables. secondary systems: sb3 in master br (russound r235ls amp driving in-ceiling speaker) and game room (powered swan s200a speakers), with boom in home office. sleepysurf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
My niche product would be a transporter style half width box with no wireless, no dac just spdif outlets. probably an AES outlet too. (I don't use AES but it might help if the Transporter Mini had some diversity!) On board linear power supply of course. There could be an off board power supply connector too for the lunatics (That includes me) that want to connect a external 24V power supply to it. Build this now, you know it makes sense. -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>ESPAudio P09B Active filter>NAP140+260A>Rhapsody, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Intrepid Ibis server, linkstation for storage. SB3 Flycatcher 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeCentre 7.3.1 testing mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
mswlogo;380356 Wrote: > I agree but there is no legal way that I know of to put lossless 24/96 > multi-channel music on your server. The only source material is DVD-A, > SACD, BD. As you might be aware of, not all of us live in the USA. For me (as a Dutch citizen) it's perfectly legal to rip a DVD-A, SACD or BD. I'm legally allowed to create a backup copy for my own use. It's not always technically possible but that's a different story... -- servies There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't. servies's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9496 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
mswlogo;380356 Wrote: > I agree but there is no legal way that I know of to put lossless 24/96 > multi-channel music on your server. . Linn and Gimell offer Studio Master 5.1 dowloads, DRM free. The Gimell ones are 24bit/96khz; the Linn ones vary with the recording method they used at the time. See here: http://www.gimell.com/catalogue.aspx?filter=Studio+Master+Pro+5.1 http://www.linnrecords.com/catalogue.aspx?format=surround -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
mswlogo wrote: > I agree but there is no legal way that I know of to put lossless 24/96 > multi-channel music on your server. Do you not know of the analog hole? Put the disk in your favorite player. Connect six or more outputs to a six or more input ADC. Turn on record, press play. One can argue that the resulting 24/96 is not bit perfect, and that is true. But if 24/96 output is good, any decent 24/96 ADC will record it. DRM is pointless. Any "pro audio" store will have what you need. Or your local Guitar Center. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
Mnyb;379348 Wrote: > I agree that 24/96 is more or less as good as music encoding ever needs > to be. > The format is better than any Hardware or Software that's supports it, > which is as it should be, the 24/96 format itself is never a > bottleneck. > So i think this 96kHz vs 192kHz is a red herring. > > To get more musical enjoyment I found that going multichannel is the > way. > 6 channels of 24/96 can be glorious :) It's not a gimmick it can work > (stereo was once considered "gimmick" by mono flat-earthers ). > This *really* increases the spatial information for your brain/ear > system. > I suppose anyone with an DVD-A player have heard it that way. > > So I would put an multichannel capable SB high on the wish list. > This is probably never going to happen as the amount of suitable music > downloads in multichannel high rez is minimal. and low rez multichannel > can > be catered for by streaming dts files I agree but there is no legal way that I know of to put lossless 24/96 multi-channel music on your server. The only source material is DVD-A, SACD, BD. And even if there was a way they would have to find a secure way to output it (I suppose HDMI could work) but that could get messy with no video. Meridian has had issues around getting their encryption approved so they could support multi-channel lossless off BD to their digital speakers. Finally I think they are approved and a solution should be annouced this Thursday at CES. It gets very complicated with multi-channel. By the way high bitrate DTS sounds fantastic off the transporter. It's more the multiple channels that your liking than the boost to 24/96. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
To chime in here... I'd jump all over either an upscaled Receiver or stripped down Transporter. Just give me the best 24/96 transport you can to be used with SqueezeCenter, the Controller and my own DAC. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
NewBuyer;379841 Wrote: > Me too - I would be very much in favor of a digital-only Transporter, > especially if it came without the volume control knob. In fact, I > would buy it immediately. Yesss I would like that to, I thought about mention it in this tread but I always plead for that all the time... Can we please have 24/96 digital output. In fact can we please have 3 or 4 digital outputs for multichannel 24/96 (dream on). As you can see i have a suitable digital processor/preamp and the very nice DAC/analog parts is redundant in my case. as 99% of my files are 16/44.1 my SB3 will suffice as a digital transport for now. -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
Themis;379693 Wrote: > Personally, I would prefer a killer digital transport... Me too - I would be very much in favor of a digital-only Transporter, especially if it came without the volume control knob. In fact, I would buy it immediately. -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I can't see that there will be one. There will be a lot of companies joining the streaming devices bandwagon, and I suspect that Logitech would make a lot more money by licensing the streaming tech to audiophile companies than by making the hardware themselves - could they really improve on the Transporter? Oh and 24/192 is clearly a necessity, but for marketing purposes only, and the dual display is better than the Duet (although not as good as the dual display -plus -the Controller!) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, dCS Purcell, Ack Dac, Audion Quattro, Welborne DRD 300Bs, Lowther Big Fun Horns with PM6As adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
iPhone;379546 Wrote: > I see. So which would you really prefer, a more expensive TP that pushes > the power supply section and the DAC to the limits or a stripped down TP > that is much less expensive but with a DAC slightly better then the > Linn? Personally, I would prefer a killer digital transport. A dac is more of a personal choice, imho. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I have no strong feelings either way, I was just interested in whether people think the Transporter will evolve, and if so to what, or whether development is over. Perhaps things will go another way - there are now applications available that let you drive a Linn DS from Squeezecenter, so perhaps other high-quality networked DACs will appear along the same lines. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379377 Wrote: > I wasn't especially meaning to focus on the 24/192 thing, just the > concept of a displayless Transporter, either cheaper, or with > fancier/better DACS upsampling whatever. Other products like the Linn > Sneaky DS are now appearing at, in fact below, the Transporter price > bracket with on the face of it higher spec DACs and performance, so I'm > interested in whether the Transporter will evolve to meet this > competition. Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one > poster points out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? I see. So which would you really prefer, a more expensive TP that pushes the power supply section and the DAC to the limits or a stripped down TP that is much less expensive but with a DAC slightly better then the Linn? On the stripped down side, are you not really describing using a DUET with whatever high dollar DAC has the sampling rates of your choice? I mean, if itÂ’s going to be used for the digital output and you want the Controller with a processor without a display, isn't that the DUET in a nutshell. Suggestion: Pair a DUET with a Dodson 263 Digital Processor. Or push the limits with the Dodson 218 Digital Processor. I have a Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital Processor that is about as close to Audio Nirvana as I have been with my Transporter as its source. An SB3 or Duet/SBR driving the Dodson DA-217 MK2-D Digital Processor sounds excellent also. The killer combination that my ears have had the pleasure to listen to was a Transporter driving the Dodson 218 Digital Processor. Everything was present from the fullest bass through the most accurate revealing midrange on to the clearest highs with the only issue being the combined $10,000 price tag. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I like the displays and I certainly don't want a high-dollar Transport with self contained amps (Boom excepted). -- ghostrider ghostrider's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18959 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379238 Wrote: > How long will it be before the Transporter goes through the same > evolution, and we get a Transporter 2, where the Transporter is in an > adequate box, but has no fancy display and comes with the Duet remote. > as well as perform better? No. . -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379377 Wrote: > Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one poster points > out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? Open Source development doesn't fit with the Logitech mould either, but we have that. I don't know if Logitech ever has beta development programs, but we've had two here, the Controller which was discussed in public and the Boom which was a private development until the official announcement. So you could say the whole of the SlimDevices, or indeed the Streaming Media Division is not part of the Logitech mould :) -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I wasn't especially meaning to focus on the 24/192 thing, just the concept of a displayless Transporter, either cheaper, or with fancier/better DACS upsampling whatever. Other products like the Linn Sneaky DS are now appearing at, in fact below, the Transporter price bracket with on the face of it higher spec DACs and performance, so I'm interested in whether the Transporter will evolve to meet this competition. Or is that it? Is it as much as we will get, since as one poster points out, it doesn't really fit the Logitech mould? -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I agree that 24/96 is more or less as good as music encoding ever needs to be. The format is better than any Hardware or Software that's supports it, which is as it should be, the 24/96 format itself is never a bottleneck. So i think this 96kHz vs 192kHz is a red herring. To get more musical enjoyment I found that going multichannel is the way. 6 channels of 24/96 can be glorious :) It's not a gimmick it can work (stereo was once considered "gimmick" by mono flat-earthers ). This *really* increases the spatial information for your brain/ear system. I suppose anyone with an DVD-A player have heard it that way. So I would put an multichannel capable SB high on the wish list. This is probably never going to happen as the amount of suitable music downloads in multichannel high rez is minimal. and low rez multichannel can be catered for by streaming dts files -- Mnyb Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
JezA;379238 Wrote: > Once upon a time there was a Squeezebox made by Slim Devices. It had a > fancy display and a simple remote control. Then the mighty Logitech > bought it up, and brought out the current Squeezebox Duet - a much > simpler box, no fancy display but a much fancier remote control. > > How long will it be before the Transporter goes through the same > evolution, and we get a Transporter 2, where the Transporter is in an > adequate box, but has no fancy display and comes with the Duet remote. > Perhaps, not least to keep up with the Linn Sneaky DS which offers > 24/192 sample rates, , not to mention a modest built in power-amp and > costs less, the new Transporter might also offer 24/192 sampling rate? > And even, for there would be no fancy display or even fancy case to > drive up the price, cost less as well as perform better? In today's current online available music files, why in the world would you think you needed 24/192? Just because its the next big number? Who needs files that large on their PCs for something most of us will never see or hear the difference in? 24/48 is almost at the point of no issues and 24/96 is beyond the point of musical issues for most people. -- iPhone *iPhone* 'Last.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/mephone) Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 Mobile: SB3, Audioengine A5 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I doubt it will happen this year, it's already one of the best in the industry. That and the fact logitech is more into high volume than niche products. I doubt if Slim Devices was purchased before Transporter was released it would have even ever been built. It's a beautiful unit as it is and I'm just glad to see Logitech continue selling it and developing it because it's not their typical market. Even 96Khz is arguably needed. 192Khz is just nuts. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
I'd like to see a Trans Mk II as well. I'd skip the amp section and see no need for anything beyond 24/96, but the idea of a non-descript transport/source controlled by a super-remote is very, very cool. -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) -> 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) -> 'BAT VK-31SE' (http://www.balanced.com/products/line/Vk-31SE/index.html) -> 'Halo A21' (http://www.parasound.com/halo/a21.php) -> 'B&W 803D' (http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1156) Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
Sean, may we have a wish list? ;-) -- alekz alekz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Transporter in 2009?
Once upon a time there was a Squeezebox made by Slim Devices. It had a fancy display and a simple remote control. Then the mighty Logitech bought it up, and brought out the current Squeezebox Duet - a much simpler box, no fancy display but a much fancier remote control. How long will it be before the Transporter goes through the same evolution, and we get a Transporter 2, where the Transporter is in an adequate box, but has no fancy display and comes with the Duet remote. Perhaps, not least to keep up with the Linn Sneaky DS which offers 24/192 sample rates, , not to mention a modest built in power-amp and costs less, the new Transporter might also offer 24/192 sampling rate? And even, for there would be no fancy display or even fancy case to drive up the price, cost less as well as perform better? -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57677 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
