Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
foxesden wrote: > In my experience playing around with DACs is not the way to go. If you > do properly level matched blind listening tests you will have to resort > to tricks to hear the difference between any DAC that is not broken. So > look at features, aesthetics and price. There is a lot of subjective > guff on the internet, most of the reviewers are just expressing an > opinion and are not performing any form of controlled listening test. > > Essentially you need to get your speaker and room interaction right and > room treatment and or digital room correction (DRC). DRC can be done for > the cost of a cheapish measurement microphone and quite a lot of time. > For me the results are worth it, got rid of bass boom and overall > clarity has improved. Word! Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
In my experience playing around with DACs is not the way to go. If you do properly level matched blind listening tests you will have to resort to tricks to hear the difference between any DAC that is not broken. So look at features, aesthetics and price. There is a lot of subjective guff on the internet, most of the reviewers are just expressing an opinion and are not performing any form of controlled listening test. Essentially you need to get your speaker and room interaction right and room treatment and or digital room correction (DRC). DRC can be done for the cost of a cheapish measurement microphone and quite a lot of time. For me the results are worth it, got rid of bass boom and overall clarity has improved. foxesden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
RadioClash wrote: > 'F the Toslink, I'm focusing on a good coaxial cable. USB a complete > waste of time for audio. I feed both my Chord Qutest and DAVE via USB and find it works flawlessly - it depends how it's implemented on the board. We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. Intel NUC i5 Debian 16gb RAM 1TB SSD -> LMS -> Squeezelite -> USB -> Chord Hugo MScaler -> dual BNC -> Chord Qutest DAC -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me currently trying this NUC i5 Debian 16gb RAM 1TB SSD -> LMS -> Cambridge Audio CXN V2 -> Chord Hugo MScaler -> dual BNC -> Chord Qutest DAC -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
It depends on how USB is designed and implemented. Currently have my Rpi4b+ connected to a Chord Qutest via USB (Acoustic BBQ "Full Rack" cable) and it is sublime! scslite's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
'F the Toslink, I'm focusing on a good coaxial cable. USB a complete waste of time for audio. RadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
I'm finding that USB stinks for audio, even high end USBs like the Audioquest Diamond. I bought a cheap chitt glass toslink from ebay for testing and that doesn't sound half bad. Looking into higher end Toslink now for more testing. RadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
I also notice the E30 display will not switch off when the Touch EDO is off no matter what settings I choose. It worked properly with an SB3. Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
Jeff07971 wrote: > I hear ;) the Holo Audio May Kitsune is quite good > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3sOSRa-U0 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHcfgQtlnP8 > > Jeff It'd better be at that price point Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
I hear ;) the Holo Audio May Kitsune is quite good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3sOSRa-U0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHcfgQtlnP8 Jeff *Want a webapp ?* Get SqueezeLite-X ! https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108550-Announce-Squeezelite-X&p=903953&viewfull=1#post903953 Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
d6jg wrote: > Thats disappointing. I wont be getting an E30 then. That issue does > not exist with my Khadas Tone Board nor with an Audioquest Dragonfly. > Does anyone have a clue why the Topping cant react to sample rate > changes when other USB Dacs can?The E30 works fine with a piCorePlayer or > similar. It is just an issue with the Touch and EDO. When EDO was under active development there were quite a few custom kernels for various DACs so I imagine if development was ongoing it could be made to work. This was actually the reason I built a poCorePlayer. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
Thats disappointing. I wont be getting an E30 then. That issue does not exist with my Khadas Tone Board nor with an Audioquest Dragonfly. Does anyone have a clue why the Topping cant react to sample rate changes when other USB Dacs can? VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
tank121 wrote: > The E30 is arrived connected via the USB cable that came with it. One > thing I've noticed that someone else mentioned, when the bit rate of the > tracks change you have to cycle through the sources back to USB and the > press mute and unmute. > > Do you know if it's the same when fed by coaxial? > > Does a better USB cable make a difference.Using coax doesn't have the same > issue with sample rate. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
The E30 is arrived connected via the USB cable that came with it. One thing I've noticed that someone else mentioned, when the bit rate of the tracks change you have to cycle through the sources back to USB and the press mute and unmute. Do you know if it's the same when fed by coaxial? Does a better USB cable make a difference. Squeezebox touch Logitech Media server 7.9.1 running on Asus Beebox 3050 SFF Pc with USB 3.0 750GB HD Arcam SA10 amplifier Chord rumour speaker cable Dali Mentor Menuets on Custom Design stands tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
The E30 is arrived connected via the USB cable that came with it. One thing I've noticed that someone else mentioned, when the bit rate of the tracks change you have to cycle through the sources back to USB and the press mute and unmute. Do you know if it's the same when fed by coaxial? Does a better USB cable make a difference. Squeezebox touch Logitech Media server 7.9.1 running on Asus Beebox 3050 SFF Pc with USB 3.0 750GB HD Arcam SA10 amplifier Chord rumour speaker cable Dali Mentor Menuets on Custom Design stands tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
I have an E30 running off my Touch and the sound is really excellent running into Anthony Gallo Micro speakers and sub. Lounge: Transporter>Audio Synthesis DAX Decade>Audio Research LS22>Krell FPB300>Wilson Benesch Act 1's + 2 x Velodyne SPL1000 sub's Kitchen: Touch>Topping DAC>Arcam Solo>Anthony Gallo Micro's+Sub, Joggler controller Office: DAC32>Acoustic Energy AE1 Active's, Joggler controller Garage: Boom>QAcoustics 7000s subwoofer Bedroom: Radio Shed: Radio Workshop: Boom Garden 1: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Garden 2: SB3>JVC amp>Rock outdoor speakers Heuer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2543 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
tank121 wrote: > So I nearly bought a 2nd hand Transporter over the weekend here in the > UK. It went for £296 on the Ebay. > > Why did I pass on it? I just thought its virtually half the price of my > other option Cambridge Audio CVNV2 with no warranty and the Cambridge > will come with 6 yrs from RS. Also no support for the higher res files. > > Before getting the CA further down the line Im going to try one of > these Topping D50s USB DAC ES9038Q2M DAC XMOS XU208 32Bit/768KHz via USB > out of the Touch and compare it to the digital out of the Touch into my > Arcam SA10 amp with its built in Sabre ESS9016 DAC. > > Does anyone uses this Touch & Topping combo? Im sure someone does but I thought the D50 was discontinued? The E30 seems to be getting some good press. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
So I nearly bought a 2nd hand Transporter over the weekend here in the UK. It went for £296 on the Ebay. Why did I pass on it? I just thought its virtually half the price of my other option Cambridge Audio CVNV2 with no warranty and the Cambridge will come with 6 yrs from RS. Also no support for the higher res files. Before getting the CA further down the line Im going to try one of these Topping D50s USB DAC ES9038Q2M DAC XMOS XU208 32Bit/768KHz via USB out of the Touch and compare it to the digital out of the Touch into my Arcam SA10 amp with its built in Sabre ESS9016 DAC. Does anyone uses this Touch & Topping combo? Squeezebox touch Logitech Media server 7.9.1 running on Asus Beebox 3050 SFF Pc with USB 3.0 750GB HD Arcam SA10 amplifier Chord rumour speaker cable Dali Mentor Menuets on Custom Design stands tank121's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
You've got many good suggestions already. I'd like to add headphones. With out knowing what you want to improve a lot of the time IME when people want improvement they want more. Now you might be happy with your current speakers and/or actually care about your neighbours, if so consider a headphone amp and a nice pair of phones. v2k's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71576 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
tank121 wrote: > Currently using my faithful Squeezebox Touch linked via Coaxial into my > Arcam SA10 amp (has built in Sabre ESS 9018 DAC) > > My considerations - > > 1) Replace my Touch with a 2nd hand Transporter to take advantage of > its onboard DAC > 2) Replace the Touch with a Cambridge Audio CXN V2 for its onboard > DACs > 3) Purchase an external DAC, something that doesnt use the Sabre DAC > range. > > Any other suggestions are most welcome. > > TIA I recently replaced my Khadas tone board with a Chord Qutest https://chordelectronics.co.uk/product/qutest and am very pleased with it - I have a CXN 2 which is also very good , I can choose whether to play using the CXN directly into my amp or to pipe it through the Qutest - to be honest they are both so good I can't tell the difference We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. Intel NUC i5 Debian 16gb RAM 1TB SSD -> LMS -> Chord Qutest DAC / Cambridge Audio CXN V2 -> Meridian 551 -> Monitor Audio Gold -> Me pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
I recently added a Denafrips Ares II DAC to my setup, and am extremely happy with it. I have it connected via coax to my Squeezebox Touch. Previously, I was using the DAC in my Oppo 105D, which is a very good Sabre based DAC. kristina's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15116 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
No need to replace the Touch, as you seem to have a nice setup. Room treatment and other speakers go a long way. More than the marginal differences in the digital domain. Enjoy the music and take out and clean the connectors every now and then. Even the mains connectors. Sounds like an upgrade. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
Have you considered adding a subwoofer (or two)? Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
what ronnie says...:D except while google is your friend, remember she is watching you :p I have two systems with a touch as the player. The first is a touch coax into an oppo BDP-105D Blu-ray/media processor with balanced analog to an outlaw amp. The 105 has a wonderful digital/analog section. I have a second system at a cabin that might be more relevant to your question. Initially a touch analog rca into an arcam a65 amp. I recently added a Schitt bifrost DAC (about $500USD) between the two, and the sound improvement is night and day (even to these aging ears). I still have the touch analog to one input, and the DAC to another input, so I can A/B to demonstrate the difference to myself, for a smile when one is needed. Two other things to remember/consider: 1) The music you play. Poorly recorded muddy sounding song is still going to sound crappy. I have a high res copy of Derek and the Dominos "Layla" and while the music is one of my fav's, the sound is...meh.. 2) Speakers - IMO the biggest improvement you can make. Especially when you consider most have unique sound color/flavor to them, so find the ones that match what you appeals to you. Example, I was looking for a cheap upgrade of an old pair of klipsch KG1.5's (early 90's vintage, maybe $300 a pair) for my second system. I bought a pair of ELACS, they sounded great. Then A/B'ed them with the klipsch. I returned the ELAC's. Maybe the ELACs were more accurate, but to me they were more "dead". YMMV. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
Presumably the Touch has EDO plugin which allows max 24/192 out over digital? If so bear in mind that the Transporter will never handle anything above 24/96. LMS will downsample accordingly. My recent upgrade was a Raspberry Pi4 (piCorePlayer) coupled with a Khadas Tone Board (Generic) connected via USB both in high WAF cases that match each other. The Tone Board is a very decent DAC - https://www.khadas.com/tone1 - capable of up to 32/384 if ever required. From memory it was about £90 plus the case from Audiophonics for about £20 and to my ears is better than something costing triple that. Pi Box Pro 4 case - https://thepihut.com/products/pibox-pro-4-case-with-sd-access Kadas Tone Board case - https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/aluminium-boxes-cases/aluminum-case-for-khadas-tone-board-p-13626.html VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my sound
First : decided why you think your sound needs improving : make a list Second : consider updating your LMS Third : read the list and decide how you can change things for the better Forth : google is your friend Fifth : chuck the list in the bin and enjoy the music :) Sixth : only you can decide what is an improvement, there is a lot (and I mean a LOT) of stuff on t'interweb about how one can improve sound quality, and it is all subjective, well nearly all, well alright, some might be worthwhile, your ears and that :p do your research (you seem to have started here) and try things for yourself enjoy ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114970 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
