[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Thanks guys I appreciate all those comments. -- jpak M-Audio Audiophile USB (digital out) -> Lavry DA10 dac -> Pass Aleph 30 poweramp -> AKG K1000 "headphones" -all Kimber OFC copper- jpak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7536 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
> All the schurter filters have frequency response plots in their data > sheets. But those plots are all made with a Line Impedance Stabilisation Network (LISN) in place, the real-world plots are nothing like that and open to the 'unknown complex impedence' that the mains in your particular neighbourhood presents ;) Data sheets are only there to present the product in the best possible light. The main thing for mains cables in my experience is to minimise the impedance as far as is possible, any attempts to create a 'filter' are pointless and far better handled by the devices you mention above (not that I like them at all, since they actually raise mains Z and appear electrically across the mains to all other items on the mains feed). Andy. -- Andrew L. Weekes Andrew L. Weekes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=573 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Please, if anyone is actually considering investing in a power cable, look at the actual commercial line filters at mouser.com. For example, I use a schurter power entry line filter in my new amps, it has an LRC filter to attenuate high frequencies. All the schurter filters have frequency response plots in their data sheets. Seems like a much better use of money than shooting in the dark buying a fancy cable that has either an unknown complex impedence as its mechanism, or no mechanism for working at all. -- mazurek mazurek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1455 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben Diss;146234 Wrote: > > The Transporter/Dodson/Blue Circle combo was 99.4 compared to the > SB2/Lavry. > > -Ben I'll make a quick comment; personal preference plays a huge factor here. IMHO, I had (have) a *strong* preference to the system using a preamp over running directly to the amp. This was the case for me running the Transporter's analog out to the preamp over both the Transporter and SB2/Lavry direct to the amp. But when we went directly to the amp, Ben's first comment was "I like this much better". The bottom line for me in this "shootout" was that in all the setups we listened to, there wasn't a single setup that sounded "out of place". To my ears, the SB2's analog out was the only one that didn't "keep pace" with the level of quality/sophistication of the other setups, but it was still very enjoyable. As a transport, the SB2 also did lag a little, but not by much. I was very impressed by the Lavry...a little more analytical-sounding than I prefer, but I could easily live with it in my reference system. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben Diss;145961 Wrote: > Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter > connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable) > connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables. > > - It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good > environment and a very revealing system, I doubt you could A/B it in a > short listening session. > > - Transporter had lightly wider soundstage with instruments a bit more > precisely placed. If I closed my eyes and tried to imagine exactly > where an instrument was in front of me it was a narrower space with the > Transporter, but only slightly. > > - Transporter resolved very high frequencies a tiny bit better. > Background cymbals were more recognizable, for example. > > - Strong notes sustain better with the Transporter. A bass drum hit > with the same authority on both, but tended to trail off quicker with > the Lavry. > > Overall, the Transporter is a tiny bit warmer to the Lavry's tiny bit > more analytic nature. If given the choice between the two for the same > cost, there is no question I would take the Transporter. > > From a value comparison ($1300 vs. $2000) it's a tough call if it's > worth the price difference on sound alone. For me, the additional > features of the Transporter are well worth the upgrade price. I had > only hoped that it would at least be as good as the Lavry and it > certainly met that criteria so I'll be getting one. > > -Ben Too bad the comparison was so brief. More information, preferable with different people and setups required to evaluate what's going on in real. There are enough posts here and there describe that such subtle and sometimes not that subtle changes may be caused by actually more jitter or noise allied on specific frequencies, shaping psychoacoustic model of the system towards what person thinks is "better". (I by no means claim this is the case here, but theoretically this is possible; I just feel we still don't have enough information to make an informed decision). . -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben Diss;146234 Wrote: > jhm731- We didn't directly compare the DAC3 with the Transporter, > however we did compare the DAC3 with the Lavry. It wasn't exhaustive, > just a quick comparison since we had both units in the same room. I > can tell you that I would choose the Lavry over the DAC3, but without a > more thorough listen I hesitate to try and remember the details that > went in to my decision. Keep in mind that on a scale of 0-100, if the > Lavry is a 99, then the DAC3 is a 98.999. > > The Transporter/Dodson/Blue Circle combo was 99.4 compared to the > SB2/Lavry. > > -Ben Thanks for the feedback. Still interested in how the Transporter's DAC compares to DA-218. PS- I have a feeling if the Lavry's SMPS was upgraded, the SB/Lavry combo would outperform the Transporter. -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben, Appreciate if you could tell us the difference between the following two setups - -Transporter -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Dodson DA-218 DAC Re: power cables. They do make a difference. But I am not sure you need to spend that much money on them. Per my learning, the order of importance in this dept - 1. Dedicated line 2. Hospital Grade wall outlet 3. Connectors on the power cable 4. Different kinds of power cable geoemetry (NOte, I have split a power cable into #3 and #4) 5. Power conditioning That the connectors are important is easily demonstrated when you clean contacts with a contact cleaner and plug them back in. The connections all have to be really tight and clean. For eg. My main amplification is a Panasonic XR55 (poor man' -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
One thing Phil did in our demo session was to introduce me to Snake Oil priced power cables. I have always been a sceptic that anything beyond a shielded cable of the proper gauge was a waste. I also believe in the placebo effect, so I almost don't even trust my own observation on this, but when we switched to the big buck cable on the Lavry, the sound came a step closer to the Transporter (with the exception of the decay). This sucks for me because it's opened up a whole big can of worms that I'd rather have just avoided. -Ben -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
jhm731- We didn't directly compare the DAC3 with the Transporter, however we did compare the DAC3 with the Lavry. It wasn't exhaustive, just a quick comparison since we had both units in the same room. I can tell you that I would choose the Lavry over the DAC3, but without a more thorough listen I hesitate to try and remember the details that went in to my decision. Keep in mind that on a scale of 0-100, if the Lavry is a 99, then the DAC3 is a 98.999. The Transporter/Dodson/Blue Circle combo was 99.4 compared to the SB2/Lavry. -Ben -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
PhilNYC;145834 Wrote: > Ok, so Ben just left after about 2 hours of comparisons. I'll outline > what we listened to, then let Ben make the first comments about what we > heard. > > We did two sets of comparisons: > > 1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to: > -Transporter -> Dodson DA-218 DAC > -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Dodson DA-218 DAC > -Oracle CD1000 -> Dodson DA-218 DAC > -Transporter analog out > -SB2 analog out > > 2: Running directly into the Blue Circle BC206 amp, we listened to: > -Transporter analog out > -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Lavry D10 > -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Bel Canto DAC3 > > We also swapped power cords on the Lavry, trying both a generic > shielded power cord as well as an Audience powerChord. The Audience > powerChord was also used on the Bel Canto DAC3. > > Ben is the one who spent the majority of time in the listening > seat/sweetspot, so his comments will likely mean more than mine. Can you provide some feedback on how the Transporter's DAC compares to DA-218 & DAC3? -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Given that the transporter has a word clock out, one could add an external box to 'filter' jitter and electical noise, and also expand the number of inputs. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben, What about your thought on these setup as mentioned by Phil? 1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to: -Transporter -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -Oracle CD1000 -> Dodson DA-218 DAC Rgds -- 95bcwh 95bcwh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
highdudgeon;146040 Wrote: > These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates > in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for > granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers. > With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of being able to handle > more or different kinds of digital signals. If you pipe through some > potentially jittery component in the way -- say, an EQ unit -- the > Lavry will handle it. Again, in my experience, everything sounds the > same through the lavry. > > The bit about decay in the review interests me a great deal. Yep. I'm afraid Transporter wasn't really designed to compete with best outboard DACs out there. It appears to be very refined source component, with digital inputs as added value. I might be wrong though, as Sean posted somewhere that they can add some input jitter reducing scheme on software layer. Well, it would be interesting to hear more about that... -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
These are good points. There has always been an argument for separates in audio for just this reason. In the high end, it is almost taken for granted, for instance, that we separate line states and amplifiers. With a SB3 and Lavry you do have the advantage of being able to handle more or different kinds of digital signals. If you pipe through some potentially jittery component in the way -- say, an EQ unit -- the Lavry will handle it. Again, in my experience, everything sounds the same through the lavry. The bit about decay in the review interests me a great deal. 325xi;146027 Wrote: > Sounds good... Assuming close qulaity levels, my major concern is > versatility. Paying less for Lavry combo, I can reuse Lavry if for some > reason SB goes out of use. The best thing about Lavry is not just how it > sounds, but also how it behaves in less then ideal conditions, with > different sources, with different level of jitter. Being studio > product, it's designed to do well virtually everywhere. > Transporter would be a dream if it can handle digital input as good as > Lavry does. Well, I don't know, but from some posts here I've got an > impression that Tranporter has little, if any, incoming jitter > processing with all the effort dedicated to preventing jitter > generation from inside Tansporter, while Lavry has three thoroughly > designed modes for different conditions. I really want to hear that I'm > wrong. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Excellent and level-headed review. Thanks, Ben. This is one of the smartest bits of audio reviewing I've read in this or almost any forum. Ben Diss;145961 Wrote: > Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter > connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable) > connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables. > > - It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good > environment and a very revealing system, I doubt you could A/B it in a > short listening session. > > - Transporter had lightly wider soundstage with instruments a bit more > precisely placed. If I closed my eyes and tried to imagine exactly > where an instrument was in front of me it was a narrower space with the > Transporter, but only slightly. > > - Transporter resolved very high frequencies a tiny bit better. > Background cymbals were more recognizable, for example. > > - Strong notes sustain better with the Transporter. A bass drum hit > with the same authority on both, but tended to trail off quicker with > the Lavry. > > Overall, the Transporter is a tiny bit warmer to the Lavry's tiny bit > more analytic nature. If given the choice between the two for the same > cost, there is no question I would take the Transporter. > > From a value comparison ($1300 vs. $2000) it's a tough call if it's > worth the price difference on sound alone. For me, the additional > features of the Transporter are well worth the upgrade price. I had > only hoped that it would at least be as good as the Lavry and it > certainly met that criteria so I'll be getting one. > > -Ben -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Sounds good... Assuming close qulaity levels, my major concern is versatility. Paying less for Lavry combo, I can reuse Lavry if for some reason SB goes out of use. The best thing about Lavry is not just how it sounds, but rather how it behaves in less then ideal conditions, with different sources, with different level of jitter. Being studio product, it's designed to do well virtually everywhere. Transporter would be a dream if it can handle digital input as good as Lavry does. Well, I don't know, but from some posts here I've got an impression that Tranporter has little, if any, incoming jitter processing with all the effort dedicated to preventing jitter generation from inside Tansporter, while Lavry has three thoroughly designed modes for different conditions. I really want to hear that I'm wrong. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Let me speak to the specific differences I heard between the Transporter connected directly to the amp and the SB2/Lavry (w/high-end power cable) connected to the same amp with the same XLR cables. - It's really, really, really close. If you don't have a super good environment and a very revealing system, I doubt you could A/B it in a short listening session. - Transporter had lightly wider soundstage with instruments a bit more precisely placed. If I closed my eyes and tried to imagine exactly where an instrument was in front of me it was a narrower space with the Transporter, but only slightly. - Transporter resolved very high frequencies a tiny bit better. Background cymbals were more recognizable, for example. - Strong notes sustain better with the Transporter. A bass drum hit with the same authority on both, but tended to trail off quicker with the Lavry. Overall, the Transporter is a tiny bit warmer to the Lavry's tiny bit more analytic nature. If given the choice between the two for the same cost, there is no question I would take the Transporter. >From a value comparison ($1300 vs. $2000) it's a tough call if it's worth the price difference on sound alone. For me, the additional features of the Transporter are well worth the upgrade price. I had only hoped that it would at least be as good as the Lavry and it certainly met that criteria so I'll be getting one. -Ben -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Like I said, I should hope the Gold was more resolving. Eight or nine times the cost. Yep, it had better be something special. I find it out that you consider the Lavry "smearing," though. Audio professionals and even high-profile reviewers I know consider it state of the art and perfectly revealing. In an absolute sense. Still, there is always a matter of taste. I personally prefer it to the Benchmark, but some people prefer the Benchmark. Potatoes, Potaatoes. Alas, modding something by one's self is beyond most people. The Monica sounds kind of cool, though. Is there a market place somewhere for DIY projects like this? From your comments, I'd be interesting in getting my paws on one to check outl. Jenks;145923 Wrote: > Lots of expensive parts were involved so it was not cheap cheap, I think > about USD400 plus the SB2. A lot went into the power supplies and black > gates everywhere. Black Gates work very well with NOS DACs - better > than Auricaps. > > I couldn't call the DA10 close to the Gold in my system, but obviously > such subjective ratings are subjective. My system involves Nuforce amps > too, but through Jena SCs and Verity Parsifals. I have owned the Blue > about two years, the Black about three months and had the Gold on loan > for 6 weeks. The Black is on loan to a friend who also finds it a > little too lacking in immediacy in his system. It is a fantastic > value, no doubt of that, clearly better value than the Blue. But I do > prefer my Monica2, and the Gold was clearly more resolving and notes > started and stopped with much less smear and more naturally. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Lots of expensive parts were involved so it was not cheap cheap, I think about USD400 plus the SB2. A lot went into the power supplies and black gates everywhere. Black Gates work very well with NOS DACs - better than Auricaps. I couldn't call the DA10 close to the Gold in my system, but obviously such subjective ratings are subjective. My system involves Nuforce amps too, but through Jena SCs and Verity Parsifals. I have owned the Blue about two years, the Black about three months and had the Gold on loan for 6 weeks. The Black is on loan to a friend who also finds it a little too lacking in immediacy in his system. It is a fantastic value, no doubt of that, clearly better value than the Blue. But I do prefer my Monica2, and the Gold was clearly more resolving and notes started and stopped with much less smear and more naturally. -- Jenks Jenks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Jenks;145838 Wrote: > The Lavry DA10 will sound a bit soft in many systems and is a house > sound. Having owned both that and a Lavry Blue I wouldn't consider them > very similar except for that house sound. And to suggest the DA10 comes > close to the Lavry Gold is not remotely like my experience of them - > more like wishful thinking. > > The Lavry DA10 will definitely improve a standard SB3 in a good system, > but the better route is to open up the SB3 and do some tweaks. I have > ripped the guts out of a SB2, modded the board a little, stuffed it in > a box with a Monica2 DAC board and stuffed a transformer and linear > supplies in there too and can't wait to hear if the Transporter can > match it - some very pricey CDPs I have tried haven't. > > All of that is fitted in a 1U height, half rack width aluminium box > with a depth of 14 inches. From a front view it is no bigger than a > SB2. Great info. Your DIY SB2/Monica2 DAC combo sounds very interesting. How much did this project cost? -- jhm731 jhm731's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
I've had a Lavry Blue and now own a DA10 -- I have had experience with both products for quite some time. I've not only heard the DA10 compared favorably with the Gold, but I've heard both in the same system. Of course it was different. For $8,000 more, it had better be different. But, it was subtle and nuanced and not night and day. The Gold is really a product intended for a flawless system, which would include a room, etc., for deep and most often corporate pockets, and for a no-expenses-spared-I've-got-to-make-the-best-Beethoven-recording-ever budget. FWIW, this is pretty much what I've heard from everybody familiar with these products. The DA10 is a damned good unit for the price. Jenks;145838 Wrote: > The Lavry DA10 will sound a bit soft in many systems and is a house > sound. Having owned both that and a Lavry Blue I wouldn't consider them > very similar except for that house sound. And to suggest the DA10 comes > close to the Lavry Gold is not remotely like my experience of them - > more like wishful thinking. > > The Lavry DA10 will definitely improve a standard SB3 in a good system, > but the better route is to open up the SB3 and do some tweaks. I have > ripped the guts out of a SB2, modded the board a little, stuffed it in > a box with a Monica2 DAC board and stuffed a transformer and linear > supplies in there too and can't wait to hear if the Transporter can > match it - some very pricey CDPs I have tried haven't. > > All of that is fitted in a 1U height, half rack width aluminium box > with a depth of 14 inches. From a front view it is no bigger than a > SB2. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
The Lavry DA10 will sound a bit soft in many systems and is a house sound. Having owned both that and a Lavry Blue I wouldn't consider them very similar except for that house sound. And to suggest the DA10 comes close to the Lavry Gold is not remotely like my experience of them - more like wishful thinking. The Lavry DA10 will definitely improve a standard SB3 in a good system, but the better route is to open up the SB3 and do some tweaks. I have ripped the guts out of a SB2, modded the board a little, stuffed it in a box with a Monica2 DAC board and stuffed a transformer and linear supplies in there too and can't wait to hear if the Transporter can match it - some very pricey CDPs I have tried haven't. All of that is fitted in a 1U height, half rack width aluminium box with a depth of 14 inches. From a front view it is no bigger than a SB2. -- Jenks Jenks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3413 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ok, so Ben just left after about 2 hours of comparisons. I'll outline what we listened to, then let Ben make the first comments about what we heard. We did two sets of comparisons: 1: Using the Blue Circle BC3000mkII preamp, we listened to: -Transporter -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -Oracle CD1000 -> Dodson DA-218 DAC -Transporter analog out -SB2 analog out 2: Running directly into the Blue Circle BC206 amp, we listened to: -Transporter analog out -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Lavry D10 -SB2 (w/Elpac) -> Bel Canto DAC3 We also swapped power cords on the Lavry, trying both a generic shielded power cord as well as an Audience powerChord. The Audience powerChord was also used on the Bel Canto DAC3. Ben is the one who spent the majority of time in the listening seat/sweetspot, so his comments will likely mean more than mine. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
highdudgeon;145761 Wrote: > Those are all very good cables (my ranting aside, I do own a set of > Audience AU24s and I have had numerous expensive cables before coming > to my senses. > > 1. I trust your honesty and integrity. Even though it won't be > scientific, I'm sure you will be fair. It's too bad you don't have a > balanced system...but just use adapters and it should be fine. Okay? > Use the SAME preamp and just put adapters on the AU24s, say, for the > Lavry. What we might try to do is to run both into the amp without a preamp at all... > 2. The Blue Circle and Bel Canto -- Really??? I've always been a fan > of Bel Canto gear. I loved my Bel Canto Pre22. Can you say more? I probably should have said "or as good a match, for that matter". Using a Blue Circle preamp with a Bel Canto amp is actually a surprisingly excellent match...but I've generally found that pre+amp staying in the same brand is usually a better match... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Those are all very good cables (my ranting aside, I do own a set of Audience AU24s and I have had numerous expensive cables before coming to my senses. 1. I trust your honesty and integrity. Even though it won't be scientific, I'm sure you will be fair. It's too bad you don't have a balanced system...but just use adapters and it should be fine. Okay? Use the SAME preamp and just put adapters on the AU24s, say, for the Lavry. 2. The Blue Circle and Bel Canto -- Really??? I've always been a fan of Bel Canto gear. I loved my Bel Canto Pre22. Can you say more? PhilNYC;145727 Wrote: > At this point, Ben will be the only other person here. One thing to > consider: This comparison will not be very scientific, because > unfortunately there will be a number of variables in this test that > will not make the comparisons "even"...the biggest variable being that > I generally run single-ended cables throughout my system, and the Lavry > only has XLR/balanced outs, so we will be making a number of compromises > with regards to how each component (Transporter, Lavry, etc) will be put > in the system. My best preamp (Blue Circle BC3000mkII GZpz) only has > single-ended inputs, but I do have another preamp (Bel Canto Pre3) that > we can use...the Pre3 is not nearly as resolving (or a good match, for > that matter) with my best amp (a Blue Circle BC206). And the only > balanced cable I own is an Audience Au24, whereas the rest of my system > uses Acoustic Zen Absolute RCA cables. > > Anyways, I think we'll be able to achieve something with this > comparison...getting a sense of the "ballpark" in which each component > plays...with no definitive "better" or "worse" given the other > variables at play. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
highdudgeon;145672 Wrote: > Hopefully Phil will have more that one person over, hopefully they can > do some blind testing, etc. This stuff is, in the end, subjective -- > remember, subjective doesn't mean that something is better in an > absolute sense, it just means you you LIKE it more; it is fair to like > something that is not as absolutely high in performance as something > else and I think people get this confused -- but the reports should be > interesting. At this point, Ben will be the only other person here. One thing to consider: This comparison will not be very scientific, because unfortunately there will be a number of variables in this test that will not make the comparisons "even"...the biggest variable being that I generally run single-ended cables throughout my system, and the Lavry only has XLR/balanced outs, so we will be making a number of compromises with regards to how each component (Transporter, Lavry, etc) will be put in the system. My best preamp (Blue Circle BC3000mkII GZpz) only has single-ended inputs, but I do have another preamp (Bel Canto Pre3) that we can use...the Pre3 is not nearly as resolving (or a good match, for that matter) with my best amp (a Blue Circle BC206). And the only balanced cable I own is an Audience Au24, whereas the rest of my system uses Acoustic Zen Absolute RCA cables. Anyways, I think we'll be able to achieve something with this comparison...getting a sense of the "ballpark" in which each component plays...with no definitive "better" or "worse" given the other variables at play. -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
his has been discussed to death, but allow me to repeat a few points: 1. It is a professional audio product. It is NOT an audiophile product. That is the say, the primary market for the device is the professional recording community and not the audiophile community. The Lavry DA10 is a simplified half-rack version -- and slightly updated -- of the Lavry Blue, which has been an industry reference. The "high end" market is a luxury market and components are almost invariably overpriced. They are aesthetically pleasing (mostly), they have brand recognition, etc. You pay premiums for these things. The professional market is geared at, well, professionals who actually use these components to make the recordings you listen to at home. There are few, if any, aesthetic considerations. Look at the Lavry and look at most rack components. (Benchmark did a good job, incidentally, in their attempt to bridge the gap) Notice that Lavry isn't really even sold through high end dealers -- almost all sales are direct or through professional audio equipment providers. Mastering studio engineer work on professional, not personal, budgets, and they pay for quality, not status. Hence, prices tend to be lower. Notice that the Lavry DA10 has been compared to the Audio Prism DAC ($9,000) and very favorably, as in extremely close to, the Lavry 924 ($8,500). Notice, too, the the Lavry is a buffering and de-jittering DAC and one of the very few to function in this way. In theory, the transport should not matter. The device buffers the incoming stream, re-clocks, and moves along. From my personal experience, everything coming through the Lavry -- a high end CD player, a mid-fi CD/DVD player, a SB3 -- all sound exactly the same, even regardless of cable. This is why the device is the current darling of mastering studio engineers. Note bene: these are people who make their living perfecting recordings and I think we can take it for granted that they know more about audio than 95% of audiophiles. 2. The SB3 has a very low price point. However, as noted, written, and discussed, the JA stereophile review found that the SB3, used as a transport into a Levison DAC was virtually indistinguishable from a Ayre universal player ($6k) as a transport. That's a 20x price difference in the comparison. AND, the Levison doesn't even have the functionality of the Lavry. (For that matter, I would expect both the Benchmark and the Lavry to be better all-around devices. There's a reason why pros use these devices and, by and large, not audiophile devices. 3. You are right: the Lavry and SB3 with analog outs are two different beasts. However, the experience will make you realize just how good a SB3 really is. Personally, for a person on a more limited budget, the difference in cost is better spent on speakers. 4. Lavry and DCS. I have it on fairly good authority that they are very close indeed, and that the Lavry, and even Benchmark, have a bit of a leg up -- if only because of financial considerations together with extraordinarily close performance that is perhaps only different a bit in flavor (subjective preference here) and not in terms of absolute resolution. 5. I expect the Transporter will fair very well indeed. Sean e al have put a great deal of time and energy into good research and design. Mine is on order so I cannot speak from personal experience. However, those who DO have one seem very impressed. Look at his measurements (I know) -- the device is easily in Benchmark category, which means it is very close to a Lavry. And it has a lot more functionality. I would like to see the following comparisions: SB3 vs. SB3/Lavry; SB3 vs. Transporter; Transporter vs. SB3/Lavry; Transporter vs. Transporter/Lavry (this one would be interesting indeed!) 325xi;145596 Wrote: > I think the correct way to evaluate products is to compare them in their > approximate price ranges. > > I don't know how can we really compare SB3 DAC vs. highly sophisticated > Lavry. Transporter seems to be better match. > > I also don't know if I would compare Lavry to some no-compromise > products such as dCS or EMM stuff for the same reason - different > league, different compromises, different initial design requirements. -- highdudgeon Really nice Harbeths. Nuforce amps. Digital EQ. Lavry DA10. SB3. Transporter on the way. This is my "main system." The nicest thing was doing away with the preamp. The SB3 is a perfect Transport. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
325xi;145599 Wrote: > Because any such comparison is highly subjective. Some sound may appeal > to your taste but not to be really better. So we want to keep as much > as possible potentially influencing factors out of the picture. > Like price, you mean? You've made a series of arguments for the opposite of what you wanted to show. Comparisons are hard, yeah and the "influencing factor" of knowing one product is more expensive than another will affect what we perceive. And that's exactly why we need to do a proper blind comparison - it's the only way to know whether the more expensive product really is better. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
325xi;145599 Wrote: > Because any such comparison is highly subjective. Some sound may appeal > to your taste but not to be really better. So we want to keep as much > as possible potentially influencing factors out of the picture. > If you compare Toyota to Ferrari and prefer Toyota because of more > comfortable raid, will it make Toyota really superior car overall? What > it really does is confuses those who aren't well familiar with both to > understand the "basic assumptions" such as "everybody knows what each > car is, but all I care is to go shopping, so..." > > Or take the cameras: little plain soapbox camera may give or almost the > same picture quality as a semi-pro SLR under perfect conditions. But the > conclusion that they are mutually replaceable is wrong, because the > result valid only for specific conditions. > > If one doesn't hear much difference between hi-end low-end DACs, it may > mean that they indeed don't really differ, but it also can mean the test > condition don't allow to hear difference, or that the person is unable > to hear it due to today's headache, or sound of better quality setup > just doesn't appeal to the listener, etc. So what such a comparison > worth? You sound like a dealer that's afraid he will lose money with bargain priced gear. In hi-end audio there is often little correlation between price and quality. The only thing important is how it sounds, unless you want to pay a lot extra for a certain look.but this has nothing to do with the sound of a unit. To automatically rule out comparisons between units in different price ranges is absurd in the extreme. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
325xi;145599 Wrote: > Because any such comparison is highly subjective. But isn't that the point? I think it's a valid question. If a listening test based around a high-resolution system found little or no difference between, say, a modded SB3 and a full dcS setup, then the value of the dcS must be questioned. If, however, it did, but there was no audible difference based on a mid-range system, then that would again be a useful result: the SB3 might be good enough for all but the very best amp-speaker setups. I think that this point is missed in many reviews. In general, reviewers either try everything in their reference system, and then are disparaging of mid-price kit as it isn't quite as good as $10k+ kit, or they try it in 'matching'-priced systems, and then you can't judge what kit genuinely punches above its weight. The difference between digital sources is not as clear as the difference between a sports car and a family estate. There is little or no functionality difference - it play music, that's all (subject to CD vs network, I suppose) - so your Ferrari/Toyota analogy is a bit disingenuous. The sound is what matters for both products. -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
dlite;145598 Wrote: > Why to compare the value for money? There are many products out > there that are very expensive with no better design or parts than low > to mid range products. Many products live on reputations gained many > years ago and they do not live up to that reputation. > > Granted you are not comparing apples with apples, but a plate of hot > chips can often be enjoyed as much if not more than a Lobster/seafood > platter. Because any such comparison is highly subjective. Some sound may appeal to your taste but not to be really better. So we want to keep as much as possible potentially influencing factors out of the picture. If you compare Toyota to Ferrari and prefer Toyota because of more comfortable raid, will it make Toyota really superior car overall? What it really does is confuses those who aren't well familiar with both to understand the "basic assumptions" such as "everybody knows what each car is, but all I care is to go shopping, so..." -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Why to compare the value for money? There are many products out there that are very expensive with no better design or parts than low to mid range products. Many products live on reputations gained many years ago and they do not live up to that reputation. Granted you are not comparing apples with apples, but a plate of hot chips can often be enjoyed as much if not more than a Lobster/seafood platter. -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
I think the correct way to evaluate products is to compare them in their approximate price ranges. I don't know how can we really compare SB3 DAC vs. highly sophisticated Lavry. Transporter seems to be better match. I also don't know if I would compare Lavry to some no-compromise products such as dCS or EMM stuff for the same reason - different league, different compromises, different initial design requirements. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp >> simaudio moon i-5 >> revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix reference ii and acoustic zen satori -planned additions: sb3 >> deq2496 >> lavry da-10 >> ... or will it be transporter?- 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
I sell the Lavry and Slim Devices products, normally run the Lavry off the stock Squeezebox 3's digital outputs. The Lavry DA10 overall is a superior DAC, but the Squeezebox 3 does have a bit more of that "im there" feeling although lacking in detail and clarity against the Lavry. As for the Transporter, still not arrived here in Australia yet, should be this week. Can't wait..Hope i don't wet my pants in the excitement when it arrives. :-) Cheers Michael -- dlite dlite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4885 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Ben Diss;144216 Wrote: > Phil- I've been neglectful of my email lately, sorry. What's this > coming week look like for you? Maybe Wed or Thurs evening? Hey Ben! Thursday evening works well for me...let's plan something... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Phil- I've been neglectful of my email lately, sorry. What's this coming week look like for you? Maybe Wed or Thurs evening? -- Ben Diss Ben Diss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
PhilNYC;143717 Wrote: > This question seems to pop up a lot. I'm really curious about this > Lavry DAC. Anyone in the NY/Northern NJ area have one who can come by > and bring it? I've got a Transporter and would love to do a > comparison... hope you beat the rest of us to a review...my friend wont have his for at least another 2 weeks -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
highdudgeon;144188 Wrote: > Alas, no. I have a Transporter on order -- it's a couple weeks out. I > have a stock SB3 and a Lavry DA10. The differences more mostly subtle, > I think, but imaging is somewhat improved. The Transporter is simply > more attractive: one box, great aesthetics, increased functionality, > and the sound has got to be as good or better than what I have now. I > look forward to a good comparison. So do I.it is one good looking unit -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Alas, no. I have a Transporter on order -- it's a couple weeks out. I have a stock SB3 and a Lavry DA10. The differences more mostly subtle, I think, but imaging is somewhat improved. The Transporter is simply more attractive: one box, great aesthetics, increased functionality, and the sound has got to be as good or better than what I have now. I look forward to a good comparison. tomjtx;143946 Wrote: > that's a good review, thanks for the post. > > I have a dealer friend who carries the transporter. At some point he > will bring one over and we will compare it with the Lavry and the SB > and lavry>Transporter etc. > I have Watt/Puppies and Jeff Rowland amplification so the system is > reasonably neutral and revealing.(or at least seems that way to me) > > My SB has a Bolder modded elpac but no other mods. > My friend just became an SD dealer so I think he is still 2 or more > weeks away from getting a transporter. > I will be happy to share my impressions although I would hasten to add > they are subjective and someone else may have a different experience. > > I was hoping someone would post some initial impressions. I know there > are some who have the transporter and the lavry who have made very > insightful posts on other topics (hint hint, highdudgeon?) :-) -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
TCM;143814 Wrote: > Here's a "DAC Showdown: AQVOX USB 2 D/A vs. Benchmark DAC1 vs. Lavry > Black DA10" from Head-Fi. > > http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161032&highlight=lavry+benchmark that's a good review, thanks for the post. I have a dealer friend who carries the transporter. At some point he will bring one over and we will compare it with the Lavry and the SB and lavry>Transporter etc. I have Watt/Puppies and Jeff Rowland amplification so the system is reasonably neutral and revealing.(or at least seems that way to me) My SB has a Bolder modded elpac but no other mods. My friend just became an SD dealer so I think he is still 2 or more weeks away from getting a transporter. I will be happy to share my impressions although I would hasten to add they are subjective and someone else may have a different experience. I was hoping someone would post some initial impressions. I know there are some who have the transporter and the lavry who have made very insightful posts on other topics (hint hint, highdudgeon?) :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
Here's a "DAC Showdown: AQVOX USB 2 D/A vs. Benchmark DAC1 vs. Lavry Black DA10" from Head-Fi. http://www6.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161032&highlight=lavry+benchmark -- TCM http://www.last.fm/user/ThisCharmingMan/ TCM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter V Lavry10
This question seems to pop up a lot. I'm really curious about this Lavry DAC. Anyone in the NY/Northern NJ area have one who can come by and bring it? I've got a Transporter and would love to do a comparison... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28369 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
