Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
any news? :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
So I thought I'd experiment with Linn Records 'Mozart Serenades' Studio Master 24bit/88.2Khz FLAC (track 6, 4:56). foobar2000 Properties showed it was 24bit/88.2Khz. The file played OK on both my TP and SB3; each of which reported (CustomBrowse plugin) that the file was 88.2Khz. There was no stuttering or problems with pitch. (NB both SB3 and TP flashed with the firmware in SqueezeCentre 7.0) So as the clocks don't support 88.2Khz, some on the fly manipulation must be happening. Where? I've used foobar2000 with the Secret Rabbit Code Resampler DSP to create a 24bit/48Khz file. The bitrate drops from about 2300kbps to 1425kbps in this file; as expected it also plays on the SB3 and TP. Now for some listening... -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Hiya, Don't really understand bits and Khz I'm afraid, only that 24bit 196KHz should sound better than 16bit 44.1Khz. So simply put, the best quality the SB can play with out any alterations to the original file from the Linn site, is 24bit 44.1Khz (Flac naturally ;) )? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Stoker;245800 Wrote: > > Using Cooledit pro I then downsampled the studio master wav file to > 24/48 using its highest quality settings, saved it and flac encoded > it. > > I then preceeded to compare the CD (16/44) quality flac with the > downsampled (24/48) flac files using an SB+ -> Naim 102/Hicap pre amp > -> Naim 140 power amp and Linn KanII speakers. > > Could I tell the difference? Well I'm not sure, there were probably > some small differences but certainly nothing black and white, I'm sure > I couldn't pick out one from the other in a blind test. In fact both > versions sounded fantastic, the music seems to have been extremely well > recorded and they certainly aren't mastered to be as loud as possible > like lots of the current CD's are. > > I have done basically the same test using Claire Martin and Carol Kidd Tracks. When I used a SB3 with an external upsampling DAC I thought that the 24/48 sounded better than the 16/44.1, however with the SB+ using its internal DACs I really cannot hear the difference. Of course with 24/48 the 192K upsampler is really operating in 192 kHz 4x oversampling mode. Not sure if this makes a difference or not. Patrick? -- adrianh1960 adrianh1960's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5421 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Phil Leigh;245868 Wrote: > Generally speaking Linn albums are superb examples of recording and > mastering. Won't disagree with you there, I'm very impressed with what I've heard so far. Phil Leigh;245868 Wrote: > I thought the SB3 couldn't handle 96Khz at all? Well mine sort of handles 96KHz, all be it very badly. On simple parts of the music it kind of plays OK but when it gets complex it stutters and sounds very distorted. However I'm using an SB+ (which I think is derrived from an SB3) but I guess it may use a different DAC. Phil Leigh;245868 Wrote: > It handles 88.2 by dropping alternate samples AFAIK... OK, maybe I'll try the experiment again using a track that was mastered at 88.2KHz -- Stoker --ian Stoker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8264 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Generally speaking Linn albums are superb examples of recording and mastering. I thought the SB3 couldn't handle 96Khz at all? It handles 88.2 by dropping alternate samples AFAIK... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
I downloaded a track (Something's Comming from Claire Martins Too Darn Hot album) from Linn at studio master quality and CD quality. I then converted the studio master version to a .wav file and loaded it into Cooledit Pro where I did a frequency analysis and found that the spectrum of the studio master file went upto around 40KHz. This being the case then the "just dropping every alternate sample" method of downsampling used by the SB3(*) would introduce aliasing (distortion). When I played the studio master 24/96 flac file on my SB+, it played but was noticably distorted - could have been the aliasing or something else. Using Cooledit pro I then downsampled the studio master wav file to 24/48 using its highest quality settings, saved it and flac encoded it. I then preceeded to compare the CD (16/44) quality flac with the downsampled (24/48) flac files using an SB+ -> Naim 102/Hicap pre amp -> Naim 140 power amp and Linn KanII speakers. Could I tell the difference? Well I'm not sure, there were probably some small differences but certainly nothing black and white, I'm sure I couldn't pick out one from the other in a blind test. In fact both versions sounded fantastic, the music seems to have been extremely well recorded and they certainly aren't mastered to be as loud as possible like lots of the current CD's are. (*) Is it a definate known that the SB3 just drops every alternate sample when presented with a 96KHz stream? Opinion's all with my ears and my system YMMV. -- Stoker --ian Stoker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8264 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Mr_Sukebe;244729 Wrote: > Doesn't downsampling them reduce absolute audio quality and kind of > defeat the point of them? One reason for recording at 96 or 88.2KHz is to make the anti-alias filters on the ADCs easier. You can design filters with a slower roll-off without risking aliasing of the sampled information. Subsequently downsampling to 48 or 44.1KHz using a well designed digital filter, won't then loose any information or reduce audio quality. The question is how much relevant audio information is really there - above 20KHz? -- Patrick Dixon www.at-tunes.co.uk Patrick Dixon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=90 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Stoker;244744 Wrote: > Downsampling does not reduce the bit depth, i.e. 24-bits remain 24-bits > so you will still benefit form the fact that the Linn files are 24-bit > and not 16-bit. > > Why not try an experiment by downloading a single track from Linn at CD > quality and Studio Master quality, and then downsample the master > quality version to 24/48 (or 24/44.1 depending on whether the origonal > master is 96 or 88.2) using foobar or some other tool. If you can tell > the difference buy the one you prefer else buy the cheapest! > > Some experiments I tried a while ago indicated, to my ears, that 24-bit > quantisation was more important than sampling rate. What I'm saying here > is that I couldn't tell the difference between 24/96 and 24/48 where as > I could tell the difference between 16/48 and 24/48. It wasn't a > massive difference though. Good call. Hardly as though it's an expensive test to run. I'll keep you posted. -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
adamslim;244666 Wrote: > Use Foobar to downsample them to 24/44.1 or 24/48 as appropriate rather > than relying on the SB to do it properly (it doesn't). > > I have a few and they sound fantastic, but I imagine that the CDs do > too - never compared them! > > Adam Adam - I know you believe this is the case, but have you actually compared Foobar downsampling vs on-the-fly downsampling via the SB3? I bet its really really really hard to hear a difference... Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Mr_Sukebe;244729 Wrote: > Doesn't downsampling them reduce absolute audio quality and kind of > defeat the point of them? Downsampling does not reduce the bit depth, i.e. 24-bits remain 24-bits so you will still benefit form the fact that the Linn files are 24-bit and not 16-bit. Why not try an experiment by downloading a single track from Linn at CD quality and Studio Master quality, and then downsample the master quality version to 24/48 (or 24/44.1 depending on whether the origonal master is 96 or 88.2) using foobar or some other tool. If you can tell the difference buy the one you prefer else buy the cheapest! Some experiments I tried a while ago indicated, to my ears, that 24-bit quantisation was more important than sampling rate. What I'm saying here is that I couldn't tell the difference between 24/96 and 24/48 where as I could tell the difference between 16/48 and 24/48. It wasn't a massive difference though. -- Stoker --ian Stoker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8264 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
adamslim;244666 Wrote: > Use Foobar to downsample them to 24/44.1 or 24/48 as appropriate rather > than relying on the SB to do it properly (it doesn't). > > I have a few and they sound fantastic, but I imagine that the CDs do > too - never compared them! > > Adam Doesn't downsampling them reduce absolute audio quality and kind of defeat the point of them? -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
Use Foobar to downsample them to 24/44.1 or 24/48 as appropriate rather than relying on the SB to do it properly (it doesn't). I have a few and they sound fantastic, but I imagine that the CDs do too - never compared them! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR V20, Heybrook Sextets plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
>Will these playback at full resolution on an SB3< Nope. Have a search for discussion about Linn and 88.2Khz files and 96Khz on the SB3 -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will Linn high resolution recordings play on an SB3?
I've just been looking at the Linn high-res website (here): http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-help-downloads-studio-master-quality-album-downloads.aspx Will these playback at full resolution on an SB3? -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40484 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
