Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Dano]

Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of 
your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome 
Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was 
in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley 
had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on 
the same page (thanks to Margaret). 

BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the 
first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna 
-1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly 
unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in 
Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next.

On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:

> Thanks Shirley.  I emailed you my mailing address.  I appreciate this! 
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre 
> > 
> wrote: 
>
> > Joe:  I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA.  It is nine (9) pages 
> long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. 
> > I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, 
> my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. 
> > Their common ancestors are:  Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. 
> > I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa.  I still need their DOM and 
> where. 
> > At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 
> 1748in SM-VFDC. 
> > 
> > Shirley in CA 
> > 
> > - Original Message - From: "Joseph Costa" 
> > > 
>
> > To: > 
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record 
> --  can't really read it) Help! 
> > 
> > 
> > Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you 
> have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time.   As far 
> as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information 
> already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past 
> few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam 
> born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM.   He is who I originally started this thread 
> about. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Joseph Costa]

Thanks Shirley.  I emailed you my mailing address.  I appreciate this!


On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre  wrote:

> Joe:  I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA.  It is nine (9) pages long. 
> If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you.
> I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF 
> program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed.
> Their common ancestors are:  Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra.
> I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa.  I still need their DOM and where.
> At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in 
> SM-VFDC.
> 
> Shirley in CA
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Joseph Costa" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record --  
> can't really read it) Help!
> 
> 
> Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on 
> the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time.   As far as Matheus 
> and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have 
> figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I 
> also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 
> in VFSM.   He is who I originally started this thread about.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Shirley Allegre]

Joe:  I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA.  It is nine (9) pages long. 
If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you.
I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my 
PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed.

Their common ancestors are:  Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra.
I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa.  I still need their DOM and 
where.
At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in 
SM-VFDC.


Shirley in CA

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From: "Joseph Costa" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record --  
can't really read it) Help!



Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on 
the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time.   As far as Matheus 
and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have 
figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I 
also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 
1748 in VFSM.   He is who I originally started this thread about.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Shirley Allegre]

I tried to open that file, but I got the following message:
404 File or directory not found.

Shirley in CA

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Costa" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record --  
can't really read it) Help!



Hi.  I actually found him this afternoon: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.htmlz


Thank you for your offer to help!


On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Dano  wrote:

Joseph, perhaps we've been working from the wrong perspective on this 
problem. Do you have info on Joam that you can share with us? If not, 
whomever the ancestor that you've traced furthest back w/ most info. 
Several of us in this group have been researching Ponta Garca & VFdC for a 
long time - one of us must have the person you're looking for.


On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, 
birth record, but I'm not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of 
Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). 
Can anyone read this.  In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in 
the lower right corner.  Looks like this is from Sept 1751?  I need help 
verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. 
What about grandparents' names?  Anyone see those?



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation

[Shirley Allegre]

Hi all:  This is how I read that marriage:

DOM 22 August 1895, SM-VFDC Item 21, page 19 R
Antonio Miguel Furtado, single, age 24, 
native, resident, baptised this freguesia.
(Jose Miguel Furtado, fisherman, native Sao Paulo- Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel, 
Azores
X Anna de Jesus, domestic/housewife, native this freguesia)
SPOUSE
Maria do Rosario, single, age 20, 
(Manoel Luis X Maria de Jesus), natives this freguesia
Next page:
TESTIMONY
Vicente d'Andrade  &  Julio de Pimentel, all married, workers, and 
residents of this freguesia.

Shirley in CA


  - Original Message - 
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  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 12:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation


  The dates are written out 


  Here is your marriage right page. married on 22 Aug 1895


  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html


  On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM, brownat68 .  wrote:

How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand? 
If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier. 


Todd




On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

  Todd,

  No, not the right record.  The groom was a Andrade.


  Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Which 
church?


  Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research.  For 
example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name she 
married under).  See if you can find that record and post it.  Find a few 
others.  Then jump into the unchartered territory.  You'll be surprised at how 
much your "reading" has increased.


  Cheri Mello
  Listowner, Azores-Gen
  Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
Tainhas, Achada 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] occupation = Lutador

[Manuel Martins]

When was the 'lutador' born?  If you remember, Portugal was under 
Spanish dominance from 1580 to 1640, in Terceira when the Spanish tried 
to land the people fought and released the bulls after the Spaniards, I 
wonder if this individual fought and was nicked named 'lutador'.


Also, the kings used many of the Azoreans to fight in the wars, he could 
have been on of these soldiers.


Boxing was/is not practiced in the Azores, but one can never tell. Back 
in the early 1900's basketball was played a lot.


On 3/25/2014 3:20 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:
I would love to hear the opinion of some native speakers about my 
ancestor from the 1600s whose occupation is mentioned as "lutador."


It is defined as fighter or wrestler, but in a society (Terceira) 
where people are more concerned with feeding their families than 
entertainment, could this really be the meaning? Maybe a bull fighter, 
since Terceira does have them these days. But I was thinking maybe 
it's more like a soldier which is usually listed as soldado.


Obrigado,

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brazil, Civil Registration, 1870-2012

[Ubirajara Jales de Lira]

Isabella, I found my great grandmother and her date of birth, in the parish of 
Caicó, in 2008. I found the names of her parents too: José Gomes de Oliveira 
and Maria Magdalena do Rosário, but I could not get to find the date of birth 
or marriage of Maria Magdalena do Rosário in the records of the parish. So, I 
am trying the nottary's office.

Ubirajara.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco de Medeiros

[Joseph Costa]

Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has information on my Francisco de 
Medeiros and his ancestors.

Here is his info:  Francisco de Medeiros b. 21 Jan 1841 to Miguel de 
Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus, VFDC-Matriz; m. Maria Jose 18 Jan 1864, 
VFDC-Matriz.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: names at baptism

[mances]

Doug,

I am researching on mainland too and saw this even in the mid-1700s.
My ancestor José Antonio Cardoso was baptized in Armamar with his first two 
names on 24 april 1740:

http://cloud.archeevo.com/viewer?id=12846

Manoel


Em terça-feira, 25 de março de 2014 18h39min37s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
escreveu:
>
> It has been mentioned many times that is most cases, only the first name 
> is listed at baptism in the Azores.
>
> So it struck me today while researching on the mainland that in the 
> records I'm viewing, 1885-1886, almost every child is listed with their 
> first two names:
>
> http://digitarq.adgrd.arquivos.pt/viewer?id=1217358
>
> To view the records, just click on any random page listed on the left side 
> - like image 150.
>
> Just thought someone might be interested in these contrasting traditions.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Date of Death -- Manuel Jacinto da Costa

[Joseph Costa]

Looking for a date of death and death record for my 2nd great grandfather 
Manuel Jacinto da Costa.  Here is his info:

Manuel Jacinto da Costa, b. 04 Oct 1842, VFDC-Matriz (son of Francisco Jose 
(Feitor) da Costa and Maria de Jesus); 
m. Filomena Augusta/de Conceicao/do Coracao de Jesus 19 Feb 1860, VFDC, Sao 
Pedro;

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[AZORES-Genealogy] names at baptism

[pico]

It has been mentioned many times that is most cases, only the first name is listed at baptism in the Azores.So it struck me today while researching on the mainland that in the records I'm viewing, 1885-1886, almost every child is listed with their first two names:http://digitarq.adgrd.arquivos.pt/viewer?id=1217358To view the records, just click on any random page listed on the left side - like image 150.Just thought someone might be interested in these contrasting traditions.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Joseph Costa]

Cheri: I submitted my DNA sample, and they are now in receipt of it.  I am 
having them do Family Finder, Y-DNA37, and mt-DNA Plus. It will be fun to see 
if we are all interconnected.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Joseph Costa]

Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on 
the Antonio Jacome Rapiso family going way back in time.   As far as Matheus 
and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have 
figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I 
also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 
in VFSM.   He is who I originally started this thread about.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Joseph Costa]

Hi.  I actually found him this afternoon:  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.htmlz

Thank you for your offer to help!


On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Dano  wrote:

> Joseph, perhaps we've been working from the wrong perspective on this 
> problem. Do you have info on Joam that you can share with us? If not, 
> whomever the ancestor that you've traced furthest back w/ most info. Several 
> of us in this group have been researching Ponta Garca & VFdC for a long time 
> - one of us must have the person you're looking for. 
> 
> On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
> I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's,  Joam da Costa's, birth 
> record, but I'm not sure.  Per my previous post,  he is the son of Matheus da 
> Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca).  Can anyone 
> read this.  In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right 
> corner.  Looks like this is from Sept 1751?  I need help verifying that these 
> are in fact the names of the parents on this record.  What about 
> grandparents' names?  Anyone see those?
> 
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Hermano C. Pires]

Shirley
 
Does the link below help in any way?
Hermano
 
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P79.html
 
From: shir...@digitalpath.net
To: azores@googlegroups.com
CC: familytreeclimb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- 
can't really read it) Help!
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:24 -0700








I have a JOSEFA (Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste 
X Maria Pacheco Moniz in SMA-VFDC)  She was born on 22 Apr 1714, in 
SM-VFDC.
I have this family way back in time.  

If Josepha married in 1736, does anyone know 
where?  I don't have any other on her.
 
Shirley in CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dano 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:23 
PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da 
  Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
  

  John, I think I've got the family 
  you're referring to. I have Matheus da Costa married to Josefa Francisca 
  Pacheco (only have the year 1736 for their marriage, but we can check back to 
  the original posting for that date); I don't have Matheus' parents, but, 
  Josefa's a "charm," linking back hundreds of years. Her parents 
  were Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste who married Maria Pacheco Moniz in 
  Arcanjo Sao Miguel (VFdC) on 22-Jul-1712. The family links back to 
  Capitao Jorge Correia Barbosa/Maria Vieira de Albernaz, AND, even further 
back 
  on the Jacome Raposo link to Joao Jacome Raposo/ Francisca Roiz Cordeiro (abt 
  1525). They may go back further, but, that's as far as I have. What's 
  more, all of the surnames that have been mentioned in this thread are For 
  REAL!!!

On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:00:03 PM UTC-4, JR 
  wrote: 1736
  


By the way, I think I may have found 
another child for Matheus da Costa in PG. And this will really make you 
scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the name Matheus de Araujo! And 
all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So I suggest that you 
start 
after this record and go forward in PG until you find Joao and/or all the 
other siblings. You may find as you go that they have settled on the names 
you know and recognize.




http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html



PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho 
de Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher 
Jozepha 
Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. 
Padrinhos- Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara 
 da Conceicao Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca

On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa 
wrote:

  Ok.  I will take a further look.  If anyone comes 
  across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, 
  and the person I started this thread about), please let me know.  I 
  have been unable to locate it.

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 
  PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
  
The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents 
are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da 
Costa 
and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos 
da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of 
Matheus 
da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio 
da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps.


JR

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:

  The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is 
  Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also 
  understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet 
  every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used 
  Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was 
clearly 
  Antonio da Roia.
  

  

  Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse 
  Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be 
  right after they married.
  

  JR
  

  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html

  
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
  
Understandably so, Joseph.




On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa 
 wrote:

I just am having great difficulty believing that 
  the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa 
  Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record.  I still 
  think tha

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, they are written out longhand.  Every once in a while though, you'll
find a priest that will write 1809 at the beginning of those records.
mil = 1000
novocentos = 900
oitocentos = 800
noventa = 90
oitenta = 80
setenta = 70
sesenta = 60
cinquenta = 50
quarenta = 40
trinta = 30
vinte = 20

For a complete list, go to the Azores Genweb and click on the first link:
http://goo.gl/mWi4rq

I think the numbers are on the last page or 2nd to the last page.

The numbers seem to be the last thing that people get.  And it doesn't help
that oitocentos can be written as oito centos.  Or oi tocentos.  Depends on
when they went back to dip the pen in the ink.  And 50 can be spelled
or rather, misspelled so many ways.

It takes some practice and a lot of patience to get it, but you will get it.

We plan on spending lots of time helping people with the handwriting at our
conference.
Good luck,
Cheri


On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM, brownat68 .  wrote:

> How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand?
> If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier.
>
> Todd
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> Todd,
>>
>> No, not the right record.  The groom was a Andrade.
>>
>> Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Which
>> church?
>>
>> Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research.  For
>> example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name
>> she married under).  See if you can find that record and post it.  Find a
>> few others.  Then jump into the unchartered territory.  You'll be surprised
>> at how much your "reading" has increased.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation

[Pam Santos]

The dates are written out

Here is your marriage right page. married on 22 Aug 1895

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1895-1899_item1/P21.html

On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 12:14 PM, brownat68 .  wrote:

> How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand?
> If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier.
>
> Todd
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>>  Todd,
>>
>> No, not the right record.  The groom was a Andrade.
>>
>> Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Which
>> church?
>>
>> Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research.  For
>> example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name
>> she married under).  See if you can find that record and post it.  Find a
>> few others.  Then jump into the unchartered territory.  You'll be surprised
>> at how much your "reading" has increased.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record finding and translation

[brownat68 .]

How do you read the dates on the pages, they must be written in longhand?
If I could read the years I could find them a lot easier.

Todd


On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Todd,
>
> No, not the right record.  The groom was a Andrade.
>
> Vila Franca has 2 churches: Sao Miguel Arcanjo and Sao Pedro.  Which
> church?
>
> Since you're my cousin, go back and duplicate some of my research.  For
> example, look for Victorino de Mello and Maria Joaquina (or whatever name
> she married under).  See if you can find that record and post it.  Find a
> few others.  Then jump into the unchartered territory.  You'll be surprised
> at how much your "reading" has increased.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: occupation = Lutador

[mances]

Doug,

As far as I know Lutador is a Fighter or Wrestler.

Manoel

Em terça-feira, 25 de março de 2014 04h20min13s UTC-3, Doug da Rocha Holmes 
escreveu:
>
> I would love to hear the opinion of some native speakers about my ancestor 
> from the 1600s whose occupation is mentioned as "lutador."
>
> It is defined as fighter or wrestler, but in a society (Terceira) where 
> people are more concerned with feeding their families than entertainment, 
> could this really be the meaning? Maybe a bull fighter, since Terceira does 
> have them these days. But I was thinking maybe it's more like a soldier 
> which is usually listed as soldado.
>
> Obrigado,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] occupation = Lutador

[pico]

That's certainly possible. But it is also certainly not one that was passed down to anyone, not that it must be.I am hoping he was really a bull fighter. That would be very interesting.I wonder when that started on Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] occupation = Lutador
From: Cheri Mello 
Date: Tue, March 25, 2014 9:09 am
To: Azores Genealogy 

You're sure it's the occupation and not an alcunha after his name?  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salt Lake City Genealogy Conference, Registration Deadline coming up on April 1st!

[Cheri Mello]

Just a reminderwe are 1 week away from the registration deadline.  
Below is my post for those who missed it.  
=
Our genealogy and research trip to Salt Lake City on April 15-18, 2014, is 
quickly approaching!

I need a couple of weeks to work on things, so I've set the registration 
deadline as April 1st (and for those dropping it in the mail on Apr 1st, I 
won't get it for a few days).

For those thinking of attending, you can read more about the conference 
from the Azores GenWeb page here: 
goo.gl/E9FHvV

We will be able to help Madeirans, Cape Verdeans, and the continent too!

You can still book a room at the Plaza Hotel.  Rooms are available, they 
just are not holding them for us.  Call the hotel and tell them you are 
with the Azores group.  If that doesn't work, tell them you want the 
genealogy special. (It's the same as our deal - stay 3 nights get one 
free).  Also email me off list to let me know you've booked a room so I can 
be sure they put you in our block!

We have people coming from Canada, Australia, and Joao Ventura coming from 
Terceira!

Looking forward to meeting many of you soon!
 Cheri & Rosemarie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!

[Shirley Allegre]

I have a JOSEFA (Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste X Maria Pacheco Moniz in 
SMA-VFDC)  She was born on 22 Apr 1714, in SM-VFDC.
I have this family way back in time.  
If Josepha married in 1736, does anyone know where?  I don't have any other on 
her.

Shirley in CA
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  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:23 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- 
can't really read it) Help!


  John, I think I've got the family you're referring to. I have Matheus da 
Costa married to Josefa Francisca Pacheco (only have the year 1736 for their 
marriage, but we can check back to the original posting for that date); I don't 
have Matheus' parents, but, Josefa's a "charm," linking back hundreds of years. 
Her parents were Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste who married Maria Pacheco 
Moniz in Arcanjo Sao Miguel (VFdC) on 22-Jul-1712. The family links back to 
Capitao Jorge Correia Barbosa/Maria Vieira de Albernaz, AND, even further back 
on the Jacome Raposo link to Joao Jacome Raposo/ Francisca Roiz Cordeiro (abt 
1525). They may go back further, but, that's as far as I have. What's more, all 
of the surnames that have been mentioned in this thread are For REAL!!!

  On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:00:03 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: 1736


By the way, I think I may have found another child for Matheus da Costa in 
PG. And this will really make you scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the 
name Matheus de Araujo! And all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So 
I suggest that you start after this record and go forward in PG until you find 
Joao and/or all the other siblings. You may find as you go that they have 
settled on the names you know and recognize.




http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html



PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho de 
Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher Jozepha 
Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. Padrinhos- 
Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara  da Conceicao 
Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca


On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
  Ok.  I will take a further look.  If anyone comes across the birth record 
of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this 
thread about), please let me know.  I have been unable to locate it.

  On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da 
Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca 
mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married 
(1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are 
all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. 
Hope this helps.


JR

On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
  The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. 
As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da 
Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao 
da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his 
father was clearly Antonio da Roia.




  Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse 
Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after 
they married.


  JR


  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html


  On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
Understandably so, Joseph.



On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa  
wrote:

  I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage 
record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my 
ancestors' marriage record.  I still think that their marriage record is lost.



  On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente 
 wrote:


  > Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired.
  >
  > I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage 
record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783.  The record states his 
parents were both deceased and so they were.
  >
  > Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa 
 wrote:
  > Margaret and JR:  Here is  Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 
4th great grandfather).  He would be  Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother.  
Note that both parents (Matheus and Jos

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] occupation = Lutador

[Cheri Mello]

You're sure it's the occupation and not an alcunha after his name?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] occupation = Lutador

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I would love to hear the opinion of some native speakers about my ancestor from the 1600s whose occupation is mentioned as "lutador."It is defined as fighter or wrestler, but in a society (Terceira) where people are more concerned with feeding their families than entertainment, could this really be the meaning? Maybe a bull fighter, since Terceira does have them these days. But I was thinking maybe it's more like a soldier which is usually listed as soldado.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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