Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;372865 Wrote: > Now to see if some company comes out with an "audiophile" grade switch > that sells for a zillion dollars and delivers heavenly sound because of > the unobtanium used in it. > On a more serious note, it is perhaps worthwhile to take a closer look > at different types and quality of switches on the market. Maybe someone > on the forum with technical expertise may look at the possible reasons > for switches affecting sound quality, could it be the topology or chips > etc? Well, there IS an electrical connexion between the switch and the SB/TP. One probably needs proper equipment to measure any differences (and to know what he's looking for). ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Now to see if some company comes out with an "audiophile" grade switch that sells for a zillion dollars and delivers heavenly sound because of the unobtanium used in it. On a more serious note, it is perhaps worthwhile to take a closer look at different types and quality of switches on the market. Maybe someone on the forum with technical expertise may look at the possible reasons for switches affecting sound quality, could it be the topology or chips etc? -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;372229 Wrote: > Whatever was causing the sound quality drop seems to have been solved by > the replacement of the switch. I have swapped the switches around to > ensure that the differences I've heard are audible and I have to > conclude that the switch is affecting the sound - no idea why Nice to see your problem was solved. Understanding why is not necessarily important (for a switch, I mean). ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
seanadams;366757 Wrote: > Would a static IP make it sound better? Maybe a different DNS server. -- rainjacks rainjacks's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
seanadams;366757 Wrote: > Would a static IP make it sound better? Of course it will, also make sure you're using an audiophile DHCP server. -- Uluen SYSTEM: MUSIC -> EARS http://www.last.fm/user/Uluen Uluen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Whatever was causing the sound quality drop seems to have been solved by the replacement of the switch. I have swapped the switches around to ensure that the differences I've heard are audible and I have to conclude that the switch is affecting the sound - no idea why -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;371844 Wrote: > It is possible that the original switch was introducing noise or > artefacts into the data stream. Might even be the wall-wart switch mode > power supply because the one supplied with the Linksys is certainly more > substantial in build. > Thanks for all the suggestions from list members short answer as everyone else has said before in this thread, NO Long answer: TCP data streams have have error checks, so in order for noise to introduce an artifact WITHOUT causing an error it would have to change the data and checksum so that it still passes. EXTREMELY unlikely to happen from noise. So unlikely that many will tell you it is impossible. Now you might think well maybe it was causing errors to happen. If this was the case the problem you would see is sound dropouts and/or the squeezebox disconnecting from the server. You would NOT get subtle audio changes in the sound. Now then it is still not out of the question that maybe the PSU on the switch was introducing noise elsewhere that effected your amp or squeezebox, however you said in your tests that you left it powered on. So that pretty much invalidates that theory. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
It is possible that the original switch was introducing noise or artefacts into the data stream. Might even be the wall-wart switch mode power supply because the one supplied with the Linksys is certainly more substantial in build. Thanks for all the suggestions from list members -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
So there must be something very wrong with your original switch, if your new router sounds significantly better. Regarding WAV sounding better than FLAC, this has been discussed before. The only explanation that is plausible is that when the SB3 natively decodes the FLAC, the act itself causes some change in the device's electrical properties that affects sound quality somewhere in your audio chain. Certainly possible, and some swear that it is true, but others cannot distinguish any difference. Personally, I'm skeptical, unless someone can reliably distinguish the difference blind. But if you prefer to transcode to WAV, good for you. No worries. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Ok...this is what I have found with a couple of changes 1. Changed crossover to straight thru cable on router. No difference in sound quality. I need crossover when connecting direct from NAS to SB anyway, so not musch choice if I choose to go direct 2. Changed to Linksys Etherfast router. Very noticeable difference. Same as going direct! Perhaps direct may be a tad better but I'm probably imagining it. 3. Changed decoding from flac > flac to flac > wav. There is a real improvement as well in my opioion. More analogue sounding especially in vocals and bass 4. Changed my amp to a Pioneer GClef A9. This amp is way better than my current Cambridge in resolving inner detail and soundstage. Improved sound quality quite a bit 5. Tried a Behringer SRC2496 using Belden 1694 75ohm coax as digital s/dif cable. Resampling at 88.2. I found no difference in 44.1 and 96 sounded edgy flac > flac - not real good. flac > wav huge difference in sound quality. Sticking to flac > wav and 88.2 -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Just got hold of a Linksys Etherfast wired-only router to compare against my other switch. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
davidjames;369260 Wrote: > ... > Are you saying when I performed the same test using a joke I wrote in > MS Word it wasn't funnier with the better switch? > > Damn. not only that Sir, but if you zip/unzip said word document in the process, you joke will loose all its fun, it will become a lament actually :) K -- slimkid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wUP07DVq9E http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 ATGATT: Because walking away in disgust beats riding away in an ambulance. slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Malor;369088 Wrote: > I don't know about the other claims, but I can absolutely > guaran-damn-tee you that there will be no subtle differences in sound > quality from your network connection. It's packetized data with error > correction. Either it delivers correct bits fast enough or it doesn't. > If you get failures, they will be extremely obvious. If it's not > obviously failing, it's not failing -at all-.Wait a minute, are you saying > when I tested viewing digital pictures via different switches I was imagining things when one of them had more vibrant colors, sharper lines and deeper hues? Are you saying when I performed the same test using a joke I wrote in MS Word it wasn't funnier with the better switch? Damn. -- davidjames Discuss Quality Audio/Home Theater: http://www.budgetavtalk.com Blogging Soccer/Audio/Home Theater: http://blogs.netlowdown.com davidjames's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19208 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Malor wrote: > I don't know about the other claims, but I can absolutely > guaran-damn-tee you that there will be no subtle differences in sound > quality from your network connection. Hey, this is audiophiles. Cables make a difference. You need to test both solid strand and stranded CAT5 cable. Double blind. etc. Only then can you test hubs vs switches vs routers -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
> Hi Robin > I don't think that I am imagining it. I did read somewhere that the > quality of the switch does effect overall audio performance due to > inadequate transfer speeds or similar delays. > I have listened to both combinations and there is definitely better > audio playback when connected directly just to the NAS > Reply With Quote I don't know about the other claims, but I can absolutely guaran-damn-tee you that there will be no subtle differences in sound quality from your network connection. It's packetized data with error correction. Either it delivers correct bits fast enough or it doesn't. If you get failures, they will be extremely obvious. If it's not obviously failing, it's not failing -at all-. I suppose there's some very vague chance of poor grounding in the switch or something. That strikes me as damn unlikely, but you could try wireless to see if there's any difference. The chances are enormously higher, though, that you're just convincing yourself there's a difference when there isn't. The other changes are a bit more plausible, since they're more directly connected to the output circuits, but remember that blind testing is the only way to know for sure. "Sighted" testing, where you know which signal is which, is simply unreliable for audio. -- Malor Malor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
mswlogo;366988 Wrote: > Sure you are entitled to your opinion/observation. But if the generally > well informed public believes its nonsense it will be challenged. Not > out of disrespect. If it's not (i.e. folks just ignore it) then not so > well informed people will read it and believe it (seeing it not be > challenged). And do some really unnecessary silly things which can > actually compromise overall ease of use, expense, enjoyment etc. Like > managing a library of wavs instead of flacs which is insane (IMHO). > > And most people that truly want to get the most out of their system > should be open minded to being challenged and consider it constructive > information. > > I certainly would even though it's sometimes difficult to swallow. I mean even *IF* there is a difference, I'll bet moving a single speaker by a millimeter will make a 10x as large difference. This is we go nuts about stupid stuff when we completely don't bother fixing the things that make a huge difference in our systems. Sometimes its all about a peace of mind in audiophilia and people will pay $1000s to have that feeling. We are killing the enjoyment of music (the purported reason for all of this in the first place) with all this obsessiveness over little things. Yet if someone prefers a certain much harder way of doing things in the name of sound, then let them be. I just hope that some new person understands what is really on. These audiophile forums can ruin the frame of mind of a newbie in this hobby. It's all about the music and that message should always be at the forefront. -- sxr71 sxr71's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
All cables are unshielded cat 5. The SB3 is powered by a Regulated linear power supply set to 5 volts. All other units run off their own power packs. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;368410 Wrote: > Sorry I though the post was reasonably clear > No it sounds better with the switch OFF, the only con was a slight drop > in level but less sibilance in voices, better bass, depth and soundstage > but a liitle loss in perceived dynamics, which could be due to less > brighness(sibilance) > Swithched ON, it was noticeably less good Hi, earlier in the thread you said that you would use unshielded network cabling - have you already done this, i.e. is there only unshielded network cabling in use with the switch? Also, did you mention if the switch and/or SB3 are plugged into a power conditioner? -- NewBuyer NewBuyer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7862 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Sorry I though the post was reasonably clear No it sounds better with the switch OFF, the only con was a slight drop in level but less sibilance in voices, better bass, depth and soundstage but a liitle loss in perceived dynamics, which could be due to less brighness(sibilance) Swithched ON, it was noticeably less good -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;368381 Wrote: > Hi NIck, > > Done the listening test by playing with switch connected and then > pulling the power from it and allowing buffered music to play. > All playback equipment has been playing for at least 2 hours before > test to ensure adequate warm-up time. > > With power OFF to the switch there was a slight drop in volume level, > there was less sibilance in the vocals, smoother/richer bass and better > sound stage. Cons: a little loss in perceived dynamics > > With power ON, sibilance in vocals returned, flatter depth and less > good soundstage. > > This test was repeated several times with different tracks over the > past two days. Each time, similar differences were noted Are you sure you didn't state that backwards (based on your orginal observation). Now you are saying it sounds BETTER with the switch hooked up (powered on). It was a good idea unplugging it and letting it run off buffer. Try unplugging network cable from SB3/Transporter instead :) Eliminate that huge antenna hanging out the back. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Hi NIck, Done the listening test by playing with switch connected and then pulling the power from it and allowing buffered music to play. All playback equipment has been playing for at least 2 hours before test to ensure adequate warm-up time. With power OFF to the switch there was a slight drop in volume level, there was less sibilance in the vocals, smoother/richer bass and better sound stage. Cons: a little loss in perceived dynamics With power ON, sibilance in vocals returned, flatter depth and less good soundstage. This test was repeated several times with different tracks over the past two days. Each time, similar differences were noted -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
No, the best way to test this is as follows: connect everything with the switch in between and start playing a track where you could hear the difference before. When the track is halfway, power-off the switch by pulling the power-plug/adapter from AC outlet. Do -not- pull anything else like ethernet-cables etc. The SB will continue playing because there's still data in the buffer, but the switch is killed and not radiating anything. If you hear a difference, you need a better switch, or plug it in further away or using a different outlet. If you do not hear a difference, you could pull the ethernet-plug from the switch and listen for difference. You would need really big EMI if you hear a difference at this stage and it would not be the switch but something else, outside your audio/network-system. I would try different ethernet cables at that point, unshielded, because you use an extra one with the switch which may be bad (or both bad with just one connected better than both connected; unshielded to prevent ground-loops that shouldn't be there but who knows. good luck, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18104 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
jeffmeh;367638 Wrote: > If the switch is causing noise on your power lines, you could try > direct-connect to the NAS Hi Jeffmeh, That's what I've been doing, direct connection, leaving the switch connected to network and IMHO direct sounds better each and every time, hence my posts regarding differences in sound quality. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
If the switch is causing noise on your power lines, you could try direct-connect to the NAS, but leave the switch plugged in where you normally keep it. If you still think the direct-connect sounds better, then you can probably rule out the hypothesis that the switch is introducing noise on the power lines. If the switch is introducing noise to the SB3 across the ethernet cable, you could either try wireless or try a different cable. In any case, the only hypothesis that does not violate the laws of physics is that the switch is introducing noise somewhere. If the network packets are getting there in time to keep the SB3's buffer from emptying, it is EXACTLY the same as direct-connect, and the timing does not matter. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I intend to use another router/switch of higher quality to determine if that is causing the deterioration in sound quality. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Hi maxrob200! Sounds strange with direct access vs Router, But who knows? I hear a difference between Slimserver Firmwares,Router wireless channels, Flac VS WAVE.. This is Pretty weird to.. But i Believe "All this" has to do with EMI Anyway maybe this thread interests you? http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503&highlight=digital+bugg Regards. /Mats :-) -- omega omega's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;366954 Wrote: > > As mentioned earlier, it was not so long ago that the general belief > was that all cables sounded the same That's not a belief, it's a fact* - and that fact hasn't changed at all, recently or otherwise. > or all that an amplifier had to do was demonstrate " straight wire with > gain" "Straight wire with gain" is the ideal for an amp. I've never heard anyone dispute that, and I can't imagine why they would. Modern SS amps come pretty close - close enough that the differences between them are generally inaudible. *Within reason, obviously - 50 feet of 24 gauge lamp cord will be perceptibly lower in volume when used as speaker cable than 1 foot of garden hose cable - but even then there's little or no evidence the difference is perceptible after volume matching. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I agree there is plenty we don't understand which is why I leave some room for doubt always. And in general, I agree with the scientific method whilst noting that over time science evolves, with the odd revolution now and then, indicating that scientists at any given time don't have it all right! However, I believe that what is heard can be influenced by mental factors quite easily. Whilst such a straightforward explanation hasn't been ruled out, a tricky discussion over other possible explanations is premature. BTW I wouldn't say you are "imagining" anything...any more than anyone hearing anything "imagines" it. Hearing isn't a physical object, it's a mental process. The question is the cause of what you're hearing, not whether you're "hearing" it or not! Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Robin Bowes;366978 Wrote: > > (2) is just not possible. Let me attempt an analogy. > > You, Sean, and myself are all sitting at a table with our laptops. They > > are not connected in anyway. > > I have an image file I want to send to you. > > Consider these two scenarios: > > 1. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to > you. > You read the file from the key and view it on your computer. > > 2. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to > Sean > who then slides it to you. You read the file from the key and view it > on > your computer. > > Do you think your computer will process the image file any differently > > in scenario (2) than it will in scenario (1)? Would you expect the > image > file to look any different in scenario (2) than it will in scenario > (1)? > > I am Squeezecenter. > You are a Squeezebox. > Sean is a switch. > > R. Let me give you another example: The image is received correctly but the screen has interference and shows this image distorted when your system is connected to a switch. The OT doesn't say that the file is not received correctly through a switch, he claims that the sound coming out of his speakers is slightly different. Not probable, but nevertheless possible. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
tomjtx;366943 Wrote: > That sounds dangerously like tolerance and has absolutely no place on an > audiophile forum.Tolerance is also a necessary ingredient of electronics. ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I too am eager to find out about the reasons for the sound difference hence my original post in this forum to see if other members have had similar experience -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
things happen for many reasons in audio when people hear differences. listening to music with a switch may sound different simply because the power supply of said switch is horrible and introduces noise everywhere else. i had a friend who preferred the sound of loudspeakers that surprised me. found out one of his speakers had the polarity inverted when he was doing his listening test. i do not discount anyone's listening story in these forums, i just sometimes wonder about the reasons why those effects emerge. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: 3.3 GHz Intel E8600 Core 2 Duo Vista Ultimate 64 Sources: SB3 (4), SB Boom (2), Duet, Accuphase DP65v Amplification: Accuphase E306v Loudspeakers: Tuned and self-built Ceeroy 3 way Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
At the risk of being told again that I am imagining the differences, I have listened to switched and non-switched playback with a variety of music and as much as I would like to bow to general opinion, I can still hear differences in these areas: less sibilance in vocals, smoother sound, more space/soundstage, better bass and to coin a much abused term - better sense of PRAT (pace, rhythm and timing) Files are FLAC (-5). I am using an el-cheapo router/switch(ASUS RX-3041 $30) and will try a more upmarket unit to see if the differences that I hear currently is a factor of the unit. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Some generic thoughts, NOT directed at anyone or anything in this thread- Many of the smartest people I have known have been far more aware of what they didn't know, than of what they did know. Many of the dumbest people I have known have been incredibly stubborn, and too slow to realize when they are wrong. Also, dismissive of other people's ideas. A bad combination. The challenge is to find the balance! -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I agree that open mindedness is important. Sometimes though in the face of "generally accepted" conclusions, some idea or experience comes along that can cause incredulous reactions and start an alternative way of thinking or experimentation. I have never dismissed opinions or discussions as "pooh pooh" however incredulous it may sound at first. There has been a whole host of "incredulous" ideas over the years and many have now become accepted facts of audiophilia. To set our thoughts or conclusions in concrete would stunt creativity and isn't vision and creativity the marrow of our passions, in this case - good music playback. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;366954 Wrote: > > > It is interesting to note that by posting an opinion that I have now > been relegated to the "imagining things" category. As mentioned > earlier, it was not so long ago that the general belief was that all > cables sounded the same or all that an amplifier had to do was > demonstrate " straight wire with gain", so why not differences in the > digital domain due to unforseen variables. > > Sure you are entitle to your opinion. But if the generally well informed public believes it's nonsense it will be challenged. Not out of disrespect. If it's not (i.e. folks just ignore it) then not so well informed people will read it and believe it (seeing it not be challenged). And do some really unecessary silly things which can actually compromise overall ease of use, expense, enjoyment etc. Like managing a library of wavs instead of flacs which is insane (IMHO). -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Good analogy. I will bear that in mind and continue testing. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Robin Bowes;366978 Wrote: > maxrob200 wrote: > > > It is interesting to note that by posting an opinion that I have now > > been relegated to the "imagining things" category. As mentioned > > earlier, it was not so long ago that the general belief was that all > > cables sounded the same or all that an amplifier had to do was > > demonstrate " straight wire with gain", so why not differences in > the > > digital domain due to unforseen variables. > > maxrob200, > > There's a world of difference between: > > 1. hearing a difference between .wav and .flac > 2. "hearing" a difference when your SB is connected to Squeezecenter > via > a switch vs. direct connection. > > I don't personally hear (1) myself, although I've not done extensive > testing, but I don't dismiss it as impossible; highly unlikely, IMHO, > but not impossible. > > (2) is just not possible. Let me attempt an analogy. > > You, Sean, and myself are all sitting at a table with our laptops. They > > are not connected in anyway. > > I have an image file I want to send to you. > > Consider these two scenarios: > > 1. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to > you. > You read the file from the key and view it on your computer. > > 2. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to > Sean > who then slides it to you. You read the file from the key and view it > on > your computer. > > Do you think your computer will process the image file any differently > > in scenario (2) than it will in scenario (1)? Would you expect the > image > file to look any different in scenario (2) than it will in scenario > (1)? > > I am Squeezecenter. > You are a Squeezebox. > Sean is a switch. > > R. Hate to clue you but #1 and #2 are identical and purely imagined. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200 wrote: > It is interesting to note that by posting an opinion that I have now > been relegated to the "imagining things" category. As mentioned > earlier, it was not so long ago that the general belief was that all > cables sounded the same or all that an amplifier had to do was > demonstrate " straight wire with gain", so why not differences in the > digital domain due to unforseen variables. maxrob200, There's a world of difference between: 1. hearing a difference between .wav and .flac 2. "hearing" a difference when your SB is connected to Squeezecenter via a switch vs. direct connection. I don't personally hear (1) myself, although I've not done extensive testing, but I don't dismiss it as impossible; highly unlikely, IMHO, but not impossible. (2) is just not possible. Let me attempt an analogy. You, Sean, and myself are all sitting at a table with our laptops. They are not connected in anyway. I have an image file I want to send to you. Consider these two scenarios: 1. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to you. You read the file from the key and view it on your computer. 2. I write the file onto a USB key and slide it across the table to Sean who then slides it to you. You read the file from the key and view it on your computer. Do you think your computer will process the image file any differently in scenario (2) than it will in scenario (1)? Would you expect the image file to look any different in scenario (2) than it will in scenario (1)? I am Squeezecenter. You are a Squeezebox. Sean is a switch. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Robin Bowes;366670 Wrote: > maxrob200 wrote: > > > In the quest for better sound I have taken the advice of the > > audiophiles in this forum and done the following > > More advice: be careful whose advice you take, especially > "audiophiles'" > > > 2. Connecting the SB3 directly to the NAS rather than through a > switch. > > Noticeably better sound especially in transients and decay > > Rubbish. You're hearing things. > > R. Ditto. Where the heck did he read that. Oh I forgot where we were for a moment. -- mswlogo XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Meridian G68 > DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian DSP5000 XP > Cat5 > SB3 > SPDIF > Meridian G91 > DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45) 'Hitch Hikers Guide to Meridian' (http://www.meridianunplugged.com) mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
It's not wireless, using cable. I am only describing what I hear and yes it is subjective so blind tests within a group could be an interesting exercise. It is interesting to note that by posting an opinion that I have now been relegated to the "imagining things" category. As mentioned earlier, it was not so long ago that the general belief was that all cables sounded the same or all that an amplifier had to do was demonstrate " straight wire with gain", so why not differences in the digital domain due to unforseen variables. Anyway, I will continue to experiment with various bits in the system and decide whether I am imagining thingsmaybe another glass of Red may give me a different perspective -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Themis;366925 Wrote: > Well, personal beliefs *are* part of the listening experience, actually. > :) > > I would even say that the whole listening process is part of a belief. > > We always enjoy the music imagining that the artist and instruments are > right in front of us, when it's just a bunch of plastic, metal and wood > moving some air all around. ;) > > If he considers that wav sounds better than flac and that his setup > sounds better without a switch, why not ? It doesn't bother me, as long > as he doesn't promote this to an universal fact. That sounds dangerously like tolerance and has absolutely no place on an audiophile forum. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Well, personal beliefs *are* part of the listening experience, actually. :) I would even say that the whole listening process is part of a belief. We always enjoy the music imagining that the artist and instruments are right in front of us, when it's just a bunch of plastic, metal and wood moving some air all around. ;) If he considers that wav sounds better than flac and that his setup sounds better without a switch, why not ? It doesn't bother me, as long as he doesn't promotes it as an universal fact. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
This is about to get into a religious debate. It's obvious you don't believe that your mind can influence what you hear, otherwise you would wish to investigate further by doing some blind tests. Some of the others on the forum, me included, believe that our minds can and do influence what we hear all the time. Without common beliefs it isn't possible for the subjectivists and objectivists to reach agreement...but I suggest the above is the key belief that splits the two camps. The reasons the issues of FLAC vs WAV and the network switch differences are worthy of a blind test IMO is that: - FLAC and switches are handy. - There isn't a convincing technical explanation, at present, as to why they might sound different. - If an audible difference exists for these, it's likely to be on the subtle side. All three make the idea that it's in your mind a more attractive direction to investigate. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz -> Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) -> PMC AB-1 Dell laptop -> JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200 wrote: > And no, I am not imagining the sound differences between standalone and > connected to the switch. Yes you are. You really, really, are. > Like the age old debates among audiophiles about cable differences as > well as amplifier differences despite measurements being identical, > some things are in the subjective domain and will likely remain so for > eons yet. Yes, but this is simply not one of them. If you copy a file between two computers connected via a switch it will be *exactly* the same as if you connected the computers directly. And that's the only thing that matters. Once the song has been transmitted asynchronously to the Squeezebox, it is processed internally and, believe me, the Squeezebox has no idea whether the file has come via a switch or direct. You don't by chance mean "wireless access point" when you say "switch" do you? In which case you could have bandwidth limiting enabled, perhaps. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I want to set a static IP for the SB so that I can use it just with the NAS, nothing to do with sound quality. At the moment, when I just use the NAS and SB, the SB cannot locate the NAS if it has been switched off from the mains. If I just switch cables it works fine as IP has already been given by router's DHCP And no, I am not imagining the sound differences between standalone and connected to the switch. Also IMO wav sounds better than FLAC Like the age old debates among audiophiles about cable differences as well as amplifier differences despite measurements being identical, some things are in the subjective domain and will likely remain so for eons yet. -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
bhaagensen;366695 Wrote: > As long as the music plays, i.e. your not getting breakups, pops, > crackles etc. and the switch works for other purposes, there is no way > the switch can affect sound-quality. I won't go into details, but this > is way different than any discussions on e.g. cables, file-formats, > power-supplies, dacs etc. It is beyond arguing. Whoever wrote what you > read is seriously misinformed. I second that. IP transport is immune to "audio" effects. Simply because it uses an asynchronous error-free protocol. If the OT hears a difference when he disconnects the switch, there can be only two solutions: 1. He imagines a difference 2. The switch introduces some kind of RF interference which may be transmitted over the cable and affect other components inside the SB, (outside the network interface itself). -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
I have noticed that mids are less muddled and there is more air around individual instruments when I use a 10.0.0.0 IP address compared to a 192.168.0.0 IP addressing scheme. -- AnotherTribe AnotherTribe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
seanadams wrote: > maxrob200;366628 Wrote: >> Ok, point taken. I will use standard Cat 5 or 6 >> I intend to use SB with NAS only once files are uploaded. How do I set >> a static IP for the SB. Is it in slimserver software or SSOTS? I have >> done it for the NAS > > Would a static IP make it sound better? You wicked man! ;) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;366628 Wrote: > Ok, point taken. I will use standard Cat 5 or 6 > I intend to use SB with NAS only once files are uploaded. How do I set > a static IP for the SB. Is it in slimserver software or SSOTS? I have > done it for the NAS Would a static IP make it sound better? -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;366685 Wrote: > I did read somewhere that the quality of the switch does effect overall > audio performance due to inadequate transfer speeds or similar delays. > As long as the music plays, i.e. your not getting breakups, pops, crackles etc. and the switch works for other purposes, there is no way the switch can affect sound-quality. I won't go into details, but this is way different than any discussions on e.g. cables, file-formats, power-supplies, dacs etc. It is beyond arguing. Whoever wrote what you read is seriously misinformed. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Inadequade transfer speeds are not to be expecteded at all until your switch is broken. It has to be fast enough to fill that little RAM in the Squeezebox. If it can´t handle that there must be something broken! And regarding audiophiles (i post there sometimes also) Don´t take everything as granted. Don´t do the lemming. Me for example tried hard to detect wav to flac differences on my Transporter but somehow i must be deaf... -- Wombat Transporter -> Avantgarde based monoblocks -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200;366685 Wrote: > Hi Robin > I don't think that I am imagining it. I did read somewhere that the > quality of the switch does effect overall audio performance due to > inadequate transfer speeds or similar delays. > This is incorrect. A (working) switch and a (working) direct-connection will sound identical, as the timing of the packet traffic in TCP/IP is independent of the timing in the audio chain. A broken network connection would cause the SB's buffer to empty, and the music would stop or stutter, not become subtly different. maxrob200;366685 Wrote: > > I have listened to both combinations and there is definitely better > audio playback when connected directly just to the NAS It is possible that the switch is introducing some type of noise that the SB is sensitive to, but that would be a broken switch. It is more likely that you are imagining the difference. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Hi Robin I don't think that I am imagining it. I did read somewhere that the quality of the switch does effect overall audio performance due to inadequate transfer speeds or similar delays. I have listened to both combinations and there is definitely better audio playback when connected directly just to the NAS -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
maxrob200 wrote: > In the quest for better sound I have taken the advice of the > audiophiles in this forum and done the following More advice: be careful whose advice you take, especially "audiophiles'" > 2. Connecting the SB3 directly to the NAS rather than through a switch. > Noticeably better sound especially in transients and decay Rubbish. You're hearing things. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Ok, point taken. I will use standard Cat 5 or 6 I intend to use SB with NAS only once files are uploaded. How do I set a static IP for the SB. Is it in slimserver software or SSOTS? I have done it for the NAS -- maxrob200 maxrob200's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
don't use shielded twisted pair... ethernet is designed for unshielded, and under 99% of circumstances you are more likely to increase EMI by using shielded. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
