[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
ModelCitizen;172558 Wrote: > When I rang NAIM to ask them about whether there were any likely issues > around using a Transporter directly into a NAIM power amp I was told by > Adam Meredith that the only thing that was required was the correct > output impedance and signal level. He didn't mention ultrasonics at > all. > MC I suppose it's possible that Naim have recently modified the design of their power amps to remove the need for a bandwidth limited signal - but that wouldn't apply to anyone who has an older sample. Or it could be that they are familiar with the Transporter and know whether it's safe to use. (As I speculated in my earlier posting, it seems likely that the Transporter won't put out any nasty ultrasonics). -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
Patrick Dixon;172351 Wrote: > you might not be able to hear any difference at all with a standard SB > ;-) > ( or Transporter) Chortle! MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
cliveb;172365 Wrote: > The reason why you need to use a Naim preamp with their power amps is > because Naim power amps rely on being fed a bandwidth limited signal. > Lots of high frequency (ultrasonic) energy can drive them into > instability. Naim preamps ensure that no nasty ultrasonics get through. When I rang NAIM to ask them about whether there were any likely issues around using a Transporter directly into a NAIM power amp I was told by Adam Meredith that the only thing that was required was the correct output impedance and signal level. He didn't mention ultrasonics at all. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
cliveb;172365 Wrote: > The reason why you need to use a Naim preamp with their power amps is > because Naim power amps rely on being fed a bandwidth limited signal. > Lots of high frequency (ultrasonic) energy can drive them into > instability. Naim preamps ensure that no nasty ultrasonics get through. Exactly. I use 82/SC/250. Sounds pretty good with SB3/Bolder mods. -- sonofcolin sonofcolin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9291 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
ModelCitizen;172225 Wrote: > Does Fifer do the same as me... or are you getting mixed up? > Think I'm getting mixed up :-( -- magnanimous magnanimous's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8977 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
coop250;172340 Wrote: > Although I do wonder whether not using a good Naim preamp (82, 52 or > higher) is reducing the sound quality of the power amp. I have read > many times and it's also stated in their own manuals that Naim power > amps shouldn't be used without their preamps, but if you've only got > one source and that source also has attenuation control and a volume > control, then why not. The reason why you need to use a Naim preamp with their power amps is because Naim power amps rely on being fed a bandwidth limited signal. Lots of high frequency (ultrasonic) energy can drive them into instability. Naim preamps ensure that no nasty ultrasonics get through. I'd have thought that, assuming the Transporter has proper anti-imaging filters after the DAC, it won't be putting out any ultrasonics anyway, so you're probably safe. -- cliveb Performers -> dozens of mixers and effects -> clipped/hypercompressed mastering -> you think a few extra ps of jitter matters? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
coop250;172340 Wrote: > > I would love to hear from anyone who has 82, 52 or higher preamp and > has done the above comparison. > I had an 82 with 2 Hicaps, and trying it into a non-naim amp (I'd already sold my 135s), I slightly preferred things without. That was with an SB+ though, you might not be able to hear any difference at all with a standard SB ;-) ( or Transporter) -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
There's just 2 boxes in my system, running into Shahinian Arcs: Transporter - NAP250. Nothing else, no preamp, no Hicap or any other power supply. Very minimalist and sounds great. Although I do wonder whether not using a good Naim preamp (82, 52 or higher) is reducing the sound quality of the power amp. I have read many times and it's also stated in their own manuals that Naim power amps shouldn't be used without their preamps, but if you've only got one source and that source also has attenuation control and a volume control, then why not. I would love to hear from anyone who has 82, 52 or higher preamp and has done the above comparison. By the way TurnipMan you would need a 2x phono to XLR cable if you had the NAP250 - Chord company can make them for you and can probably make any other connection you may need if you tell them what amp you end up with. Hope this helps, Craig. -- coop250 coop250's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8217 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
Does Fifer do the same as me... or are you getting mixed up? I bought my NAIM-like cables from the Soundstable eBay shop (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/SoundStable). Top quality cables and unbelievably good value. Highly recommended. Make sure you specify exactly the correct cable though (for my NAP250: dual phono to 240 degree 4 pin din with locking nut)! MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
TurnipMan;172048 Wrote: > Thanks for the quick response. The Wiki entry does explain some of the > issues, but does not give the tech details for Naim power amps and also > Naim use "funny" plugs and sockets so I'd like to know where I could get > the components or a suitable made up cable in the UK. Ah sorry I didn't realize you were asking an amplfier specific question. Sorry I don't know. You could try checking the Naim web page for the stats I used in the Bryston example, then go forth and calculate. Covering every amplifier with a wiki page is rather a tall assignment with volunteers. But feel free to add a Wiki page when you figure it out! ;-) -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
I think "Fifer" has has TP connected directly to his NAP250, at least it appears so from his sig. You could contact him for info. Cheers Richard -- magnanimous magnanimous's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8977 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
Thanks for the quick response. The Wiki entry does explain some of the issues, but does not give the tech details for Naim power amps and also Naim use "funny" plugs and sockets so I'd like to know where I could get the components or a suitable made up cable in the UK. -- TurnipMan TurnipMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9739 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Using a Naim Power Amp Without a PreAmp
Check out the New Wiki page: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?ConnectToPowerAmp Let me know if it answers your questions. -- Eric Carroll Eric Carroll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9293 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31865 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
