Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;627862 Wrote: > Kuja, was your friend using touch as transport for both 840c and naim > dac? No he's not using Touch. He is using M2Tech Evo USB to SPDIF converter. I'm using Touch with my Naim DAC. Anyway, we also tested 840c in my system and I know how it sounds. Naim DAC is more natural an relaxed, with wider imaging in all directions. -- Kuja Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;627802 Wrote: > Guidof, soundcheck, phil, and others.. > > Thanks so much for all of your advises and sharing of experiences, e > consensus seems to be that, most of you are doubtful that upgrading the > dac do much especially from investment return angle. However at this > stage i am quite happy with my amp/spk combo and will follow your > advise probably to hit big on speaker in the soon future and hopefully > not too soon. Actually, i have read on other threads about room > corrections and i am getting the inguz and the mic and recording setup > to see, at the same time also wait for any new mods from soundcheck :) > > Cheers. Harry Before you look at room correction make sure you have optimised your speaker and seating positioning (some of the Audio Physics method has worked for me) and try out some bass traps. I am still evaluating which kind are best for my rooms - sonically and aesthetically - but I know from experience they work. If after that you still want room correction do that too. There are several reasons to do it last though. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Kuja;627860 Wrote: > A friend of mine went from 840C to Naim DAC. > > He felt that it was a significant upgrade. > > Actually, we both upgraded our digital setups to nDACs at the same > time. Kuja, was your friend using touch as transport for both 840c and naim dac? -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
A friend of mine went from 840C to Naim DAC. He felt that it was a significant upgrade. Actually, we both upgraded our digital setups to nDACs at the same time. -- Kuja Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Guidof, soundcheck, phil, and others.. Thanks so much for all of your advises and sharing of experiences, e consensus seems to be that, most of you are doubtful that upgrading the dac do much especially from investment return angle. However at this stage i am quite happy with my amp/spk combo and will follow your advise probably to hit big on speaker in the soon future and hopefully not too soon. Actually, i have read on other threads about room corrections and i am getting the inguz and the mic and recording setup to see, at the same time also wait for any new mods from soundcheck :) Cheers. Harry -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
adamdea;627683 Wrote: > Well done. I would probably try to follow your example but i am hung up > on the thought that surely MF will incorporate the V link sooner or > later. > As regards modifying the Touch I had it done by Fidelity audio who > changed the clock but not the switchmode regulators as Audiocom do. Of > course once you've done that it may become tempting to try the linear > psu and If MF were to fit a high-quality async USB connection to the M1, I could dispense with the Touch all together and drive the USB DAC directly from my PC (via a USB galvanic isolator). Actually I wouldn't dispense with the Touch, I'd keep it as a synced display of artwork etc. As it wouldn't have any audio connections, it can sit next to my couch and be connected by wi-fi. I might even use the touchscreen! In fact, this is starting to look like a very attractive proposition. I think I'll start a new thread... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Phil Leigh;627680 Wrote: > Well, lets see: > the old stack was about £900 ( I bought it all new) > The mods were ~£600 all-in > > I sold this setup for ~£750 in total on eBay (including a cable I no > longer need between DAC and X10) > > The M1 was £400 > The M1 mods are £300 > > I will be up £50 on the deal :-) > > I may have the Touch modified by Audicom at the same time - that would > be another £300. > > > Economically I am doing OK! Well done. I would probably try to follow your example but i am hung up on the thought that surely MF will incorporate the V link sooner or later. As regards modifying the Touch I had it done by Fidelity audio who changed the clock but not the switchmode regulators as Audiocom do. Of course once you've done that it may become tempting to try the linear psu and -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
adamdea;627679 Wrote: > Quite impressive though bearing in mind that there is presumably some > scope for improvement by applying the same mods Audiocom did to the > X-Dac.(and the total cost of the previous 3-pack, even before mods, > must be way less than the M1) Well, lets see: the old stack was about £900 ( I bought it all new) The mods were ~£600 all-in I sold this setup for ~£750 in total on eBay (including a cable I no longer need between DAC and X10) The M1 was £400 The M1 mods are £300 I will be up £50 on the deal :-) I may have the Touch modified by Audicom at the same time - that would be another £300. Economically I am doing OK! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Phil Leigh;627677 Wrote: > I marginally prefer it (or maybe I have just convinced myself?) - but > they are very similar. To be honest the differences are subtle at > best. > > I'm not sure I can even quantify it in terms of "veils lifting", > "blacker blacks" etc... :-). It just sounds very nice. If you held a > gun to my head I would say that the dynamics are somewhat more > impressive - drums have more impact and cymbals/triangles etc sound > cleaner > > To put it into some kind of perspective, if I had to choose between old > DAC with Inguz and new DAC without I would definitely choose the old > DAC. Quite impressive though bearing in mind that there is presumably some scope for improvement by applying the same mods Audiocom did to the X-Dac. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
adamdea;627670 Wrote: > As a matter of interest what conclusion have you reached about the M1 > DAC (presumably still unmodified) against your modded XDACv3/ XPSU/ > x10D? I marginally prefer it (or maybe I have just convinced myself?) - but they are very similar. To be honest the differences are subtle at best. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Phil Leigh;627640 Wrote: > Our definition of "reasonable quality" for speakers may be different > :-) > > For example, I will never use speakers with passive crossovers... they > just suck the life out of the music compared to a (good) active > configuration. > > For sure every part of the system plays a role - but IME the > differences between (good) DAC's and amps are really quite small > compared to the differences available through choice of speakers. Ok. Now we're switching subject from source to active vs. passive speakers. Such a discussion can go on forever. You know that. In my (and not only my) setup the modified Touch feeding that full digital amp makes a huge difference. It even makes my 15year old Acapella speakers shine. For quite some time I wasn't even motivated to move on to my main system. I asked myself what else do I need. BTW: I also run some full active ADAM speakers, beside my semi active Bastanis Apollo main speakers. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Phil Leigh;627640 Wrote: > Our definition of "reasonable quality" for speakers may be different > :-) > > For example, I will never use speakers with passive crossovers... they > just suck the life out of the music compared to a (good) active > configuration. > > For sure every part of the system plays a role - but IME the > differences between (good) DAC's and amps are really quite small > compared to the differences available through choice of speakers. As a matter of interest what conclusion have you reached about the M1 DAC (presumably still unmodified) against your modded XDACv3/ XPSU/ x10D? -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
soundcheck;627622 Wrote: > Just 80%!?!? My DAC or amp is not making any sounds. I hear 100% coming > from my speakers. ;) > > > My 2 cents: > > Every single part plays a major role in a pretty complex audio system. > Meanwhile I consider the source more important than the speaker > (assuming a reasonable quality device). > ... Our definition of "reasonable quality" for speakers may be different :-) For example, I will never use speakers with passive crossovers... they just suck the life out of the music compared to a (good) active configuration. For sure every part of the system plays a role - but IME the differences between (good) DAC's and amps are really quite small compared to the differences available through choice of speakers. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Robin Bowes;627629 Wrote: > On 26/04/11 09:16, soundcheck wrote: > > > I'm running a 250$ full-digital DIY amp nowadays > > Hey, I'm interested in that. Got any links, etc? > > R. > -- > "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes > http://www.theshackshakers.com/ DIY device based on 'TAS 5706' (http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/tas5706.html) Wadia sells the PowerDAC 151 at around 1k. -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
On 26/04/11 09:16, soundcheck wrote: > I'm running a 250$ full-digital DIY amp nowadays Hey, I'm interested in that. Got any links, etc? R. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Phil Leigh;627543 Wrote: > > 80% of what you hear is the speakers. Spend lots on speakers... Just 80%!?!? My DAC or amp is not making any sounds. I hear 100% coming from my speakers. ;) My 2 cents: Every single part plays a major role in a pretty complex audio system. Meanwhile I consider the source more important than the speaker (assuming a reasonable quality device). That doesn't mean though, that I'd spent 3000+ for a source (anymore). I'm running a 250$ full-digital DIY amp nowadays (my Sabre and amps are settling dust). Full digital amps (DA conversion and amplification on a 2*2cm chip) would be a disaster for the audio industry. Probably one reason why this technology is not gaining market share. ;) -- soundcheck ::: ' Touch Toolbox 2.0' (http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html) ::: by soundcheck soundcheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34383 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626586 Wrote: > Would my next 3000-5000usd upgrade give me the same magnitude of > mprovement? Any comment? In a word, no. Diminishing returns kick-in quite early. 80% of what you hear is the speakers. Spend lots on speakers... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversized. I am hoping th > imaging to be more pinpoint and solid. And a more backward > presentation. Could be speaker placement, but after 6 months of tuning > (with differenet tubes too), i think i get the best possible tonal > balance to my ears, and i am hoping better equipment can deilver for my > soundstaging/imaging requirement as said above. Cheers. HH: I have a Touch + CA 840C and don't get a 'forward' soundstage or 'oversized' images. These issues may be related to room/speaker placement. I doubt you will solve them by changing the DAC, but you can try, if you can borrow one. Guido F. -- guidof *Front End*: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge; Cambridge Azur 840C CD Player; Oppo BDP--83 Universal Player; Squeezebox Touch Music File Player (digital out to Cambridge Azur 840C DAC) *Preamps*: Conrad Johnson Motif (Phono); Adcom GFP-750 (Line) *Amps*: Music Reference RM-200 Mk II (Main); Little Tube Mk III (Phones) *Subwoofer Equalizer*: DSpeaker Antimode 8033 *Speakers*: Martin Logan SL3s; REL T1 Subwoofer *Headphones*: AKG K701 guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
I came across a number direct online sellng dacs, brands like wyred4sound, neko (daverz using), twisted pair (soundcheck using), any other users can comment on the qualities of these dacs compare to dac part of 840c or stello cpa500? Especially of course to use with a moded touch. Cheers. -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Garym, thanks for the input, you are exactly right, worst is you spend the $$$ and there is no improvement is sonic quality. Daverz, yes, tube rolling can improve/change the sound and i have in stock nos mullards el34, kt66 n 77 goldlion, 350b reissue by valve art and russian 6p3e which is on my amp right now, these are all nice sounding tubes and i switch them once awhile to adapt to my mood and preference that time. ;) Have anyone heard the korean brand stello? Their cda500 cdp has got some raved review in hong kong, and i am going to seoul soon and i can pick one up at almost half of the hk retail price. They also have a top end model call eximus which cost around 4000usd (cda500 is 2110usd). -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversized. I am hoping th > imaging to be more pinpoint and solid. And a more backward > presentation. Could be speaker placement, but after 6 months of tuning > (with differenet tubes too), i think i get the best possible tonal > balance to my ears, and i am hoping better equipment can deilver for my > soundstaging/imaging requirement as said above. Cheers. I have an 840C, and I think I know what you mean. I'm now using a Neko D100, which has a more relaxed, laid back sound. It's been a while since I've had the 840C connected. Maybe I'll do some comparisons tonight. And tube rolling can make a big difference. Imaging in my system seems to have taken a leap forward after replacing the stock 6922s in my pre-amp with some Amperex orange labels (not the most sought after Amperex vintage, so they are relatively cheap.) -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626222 Wrote: > Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage > is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup > in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the > amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversized. I am hoping th > imaging to be more pinpoint and solid. And a more backward > presentation. Could be speaker placement, but after 6 months of tuning > (with differenet tubes too), i think i get the best possible tonal > balance to my ears, and i am hoping better equipment can deilver for my > soundstaging/imaging requirement as said above. Cheers. I would be quite surprised if a new DAC could solve the problem you are having here. Could be wrong, but I'd certainly want to try something before I spent $4,000 to end up in the same place. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Daverz, 840c is a pretty nice sounding dac, except that the soundstage is pretty forward "in my face" as i am listening in a near field setup in small room (could be other part of the chain but i am happy with the amp/spkr combo), the stereo images are bit oversized. I am hoping th imaging to be more pinpoint and solid. And a more backward presentation. Could be speaker placement, but after 6 months of tuning (with differenet tubes too), i think i get the best possible tonal balance to my ears, and i am hoping better equipment can deilver for my requirement as said above. Cheers. -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
What don't you like about the DAC in the 840C? -- Daverz Daverz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626122 Wrote: > Garym, > > You mean i should get the transporter as transport and replace my dac > to a higher quality one? How much sonic difference comparing a modded > touch to a transporter? Thanks. > > Rgro, > > Thanks for the comment re rega dac. No, I mean get the transporter and use its internal DAC. After I got the transporter, I quit using my Benchmark DAC I, which I'd been quite happy with previously. I actually preferred the Transporter DAC. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
I imagine the Klimax owners will sell their 'spare' Klimax through ebay or the normal channels. The upgrade isn't out yet, so that's why you won't have seen any. imo buy a Transporter to use as a transport to another DAC is misguided as well as wasteful. Either the Transporter is good enough (for you) or it is not. If you want a different DAC then any decent DAC should be as good with a Touch as it is with a Transporter. But once you mate a streamer with a separate external DAC you are, in a sense, going backwards by introducing s/pdif and all it's problems. Which is why a high quality network music player, like a transport or Linn DS or Naim NDX for that matter to me makes more sense for you. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Garym, You mean i should get the transporter as transport and replace my dac to a higher quality one? How much sonic difference comparing a modded touch to a transporter? Thanks. Rgro, Thanks for the comment re rega dac. -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
I'll put in my .02 for: Touch > Rega Dac controlled by iPad/iPeng. Big bang for the buck. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet > Vortexbox > Touch (wired) via spdif coax > Rega DAC > Marantz PM8003 > VA Mozart Grands > REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) > Pioneer VSX 919 > Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.4 r32298 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.8. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.4 r9408. Duet: FW 68. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Helloharry;626118 Wrote: > Jeza, thanks for the news. I checked the linn forum - you mean some of > the klimax owner might sell to upgrade? Wold u know where online would > they sell? Dont see anything on audiogon. Anyhow, if i buy a akurate > ds, would it put my system to another level? I read some poor comment > about its interface, how would you think compare to sb's control panel > or ipeng (i am using both now on my ipad)...cheers. I've read of the same weakness of Linn control software versus SB. I think you have other options. A TOUCH paired with good quality DAC can be a fantastic transport. Or pick up a Transporter from logitech. I'm quite fond of my TRANSPORTER. You can do all this and have left over. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
Jeza, thanks for the news. I checked the linn forum - you mean some of the klimax owner might sell to upgrade? Wold u know where online would they sell? Dont see anything on audiogon. Anyhow, if i buy a akurate ds, would it put my system to another level? I read some poor comment about its interface, how would you think compare to sb's control panel or ipeng (i am using both now on my ipad)...cheers. -- Helloharry Helloharry's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Upgrade from touch+cambridge 840c
A Linn Akurate or Majik seems to me the most logical way to go - checkout the Linn Forum - they have announced an upgrade to the Klimax DS which includes putting the old Klimax DS board in a new box, which some owners are planning to sell on for quite modest (ie less than Akurate DS) prices. -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87098 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
