Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
maggior;508598 Wrote: > I think it is the opposite. By having your mp3 library a subset of your > FLAC library, you are managing. How is that easier than just having a > mirror? A mirror could be mangaged by a daemon process. And why is it > that somedoby that does that have "too much time on their hands and too > much money"? Disc space is cheap, so having a complete mirror is not > expensive. > > Certainly the simplest case would be to just have a single copy of your > music files. No matter how you slice it, there is some management > imposed when you have a mirror in another format to manage, though it > could be automated in some fashion. +1. It would take way more time for me to decide which tracks I wanted to convert to MP3 than it does to just convert the whole thing, which dBpoweramp or flac2mp3.pl can do completely unattended. I have a hard enough time choosing what subset of my MP3 library I want to put on my portable players. Deciding in advance which ones I wanted to convert to MP3 would only add another step to process -- disk space and CPU cycles are much cheaper than my time. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
iPhone;508586 Wrote: > What is there to manage? One manages their FLAC library, the MP3s are > "only" the ones one wants on the portable device. Only somebody that has > to much time on their hands and to much money converts every FLAC file > to MP3. Only the songs one wants to listen to on the portable player > need be converted. If one loves only one song on a CD, why convert the > whole ripped FLAC CD to MP3, just convert the one song. > > Nothing needs compared, updated, or managed on the MP3 side once the > 'favorites' are converted to MP3. And if one uses Vortexbox to rip with, > one has both already anyway. > I think it is the opposite. By having your mp3 library a subset of your FLAC library, you are managing. How is that easier than just having a mirror? A mirror could be mangaged by a daemon process. And why is it that somedoby that does that have "too much time on their hands and too much money"? Disc space is cheap, so having a complete mirror is not expensive. Certainly the simplest case would be to just have a single copy of your music files. No matter how you slice it, there is some management imposed when you have a mirror in another format to manage, though it could be automated in some fashion. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 30,015 songs, 2,448 albums, 451 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508452 Wrote: > It already is multi-threaded on most platforms (not windows): > > --processes=nLaunch n parallel transcoding processes. > Use with multi-core CPUs. > Default: 1Thx, wasn't aware of this. -- audiomuze IF YOU WANT CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR CUSTOMSCAN AND CUSTOMBROWSE PLUGINS, VOTE FOR 'BUG #6023 - NEW PLUGIN HOOKS TO IMPLEMENT SCANNING FUNCTIONS' (HTTPS://BUGS.SLIMDEVICES.COM/SHOW_BUG.CGI?ID=6023) AND LET PLUGIN DEVELOPERS DO WHAT LOGITECH WON'T. '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508271 Wrote: > He said he didn't want to transcode. End of story. Transcoding itself > is easy, but it's a pain in the @ss just the same. You need to have a > FLAC library, keep it separate from the MP3 library, then devise > creative ways to manage, compare, and update each library. What is there to manage? One manages their FLAC library, the MP3s are "only" the ones one wants on the portable device. Only somebody that has to much time on their hands and to much money converts every FLAC file to MP3. Only the songs one wants to listen to on the portable player need be converted. If one loves only one song on a CD, why convert the whole ripped FLAC CD to MP3, just convert the one song. Nothing needs compared, updated, or managed on the MP3 side once the 'favorites' are converted to MP3. And if one uses Vortexbox to rip with, one has both already anyway. kphinney;508271 Wrote: > I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of the > residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to step > backward? Its not stepping backwards, what it is is not using over kill for the purpose at hand. Very few portable devices can even use the fidelity available from FLAC. Then on top of that, one is using headphones in a less then desirable environment. kphinney;508271 Wrote: > As for storing more tracks, you are obviously wrong, if he doesn't wish > to delete his FLAC library: FLAC alone < FLAC + MP3. Robin was talking about storing more files on the small portable device, doh! One can always get more total songs on a portable device using MP3 files versus FLAC files. And who cares about storage of two libraries in FLAC and MP3 when a 1.5TB USB drive is under $100 and internals at 2TB. Last but not least, from one of your prior posts in this thread, it appears you have an iPhone. Are you saying you don't have any tunes to listen to on your iPhone since it doesn't do FLAC? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: > On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: > > > Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer > > relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. > > > Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just > making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The > smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that > copying > to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks > (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). > > R. > > [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 Thanks for the script, I have used it on many occasions before. Generally speaking I just stopped seeing a point for lossy compression (my choice is usually ogg) with portable devices exploding in storage capacity. Today I have 20GB, 6 months from now I will probably have 38GB and so on... -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3 Sansa Clip Plus -> AKG K 420 Fedora Core Linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508276 Wrote: > BTW George, what OS are you running? I'm using Linux and I'm quite proficient at it, I do not have any issues with transcoding audio from one format to another, I just don't see a point in doing so. The original need for lossy compression was space and this goes away. I'm perfectly happy with 20GB storage in a portable player (circa 50 cd's). I listen to whole albums and copying/deleting the music that I want to listen to can not be easier. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3 Sansa Clip Plus -> AKG K 420 Fedora Core Linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 20/01/10 05:42, aubuti wrote: > > kphinney;508386 Wrote: >> How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever >> can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER >> that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. >> >> Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from >> Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does "audiophile" forum become "I know >> better than you and ignore your question" a good deal of the time? Generally, it's because so-called audiophiles come in here and ask the same questions that have been asked and discussed to death a millions times already. So, we often do know better than you. :p R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 20/01/10 05:01, audiomuze wrote: > > Robin Bowes;508337 Wrote: >> flac2mp3 does indeed make an mp3 copy of flac files, also copying the >> tags. It is intelligent enough to only transcode if the audio data has >> changed and can update tags without transcoding the audio. >> Robin, I've used flac2mp3 for a long time now and find it to be an > excellent tool (thanks for making it available). I generally treat mp3 > like one would disposable diapers - turf them when done rather than keep > a library lying around, so multi threaded encoding would be really handy > for generating new mp3. Any plans make it multi-threaded to speed up > the encoding process? It already is multi-threaded on most platforms (not windows): --processes=nLaunch n parallel transcoding processes. Use with multi-core CPUs. Default: 1 R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508386 Wrote: > How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever > can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER > that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. > > Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from > Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does "audiophile" forum become "I know > better than you and ignore your question" a good deal of the time? Come on now. You can see that people are simply answering the equally off-topic question/request that *you* posed, namely: kphinney;508320 Wrote: > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Meanwhile, the OP has gotten plenty of responses about players that support FLAC, Ogg, and MP3. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
How long is everyone going to ignore the OT? Yeah, flac2mp3-whatever can transcode just like a hundred other programs. The OP wants a PLAYER that plays FLAC, ogg, and mp3. Allow me to quote: > ...eliminate Apple products [from his choice of players] > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. Start another post on the benefits of mp3flac2-whatever from Robin-the-eternal-guest. Why does "audiophile" forum become "I know better than you and ignore your question" a good deal of the time? -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
audiomuze wrote: > Robin, I've used flac2mp3 for a long time now and find it to be an > excellent tool Yes, its a great tool, Thanks Robin > Any plans make it multi-threaded to speed up the encoding process? Well, why not dream of the moon: flac2mp3 should be setup to detect and use multiple cores. Nearly all serious desktops these days are quad, and even most "better than netbook" laptops are at least dual core. Soon, all desktops will be at least 8 cores. Most of the time, if you use a cron job to make the parallel mp3 tree, you don't care how long it takes. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508337 Wrote: > flac2mp3 does indeed make an mp3 copy of flac files, also copying the > tags. It is intelligent enough to only transcode if the audio data has > changed and can update tags without transcoding the audio. > Robin, I've used flac2mp3 for a long time now and find it to be an excellent tool (thanks for making it available). I generally treat mp3 like one would disposable diapers - turf them when done rather than keep a library lying around, so multi threaded encoding would be really handy for generating new mp3. Any plans make it multi-threaded to speed up the encoding process? -- audiomuze IF YOU WANT CONTINUED SUPPORT FOR CUSTOMSCAN AND CUSTOMBROWSE PLUGINS, VOTE FOR 'BUG #6023 - NEW PLUGIN HOOKS TO IMPLEMENT SCANNING FUNCTIONS' (HTTPS://BUGS.SLIMDEVICES.COM/SHOW_BUG.CGI?ID=6023) AND LET PLUGIN DEVELOPERS DO WHAT LOGITECH WON'T. '*last.fm*' (http://www.last.fm/user/audiomuze) audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 23:52, kphinney wrote: > > I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. See [1] :) flac2mp3 does indeed make an mp3 copy of flac files, also copying the tags. It is intelligent enough to only transcode if the audio data has changed and can update tags without transcoding the audio. As aubuti says, simply run a cron job nightly to automatically transcode any new flac files to mp3 and update any tag changes. It can't hurt - flac2mp3 is idempotent. R. [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508320 Wrote: > I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but > unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, > adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a > hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. Set up flac2mp3.pl to run periodically via cron or whatever the Scheduler-du-jour is in Windows. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
My bad. Thanks and apologies. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
I agree keeping 15% additional space isn't that big of a deal, but unless someone can point me to an automated method for transcoding, adding to, and organizing a separate library I think it's more of a hassle than it's worth. Much easier to use a FLAC native device. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > On 19/01/10 21:51, kphinney wrote: > > > > Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: > The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which > I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk > space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of > space. > > > kphinney;508307 Wrote: > > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 > > library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. > > 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. > > ... > > Looks like it just makes an MP3 copy of an existing FLAC, hence, more > > space used. > > Actually kphinney, you are missing the point. Re-read Robin's post. He wrote that a benefit of doing it your way (ie, having a FLAC-only library) is that it takes less space than having that FLAC library *plus* a MP3 copy of the library. You two are in vehement agreement on that point. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney wrote: > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 > library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. > 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. But its more like 1+1 = 1.4 And in these days of terabyte disks for under $100, a one time storage of two formats, or even three if you keep flac, MP3 and audio comppressed version, is not an issue. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > > The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which > I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk > space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of > space. > [color=blue] > You're still missing the point: If you have a FLAC library and an MP3 library it can only take more physical space than a FLAC only library. 1+1 = 2, not 1, not 0. Robin Bowes;508293 Wrote: > > See [1]. > > > I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of > > the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to > step > > backward? > > To take more music with you when you travel? I can fit my entire > library > on a 500GB drive in MP3 format, but it takes up much more space in FLAC > format. > [color=blue] True. But I'm content with having "only", say 1/6th of my library with me when I'm commuting to work. After all, it's not a 1872 hour commute. Even in Boston traffic 72 days may be a bit longer than average. I'll sacrifice 20 minutes a week updating my portable device with my FLAC files rather than transcoding each time I add an artist and spending time to manage two separate libraries. flac2mp3 works okay, but if I may quote your Read Me (this may be out of date as I haven't tried it recently, but it looks like it doesn't receive many updates.): > flac2mp3 is a perl script that will search for flac files within > a directory hierarchy and convert them all to mp3 format, creating a > matching directory structure in the process. Looks like it just makes an MP3 copy of an existing FLAC, hence, more space used. (Perhaps it would be more accurate to say it copies the files to a matching directory structure and then transcodes them as MP3s?) -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 21:51, kphinney wrote: > > Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: >> On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: >> >>> Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer >>> relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. >> >> >> Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just >> making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The >> smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that >> copying >> to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks >> (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). >> >> R. >> >> [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 > > He said he didn't want to transcode. End of story. It's a free country [2] so the OP can of course do whatever they see fit. I'm merely pointing out the drawbacks to that approach. You get: 1. less player choice, not as many players support flac vs. lossy formats 2. less music on the player - flac is bigger, so less tracks 3. longer time to copy to the device (because the files are bigger) 4. No discernable difference in audio quality - when listening on a train with headphones The only benefit seems to be that you don't have to transcode, which I've already pointed out is easy [1]. Oh, and you save a bit on disk space since the mp3 copy of your library takes up a certain amount of space. > Transcoding itself > is easy, but it's a pain in the @ss just the same. You need to have a > FLAC library, keep it separate from the MP3 library, then devise > creative ways to manage, compare, and update each library. See [1]. > I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of > the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to step > backward? To take more music with you when you travel? I can fit my entire library on a 500GB drive in MP3 format, but it takes up much more space in FLAC format. > As for storing more tracks, you are obviously wrong, if he doesn't wish > to delete his FLAC library: FLAC alone < FLAC + MP3. Obviously, I meant you can store many more tracks on the portable device. R. [2] My country = UK. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
The Clip+ is the first memory player I have ever bought, for much the same reasons as the OP. While it might be overkill, quality wise, for most situations, there are those situations where the extra quality can be apreciated, such as in a quiet hotel room, or hooked up through an aux connection in a parked car. The 8gb model can hold almost 8 hours of FLAC files, and adding 16 more hours, via a 16gb microsd card, could not be easier. I find that sufficient. While transcoding might be easy, its even easier to drag and drop files that already exist. While some find tagging and transcoding easy, others of us are not quite so adept. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
matka;504243 Wrote: > I have a relatively long train commute to work and would like to > optimize the use of that time by listening to music at the best possible > fidelity. I'm looking for an advice for a portable player with the best > possible audio quality, however, besides audio quality, I do have some > other requirements that eliminate Apple products. > > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. > > Recommendations are appreciated. BTW George, what OS are you running? -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;508260 Wrote: > On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: > > > Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer > > relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. > > > Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just > making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The > smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that > copying > to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks > (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). > > R. > > [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 He said he didn't want to transcode. End of story. Transcoding itself is easy, but it's a pain in the @ss just the same. You need to have a FLAC library, keep it separate from the MP3 library, then devise creative ways to manage, compare, and update each library. I travel with FLAC, I sync with FLAC, and I'm slowly getting grid of the residual mp3s left from the early days. Why would one want to step backward? As for storing more tracks, you are obviously wrong, if he doesn't wish to delete his FLAC library: FLAC alone < FLAC + MP3. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 19/01/10 21:16, matka wrote: > Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer > relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. Really, flac for your stated use case is total overkill. You're just making your life harder for zero benefit. Transcoding is easy [1]. The smaller file sizes of even high bit-rate lossy format means that copying to the device takes less time, and you can store many more tracks (typically, 8-10x the number of flacs). R. [1] http://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
iPhone;507812 Wrote: > Having trouble understanding some of the things you said/require. > > Your on a train, if your not using high end accurate head/earphones > what does it matter what the fidelity of the audio is? If its small > speakers on a train, nobody can tell the difference between 192Kbps and > FLAC under those conditions. Why waste the hard drive space? > > So in my mind to keep power requirements down, then high quality > head/earphones is the only thing that makes sense on a train and in most > "mobile" situations. > > I would look at 'HeadRoom' > (http://www.headphone.com/packages/portable-packages.php) for some ideas > for good mobile fidelity. Also why are Apple products just out right > eliminated? Older players can have RockBox put on them and one can play > FLAC on an 160GB iPod, very portable, plenty of tunes, fair audio > quality. > > I use an iPhone for personal mobile use. Almost all of my music is > ripped to FLAC. I convert what I want on the iPhone to 256 or 320Kbps > MP3. Would having a FLAC player make listening better, I don't think so. > Mobile listening has too many challenges to approach how I listen to > FLAC at home. One positive advantage would be no more file converting if > I was using a FLAC mobile device, but again I don't think I would notice > any difference between 320 MP3 verses FLAC on a train. I used wrong title for this post, should not use audiophile. I wanted an advice from people who care about sound to get the best possible advice under the circumstances. Why flac ? - very simple, the sound quality question is no longer relevant and also all my music is in flac. I don't want to transcode. Why no Apple ? - Once they support majority of available codecs and plain jane usb mass storage then I will gladly give them my $ even if the products are slightly overpriced. To pay top $ and then reflash when there are alternatives just does not make any sense. I rather support slimdevices way of thinking. Sound quality between flac and high quality ogg on a train ? I tried and did not find any, environment and headphones are probably not up to it. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius 2 Duets, 1 Boom, 1 SB3 Sansa Clip Plus -> AKG K 420 Fedora Core Linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
HiFiMan HM-801 was the new audiophile player of choice as of last summer, which includes both a nice DAC and a headphone amp. I would have jumped on that, except for the fact that it doesn't come with any memory at all, and relies on chips of 32GB max. http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f87/updated-hifiman-hm-801-portable-music-player-preorder-424053/ SDXC chips were supposed to be in production last year, but they seem to be behind schedule. They're going to start with 64GB and supposedly could potentially go to 2TB, who knows when. As soon as players and chips get to that point with an affordable price, then I'll be interested. -- Fastnbulbous Fastnbulbous's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31235 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
George, have you looked into this: http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Sony-MZM200-HiMD-Recorder?sku=244773&src=3WFRWXX&ZYXSEM=0&CAWELAID=31497537 I can't recommend it high enough. MZ-M200 Hi-MD Recording Modes: Linear PCM (44.1kHz 16-bit) - Uncompressed - 94 Min. ATRAC3plus (256 kbps) - Compressed - Up to 8 hrs ATRAC3plus (64kbps) - Compressed - Up to 34 hrs -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
> There are couple of annoyances tough: > > - does not recognize flac tags (comments) > - does not play flac gapless > > I will keep it for a week or 2 and then decide if this shortcomings > (and any other ones) will make me return the device for Sansa Clip. Just a follow up. I have returned Archos Vision 3 back to the store once it become apparent that it does not sort files in the file name sequence, had to use "fatsort" to sort FAT allocation table... Instead I've got Sansa Clip plus - this player is almost everything that I wanted. The only complain so far is the "almost" gapless flac, there is a small break between tracks. Thanks for the recommendations. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Fedora Core linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
True. I haven't tried Aps and doubt Apple would allow anything but iTunes to handle that. Although, it's been over a year since I used iTunes and I manage my aps with the App Store built into the Phone. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508088 Wrote: > I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to > iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are > a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. As of Songbird 1.4.2, it still does not support iPhone or iTouch according to the web (December 22, 2009). And I am sure one can't get the current iPhone OS update with Songbird or update apps or download or buy apps. Why do I want yet another program to use with my iPhone when I can just use iTunes that I already have. I don't use iTunes for anything else so just using it until there is a total replacement program for iTunes that will do everything. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
cliveb wrote: > As iPhone said, you're listening on a train. I guess it all depends on > how noisy the trains are in your neck of the woods, but if they're > anything like the trains I use then worrying about the fidelity of the > files is the least of your problems. > > Even using ear canal phones (I use Shure e2c), the background noise is > sufficiently high on a train that in order to hear the quiet parts you > need to turn the volume up so high that the loud parts are far too loud. > (I have the same issue with listening in the car). The solution to this > problem is to use a device with a playback AGC Alternative solution is to apply audio compression to the files before you load them onto the portable player. I've had CD players with audio compression for nearly two decades. You can't hear the dymanic range of a CD, so you might as well call up a compressor and reduce the range. Then you can hear the soft parts without the loud ones damaging your ears. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
kphinney;508088 Wrote: > I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to > iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are > a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. but don't forget about synching things other than music, like various apps (maybe songbird does this too, don't know). I too use itunes for my ipod/iphone synching but otherwise use SbS or foobar for music management. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
iPhone;508080 Wrote: > ...The only reason I use it [iTunes] is that I am forced to use it with > my iPhone... I don't want to go off topic, but you do have many alternatives to iTunes that include syncing your iPhone. Check out Songbird. There are a few posts here that mention other alternatives as well. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
sebp;507884 Wrote: > Some people don't like iTunes, and don't want to even hear about it. > That's what I'm trying to teach my Mac every time it tries to update, > but it's still not clear to it, even if I run the class for 2 years > now. > > Why? > - iTunes has zero added value to me: it just doesn't support FLAC > - I just can't install any software on most Windows machines I use when > I'm away from home > - Apple got enough money from me, already Well as I have stated several times on this Forum, I HATE iTUNES! The only reason I use it is that I am forced to use it with my iPhone. I never owned an iPod and iTunes might have been part of that reason. I needed/wanted the features only the iPhone had when it came out. And iTunes was required to be able to use it. Having said all that, one also gets the huge advantage of iPeng if one buys an iPhone or iTouch. The only time I use iTunes on my Mac Mini is when I pull down apps or updates or for loading different songs on my iPhone. My FLAC library is safe on another drive and iTunes doesn't do FLAC so they will stay safe. I use dBPowerAmp to convert the songs I want to go on the iPhone to MP3 from my FLAC library. So in certain cases, I feel that there is a point in which iTunes becomes a lesser evil when there are advantages to using an iPhone or iTouch for portable music. Also the iPhone gets me down to one device from carrying 4 (Cell phone, MP3 Player, Blackberry text pager, laptop/netbook web browser). -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
As iPhone said, you're listening on a train. I guess it all depends on how noisy the trains are in your neck of the woods, but if they're anything like the trains I use then worrying about the fidelity of the files is the least of your problems. Even using ear canal phones (I use Shure e2c), the background noise is sufficiently high on a train that in order to hear the quiet parts you need to turn the volume up so high that the loud parts are far too loud. (I have the same issue with listening in the car). The solution to this problem is to use a device with a playback AGC (ie. that can gain-ride the playback level). Sure, it trashes the natural dynamics of the music, but I find that preferable to being unable to hear half of it. As far as I am aware, only two players have ever offered such a facility: the Rio Karma, and its offspring the Trekstor Vibez. Both products are now unavailable, of course, unless you can find a secondhand one. I still use my Karma when travelling. -- cliveb Transporter -> ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Assuming you'd rather not cary a bunch of CDs with a good CD player (old school already??) around you may want to consider a MiniDisk player. The newer Hi-MD players support uncompressed linear PCM and SONY's ATRAC3plus and ATRAC Advanced Lossless Technology is a big step above where they were a few years back. I have a lot of my vinyl on MD and it sounds as good as the original. -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Some people don't like iTunes, and don't want to even hear about it. That's what I'm trying to teach my Mac every time it tries to update, but it's still not clear to it, even if I run the class for 2 years now. Why? - iTunes has zero added value to me: it just doesn't support FLAC - I just can't install any software on most Windows machines I use when I'm away from home - Apple got enough money from me, already -- sebp Transporter, SB Classic, SB Receiver, SB Boom, SB Radio, SB Touch, 2 SB Controllers Will soon need a bigger home - 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
+1 But the circular arguments are intriguing. Probably a problem with the god's against Steve and iPod /iPhone. You also get iPeng for controlling your Flac files. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Having trouble understanding some of the things you said/require. Your on a train, if your not using high end accurate head/earphones what does it matter what the fidelity of the audio is? If its small speakers on a train, nobody can tell the difference between 192Kbps and FLAC under those conditions. Why waste the hard drive space? So in my mind to keep power requirements down, then high quality head/earphones is the only thing that makes sense on a train and in most "mobile" situations. I would look at 'HeadRoom' (http://www.headphone.com/packages/portable-packages.php) for some ideas for good mobile fidelity. Also why are Apple products just out right eliminated? Older players can have RockBox put on them and one can play FLAC on an 160GB iPod, very portable, plenty of tunes, fair audio quality. I use an iPhone for personal mobile use. Almost all of my music is ripped to FLAC. I convert what I want on the iPhone to 256 or 320Kbps MP3. Would having a FLAC player make listening better, I don't think so. Mobile listening has too many challenges to approach how I listen to FLAC at home. One positive advantage would be no more file converting if I was using a FLAC mobile device, but again I don't think I would notice any difference between 320 MP3 verses FLAC on a train. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Cowon S9 is pretty expensive, only uses a built-in memory chip so there's no way to change memory cards, comes bundled with shitty ear buds, but it's a really fantastic music player. -- sebp Transporter, SB Classic, SB Receiver, SB Boom, SB Radio, SB Touch, 2 SB Controllers Will soon need a bigger home - 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
the variables that really matter for you in sound reproduction are d/a conversion, amplification and speakers (or in this case headphones). If you are only paying £50 for these with the Sansa, then the bit rate of your recording will be irrelevant to you. If you have spent more than £5,000 on home equipment you may just be able to differentiate between a lossless file and a 320kbps file. You will not be able to differentiate between bit rates above 192kbps on the move. So don't sweat it and buy an ipod with a decent pair of in-ear earphones like the Shure SE310's. Review here. http://www.stereophile.com/headphones/shure_se310_in-ear_headphones/# -- NigelD NigelD's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16888 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Grahame;504371 Wrote: > Yes, passes the DSoTM Test :) After yours and few other recommendations I went to the local store to pickup 2GB Sansa Clip+ and micro SD... and against better judgement picked up Archos Vision 3... Why ? 8GB Archos was only circa $35 more than Sansa but it plays avi on a 3 inch screen. Video looks quite well. It plays flac and ogg, it is a simple usb device with transfer rates of about 4MB/s. As far as I can tell sound reproduction is fine. There are couple of annoyances tough: - does not recognize flac tags (comments) - does not play flac gapless I will keep it for a week or 2 and then decide if this shortcomings (and any other ones) will make me return the device for Sansa Clip. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Fedora Core linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
I got the 8gb Clip+ recently. Out of the box I could drag and drop my FLAC files directly. I don't do mp3. Could not have been easier. For in depth answers see http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=119 -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
I have an older SanDisk Sansa model (e260), which plays FLAC after reflashing the firmware with Rockbox (www.rockbox.org). This is something that SanDisk actually supports, unlike many manufacturers. I have been happy with it, and I suspect the Sansa Clip is as good or better. Rockbox works on a lot of players, so even if a player you like doesn't support FLAC or Ogg out of the box, it may be possible to reflash the firmware with Rockbox. If you plan to load your portable with FLAC you may want to consider a hard drive based player instead of a flash player. If you get an 8GB Sansa Clip and add an 8GB SDHC card (8GB being the current sweetspot for price/capacity of micro-SDHC cards), that's 16GB, or about 40-50 CDs. That may be fine for you, but you may find it limiting, and get tired of not having that CD you want to listen to just then. Or tired of swapping files on and off the device. Of course, carrying multiple SDHC cards and swapping them in and out is another possibility. That said, if you go for a hard drive player the battery usually runs down a lot faster with FLAC than with MP3. Whether it is more constant drive access or more CPU cycles to decode I don't know, but that's what I've generally seen reported. Personally I don't imagine I'd ever put FLACs on a portable player because I doubt I could tell the difference between lossless and high bitrate MP3 in a noisy environment like a plane, train, etc. If you want to have a chance of hearing the difference definitely get some good noise isolation earphones like the ER4. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
matka;504344 Wrote: > Great info Grahame, thanks. Is the playback gapless ? Yes, passes the DSoTM Test :) -- Grahame Grahame's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Grahame;504330 Wrote: > Sansa Clip+ - Non Apple > http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clipplus-mp3-player-.aspx > Plays ogg, mp3 + flac out the box. > Built in FM radio. > Removable / Swappable micro SDHC cards gives lots of effective storage. > > USB mass storage mode = just drag + drop from your SqueezeCenter > library > Very good sound quality - esp with decent flacs. > Very Portable. > I like Mine :) > For portable use, in ear / canalphones will provide needed isolation, > so you don't have to play it so loud. > I started off with Ety 4's http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.aspx > The logitech people would point you at Ultimate Ears UE > Their original Designer Jerry Harvey now has his own company JH Audio > http://www.jhaudio.com/promusic/ > I've treated myself to JH-13's having auditioned them on several > occasions, > and don't regret the decision :) Other people who's judgment I trust > have reached a similar conclusion. > Let me know if you want more info. Great info Graham, thanks. Is the playback gapless ? -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Fedora Core linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Sansa Clip+ - Non Apple http://www.sandisk.com/products/sansa-music-and-video-players/sandisk-sansa-clipplus-mp3-player-.aspx Plays ogg, mp3 + flac out the box. Built in FM radio. Removable / Swappable micro SDHC cards gives lots of effective storage. USB mass storage mode = just drag + drop from your SqueezeCenter library Very good sound quality - esp with decent flacs. Very Portable. I like Mine :) For portable use, in ear / canalphones will provide needed isolation, so you don't have to play it so loud. I started off with Ety 4's http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er4.aspx The logitech people would point you at Ultimate Ears UE Their original Designer Jerry Harvey now has his own company JH Audio http://www.jhaudio.com/promusic/ I've treated myself to JH-13's having auditioned them on several occasions, and don't regret the decision :) Other people who's judgment I trust have reached a similar conclusion. Let me know if you want more info. -- Grahame Grahame's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1200 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
Robin Bowes;504251 Wrote: > On 08/01/10 16:47, matka wrote:[color=blue] > Well, overlooking the fact that you're probably not going to be able > to > listen in anything like optimum conditions on a train, how about > something like a netbook with a headphone output running your OS & > audio > player of choice? > > R. Laptop is not a starter for me - startup time,to bulky, even with the dell netbook that I have. Train. Of course it is not optimal, also headphones will not be optimal, but still I'm looking for better audio quality. -- matka George Transporter->Pathos Logos->Triangle Celius Fedora Core linux matka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
matka;504243 Wrote: > I have a relatively long train commute to work and would like to > optimize the use of that time by listening to music at the best possible > fidelity. I'm looking for an advice for a portable player with the best > possible audio quality, however, besides audio quality, I do have some > other requirements that eliminate Apple products. > > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. > > Recommendations are appreciated. Cowon and Sandisk both play flac. I believe Cowon gets better ratings on sound quality, but Sandisk's are supposed to be decent, and significantly cheaper. -- fphredd fphredd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73717 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile portable player - with some conditions
On 08/01/10 16:47, matka wrote: > > I have a relatively long train commute to work and would like to > optimize the use of that time by listening to music at the best possible > fidelity. I'm looking for an advice for a portable player with the best > possible audio quality, however, besides audio quality, I do have some > other requirements that eliminate Apple products. > > - beside mp3, it must play ogg and flac > - simple usb mass storage interface without "music management" > software. Think files and directories. > > Recommendations are appreciated. Well, overlooking the fact that you're probably not going to be able to listen in anything like optimum conditions on a train, how about something like a netbook with a headphone output running your OS & audio player of choice? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
