Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
I think Logitech could sell a boat load of these. Many many folks have digital preamps and the onboard dac is a total waste. -- mswlogo Thinkpad XP SS > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF-COAX > Meridian G68ADV (Trifield, Room corrected, Upsampled) > DSP6000 Mains, DSP5500HC Center, DSP33 Rears mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
OK. Good to know. And thanks for the advice on how much I should rely on Stereophile reviews. I fully understand that it's my ear and my brain to judge and there are many factors (other gears, how the CD was mastered, the room, my mood...) to be considered. Sean, could you clarify whether there is significant design difference, when using as a transport, between the SB3 and the Transporter? I was wondering why it would still cost more than $1500 if you take out the analog part from the Transporter. Functionally, it is an SB3 transport (less than $300) + 96k processing + interfaces such as clock input. I always thought that the big value added by the Transporter is its audiophile grade DAC. Well I am not in the US so I am careful in purchasing. That's why I am seeking help here: if I spend the dollar for a Transporter, and IF (a big IF) I still think it is not good enough, what are my options? I went through the Modwright Transporter and the SB+ and the info is very helpful. Any suggestions on the DAC with clock output? -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
I have compared both, sent directly to a set of meridian DSP5500 speakers and via a Z-sys RDP-1 digital pre/parametric and cannot tell the 2 apart in the digital domain, I would get a SB3 + offboard DAC for maximum flexibility. I was very dissapointed in the the TP's analog output. I was not able to audition the TP prior to purchase , but had I had done so , would have just stuck to a SB3. $phile ratings , indeed just about any magazines "ratings" are not a yardstick I would use for anything other than weeding out the units you want to audition , your ears , your system , your room , your taste are the final determinants of what floats your boat. On the tranport issue , a Sb3 with more digital input/output options and a "add on" PS upgrade kit might be a very good seller at a much cheaper price than a TP. That wouldnt be more then $500-$600 would it? On the TP , I don't really see any value to dual displays , front panel buttons or the "knob" barring the fact it bulks the unit up. My logitech dealer actually said to me he opened the sealed carton the TP came in cos when he lifted the box , it felt "empty". I don't feel the radical jump from the Sb3/duet to the TP of $1500+ is worth it in terms of any sonic improvements and would imagine there must be some market for an "inbetween" product. -- Rodney_Gold Sb3/Z-sys RDP1/meridian DSP5500's TP/X-cans v3/Senns 650's TP/TACT 2.0/SCM 50a's TP/Meridian DSP5000's "The nicest thing about smacking your head against the wall is...the feeling you get when you stop" Rodney_Gold's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14618 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Thanks a lot. Yes my 2nd question is a bit complicated, but my first question is straightforward: is the digital outputs of the SB3 the same as that of the Transporter? -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
I would also add that the Stereophile ratings are not a reliable index of how good any piece of gear will sound in your system with your other gear and, most importantly, YOUR ears and music preferences. Don't ever base a decision on whether Stereophile rated something A or A+ or B or whatever. As time goes on, Stereophile's reviewers have changed, preferences have changed, ratings have tended to inflate, certain types of gear are more popular than others, and a host of other factors unconnected to how "good" any given piece will actually sound to you and in comparison to some other piece you are considering. From all I've read, if you are not going to use the Transporter's DAC, just buy the SB3 or Duet. The Transporter's DAC is very good and many have found it of comparable or better quality than the DAC they were using with some other transport. The only way you are going to answer this question is to buy a Transporter (hopefully a used one so you can save some $$) and try it for yourself, A/B'ing with all your other gear. If you don't think it superior, you will certainly be able to resell it (eg on Audiogon) for what you paid. They are always snapped up when they come up used on Audigon, usually for around $1600. -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Complicated, and something you're only going to resolve with plenty of listening! Firstly, the Transporter might work for you. Try it. You might also like to consider the modded products such as the Modwright Transporter and the SB+. If you go the DAC route, I would suggest one with a clock output and slave the TP, but this does depend on the DAC. If it -is -doing its job properly, it should be independent of transport, but I fear many/most/all do not. Let us know how you get on! -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
I have a DAC working with my SB3: a California Audio Lab CL-15 CD player, with PSDIF digital input into its 20 bit DAC. I have another DAC in my home theater room: a Linn Unidisk SC, and I think that the sound quality is about the same (well, sometimes I feel the CAL is better, sometimes not). I have been enjoying the good sound and the convenience brought by the SB3 until I got a Sony XA9000ES SACD/CD player - originally for playing SACD discs, then I found it is also an excellent CD player. Soon I feel that the sound of the Sony is better than my SB3+CAL DAC, not a big difference, but distinct enough that I found I tend to listen to the Sony more and more, with old fashioned take_out_disc_from_the_shelf_and_put_it_into_the_CD tray, when I got serious in listening. There is no digital input on the Sony, by the way. My system consists of Conrad Johnson CT5 and LP70S amplifiers, Dynaudio C4 speakers. I ripped CDs with iTunes on my iMac and stream the music to my SB3 via an 11g wireless router. I don't hear much difference between the SB3+CAL DAC and the CAL CD player playing the original CD disc. My question is: will the Transporter deliver better sound with its digital output into my CAL DAC? Before I purchased the SB3, I got confirmation from the Slim Device tech support that the digital output of the SB3 and Transport are the same. Want to double check here. 2nd question: assuming TP analog output is not good enough compared with my Sony (well, I make this assumption because Stereophile put the TP at A class and the Sony at A+ class, I maybe wrong, bear with me), how do I improve by combining the TP/SB3 with a high quality DAC? There are extensive discussions in this forum about using an external word clock or a DAC with a clock output, and I agree with seanadams that an external clock may generate more jitters. So, the solution seems to be 1) get a high quality DAC with clock output, and connect it with the TP and put TP on slave (any suggestions on the brands?); 2) get a high quality DAC with "re-clock" capability (I read somewhere that Benchmark DAC-1 can do this. Any suggestions?), and connect it with my existing SB3 (or TP, if there is a difference in their digital output). Dear Experts in this forum and Sean, any answers/comments to my questions are much appreciated. Vincent -- vincentyan vincentyan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Personally I would like a transporter transport in a shoe box 1/2 width box. I would buy one of those in a shot. For some odd reason I prefer the smaller boxes, and no, i don't really know why. Ideally I would like to see an agreement with Cyrus to put a squeezebox in one of their cases. I'd pay a good £900 for that and both companies would be in profit. Do it now or I will send the boys round. M. -- mudlark SB3>CyrusDACX>PreXvs>ESP-P09B>NAP140+260A>Rhapsody, Avondale and Naim cable, Kubuntu Hardy Heron server, linkstation for storage. SB3 Flycatcher 3A linear power supply. Using SqueezeCentre 7.2 unstable mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Fair enough, if there would be no significant reduction in cost, then there is little point. I was looking at partnering with the new John Westlake DaCapo DAC, which is actually looking to be about half the price of the Transporter and would replace my pre-amp as well, and it just seems a shame to have all of the conversion and analogue electronics put into the Transporter and never use them. The Moog -- The Moog The Moog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5192 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Not the first time this has been asked. I think the problem is that it wouldn't remove much from the BOM, so you'd probably be looking somewhere north of $1,500. Considering the inherent advantage (jitter-wise) of a one-box solution, the 'full' TP is likely to sound better than one with an external DAC unless the DAC is *very* good - so you would be looking at a target audience of people who have spent more than the price of the TP on their DAC - and they can easily afford the extra $500. -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Transport?
Hi there guys, don't know if this is the right place to post such a question, but I was just wondering about the possibility of a digital transport in the true sense? I shall explain: I currently use an SB3 as a digital source for my stereo system (as my CD player gets used less and less these days!) and have been for a while now, but I really like some of the extra features available on the Transporter (ability to play 96kHz FLACs, better connectivity, facia controls, and the use of twin screens). The thing is, and Im sure I am not the only one here, but I have a DAC that I use with the SB3 that I would like to continue using, and so wouldnt use the onboard DAC or any of the analogue side of the Transporter. Because of this, I was wondering if Slim Devices would ever consider offering a cut-down Transporter that was identical in every other way, but did not have any of the digital inputs, analogue outputs, or DAC circuitry; but just had a selection of digital outputs? I dont know how much this would remove from the BOM, but most if not all of the components should be carry-over, it should be substantially cheaper, and would mean that for those of us that already have DACs that for whatever reasons we like the sound of, we would not be paying again for hardware that we would not get any use out of. The Moog -- The Moog The Moog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5192 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49256 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
