Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Robin Bowes;425742 Wrote: > Goodsounds wrote: > > Yeah, why can't you pesky Brits keep your darn Lira to yourselves!! > > Heh, I did think about passing comment, but decided against it! ;) > > R. Ahh youre quite clever and I missed the play...took the proverbial bait! Cheers to the BBC, British ale, pretty ladies with cool accents, the Harbeth sound and Benny Hill -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Goodsounds wrote: > Yeah, why can't you pesky Brits keep your darn Lira to yourselves!! Heh, I did think about passing comment, but decided against it! ;) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Yeah, why can't you pesky Brits keep your darn Lira to yourselves!! -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Robin Bowes;425667 Wrote: > timequest wrote: > > Robin Bowes;425498 Wrote: > >> timequest wrote: > >>> I would be willing to spend a grand > >>> (hopefully less, but not much more). > >>> > >>> What say you in the know? > >> Get a Transporter. > >> > >> R. > > > > If you have a Transporter for a grand or less I'll take it today. > > Here ya go: > > http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/3229 > > Slightly more than a grand, but not much more. > > R. I reside in the USA, so I am referring to US dollars not Lira. The Transporter advertised via the link you provided for me (by the way, thank you) is for L1,077.00 or $1,511.00 ( more than "slightly more than a grand")- good price though. -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425562 Wrote: > I like the sound from my external DAC better than I do the sound from a > stock Transporter and since I already have said external DAC and the > Duet, why not tweak the Duet for better performance rather than buy a > Transporter. Forget about tweaks upstream of the DAC. If you want improvements, concentrate on what follows the DAC: preamp, power amp, speakers, room. Assuming your equipment is of decent standard, then the biggest bang for the buck would be room treatments, followed by improved speakers. Power amps are generally pretty transparent, preamps less so. If you have no other sources (and therefore don't need input switching), try replacing the preamp with appropriate passive attenuation to set the gain staging, and then using the Duet's volume control. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425535 Wrote: > If you have a Transporter for a grand or less I'll take it today. > Actually, I happen to like the controller that comes with the Duet, > because my eyes are getting so bad, I dont think I could see the screen > on the Transporter! The Controller works with the Transporter. -- bernt 'LastFM' (http://www.last.fm/user/ottovonkopp/) SB3, SB BOOM - SC 7.3.2 - Ubuntu Server 8.04 bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425562 Wrote: > Where in the world are you literally? And, what are you doing up man; > according to USA Today, less than 5 hours of Z-time over time will put > an end to you!?Top right hand corner of my posts provides location :-). They > have any tips how to stay asleep? timequest;425562 Wrote: > Anyway, I didnt make it too clear. What I mean is, I like the sound > from my external DAC better than I do the sound from a stock Transporter > and since I already have said external DAC and the Duet, why not tweak > the Duet for better performance rather than buy a Transporter.This is my > point though, (if I'm not mistaken) if you're simply using the Receiver to pass the decoded waveform to your external DAC I'm not sure the Receiver will care what resolution the waveform is, it's just passing through and definitely not being processed by the Receiver's DAC... -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Phil Leigh;425571 Wrote: > That Poster (Steve N) is talking about most wi-fi based audio playback > devices (like Airport Express, Roku soundbridge etc) as being limited... > not to wi-fi itself as a networking method. > > The modern SB family is not part of this "limited" set of devices. SB3 > can do 24/48 over wi-fi/cable - the TP can do 24/96. You need a G/N > wi-fi net for this. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Now it makes much better sense. -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
bhaagensen;425497 Wrote: > Is it this one? > > http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?icomp&1222794208&openusid&zzAudioengr&4&5#Audioengr > > In that case the statement is "most wifi *devices* are lim..."... i.e. > something else. I didn't count so for all I know that may or may not be > true. That Poster (Steve N) is talking about most wi-fi based audio playback devices (like Airport Express, Roku soundbridge etc) as being limited... not to wi-fi itself as a networking method. The modern SB family is not part of this "limited" set of devices. SB3 can do 24/48 over wi-fi/cable - the TP can do 24/96. You need a G/N wi-fi net for this. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
egd;425560 Wrote: > It's 4:16am here so perhaps my brain is a little foggy, but hooking an > external DAC up to your Receiver will bypass the Duet's DAC, so where's > the problem...what you're hearing is the external DAC? Where in the world are you literally? And, what are you doing up man; according to USA Today, less than 5 hours of Z-time over time will put an end to you!? Anyway, I didnt make it too clear. What I mean is, I like the sound from my external DAC better than I do the sound from a stock Transporter and since I already have said external DAC and the Duet, why not tweak the Duet for better performance rather than buy a Transformer. That is to say, as long as the cost of upgrading the Duet doesnt make purchasing a Transformer the prudent alternative. The poster whom I was responding to seemed to indicate my solution lie in purchasing a Transformer rather than investing up to, or close to $1,000 (the last time I looked, a Transporter was around $2,000). -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425535 Wrote: > Since I have the DAC, and I like the features of the Duet, it makes > sense that I would look for methods to extend the performance of the > Duet (for less than what a Transporter costs). I do agree that if the > cost to upgrade the Duet surpasses a certain point, it would be prudent > to go with a Transporter, to which I can use my DAC.It's 4:16am here so > perhaps my brain is a little foggy, but hooking an external DAC up to your Receiver will bypass the Duet's DAC, so where's the problem...what you're hearing is the external DAC? -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... Integrating MusicIP with SqueezeCenter...'*here's how*' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Integrating_MusicIP_with_SqueezeCenter). egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
bhaagensen;425497 Wrote: > Is it this one? > > http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?icomp&1222794208&openusid&zzAudioengr&4&5#Audioengr > > In that case the statement is "most wifi *devices* are lim..."... i.e. > something else. I didn't count so for all I know that may or may not be > true. Well...what's the verdict then? I got some pretty strong feedback here that claims that in no way is WiFi limited to 16/44.1 Could some WiFi routers in fact be limited to 16/44.1 as the aforementioned post/thread states? If so, how do I determine whether or not I have one of "those" routers?? -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Robin Bowes;425498 Wrote: > timequest wrote: > > I would be willing to spend a grand > > (hopefully less, but not much more). > > > > What say you in the know? > > Get a Transporter. > > R. If you have a Transporter for a grand or less I'll take it today. Actually, I happen to like the controller that comes with the Duet, because my eyes are getting so bad, I dont think I could see the screen on the Transporter! An even bigger issue for me is the fact that the Transporter DAC doesn't sound as good as the external DAC I am using with my Duet (yes, I did side-by-side A/B comparisons). Since I have the DAC, and I like the features of the Duet, it makes sense that I would look for methods to extend the performance of the Duet (for less than what a Transporter costs). I do agree that if the cost to upgrade the Duet surpasses a certain point, it would be prudent to go with a Transporter, to which I can use my DAC. -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Is it this one? http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?icomp&1222794208&openusid&zzAudioengr&4&5#Audioengr In that case the statement is "most wifi *devices* are lim..."... i.e. something else. I didn't count so for all I know that may or may not be true. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Well...I'm relieved then! It's true; you can't always believe what you read. I tried to find the thread that I was reading over at (don't know if I can say the name...Agon), but I can't find it. I had come across it when researching re-clocking devices, and it read, "most Wi-Fi is limited to 16/44.1 anyway..." I knew you guys would clear this up for me. Okay then, what about utilizing a re-clocking device with the Duet. My objective is to get as close to true high end sound as possible with the Duet. I'm using a good DAC now, and the sound is very good, just not quite there. If I can make it even better, then that's what I want to do - within a reasonable budget. By this, I mean something that is clearly heard. If the internal mods, or the addition of a good re-clocker make such slight improvements that you have to really strain to hear them...forget it. If an internal mod, and/or a good re-clocker can make a definite improvement, I would be willing to spend a grand (hopefully less, but not much more). What say you in the know? Thank you. -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425441 Wrote: > I just read about Wi-Fi being limited to 16/44.1. Is this the case for > all Wi-Fi? Would I be better off switching my Wi-Fi based server (Duet) > to a physical connection? I just became aware that the Duet is limited > to 24/48, which I originally did not know when I was purchasing 24/96 > files, but this fact alone isn't so disconcerting because 24/48 is > superior to 16/44.1. Now, it appears that I may have been limited to > 16/44.1 all along??? > My Duet/server has become my primary source and I want to max all > opportunities. Is a physical connection superior to Wi-Fi (if so, > which type-USB or Ethernet other)? What about adding a reclocking > device? > My setup: PC/Ethernet/Internet /Wi-Fi/Duet receiver/digital > SPDIF/DAC/preamp WiFi has nothing to do with sample rates, whatsoever. The Duet only does 24/48 native because that is the limit of the hardware with nothing to do with being connected either by Ethernet or WiFi. If you run SC 7.3.2 or better, the SOX will play your 24/96 files on SB3 or Duet. Or you could buy a Transporter and play 24/96 native. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, Vandersteen Quatro, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
andyg;425451 Wrote: > Hehe, what, you didn't know your $20 wifi router actually included an > amazing process that resamples any audio format on the fly? ;) Yes its pretty clever stuff. It will simply drop all samples when placed far away. I know its not related nor do I know why, but apparently the DacMagic does 24/96 (or more?) over s/pdif and at most 16/44 over usb. Still it is possible to, say, copy a 24/96 flac from a usb-disc. The point is that its understandable that some get confused. Of course if a reviewer or such publish such claims he perhaps should consider reading up on matters... -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
andyg;425451 Wrote: > Hehe, what, you didn't know your $20 wifi router actually included an > amazing process that resamples any audio format on the fly? ;) It doesn't? - I'm taking it back... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
Hehe, what, you didn't know your $20 wifi router actually included an amazing process that resamples any audio format on the fly? ;) -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
aubuti;425444 Wrote: > Where did you read this? "What Rumour" magazine? - actually this is the the sort of rubbish that is often written in Hi-Fi mags... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB3 (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Outdoors: Boom Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
timequest;425441 Wrote: > I just read about Wi-Fi being limited to 16/44.1. Where did you read this? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
I think you have been misinformed. WiFi is not limited (Edit: within the restriction of bandwidth that it, but certainly not to 16/44.1) -- MadScientist MadScientist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Oh My, Is All WiFi Limited to 16/44.1
I just read about Wi-Fi being limited to 16/44.1. Is this the case for all Wi-Fi? Would I be better off switching my Wi-Fi based server (Duet) to a physical connection? I just became aware that the Duet is limited to 24/48, which I originally did not know when I was purchasing 24/96 files, but this fact alone isn't so disconcerting because 24/48 is superior to 16/44.1. Now, it appears that I may have been limited to 16/44.1 all along??? My Duet/server has become my primary source and I want to max all opportunities. Is a physical connection superior to Wi-Fi (if so, which type-USB or Ethernet other)? What about adding a reclocking device? My setup: PC/Ethernet/Internet /Wi-Fi/Duet receiver/digital SPDIF/DAC/preamp -- timequest timequest's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25640 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63610 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
