[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
highdudgeon;148650 Wrote: > For a meter or half meter run of cable...it's silly to think XLR has any > particular advantage. Mind you, I use a lot of XLR gear...but that's > just because it happens to be balanced. (Like my Lavry, for instance). I need to use an adaptor plug (xlr to rca ) because my rowland has only xlr input/outputs. So I can't try it now. The trials of audiophilia... -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
For a meter or half meter run of cable...it's silly to think XLR has any particular advantage. Mind you, I use a lot of XLR gear...but that's just because it happens to be balanced. (Like my Lavry, for instance). tomjtx;148648 Wrote: > That is what I thought you meant. The problem is if you use balanced > outs you can't adjust the attenuation. > There are some that think balanced is desirable over unbalanced(most of > my former girlfriends say I am the latter). > > I have no opinion. At some point I will play around with different > combos but, now, I'm enjoying listening too much to mess with it. :-) -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
highdudgeon;148636 Wrote: > Actually, I wasn't clear. The deal is that, without analog attenuation, > the thing is really, really, reall loud. So, you turn it way down, and > that gets you, possibly, into a area of degradation. > > Now, if you set analog attenuation, you can keep the digital volume up > without blowing your ears or speakers, and that also keeps you in the > safe zone. > > I'm finding that -10db is right for my amps/speakers. That is what I thought you meant. The problem is if you use balanced outs you can't adjust the attenuation. There are some that think balanced is desirable over unbalanced(most of my former girlfriends say I am the latter). I have no opinion. At some point I will play around with different combos but, now, I'm enjoying listening too much to mess with it. :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Actually, I wasn't clear. The deal is that, without analog attenuation, the thing is really, really, reall loud. So, you turn it way down, and that gets you, possibly, into a area of degradation. Now, if you set analog attenuation, you can keep the digital volume up without blowing your ears or speakers, and that also keeps you in the safe zone. I'm finding that -10db is right for my amps/speakers. tomjtx;148630 Wrote: > Thanks HD. THAT answers my question precisely. I knew this was the case > for the SB but I wasn't sure about the TP > > I guess since Patrick is a Brit he doesn't speak american and , I > hasten to add, I don't speak British (most of my brit friends would say > we don't speak english either, we mangle it) :-) > My Spanish is better than my British. > > Thank you both for taking the time. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
highdudgeon;148623 Wrote: > Volume attenuation in the Transporter is digital, happening before the > DAC. If you're running direct to a power amp, then you need some form > of analog attentuation for two reasons: 1) to protect your speakers in > case of some sort of failure (read Sean's posts on this) and 2) to > maintain your volume setting above the point where digital artefacting > would kick in because you're digging into the 16 bit word. Thanks HD. THAT answers my question precisely. I knew this was the case for the SB but I wasn't sure about the TP I guess since Patrick is a Brit he doesn't speak american and , I hasten to add, I don't speak British (most of my brit friends would say we don't speak english either, we mangle it) :-) My Spanish is better than my British. Thank you both for taking the time. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Volume attenuation in the Transporter is digital, happening before the DAC. If you're running direct to a power amp, then you need some form of analog attentuation for two reasons: 1) to protect your speakers in case of some sort of failure (read Sean's posts on this) and 2) to maintain your volume setting above the point where digital artefacting would kick in because you're digging into the 16 bit word. tomjtx;148609 Wrote: > I think I should rephrase my question. > > I have disabled the digital attenuation. > > According to SD this doesn't affect the volume control when listening > through the analouge outs. However is the volume control digital or > analouge at this point? -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
tomjtx;148609 Wrote: > I think I should rephrase my question. > > I have disabled the digital attenuation. > > According to SD this doesn't affect the volume control when listening > through the analouge outs. However is the volume control digital or > analouge at this point? I have no idea what you mean and I've already given all the answers you need! So just enjoy! -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
I think I should rephrase my question. I have disabled the digital attenuation. According to SD this doesn't affect the volume control when listening through the analouge outs. However is the volume control digital or analouge at this point? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Thanks Patrick, I have disabled the digital vol. control, so it is at 100 I am using balanced outputs in the analouge so there is no att. adjustment possible, it is fixed at 0db. I was wondering about the TP analouge volume setting if I use a pre-amp. Should I set it at max and use the pre-amp to get the best sound with a pre-amp? Currently I can use either the pre amp remote or the TP remote to adjust volume. Soon I will try the TP straight into the amp, I just want to get used to the sound through the pre amp 1st. Patrick Dixon;148554 Wrote: > The attenuation is via resistors on the analogue outputs - so it's > analogue. You also have the digital volume control (exactly as per the > SB3) which you set using the remote control or web UI. > > Unity gain is a little meaningless unless you say what it's referenced > to. By definition, the 0db attenuator setting is unity wrt to the > unattenuated analogue output. > > If you are using a preamp, you should leave the attenuators at 0db and > fix the digital volume control at 100. Then use the preamp volume > control. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
tomjtx;148528 Wrote: > It's not clear in the manual if TP analog att. is digital or not as it > is in the SB. > Could Sean enlighten us. > Also , if it is not digital is full volume setting unity gain? The attenuation is via resistors on the analogue outputs - so it's analogue. You also have the digital volume control (exactly as per the SB3) which you set using the remote control or web UI. Unity gain is a little meaningless unless you say what it's referenced to. By definition, the 0db attenuator setting is unity wrt to the unattenuated analogue output. If you are using a preamp, you should leave the attenuators at 0db and fix the digital volume control at 100. Then use the preamp volume control. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Mark Lanctot;148525 Wrote: > I'm not sure if the attenuation circuit affects the digital volume? It doesn't - you set the attenuation to get the digital volume control working in the range from 0db to -30db (as high as possible) at your normal listening levels. Where you set it will depend on three things:- (1) The gain of your power amp, (2) The efficiency of your speakers, (3) The volume (SPL) you like to listen at. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
It's not clear in the manual if TP analog att. is digital or not as it is in the SB. Could Sean enlighten us. Also , if it is not digital is full volume setting unity gain? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
highdudgeon;148518 Wrote: > 2. How much digital attenuation am I using...enough to get into > artefacting at low volumes? I'm not sure if the attenuation circuit affects the digital volume? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
you can disable all digital attenuation using the interface in player settings. I am using a pre amp and I wonder where to set the analog volume on the transporter for best sound? Will try direct into the amp to compare. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Correction: make that -10db. So, using -10db of internal analog attenuation, I wonder: 1. How much protection am I getting for my speakers? Enough not to blow the system? 2. How much digital attenuation am I using...enough to get into artefacting at low volumes? I haven't played around that much. It sounds very good. highdudgeon;148412 Wrote: > Answered my own question -- DUH. XLR is XLR and under a different > specification. The attenuaition thing is for RCA only. Good thing my > amp takes balanced or RCA. > > Anyway, if anyone is curious, I set the attenuation to -30db. That's > too much. With the volume maxed out it's not exactly loud. Halfway > down and it is silent. I'm guessing that -20db might be just about > right. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Transporter arrived -- volume attenuation question, help?
Answered my own question -- DUH. XLR is XLR and under a different specification. The attenuaition thing is for RCA only. Good thing my amp takes balanced or RCA. Anyway, if anyone is curious, I set the attenuation to -30db. That's too much. With the volume maxed out it's not exactly loud. Halfway down and it is silent. I'm guessing that -20db might be just about right. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28889 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
