Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
d6jg wrote: > I have quite a large vinyl collection and occasionally I still buy some > second hand albums but only when whatever it is isn't available in > decent form on CD. I don't buy new vinyl as its too expensive as stated > earlier. > > I don't like buying downloads - I still prefer CDs that I can rip & tag > as I like. > > That said there is something about vinyl that is irreplaceable in any > other medium. It's not sonic quality for sure. For me it's the album > cover. I never bother to read CD liner notes but I always read vinyl > covers! > > I do have friends. Honest. I share the same opinion but I'm sure a much smaller collection - only about 350 albums. Only started collecting in the last 2 years and at 44 I don't think I'm one of the older LP buyers. I also have a few friends but probably not ones who write for the audiophile press :-). I like owning the art work mainly and have a few vinyl picture frames for my first edition LPs - I have 'Abbey Road' hanging in my sound room. I guess the physicality of the format provides a subjective sense of linkage with history and the artist. I rarely spin vinyl. Typically does not sound as good and certainly not compared to a decent CD master with room correction... Archimago's Musings: (archimago.blogspot.com) A 'more objective' audiophile blog. Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
I'm dabbling w/vinyl -- just to talk intelligently about it, def has it's charm. Anyway, dumb as shit article :D 20944 +---+ |Filename: tt_acrylic_blue_puck.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20944| +---+ 'AudioSystem' (http://bit.ly/1ruj0Zw) - 'YouTube' (http://bit.ly/1ULq4fT) - 'Twitter' (http://bit.ly/1q8dTgc) sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
I have quite a large vinyl collection and occasionally I still buy some second hand albums but only when whatever it is isn't available in decent form on CD. I don't like buying downloads - I still prefer CDs that I can rip & tag as I like. That said there is something about vinyl that is irreplaceable in any other medium. It's not sonic quality for sure. For me it's the album cover. I never bother to read CD liner notes but I always read vinyl covers! I do have friends. Honest. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B&W P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
Mnyb wrote: > and yes some much younger (hip) friends of mine find spotify and other > services lacking in content that they want and consider it mainstream . > And get thier special needs trough vinyl . Vinyl per se is also a mainstream product, too expensive to produce for the musicians the real conoisseurs of fringe music genres do listen to. My tape collection is growing (again), though [emoji6] Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6 mit Tapatalk New setup: - ASRock Ion 330, Lubuntu 14.04, LMS 7.9, FLAC - *Duet* > Pro-Ject DAC Box E > AKG Hearo 888 Titan (home office), *Boom + Canton ASF 75 SC* (master bedroom), *Boom* (master bathroom), *Radio* (guest bathroom), *RPi2 + OpenELEC + XSqueeze* > Samsung UE60H6270 > Denon AVR-770SD > Mission 2.1 speakers (living room) - *Classic* > Parasound DAC 1500 > vintage Wega Modul 42V amp (42E equalizer, 42T tape deck + Thorens TD 160 Mk II turntable) > Quadral Vulkan Mk II (music room) wortgefecht's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
arnyk wrote: > It takes quite a stretch of imagination to actually believe that, but I > can understand how many vinyl bigots, who are also often in denial about > vinyl's rather grotesque sonic limitations, to be in denial about this > analysis as well. > > I find the article in good agreement with itself and some of my > experiences, where I routinely see people who are middle aged or older > collecting vinyl. They often gratuitously assault my sensibilities by > imposing the usual imaginative claims about how vinyl is basically > practically superior to all forms of digital on me. > > They can belittle me as they will as I collect CDs and other digital > media, because I understand and have experienced the actual facts of the > matter. > > I sold off my extensive vinyl collection after a decent period of > comparing the two. I still have a fairly modern and high quality vinyl > playback system that I use for transcribing legacy performances onto > digital media. > > I think its fine that people collect vinyl and listen to it if that's > their preference, as long as they don't impose their preferences on me. > Unfortunately, for many its some kind of religion that they want to > spread to save the world from its headlong and continuing rush to > digital. Something about digital and its better sound quality, far > greater accuracy and avoidance of what most find to be irritating > artifacts. Yea thats one smal camp of vinyl byers and i certainly could have been one of them , but i eventually weened myself of from the artifacts :D But the article ignores the larger camp of hipsters that bying vinyl for the cool factor and some genaral return to physical media because streaming is not hip :) and yes some much younger (hip) friends of mine find spotify and other services lacking in content that they want and consider it mainstream . And get thier special needs trough vinyl . Some of my younger friends are also interested in older music and then vinyl for like 1$ a piece is avaible everywhere , you can get a cool music collection for nothing at fleemarkets etc :) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
doctor_big wrote: > The header definitely is at odds with the article. > It takes quite a stretch of imagination to actually believe that, but I can understand how many vinyl bigots, who are also often in denial about vinyl's rather grotesque sonic limitations, to be in denial about this analysis as well. I find the article in good agreement with itself and some of my experiences, where I routinely see people who are middle aged or older collecting vinyl. They often gratuitously assault my sensibilities by imposing the usual imaginative claims about how vinyl is basically practically superior to all forms of digital on me. They can belittle me as they will as I collect CDs and other digital media, because I understand and have experienced the actual facts of the matter. I sold off my extensive vinyl collection after a decent period of comparing the two. I still have a fairly modern and high quality vinyl playback system that I use for transcribing legacy performances onto digital media. I think its fine that people collect vinyl and listen to it if that's their preference, as long as they don't impose their preferences on me. Unfortunately, for many its some kind of religion that they want to spread to save the world from its headlong and continuing rush to digital. Something about digital and its better sound quality, far greater accuracy and avoidance of what most find to be irritating artifacts. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
doctor_big wrote: > The header definitely is at odds with the article. > > If you prefer being alone, how can you be lonely? It's an inherently > contradictory concept. Don't forget we're talking about human behavior here, which can be apparently self-contradictory in many ways, or haven't you noticed? This is one of them. However it may take introspection or personal insight to understand it. I can understand how a person that is an isolated introvert may not understand how this can work. For example, lets consider a person who "Prefers being alone" because of feelings of anxiety about associating with strangers. They do enjoy being with people they know. In a context where only strangers are available, they may prefer to be alone, but that does not mean that they don't enjoy being with people they know when they are available. Among many people with anxiety, their anxieties may influence them to avoid doing things that they actually enjoy, once the anxieties are overcome. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
Methinks he doth protest too much. . . LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
> Nobody was making any false claims. You simply linked to an article that > utterly misconstrued a survey in a way that validated your narrow > worldview. Jesus, dude, enough! You're over-analysis of a click-bait link has grown tiring. Just suck it up and move on. Fizbin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
doctor_big wrote: > Your entire purpose here in this sub-forum is to belittle and demean > anyone who doesn't think like you and your little group of sad-sack > pseudo-objectivists. If you say so. I just have to point out that it does seem that it is you, not me, who seems to engage in the belittling, and demeaning personal attacks. > I do that by perusing the unread section in Tapatalk Why doesn't that surprise me? > I also prefer the sound of LPs (which you'll tell us all now is far > inferior to digital in 3... 2... 1...). No need to state the obvious, but if you prefer the limitations of vinyl, that is your choice. > So there's negative connotations to my age? To the fact that I have > disposable income with which to buy LPs? That I love music? That I > enjoy those rare times when my wife takes our child on an overnighter > and I can crank the system for an evening? Well, at least that explains your strong reaction. > I've got better things to do. Clearly. OK, to be honest - you have my sympathy. I guess I should consider me fortunate in that my wife doesn't mind me cranking up one of the systems whenever I want. I do actually spend a fair bit of time repairing and restoring old audio gear, including record players. I enjoy the engineering of many of them, but I am also acutely aware of their limitations. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
Julf wrote: > I have absolutely no problem with whatever listening preferences people > have, and whatever equipment choices they make. I do have an issue with > people who try to rationalize and defend their choices with > pseudoscience and false claims. > Nobody was making any false claims. You simply linked to an article that utterly misconstrued a survey in a way that validated your narrow worldview. Julf wrote: > > My whole point was about how the audiophile press and websites are very > quick to jump on (and feel very smug and self satisfied with) anything > that supports their narrow world view (the erroneous conclusions of the > research into audibility of "high res" formats is a good example), but > ignore anything that goes against it. I guess you missed the > meta-argument and went into "defensive ad-hominem attack" mode about the > specific example. There was nothing even remotely relevant to the -audiophile- mindset in that article. "Meta-argument?" Please. Your entire purpose here in this sub-forum is to belittle and demean anyone who doesn't think like you and your little group of sad-sack pseudo-objectivists. Normally I give your blatherings a wide berth, coming to this forum to see what's new in the wonderful world of LMS, help what little I can, and move on. I do that by perusing the unread section in Tapatalk, and I can usually spot your (I include others like Arny and Ralphy-baby in this pronoun) bleatings quite easily and thus steer clear. However this time you caught me - I love vinyl. Listened to it, and bought it for the last 35 years. I always hated the physical CD medium - the feel of the discs, their cases, the grinding sound of an opening CD player door. The small artwork. The brittle hinges on the cases. I also prefer the sound of LPs (which you'll tell us all now is far inferior to digital in 3... 2... 1...). Never was I happier than when CDs started phasing out, replaced by files. The resurgence of LPs also pleases me, as now I have a larger selection from which to choose. So I clicked, and clicked through - more fool me. So there's negative connotations to my age? To the fact that I have disposable income with which to buy LPs? That I love music? That I enjoy those rare times when my wife takes our child on an overnighter and I can crank the system for an evening? That's how you think? It's a sad little crusade you've got yourself here. You're saving the world from the big, bad audio press? Hoo, boy! You honestly think that's a worthy cause on which to hang your hat? Are you sure it's not you who's the lonely one? It sure seems like you've got nothing else to do. Like I said, it's a pathetic cause you're girl-slapping away at here. I'd wager that you've got a large portion of your self-worth tied up in convincing everyone who doesn't care that audiophiles are fools, cable manufacturers are satan incarnate, and magazine reviewers are working Machiavellian evil, so I'll let you have the last word here - I've got better things to do. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
doctor_big wrote: > The OP relishes the ridicule of those whose listening preferences and > equipment choices do not mesh with his narrow world view. I have absolutely no problem with whatever listening preferences people have, and whatever equipment choices they make. I do have an issue with people who try to rationalize and defend their choices with pseudoscience and false claims. > So it's no surprise that the click bait headline was instantly appealing > and left him feeling smug and self satisfied. My whole point was about how the audiophile press and websites are very quick to jump on (and feel very smug and self satisfied with) anything that supports their narrow world view (the erroneous conclusions of the research into audibility of "high res" formats is a good example), but ignore anything that goes against it. I guess you missed the meta-argument and went into "defensive ad-hominem attack" mode about the specific example. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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The OP did not inject his opinion. He posted a link to an article. Nothing more. Someone is being a tad overly sensitive and immature. Fizbin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58734 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
The OP relishes the ridicule of those whose listening preferences and equipment choices do not mesh with his narrow world view. So it's no surprise that the click bait headline was instantly appealing and left him feeling smug and self satisfied. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
I'd agree that the article, in its effort to snidely relish its "discovery", jumps to conclusions a bit too fast. As others have noted, being "alone" does not equal "lonely". The first word simply means you are not with anyone. Like many, I am very comfortable and happy when I'm alone, whether it is seriously listening to music, immersed in a book or working on a project of interest to me. And that does not mean I don't enjoy the company of my family and friends when doing other things. The second word describes a feeling of sadness from lack of companionship. As others have noted, it is perfectly possible to be alone and happy. Likewise, one can be surrounded in a large crowd and still be immensely lonely because you're not connecting with others. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
The header definitely is at odds with the article. If you prefer being alone, how can you be lonely? It's an inherently contradictory concept. doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
The header isn't actually at odds with the actual content, although there is reason to take issue with the content (at least as represented in the linked article, which is not the original publication). There is a common but entirely inaccurate perspective that "introspection" is somehow associated with loneliness and dysfunction. The degree to which people prefer being alone in the company of their thoughts vs being gregarious in the company of others is what we call introversion vs extroversion. We all fall somewhere along an introversion/extroversion continuum, although there is a fair bit of evidence that the distribution is bi-modal, not a normal distribution (the mid-point is not the the top of the curve). My own observation is that many serious hobbyists (growing plants, building model trains, furniture making, collecting music) are very comfortable working on their passionate interests alone. Extroverts prefer the company of others, in small groups or large. Both types are less comfortable in the opposite milieu. So it's extroverts who get lonely when alone, deprived of their social milieu. And its introverts who can be anxious and uncomfortable at the party or the dance club. Neither type is better or worse. We all can function well in, and enjoy, our non-preferred world from time. The plant grower or the music hobbyist likes to get together with similar-minded people, to share ideas and experience and plants and music. The inveterate party-grower can enjoy a quiet Sunday morning reading the newspaper over coffee and and listening to the music they heard last night at the club. So the article content is not surprising, neither its findings about the characteristics of serious hobbyists nor its negative and spurious take on these. The whole disparagement-of-introverts thing is a common cultural meme, but not one that has any real validity. Except for extroverts who so actively fear solitude. R. LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3) Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (WiFi) - home office Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2) Touch x 1 - spare UE Radio x 1 - spare Boom x 1 - spare Controller x 1 - Spare Duet Receiver (backup) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
Do you read beyond the click-bait heading? Or is that too much to expect? doctor_big's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15196 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New study on vinyl buyers
I guess we won't be too surprised the audiophile mags and websites don't report this one... 'Vinyl buyers are lonely, middle-aged introverts, according to new study' (http://www.factmag.com/2016/08/10/vinyl-buyers-lonely-introverts/) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=105982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
