RE: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage record

[Erica Botelho]

Thank you Margaret. This nickname could keep the family entertained for a long 
time. I can’t wait to share it with my relatives. Maybe I will start a contest 
to see who can create the best story for how he acquired this nickname.

Thanks again,

Erica

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Margaret Vicente
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:33 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with marriage record

 

Hi Erica,

 

I'm reading "avintureiro" and this is after checking the priests writing.  
Modern writing would be aventureiro, which translates to "adventurer". 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila Franca do Campo - Madeira family

[Pam Santos]

I have a Jose dos Santos Madeira from SM Vila Franca do Campo he was born
on 22 Dec 1812, His father was Manuel dos Santos and was born in Madeira.
Later generations changed to Medeiros, family story says because his father
was from Madeira they added it to their names. If you find a connection let
me know.


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Steven McNamara wrote:

> The only information about this family came from the birth of Francisco
> Joaquim Madeira's daughter Helena born in Ponte Delgada
>
> Translation:
>
> Helena, legitimate daughter of Francisco Joaquim Madeira, who sells
> tableware/pottery, native of São Pedro, in Vila Franca do Campo, and Helena
> de Jesus, housewife, native of Água de Pau, both married in the village of
> Nossa Senhora da Conceição, in Ceará, Brazil, and they live in Rua da Fonte
> Velha, in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, paternal granddaugher of Manuel
> Joaquim Madeira and Maria do Rosário and maternal of Félix de Medeiros and
> Ana Joaquina, was born at 1:00am, on 30 July 1883 and was baptized on 1
> August, in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada. Godparents were José Raposo
> Macedo, widower, seller, and Mariana Júlia Macedo, single, housewife. The
> godparents can write.
>
> If you have any information about this family I would appriecate your help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steven
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Edna,
 
Have you had the Family Finder test? My de Lemos family was from Rosais but I 
found all the baptisms in Velas records on the CCA my great grandmother, 
Francisca Rosa de Lemos had 8 brothers and sisters all born in Sao Jorge. 
Many/most of them came to the states. I do have Machados in this 
line.perhaps we do have a connection! My grandmother and some of her 
siblings went to New Bedford.but I have little information regarding her 
siblings.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: dave-e...@comcast.net
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:05:46 -0700
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Nancy Jean...did you know that my maiden name was Lemos.  My ancestors are from 
Sao Jorge and were Machado there and then Machado de Lemos.  Most of my family 
was from Velas on Sao Jorge.  Rosemarie and I have a connection so I'm thinking 
that maybe you and I do as well?

Edna (dave-edna@comcast.netOh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His 
goodness, and for His wonderful works to the children of men!Psalm 107:21



On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:58 PM, rcapodc  wrote:





Nancy Jean, 
 
We'll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find 
a connection at some point (hopefully!). 
 
Rosemarie


 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge 
Baptism
 

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge 
linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's were always Silveira de Lemos  
until coming to the staes when they became just Lemos. My dads fathers line 
were 
Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still feel like our connection is in 
the 
de Lemos line but since mine were from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who 
knowshowever, I recently found one of my lines in Norte Grandenot de 
Lemos though, at least not apparently.
 
Nancy Jean
 



From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 
09:20:23 -0700






Nancy Jean, 
 
I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have 
tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth 
Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the grandfather's 
side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a 
Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the 
Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but 
it is making the trail so hard for us to follow!  
 
Talk to you again soon, Prima! 
Prima, Rosemarie 


 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge 
Baptism
 

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I know exactly what you mean with the 
frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! 
Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the 
gedcoms 
but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I 
just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they 
may 
fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used 
any 
other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering 
that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his 
brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list 
surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro 
and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall 
grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he 
used!
 
My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own 
MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family 
Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can 
see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or 
disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant 
cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be 
cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO 
interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were 
from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think 
was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads 
people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was 
from Sao Jorge! Oh dear...
 
Well, I'll never suffer from boredom 
since they'll always be another mystery to search.
 
Also, I see you 
are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John 
Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to 
Uncle John.
 
Best to you my cousin!
 
Nancy 
Je

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA - Translation Help please (Menoncas and Bettencourts)

[Lee]

Dano,

Thank you.  Part of my problem is that aim legally blind in one eye nod have 
had cataract surgeries in both.

At times the records are too light for me read and in some cases the words seem 
to run together.  Luckily, I can see better using my iPad because I can have it 
closer to me.

Again, thanks.  

Lee

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA - Translation Help please (Menoncas and Bettencourts)

[Dano]

Lee, I think I found the term that had you confused in Maria's baptism. The 
word is not "de funto," it is "de junto," and, it is a reference to the 
road that runs alongside the water. So the phrase reads:"  moradores no 
caminho de junto do mar."

On Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:37:46 PM UTC-4, Lee wrote:
>
> I would like some help with three baptisms that I have from Nossa Senhora 
> da Luz as follows:
>  
>  
> #1
> Anna - bottom of right page and top left of next page (images 
> #66/67 1811-1826)
> daughter of Manuel Antonio Hortins and Maria Josefa born ??? 1816 
> Maternos - incognito??? 
> Pateros  Antonion Jose Souza and Josefa Maria ???
> There are several other names after this and I can see paterna/maternas 
> again
> Are the grandparents correct as above or am I reading this completely 
> wrong?? (more than likely, I am!)
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826_item1/P66.html
>  (1st page)
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826_item1/P67.html
>  (second half of document)
>  
> #2 Anna  - middle or right page ((image#149 1767-1796) year of birth is 
> 1788
> daughter of Domingos Jose Bettencourt and Maria Atha/na??? y m?? ( I 
> cannot read this, my eyes just cannot make out what it says) 
>  
> As you can see, I need help with Maria's name.
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796_item1/P149.html
>  
> #3
> Maria - middle of left page (image #187 1767-1796 - born September 4, 1793)
> daughter of Antonio Correa de Mendonca and Maria de Jesus
> I can see the information about the fregusia, etc. but after that I see 
> the word defunto (deceased?) 
>  
> My question is - who is it saying is defunto? (deceased - or am I again, 
> reading it wrong???)
>  
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796_item1/P187.html
>  
>  
> Thank you.
>  
> Any/all help would be greatly appreciated!
>  
>  
>  
> Lee Estep in WV
>  
> Graciosa surnames - Mendonca, Bettencourt and Hortins (Ortins in the US)
> All from Nossa Senhora da Luz (so far)
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA - Translation Help please (Menoncas and Bettencourts)

[Dano]

Personally, Lee, I think you need to consult the tutorial on how to read 
Portuguese records, before you attempt to read any other records.

#1 Anna - you list Anna's father's surname as Hortins or Ortins, I would 
not read it that way, I would read it as* [Martins]* but, if your family 
has been using Hortins, or Ortins, then that is their name; Anna's mother, 
is Maria Josefa (womens' surnames are not normally listed in early 
records). The dates on the record *only* apply to the child. The date of 
birth is listed in full, while the baptism lists only the actual date of 
the event. There is* no one* "incognito" in this record.

#2 Anna - Once again, you are trying to read dates into places where they 
are not listed -  *The only dates on baptism narratives apply to the date 
of birth of the child, and the date of the event of baptism. *In this case 
19-Sep-1788 is the date of birth, and the baptism occured on the 20th day 
of the same month and year. You did get Anna's father's name correct, it is 
Domingos Jose Bettencourt; his wife's name is Maria de* [Athayde]*  - this 
is one of those circumstances where the woman's surname *was* listed.

#3 Maria - The words* "de funto"* don't appear in this narrative. The word 
after "Freguesia" is* "nasceo"* which means "born," and it then goes on to 
list the date of birth, and baptism.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vila Franca do Campo - Madeira family

[Steven McNamara]

The only information about this family came from the birth of Francisco 
Joaquim Madeira's daughter Helena born in Ponte Delgada

Translation:

Helena, legitimate daughter of Francisco Joaquim Madeira, who sells 
tableware/pottery, native of São Pedro, in Vila Franca do Campo, and Helena 
de Jesus, housewife, native of Água de Pau, both married in the village of 
Nossa Senhora da Conceição, in Ceará, Brazil, and they live in Rua da Fonte 
Velha, in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada, paternal granddaugher of Manuel 
Joaquim Madeira and Maria do Rosário and maternal of Félix de Medeiros and 
Ana Joaquina, was born at 1:00am, on 30 July 1883 and was baptized on 1 
August, in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada. Godparents were José Raposo 
Macedo, widower, seller, and Mariana Júlia Macedo, single, housewife. The 
godparents can write.

If you have any information about this family I would appriecate your help.

Thanks,

Steven

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[Edna Epps]

Nancy Jean...did you know that my maiden name was Lemos.  My ancestors are from 
Sao Jorge and were Machado there and then Machado de Lemos.  Most of my family 
was from Velas on Sao Jorge.  Rosemarie and I have a connection so I'm thinking 
that maybe you and I do as well?

Edna (dave-e...@comcast.net
Oh, that men would give thanks to the LORD for His goodness, and for His 
wonderful works to the children of men!
Psalm 107:21

On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:58 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

> Nancy Jean,
>  
> We'll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find a 
> connection at some point (hopefully!).
>  
> Rosemarie
>  
> From: nancy jean baptiste
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM
> To: azores group
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
>  
> Hi Rosemarie,
>  
> I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's 
> were always Silveira de Lemos  until coming to the staes when they became 
> just Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I 
> still feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were 
> from Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one 
> of my lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently.
>  
> Nancy Jean
>  
> From: rcap...@redshift.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700
> 
> Nancy Jean,
>  
> I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have 
> tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that 
> Kenneth Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the 
> grandfather's side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really 
> a Silva but a Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to 
> Silva but in the Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do 
> this, who knows but it is making the trail so hard for us to follow! 
>  
> Talk to you again soon, Prima!
> Prima, Rosemarie
>  
> From: nancy jean baptiste
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM
> To: azores group
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
>  
> Hi Rosemarie,
>  
> I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails 
> and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd 
> cousin ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I 
> think it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our 
> ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never 
> knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until 
> looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of 
> them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in 
> the states although he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that 
> match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and 
> on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall 
> grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he used!
>  
> My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead 
> of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I 
> never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it 
> would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or 
> disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been 
> distant cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that 
> would be cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had 
> NO interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people 
> were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we 
> think was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall 
> of dads people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather 
> who was from Sao Jorge! Oh dear...
>  
> Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery 
> to search.
>  
> Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote 
> on my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th 
> -remote but not to Uncle John.
>  
> Best to you my cousin!
>  
> Nancy Jean
>  
> From: rcap...@redshift.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700
> 
> Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would 
> mean that we are 'in common with' each other and Fawn. If we could just 
> figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not 
> connect!
>  
> Rosemarie
>  
>  
> From: nancy jean baptiste
> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
> To: azores group
> Su

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Families in Santa Barbara - Terceira: Machado Velho, F...

[bobcams...@aol.com via Azores Genealogy]

Hello Roberto.  My mothers family is from Santa Barbara, with the last  
name of da Costa.  Most if not all the family used the name of Manuel  Machado 
da Costa, other names in the family included Melo, Cardozo, d'Azevedo,  
Coelho, Bras, Goncalves Cota to name a few. all from Santa Barbara  Terceira.
 
Thank you
Bob Camacho

Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa,  Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island  of Graciosa for
Reis
Researching the Island  of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil  for
Evangelho

In a message dated 4/26/2014 8:21:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
rve...@gmail.com writes:

Hello,  


I am searching for the Families Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa,  
Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha and  Cardoso Velho in  the old  Parish of 
Santa Barbara - what is today Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara  and 
Cinco Ribeiras.


(Estou procurando/a procurar pelas Familias Machado Velho, Mendes,  
Ferreira da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha e Cardoso Velho na  
antiga 
Freguesia/Paroquia de Santa Barbara - ilha terceira - no que hoje sao  as 
freguesias de Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara e Cinco  Ribeiras).


My newer information is the death of the mother of my great-grandfather  in 
Canada De Nossa Senhora d'Ajuda, Santa Barbara, in 1909.
In 1875 she was living in Rua dos Pocos - Santa Barbara, with her son  
Antonio Machado Velho - my greatgrandfather - where all this research  started.
I have a note in a Marriage Certificate telling about the death of her  
daugther in 1945 - but this is not available on internet.


My oldest information is related to all the families I quoted before and  
today I have information on the marriages - 4 of them - happening in between  
1781 and 1794:
- Luiz Ignacio Mendes and Maria Josefa - 1781
- Francisco Machado Velho and Francisca Mariana - 1782
- Raimundo Ferreira da Costa and Maria Roza - 1794
- Sebastiao Jose da Costa and Anna Joaquina - 1793.
I also know that the sons of Raimundo and Sebastiao were connected in 4th  
degree in blood.


Does anyone recognize someone you have records or had seen before on your  
researches ?


Also would like to ask:
- Do you know if any person can get a death certificate just going to the  
Conservatoria ? I want to try to ask that one of 1945 quoted on top.  Do  
you know to which one I would to address in Terceira ?  One in Santa  Barbara 
or in Angra do Heroismo ?


- Do you know if all the archives of the Church in Santa Barbara are  
available on the Cultura Azores website ?  Is there any other kind of  archives 
that could provide information about Santa Barbara, like Certificates  of 
Properties  - houses or some kind of School, or any other thing was  being 
recorded in archives ?


- I tried to find the Archives in Universidade do Minho, that some people  
quoted in the group, but I cannot find archives for Terceira.  Are there  
any ?


- Are there any other archives for Terceira or the region of Santa  Barbara 
that I could look for ?


- I have used the "Rois/Confessados" list available in Cultura Azores for  
Santa Barbara - and that gave me a lot of information.  I am thinking of  
turning that list (mainly a Census of all Santa Barbara made by the priest in  
1875) in a listed - searchable - pdf file.  Does anyone has interest on  
that ?  Do you know where I could publish that so people could use it ?  
Cultura Azores receives submissions ?


- Does anyone has a text or pdf searchable version of the index of  
Marriages available to Santa Barbara ? It is not possible search names in the  
images available. I started to decompose that set of marriages in families, in  
case someone has interest.


- I believed that the name Machado Velho disappeared in Santa Barbara  
because my great-grandfather went to Brazil, his brother died early without  
sons/daughters and their 2 other sisters just either did not get married or  
changed their surnames to the ones of their husbands.  Do you know any  way I 
could track the sisters ? I could not find a marriage certificate to  them 
in the index of Santa Barbara - one is called Angelica (and there is just  
one Angelica, not the one I am searching) and the other one Maria (as you  
know, 40% of the women getting married by that time).


- Anyone knows if people asking for passports in Terceira would have them  
issued also in Terceira ?  And then the boats to Brazil and United States  
were leaving Terceira or some other Island nearby ?


- Does anyone has a map that tell the names of streets in Santa Barbara ?  
Google maps has still few and a reconstruct some by google maps street  view 
walking through them but I could not find several - also it is not clear  
the limit of them, as they bifurcate sometimes. 


I also would like to tell anyone that is searching information about Sao  
Bartolomeu, Santa Barbara (the old parish - including Cinco Ribeiras) and 
Doze  Ribeiras (the old Parish - including Serreta) that t

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Flights to Azores

[Antonio Roque]

www.sata.pt
To save you the hassle best fly from Bos-Ter 
Terceira to other Pico
Can do all your booking online
SATA has monopoly
SATA only airline flying to Acores so prices are OUTRAGEOUS 
Price structure is kind of funny make sure you read to know what is your 
baggage allowance
Have fun



On Saturday, April 26, 2014 12:26:38 PM UTC-4, Carol Warnock wrote:

> Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los 
> Angeles?  Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to 
> Terceria or should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want 
> to take in Pico de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of 
> the travel agent who arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego 
> Filarmonica Band Trip?  Any help would be appreciated! 
> Carol Silva Warnock 
> PS:  My daughter even suggested San Diego to Heathrow (London UK) then to 
> Lisbon then Terceira.
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My sister and I are leaving next week for the Azores.  We are flying from San 
Luis obispo to boston and then sata air to ponta Delgado.  In the summer, sata 
has direct flights to terceira from Oakland.   Since our time is limited and we 
wanted to visit 3 islands, we booked inter island flights instead Of ferry.  
Here,s hoping it all works!!

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> On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Carol Warnock  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los Angeles?  
> Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to Terceria or 
> should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want to take in Pico 
> de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of the travel agent 
> who arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego Filarmonica Band 
> Trip?  Any help would be appreciated! 
> Carol Silva Warnock 
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> Lisbon then Terceira.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[nancy jean baptiste]

Me too!
 
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:03:57 +







I think we found the line we "surmised" to be our connection but; I don't think 
we found anything concrete and no, I'm not sure now who it was.  I'll go back 
and try again...

Sent from Windows Mail
From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:01 PM
To: azores group
Ok Sam...I'll take a look! However, I'm not sure I'll understand any better 
than you do! Did you and I find our connection on paper before all this DNA? I 
thought we did but without going back through all of our back and forth emails 
I'm not sure..you may not remember any more than I do! That was quite a 
while ago!
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:49:08 +







Nancy Jean;  You are right, you should be added to the list to make 14 of us 
that seem to share the same dna.  Now, if I'm reading the Matriz correctly and 
there is a good chance I'm not!, we all share dna with a William "Bill" 
Antoine; however, not all of us share the same dna.  Don't know if I've 
expressed that correctly.  If you want to understand what I'm trying to say, go 
to ftdna ff and then down to Matrix.  Put all 13 names in the grid, you'll only 
be able to do 10 at a time. See if you come to the same conclusion as I or am I 
just not understanding what it is telling me?
Hope you can understand this better than I, Sam

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From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:25 PM
To: azores group
Hi Sam,
 
Interesting that neither Uncle John or I show up as a match to you.I 
thought we actually determined a common ancestor a good while agoor I am I 
mistaken?
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Sam,
I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The Sharp 
name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her 
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.

"E"

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:









Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn't you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?

Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)


William Coelho


Alfred Rose

William (Bill) Antoine

Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)

Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)

Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact:
Veronica)

Shirley Adene Cooley

David Maria Do Carmo

Geraldine Martin

Buzzie Mendonca

Sharon Pereira-Driscoll

Danae Andrea Sharp

Emil Henry Silveira





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[aportu...@yahoo.com via Azores Genealogy]

I think we found the line we “surmised” to be our connection but; I don’t think 
we found anything concrete and no, I’m not sure now who it was.  I’ll go back 
and try again…






Sent from Windows Mail





From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎April‎ ‎26‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎01‎ ‎PM
To: azores group





Ok Sam...I'll take a look! However, I'm not sure I'll understand any better 
than you do! Did you and I find our connection on paper before all this DNA? I 
thought we did but without going back through all of our back and forth emails 
I'm not sure..you may not remember any more than I do! That was quite a 
while ago!
 
Nancy Jean
 



From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:49:08 +


Nancy Jean;  You are right, you should be added to the list to make 14 of us 
that seem to share the same dna.  Now, if I’m reading the Matriz correctly and 
there is a good chance I’m not!, we all share dna with a William “Bill” 
Antoine; however, not all of us share the same dna.  Don’t know if I’ve 
expressed that correctly.  If you want to understand what I’m trying to say, go 
to ftdna ff and then down to Matrix.  Put all 13 names in the grid, you’ll only 
be able to do 10 at a time. See if you come to the same conclusion as I or am I 
just not understanding what it is telling me?




Hope you can understand this better than I, Sam






Sent from Windows Mail





From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:25 PM
To: azores group





Hi Sam,
 
Interesting that neither Uncle John or I show up as a match to you.I 
thought we actually determined a common ancestor a good while agoor I am I 
mistaken?
 
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com



Sam,




I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The Sharp 
name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her 
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.




"E"




On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:




Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn’t you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?
Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)


William Coelho 
Alfred Rose
William (Bill) Antoine
Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)
Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)
Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact: Veronica)
Shirley Adene Cooley
David Maria Do Carmo
Geraldine Martin
Buzzie Mendonca
Sharon Pereira-Driscoll
Danae Andrea Sharp
Emil Henry Silveira









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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[nancy jean baptiste]

Ok Sam...I'll take a look! However, I'm not sure I'll understand any better 
than you do! Did you and I find our connection on paper before all this DNA? I 
thought we did but without going back through all of our back and forth emails 
I'm not sure..you may not remember any more than I do! That was quite a 
while ago!
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: azores@googlegroups.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:49:08 +







Nancy Jean;  You are right, you should be added to the list to make 14 of us 
that seem to share the same dna.  Now, if I'm reading the Matriz correctly and 
there is a good chance I'm not!, we all share dna with a William "Bill" 
Antoine; however, not all of us share the same dna.  Don't know if I've 
expressed that correctly.  If you want to understand what I'm trying to say, go 
to ftdna ff and then down to Matrix.  Put all 13 names in the grid, you'll only 
be able to do 10 at a time. See if you come to the same conclusion as I or am I 
just not understanding what it is telling me?
Hope you can understand this better than I, Sam

Sent from Windows Mail
From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:25 PM
To: azores group
Hi Sam,
 
Interesting that neither Uncle John or I show up as a match to you.I 
thought we actually determined a common ancestor a good while agoor I am I 
mistaken?
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Sam,
I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The Sharp 
name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her 
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.

"E"

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:









Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn't you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?

Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)


William Coelho


Alfred Rose

William (Bill) Antoine

Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)

Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)

Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact:
Veronica)

Shirley Adene Cooley

David Maria Do Carmo

Geraldine Martin

Buzzie Mendonca

Sharon Pereira-Driscoll

Danae Andrea Sharp

Emil Henry Silveira





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[aportu...@yahoo.com via Azores Genealogy]

Nancy Jean;  You are right, you should be added to the list to make 14 of us 
that seem to share the same dna.  Now, if I’m reading the Matriz correctly and 
there is a good chance I’m not!, we all share dna with a William “Bill” 
Antoine; however, not all of us share the same dna.  Don’t know if I’ve 
expressed that correctly.  If you want to understand what I’m trying to say, go 
to ftdna ff and then down to Matrix.  Put all 13 names in the grid, you’ll only 
be able to do 10 at a time. See if you come to the same conclusion as I or am I 
just not understanding what it is telling me?


Hope you can understand this better than I, Sam






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From: nancy jean baptiste
Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎April‎ ‎26‎, ‎2014 ‎2‎:‎25‎ ‎PM
To: azores group





Hi Sam,
 
Interesting that neither Uncle John or I show up as a match to you.I 
thought we actually determined a common ancestor a good while agoor I am I 
mistaken?
 
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com



Sam,




I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The Sharp 
name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her 
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.




"E"




On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:




Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn’t you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?

Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)


William Coelho 
Alfred Rose
William (Bill) Antoine
Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)
Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)
Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact: Veronica)
Shirley Adene Cooley
David Maria Do Carmo
Geraldine Martin
Buzzie Mendonca
Sharon Pereira-Driscoll
Danae Andrea Sharp
Emil Henry Silveira








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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

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Elaine;  I have tried responding to you at both the Hotmail and the gmail addy 
but; both bounced back.  My email is:  aportu...@yahoo.com   Looking forward to 
hearing from you, Sam






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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[rcapodc]

Nancy Jean, 

We’ll just keep on truckin and fleshing out the lines. We are bound to find a 
connection at some point (hopefully!). 

Rosemarie

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 2:33 PM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's 
were always Silveira de Lemos  until coming to the staes when they became just 
Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still 
feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were from 
Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one of my 
lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently.
 
Nancy Jean
 



From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700


Nancy Jean, 

I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have 
tested my Mom too and now it’s too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth 
Silva is connected to me on my grandmother’s side and also the grandfather’s 
side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a 
Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the 
Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but 
it is making the trail so hard for us to follow!  

Talk to you again soon, Prima! 
Prima, Rosemarie 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails 
and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin 
ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think 
it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral 
habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my 
ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the 
baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his 
fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although 
he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially 
Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name 
which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong 
with 3 other surnames he used!
 
My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of 
my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never 
thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have 
been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what 
I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without 
knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by 
thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection 
I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT 
her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so 
that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico 
and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh 
dear...
 
Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to 
search.
 
Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on 
my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th 
-remote but not to Uncle John.
 
Best to you my cousin!
 
Nancy Jean
 



From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700


Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would 
mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure 
this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! 

Rosemarie 


From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he 
shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have 
thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. 
I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote 
match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Muito obrigado, Sr. Ventura!

[Tomas Leal]

Friday I attended an all-day workshop led by João Ventura on methods for 
tracing ancestry through Portuguese records, particularly Azorean records. 
The workshop was wonderful and João's formidable skills were apparent. I 
was so happy to meet and talk with a list member with so much expertise 
that he so willingly shared with us. I learned so much!

The workshop was part of a four-day Annual Conference on 
Portuguese-American Education and Culture presented by the Luso-American 
Education Foundation and hosted by U.C. Berkeley, which this years 
celebrated the fortieth anniversary of the "Carnation Revolution."  It was 
attended by the Consuls General of Portugal and Brazil, the representative 
of the Governo Regional dos Açores, and several Portuguese language and 
studies instructors. I had a great time brushing up my Portuguese is 
preparation for my next trip to the paradise in the Atlantic in May.

Muito obrigado, João Ventura, por sua generosidade! e valiosas. Estou tão 
feliz para se encontrâ-lhe e aprender tanta informação valiosa.

Tomás Leal

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I have many Silveira in my Sao Jorge linesboth mom's and dad's. My mom's 
were always Silveira de Lemos  until coming to the staes when they became just 
Lemos. My dads fathers line were Silveira Leonardes and just Silveira. I still 
feel like our connection is in the de Lemos line but since mine were from 
Rosais and yours Norte Grande who knowshowever, I recently found one of my 
lines in Norte Grandenot de Lemos though, at least not apparently.
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:20:23 -0700







Nancy Jean, 
 
I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have 
tested my Mom too and now it's too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth 
Silva is connected to me on my grandmother's side and also the grandfather's 
side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a 
Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the 
Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but 
it is making the trail so hard for us to follow!  
 
Talk to you again soon, Prima! 
Prima, Rosemarie 


 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge 
Baptism
 

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I know exactly what you mean with the 
frustration regarding good paper trails and can't find the connection! 
Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin ones! I see clues in the 
gedcoms 
but nothing definitivein truth I think it's right in front of my eyes but I 
just don't know it due to our ancestral habit of adopting whatever name they 
may 
fancy at the time. I never knew my ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used 
any 
other name until looking at the baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering 
that on one of them he used his fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his 
brothers used in the states although he never did. So many of my matches list 
surnames that match mineespecially Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro 
and on and on..I see the Veira name which is one of the names my brick wall 
grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong with 3 other surnames he 
used!
 
My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own 
MTDNA instead of my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family 
Finder and I never thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can 
see it would have been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or 
disproven what I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant 
cousins without knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be 
cleared up by thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO 
interisland connection I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were 
from Sao Jorge EXCEPT her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think 
was a Gracia.so that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads 
people were from Pico and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was 
from Sao Jorge! Oh dear...
 
Well, I'll never suffer from boredom 
since they'll always be another mystery to search.
 
Also, I see you 
are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on my Uncle John 
Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th -remote but not to 
Uncle John.
 
Best to you my cousin!
 
Nancy 
Jean
 



From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 
[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 
08:25:36 -0700






Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this 
would mean that we are 'in common with' each other and Fawn. If we could just 
figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not 
connect! 
 
Rosemarie 
 


 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge 
Baptism
 

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is 
improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match 
Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my 
uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's 
a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva 
who 
is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best 
regards,
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help 
with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: 
azores@googlegroups.com



A belated thank you to those who helped me with this.  My father had a 
stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank 
you for your help and ideas.
 
Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is 
on the site as Buzzie Mendonca.  My husband

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Sam,
 
Interesting that neither Uncle John or I show up as a match to you.I 
thought we actually determined a common ancestor a good while agoor I am I 
mistaken?
 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 14:10:23 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list
From: bellema...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Sam,
I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The Sharp 
name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her 
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.

"E"

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:









Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn't you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?

Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)


William Coelho


Alfred Rose

William (Bill) Antoine

Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)

Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)

Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact:
Veronica)

Shirley Adene Cooley

David Maria Do Carmo

Geraldine Martin

Buzzie Mendonca

Sharon Pereira-Driscoll

Danae Andrea Sharp

Emil Henry Silveira




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

["E" Sharp]

Sam,

I cannot find your email addy.  Can you send it to my email addy?  The
Sharp name intrigued me and I think I have some info on this person and her
Portuguese  maiden name.  She married a Sharp.  No relation.

"E"


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 12:02 PM, aportugee via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>  Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The
> 13 people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred
> Rose are 2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to
> Machado on the island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared
> notes and gedcoms, wouldn’t you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is
> up on FTDNA and I know some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest
> of the 13 who do not have there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we
> might find the link?
>
> Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam
> (wandering around the U.S. in search of a home)
>
>
> William Coelho
>
> Alfred Rose
>
> William (Bill) Antoine
>
> Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)
>
> Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)
>
> Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact: Veronica)
>
> Shirley Adene Cooley
>
> David Maria Do Carmo
>
> Geraldine Martin
>
> Buzzie Mendonca
>
> Sharon Pereira-Driscoll
>
> Danae Andrea Sharp
>
> Emil Henry Silveira
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Relationship of 13 people on list

[aportugee via Azores Genealogy]

Hello list;  I just ran a comparison on FTDNA Family Finder Matrix.  The 13 
people below are shown as matches.  I know William Coelho and Alfred Rose are 
2nd cousins.  The line goes from Fraga back to Silveira back to Machado on the 
island of Sao Jorge.  My thought is, if the 13 of s compared notes and gedcoms, 
wouldn’t you think we could find the link?  My gedcom is up on FTDNA and I know 
some of the others are as well.  Perhaps if the rest of the 13 who do not have 
there gedcoms posted on FTDNA would post them, we might find the link?


Does anyone else have an idea how to figure this out?  Thanks, Sam (wandering 
around the U.S. in search of a home)

William Coelho

Alfred Rose

William (Bill) Antoine

Dennis Silva (Contact: Fawn)

Manuel Soares Cunha (c/o Helen)

Adeline Marie Amaral (Contact: Veronica)

Shirley Adene Cooley

David Maria Do Carmo

Geraldine Martin

Buzzie Mendonca

Sharon Pereira-Driscoll

Danae Andrea Sharp

Emil Henry Silveira






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[AZORES-Genealogy] GRACIOSA - Translation Help please (Menoncas and Bettencourts)

[Lee]

I would like some help with three baptisms that I have from Nossa Senhora 
da Luz as follows:
 
 
#1
Anna - bottom of right page and top left of next page (images 
#66/67 1811-1826)
daughter of Manuel Antonio Hortins and Maria Josefa born ??? 1816 
Maternos - incognito??? 
Pateros  Antonion Jose Souza and Josefa Maria ???
There are several other names after this and I can see paterna/maternas 
again
Are the grandparents correct as above or am I reading this completely 
wrong?? (more than likely, I am!)
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826_item1/P66.html
 (1st page)
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1811-1826_item1/P67.html
 (second half of document)
 
#2 Anna  - middle or right page ((image#149 1767-1796) year of birth is 1788
daughter of Domingos Jose Bettencourt and Maria Atha/na??? y m?? ( I 
cannot read this, my eyes just cannot make out what it says) 
 
As you can see, I need help with Maria's name.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796_item1/P149.html
 
#3
Maria - middle of left page (image #187 1767-1796 - born September 4, 1793)
daughter of Antonio Correa de Mendonca and Maria de Jesus
I can see the information about the fregusia, etc. but after that I see the 
word defunto (deceased?) 
 
My question is - who is it saying is defunto? (deceased - or am I again, 
reading it wrong???)
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796/GRA-SC-LUZ-B-1767-1796_item1/P187.html
 
 
Thank you.
 
Any/all help would be greatly appreciated!
 
 
 
Lee Estep in WV
 
Graciosa surnames - Mendonca, Bettencourt and Hortins (Ortins in the US)
All from Nossa Senhora da Luz (so far)
 
 
 
 
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Families in Santa Barbara - Terceira: Machado Velho, Ferreira da Costa, Mendes, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha, Cardoso Velho

[terceira]

Ola Roberto,You have lots of interesting questions.I do my research in all these freguesias and know all these families.And we are related in many ways, which I can say without even looking. Of course by Rocha, but probably in many other ways, though probably also remotely.One thing I can mention is that anyone can obtain a copy of the obitos from the registo civil.I would like to encourage you to get the Family Finder DNA test. It would be very interesting to see if the paper trails we can use to prove our connections are also backed up by DNA evidence. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I wrote about it on my website here: http://www.dholmes.com/dna.htmlThe link you mentioned sounds interesting. I'll have to check that out.Atenciosamente,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaTerceira Genealogist916-550-1618Website: www.dholmes.com


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 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Families in Santa Barbara - Terceira: Machado Velho, Ferreira da Costa, Mendes, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha, Cardoso Velho From: Roberto Machado Velho  Date: Sat, April 26, 2014 2:39 am To: azores@googlegroups.com  Hello,I am searching for the Families Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha and  Cardoso Velho in  the old Parish of Santa Barbara - what is today Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara and Cinco Ribeiras.(Estou procurando/a procurar pelas Familias Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha e Cardoso Velho na antiga Freguesia/Paroquia de Santa Barbara - ilha terceira - no que hoje sao as freguesias de Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara e Cinco Ribeiras).My newer information is the death of the mother of my great-grandfather in Canada De Nossa Senhora d'Ajuda, Santa Barbara, in 1909.In 1875 she was living in Rua dos Pocos - Santa Barbara, with her son Antonio Machado Velho - my greatgrandfather - where all this research started.I have a note in a Marriage Certificate telling about the death of her daugther in 1945 - but this is not available on internet.My oldest information is related to all the families I quoted before and today I have information on the marriages - 4 of them - happening in between 1781 and 1794:- Luiz Ignacio Mendes and Maria Josefa - 1781- Francisco Machado Velho and Francisca Mariana - 1782- Raimundo Ferreira da Costa and Maria Roza - 1794- Sebastiao Jose da Costa and Anna Joaquina - 1793.I also know that the sons of Raimundo and Sebastiao were connected in 4th degree in blood.Does anyone recognize someone you have records or had seen before on your researches ?Also would like to ask:- Do you know if any person can get a death certificate just going to the Conservatoria ? I want to try to ask that one of 1945 quoted on top.  Do you know to which one I would to address in Terceira ?  One in Santa Barbara or in Angra do Heroismo ?- Do you know if all the archives of the Church in Santa Barbara are available on the Cultura Azores website ?  Is there any other kind of archives that could provide information about Santa Barbara, like Certificates of Properties  - houses or some kind of School, or any other thing was being recorded in archives ?- I tried to find the Archives in Universidade do Minho, that some people quoted in the group, but I cannot find archives for Terceira.  Are there any ?- Are there any other archives for Terceira or the region of Santa Barbara that I could look for ?- I have used the "Rois/Confessados" list available in Cultura Azores for Santa Barbara - and that gave me a lot of information.  I am thinking of turning that list (mainly a Census of all Santa Barbara made by the priest in 1875) in a listed - searchable - pdf file.  Does anyone has interest on that ?  Do you know where I could publish that so people could use it ?  Cultura Azores receives submissions ?- Does anyone has a text or pdf searchable version of the index of Marriages available to Santa Barbara ? It is not possible search names in the images available. I started to decompose that set of marriages in families, in case someone has interest.- I believed that the name Machado Velho disappeared in Santa Barbara because my great-grandfather went to Brazil, his brother died early without sons/daughters and their 2 other sisters just either did not get married or changed their surnames to the ones of their husbands.  Do you know any way I could track the sisters ? I could not find a marriage certificate to them in the index of Santa Barbara - one is called Angelica (and there is just one Angelica, not the one I am searching) and the other one Maria (as you know, 40% of the women getting married by that time).- Anyone knows if people asking for passports in Terceira would have them issued also in Terceira ?  And then the boats to Brazil and United States were leaving Terceira or some other Island nearby ?- Does anyone has a map that tell the names of streets in Santa Barbara ?  Google maps 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores

["E" Sharp]

Carol,

Here is a good blog to check out:

http://tourazores.com/2012/11/getting-to-the-azores-from-the-us-2013/

"E"


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:51 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Carol,
>
> You could fly SATA from Oakland.  I am not sure day(s) of week they fly
> from there and where they fly into but a check on SATA site should tell you
> this.  Also, SATA is using US airlines as connections thru some of
> the locations Nancy Jean mentioned.  I try to post these whenever I see
> them.  They also have some great fly/hotel packages and interisland flights
> as well as Lisbon.  Their site is:
> https://www.sata.pt/en/content/home-page?gclid=CIr1rd3N_r0CFcmSfgodf3gAmg
> Just go there and play around with the possibilities of which island(s) you
> want to visit.  Lots of fun!!
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
> fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Carol,
>>
>> SATA has recently lowered rates. Since I'm in the center of the
>> country in my opinion through BostonI don't like to fly to Terceira
>> (except to visit with Joao Ventura!) because you arrive early am and can't
>> fly to Pico until around 5 in the afternoonwhen flying from Boston to
>> Ponta Delgada you land early am and then there's a plane to Pico around
>> 9am. If you were to visit in Terceira for a few days that would be
>> different but when trying to get right to Pico it makes for a very long day!
>>
>> Best to you,
>> Nancy Jean
>>
>> --
>> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:26:38 -0700
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores
>> From: cdwarn...@gmail.com
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los
>> Angeles?  Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to
>> Terceria or should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want
>> to take in Pico de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of
>> the travel agent who arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego
>> Filarmonica Band Trip?  Any help would be appreciated!
>> Carol Silva Warnock
>> PS:  My daughter even suggested San Diego to Heathrow (London UK) then to
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores

["E" Sharp]

Carol,

You could fly SATA from Oakland.  I am not sure day(s) of week they fly
from there and where they fly into but a check on SATA site should tell you
this.  Also, SATA is using US airlines as connections thru some of
the locations Nancy Jean mentioned.  I try to post these whenever I see
them.  They also have some great fly/hotel packages and interisland flights
as well as Lisbon.  Their site is:
https://www.sata.pt/en/content/home-page?gclid=CIr1rd3N_r0CFcmSfgodf3gAmg
Just go there and play around with the possibilities of which island(s) you
want to visit.  Lots of fun!!

"E"


On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:40 AM, nancy jean baptiste <
fishsongf...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Carol,
>
> SATA has recently lowered rates. Since I'm in the center of the country in
> my opinion through BostonI don't like to fly to Terceira (except to
> visit with Joao Ventura!) because you arrive early am and can't fly to Pico
> until around 5 in the afternoonwhen flying from Boston to Ponta Delgada
> you land early am and then there's a plane to Pico around 9am. If you were
> to visit in Terceira for a few days that would be different but when trying
> to get right to Pico it makes for a very long day!
>
> Best to you,
> Nancy Jean
>
> --
> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:26:38 -0700
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores
> From: cdwarn...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
>
> Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los
> Angeles?  Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to
> Terceria or should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want
> to take in Pico de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of
> the travel agent who arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego
> Filarmonica Band Trip?  Any help would be appreciated!
> Carol Silva Warnock
> PS:  My daughter even suggested San Diego to Heathrow (London UK) then to
> Lisbon then Terceira.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Carol,
 
SATA has recently lowered rates. Since I'm in the center of the country in my 
opinion through BostonI don't like to fly to Terceira (except to visit with 
Joao Ventura!) because you arrive early am and can't fly to Pico until around 5 
in the afternoonwhen flying from Boston to Ponta Delgada you land early am 
and then there's a plane to Pico around 9am. If you were to visit in Terceira 
for a few days that would be different but when trying to get right to Pico it 
makes for a very long day!
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 09:26:38 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores
From: cdwarn...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los Angeles?  
Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to Terceria or 
should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want to take in Pico 
de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of the travel agent who 
arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego Filarmonica Band Trip?  
Any help would be appreciated! 

Carol Silva Warnock 
PS:  My daughter even suggested San Diego to Heathrow (London UK) then to 
Lisbon then Terceira.





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Flights to Azores

[Carol Warnock]

Does anyone know what is the best way to fly to the Azores from Los
Angeles?  Would it be through Boston,Toronto or NYC and flying directly to
Terceria or should we go through Lisbon to Terceirra?  We especially want
to take in Pico de Lajes and Madeleina. Does anyone remeember the name of
the travel agent who arrranged the Artesia DES Band trip or the San Diego
Filarmonica Band Trip?  Any help would be appreciated!
Carol Silva Warnock
PS:  My daughter even suggested San Diego to Heathrow (London UK) then to
Lisbon then Terceira.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[rcapodc]

Nancy Jean, 

I sympathize with you! I feel the same about the connections. I should have 
tested my Mom too and now it’s too late. The hard thing for me is that Kenneth 
Silva is connected to me on my grandmother’s side and also the grandfather’s 
side! double cousin but a generation off. He also is not really a Silva but a 
Silveira! All of the brothers that came her chopped it down to Silva but in the 
Old Country is really Silveira de Azevedo! Why did they do this, who knows but 
it is making the trail so hard for us to follow!  

Talk to you again soon, Prima! 
Prima, Rosemarie 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:14 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails 
and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin 
ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think 
it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral 
habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my 
ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the 
baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his 
fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although 
he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially 
Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name 
which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong 
with 3 other surnames he used!
 
My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of 
my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never 
thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have 
been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what 
I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without 
knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by 
thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection 
I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT 
her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so 
that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico 
and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh 
dear...
 
Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to 
search.
 
Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on 
my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th 
-remote but not to Uncle John.
 
Best to you my cousin!
 
Nancy Jean
 



From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700


Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would 
mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure 
this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! 

Rosemarie 


From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he 
shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have 
thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. 
I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote 
match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com


A belated thank you to those who helped me with this.  My father had a stroke & 
I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and 
ideas.

Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site 
as Buzzie Mendonca.  My husband has a number of family lines that link to 
Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande.

Thanks again,
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:

  I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to 
Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't 
noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John 
Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote.
   
  Nancy Jean
   


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Rosemarie,
 
I know exactly what you mean with the frustration regarding good paper trails 
and can't find the connection! Especially frustrating on the 2nd to 3rd cousin 
ones! I see clues in the gedcoms but nothing definitivein truth I think 
it's right in front of my eyes but I just don't know it due to our ancestral 
habit of adopting whatever name they may fancy at the time. I never knew my 
ggrandfather, Manuel Furtado Cardoso used any other name until looking at the 
baptisms of his children on CCA and discovering that on one of them he used his 
fathers name of Silva.which 2 of his brothers used in the states although 
he never did. So many of my matches list surnames that match mineespecially 
Cardoso, Silva, Gracia, Andrade, Castro and on and on..I see the Veira name 
which is one of the names my brick wall grandfather, Jose Enos usedalong 
with 3 other surnames he used!
 
My biggest regret with this DNA stuff is that I tested my own MTDNA instead of 
my mothers..at the time I tested there wasn't any Family Finder and I never 
thought I'd need moms..alas, now it's too late and I can see it would have 
been a wealth of knowledge..it also would have proven or disproven what 
I've come to suspect, that my mom and dad may have been distant cousins without 
knowing it! There are so many shades of grey that would be cleared up by 
thatat least I think they would. If they only had NO interisland connection 
I could eliminate better...but all of mom's people were from Sao Jorge EXCEPT 
her paternal grandmother who was from Pico and we think was a Gracia.so 
that gives her a potential Pico connectionall of dads people were from Pico 
and Santa Maria EXCEPT his paternal grandfather who was from Sao Jorge! Oh 
dear...
 
Well, I'll never suffer from boredom since they'll always be another mystery to 
search.
 
Also, I see you are the contact for Kenneth Silva who shows up as 4th-remote on 
my Uncle John Baptiste.but not on me.yet you show up on me as 5th 
-remote but not to Uncle John.
 
Best to you my cousin!
 
Nancy Jean
 
From: rcap...@redshift.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 08:25:36 -0700







Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this 
would mean that we are 'in common with' each other and Fawn. If we could just 
figure this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not 
connect! 
 
Rosemarie 
 


 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge 
Baptism
 

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is 
improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match 
Buzzie Mendonca.he shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my 
uncle.I would have thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's 
a generation earlier. I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva 
who 
is a 4th-remote match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best 
regards,
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help 
with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: 
azores@googlegroups.com



A belated thank you to those who helped me with this.  My father had a 
stroke & I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank 
you for your help and ideas.
 
Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is 
on the site as Buzzie Mendonca.  My husband has a number of family lines 
that link to Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande.
 
Thanks again,
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste 
 wrote:


  
  I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have 
  connections to Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my 
  names. I haven't noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my 
  uncle, John Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to 
  remote.
 
Nancy Jean
 

  
  
  Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help 
  with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: busybo...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  
  

It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira 
  Bettencourt) baptized the child because they thought he might die. Witnesses 
  were (my guess) Jose de Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de 
  Bettencourt.  
   
  I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus 
  a DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I 
  don't see an immediate connection to these people. :)

   
  Mary

On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> 
  wrote:

  

Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that
 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html
 
Thank you, Doug and Antonio.

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[rcapodc]

Nancy Jean, I connect to Buzzie and Dennis Wilbert Silva too. So, this would 
mean that we are ‘in common with’ each other and Fawn. If we could just figure 
this out, so frustrating to have a large paper trail and still not connect! 

Rosemarie 


From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:58 AM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he 
shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have 
thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. 
I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote 
match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 



Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com


A belated thank you to those who helped me with this.  My father had a stroke & 
I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and 
ideas.

Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site 
as Buzzie Mendonca.  My husband has a number of family lines that link to 
Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande.

Thanks again,
Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO



On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:

  I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to 
Rosais and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't 
noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John 
Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote.
   
  Nancy Jean
   


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  Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
  From: busybo...@gmail.com
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 


  It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the 
child because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de 
Souza Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt.  

  I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a 
DNA match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't 
see an immediate connection to these people. :)


  Mary

  On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html

Thank you, Doug and Antonio.

Fawn Silva
St. Louis, MO



On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Hi Everyone,

  I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site.  It is for 
Antonio, son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina 
Rosa, native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized 
on the 29th in the home.  I don't know what the rest says & google translate is 
absolutely no help on this one.  I see witnesses but no padrinhos.  Did this 
child die?  I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in 
the home?  The baptism is on the top left of the pg.

  Help!  Please.

  Thanks,
  Fawn Silva
  St. Louis, MO


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Families in Santa Barbara - Terceira: Machado Velho, Ferreira da Costa, Mendes, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha, Cardoso Velho

[Roberto Machado Velho]

Hello,

I am searching for the Families Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira da Costa, 
Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha and  Cardoso Velho in  the old Parish of 
Santa Barbara - what is today Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara and 
Cinco Ribeiras.

(Estou procurando/a procurar pelas Familias Machado Velho, Mendes, Ferreira 
da Costa, Cardozo da Rocha, Cardoso da Rocha e Cardoso Velho na antiga 
Freguesia/Paroquia de Santa Barbara - ilha terceira - no que hoje sao as 
freguesias de Serreta, Doze Ribeiras, Santa Barbara e Cinco Ribeiras).

My newer information is the death of the mother of my great-grandfather 
in Canada De Nossa Senhora d'Ajuda, Santa Barbara, in 1909.
In 1875 she was living in Rua dos Pocos - Santa Barbara, with her son 
Antonio Machado Velho - my greatgrandfather - where all this research 
started.
I have a note in a Marriage Certificate telling about the death of her 
daugther in 1945 - but this is not available on internet.

My oldest information is related to all the families I quoted before and 
today I have information on the marriages - 4 of them - happening in 
between 1781 and 1794:
- Luiz Ignacio Mendes and Maria Josefa - 1781
- Francisco Machado Velho and Francisca Mariana - 1782
- Raimundo Ferreira da Costa and Maria Roza - 1794
- Sebastiao Jose da Costa and Anna Joaquina - 1793.
I also know that the sons of Raimundo and Sebastiao were connected in 4th 
degree in blood.

Does anyone recognize someone you have records or had seen before on your 
researches ?

Also would like to ask:
- Do you know if any person can get a death certificate just going to the 
Conservatoria ? I want to try to ask that one of 1945 quoted on top.  Do 
you know to which one I would to address in Terceira ?  One in Santa 
Barbara or in Angra do Heroismo ?

- Do you know if all the archives of the Church in Santa Barbara are 
available on the Cultura Azores website ?  Is there any other kind of 
archives that could provide information about Santa Barbara, like 
Certificates of Properties  - houses or some kind of School, or any other 
thing was being recorded in archives ?

- I tried to find the Archives in Universidade do Minho, that some people 
quoted in the group, but I cannot find archives for Terceira.  Are there 
any ?

- Are there any other archives for Terceira or the region of Santa Barbara 
that I could look for ?

- I have used the "Rois/Confessados" list available in Cultura Azores for 
Santa Barbara - and that gave me a lot of information.  I am thinking of 
turning that list (mainly a Census of all Santa Barbara made by the priest 
in 1875) in a listed - searchable - pdf file.  Does anyone has interest on 
that ?  Do you know where I could publish that so people could use it ? 
 Cultura Azores receives submissions ?

- Does anyone has a text or pdf searchable version of the index of 
Marriages available to Santa Barbara ? It is not possible search names in 
the images available. I started to decompose that set of marriages in 
families, in case someone has interest.

- I believed that the name Machado Velho disappeared in Santa Barbara 
because my great-grandfather went to Brazil, his brother died early without 
sons/daughters and their 2 other sisters just either did not get married or 
changed their surnames to the ones of their husbands.  Do you know any way 
I could track the sisters ? I could not find a marriage certificate to them 
in the index of Santa Barbara - one is called Angelica (and there is just 
one Angelica, not the one I am searching) and the other one Maria (as you 
know, 40% of the women getting married by that time).

- Anyone knows if people asking for passports in Terceira would have them 
issued also in Terceira ?  And then the boats to Brazil and United States 
were leaving Terceira or some other Island nearby ?

- Does anyone has a map that tell the names of streets in Santa Barbara ? 
 Google maps has still few and a reconstruct some by google maps street 
view walking through them but I could not find several - also it is not 
clear the limit of them, as they bifurcate sometimes. 

I also would like to tell anyone that is searching information about Sao 
Bartolomeu, Santa Barbara (the old parish - including Cinco Ribeiras) and 
Doze Ribeiras (the old Parish - including Serreta) that there is an article 
from Jose Avelino Rocha dos Santos that describes the "Enxurrada de 1813" 
in the parishes above.  It tells information about people that died, list 
people that have their properties destroyed and have sometimes information 
about ladies that were already widow. It is available here:
https://repositorio.uac.pt/handle/10400.3/344

If anyone has an intersection of interest in such names on top, please let 
me know and I would love to interchange some information.

Thank you in advance for any information, and sorry for such long email,
(Obrigado de antemao por qualquer informacao),

Roberto Machado Velho
Born in Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
Living in Lisbon - Portugal

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Street address House number, for Azores

[Dano]

Tanya, the records which would list addresses in the narrative, would be 
"obitos." Having said that, I have no idea, whatsoever, when the practice 
started - I'm thinking, probably, when Civil Registration began, because 
that era ushered in many new policies, ordered by law. Perhaps someone can 
help us with that. 

On Friday, April 25, 2014 4:50:12 PM UTC-4, tanya808smith wrote:
>
> Aloha,
>
> Does anyone know which type of records would include addresses / house 
> numbers etc. I'm talking about older records 1800 -1900? I already have the 
> church but would love to get something more.  I was wondering if I could be 
> lucky enough to try and locate some connection to my family from Candelaria 
> or Ginetes.  I'm visiting the area this June.
>
> My Mothers paternal side:
>
>
> Henrique Jose Rapozo de Amaral  - Portugal
> Sp Geronima Maria - Portugal
>
> Children:
> Manoel Rapozo de Amaral b. 1826 Candalaria, Sao Miguel, d. 1904 HI 
> SP. Maria Agusta De Jesus Duarte b. 1830 Ginetes, Sao Miguel d. 1922 HI
>
> Thank you,
>
> Tanya Smith
>
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Fawn,
 
I hope your father is improving.
 
Both myself and my Uncle John Cardoza Baptiste match Buzzie Mendonca.he 
shows as 4th -remote match to me and 5th-remote to my uncle.I would have 
thought it would be just the opposite since Uncle John's a generation earlier. 
I noticed you are the contact for Dennis Wilbert Silva who is a 4th-remote 
match to me but not to my uncle.
 
Best regards,
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:52:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: 2sil...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.com

A belated thank you to those who helped me with this.  My father had a stroke & 
I am in CA caring for him & my mother & I failed to thank you for your help and 
ideas.

Mary & Nancy, my husband's uncle also had his DNA done for us & is on the site 
as Buzzie Mendonca.  My husband has a number of family lines that link to 
Rosais and then the one to Norte Grande.

Thanks again,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:11 PM, nancy jean baptiste  
wrote:




I'm also watching this thread with interest since I have connections to Rosais 
and Norte Grande. These witness names are similar to my names. I haven't 
noticed a FF match though to others from here for me or my uncle, John 
Baptiste.except to Rosemarie as a 5th to remote.

 
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:45:17 -0700
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Rosais, Sao Jorge Baptism
From: busybo...@gmail.com

To: azores@googlegroups.com

It looks to me like the priest (Paulo Silveira Bettencourt) baptized the child 
because they thought he might die. Witnesses were (my guess) Jose de Souza 
Silveira Bettencourt and Joao Jose de Bettencourt. 


I am interested since I have connections to Rosais and Norte Grande, plus a DNA 
match (5th to remote cousin) between myself and your husband. But I don't see 
an immediate connection to these people. :)



Mary

On Thursday, March 20, 2014, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:


Sorry.  I forgot to include the link on that
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839/SJR-VL-ROSAIS-B-1826-1839_item1/P126.html



Thank you, Doug and Antonio.
Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fawn Silva <2sil...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi Everyone,
I'm having trouble understanding a baptism on the CCA site.  It is for Antonio, 
son of Joao Jacinto de Sigueira, native of Rosais & Barbara Joaquina Rosa, 
native of Norte Grande, born on the 25th of May 1834 & I think baptized on the 
29th in the home.  I don't know what the rest says & google translate is 
absolutely no help on this one.  I see witnesses but no padrinhos.  Did this 
child die?  I checked the obitos & could not find him. Why was he baptized in 
the home?  The baptism is on the top left of the pg.




Help!  Please.
Thanks,Fawn SilvaSt. Louis, MO






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