Re: Viruses
Unless we are all running linux and mozilla and don't worry about such things ;-)(oh if only that could be) John wrote: > All, > > I am subscribed to both the Perl- and CGI-Beginners lists and get a ton of > your very informative questions and (what's best ) answers every day. > > I run Norton's anti-virus which I keep up-to-date with the latest virus > signatures. > > I can't remember having *ever* received a virus warning when looking at mail > from either of these two lists. Might I humbly suggest that the original > poster of the virus warning look to other possible contamination points on > their system? > > It would seem to me that if any one of us received a virus laden e-mail from > this list, that we'd all get it at the same time causing many alarms to be > sounded -- instead of just the one lonely voice in the wilderness? > > Just a thought... > > > John-- > > Vice President / Chief Technical Officer > Small Business Help Center, Inc. > http://www.helpbizowners.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: Viruses
All, I am subscribed to both the Perl- and CGI-Beginners lists and get a ton of your very informative questions and (what's best ) answers every day. I run Norton's anti-virus which I keep up-to-date with the latest virus signatures. I can't remember having *ever* received a virus warning when looking at mail from either of these two lists. Might I humbly suggest that the original poster of the virus warning look to other possible contamination points on their system? It would seem to me that if any one of us received a virus laden e-mail from this list, that we'd all get it at the same time causing many alarms to be sounded -- instead of just the one lonely voice in the wilderness? Just a thought... John-- Vice President / Chief Technical Officer Small Business Help Center, Inc. http://www.helpbizowners.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viruses
On Thursday, July 18, 2002, at 07:53 , Shawn wrote: > [..] I use Win2K, OS X, and *nix, but to say "Maybe you should get rid > of MS Windows" a not even an option for most businesses. Be prepared > when *nix gets to a point of the average Joe being able to use it for the > viruses to start appearing on non-MS platforms. [..] Another way of going around this would be: a) if people would adopt appropriate security precautions AND maintain them, then it is not the OS's "fault". b) Some forget that in early Mac there were a lot of people who had too much fun creating 'virii' because of defects in the 'resource fork' model that Apple adopted to make their 'platform' "user friendly". c) Some may even recall 'the internet worm' that 'escaped' from 'the lab' - and brought major chunks of the internet by being 'adaptable' and capable of exploiting holes in multiple classes of *nix OS's So we have seen this process before, on other 'platforms' - and we keep revisiting it time and again as people keep producing 'user friendly' "web applications" - without regard for the 'security issues' - and/or simple Quality Control standards that would prevent most of the problems. The cheap excuse of 'blame M$' and/or 'joe six pack' may be emotionally re-assuring - but they do not focus on means and methods of 'solving' the root problems. r1: If people do not keep their systems and virii detection software/hardware/firmware up to date, then they leave themselves exposed to problems. r2: As long as people 'share information' there will be vectors of infections - including software virii as well as 'urban legends' r3: As long as there are Coders, there will be new Software, some of it will have unintended consequences, these will either be 'security holes' or 'features' - depending upon how marketting 'sells' them. r4: As long as people can Code, some will code with malice of forethought, others will code without any regard for thought at all. r5: There are people doing 'coding' who do not think of themselves as 'coders' - because they are 'web artists' - or it is just a simple script that does If It Runs in a 'Universal Turing Machine' - Then Deal with the reality that 'it is code'! IF we could stop the Coders, Then we could stop the Problems. So why not advocate: Find a Cure for Software Development! Now, More than Ever! For reasons of national security! Patriotism! and to protect the innocent children!!! Think of the Children! Or maybe, I don't know, keep working on the solutions we can? ciao drieux --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viruses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Bob Showalter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-07-18 08:13]: > > -Original Message- > > From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Viruses work only because of homogeny. The more systems with > > more diversity > > and the harder it is for viruses to make any kind of impact. > > Every system > > has security holes, but if everyone had the same system you > > can exploit that > > hole (MS virus frenzy). But what happens when you hit another system? > > Nothing. It would be 100Mb+ attachment for a virus to > > threaten every known > > OS, and it still wouldn't effect the unknown OSes that some > > wackos still > > build. :) > > > > But this is getting way off topic. > > My recent practice is to simply delete all MIME posts. There should be > no reason to post MIME to the list, correct? yes, signed mail should be MIME. Some people (like me) sign everything. Michael - -- Dr Michael A. Maibaum - (W)+1 (415) 561 1682 /~\ The ASCII <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>- (H)+1 (415) 626 6733 \ / Ribbon Campaign <http://www.gene-hacker.net> X Help Cure / \HTML Email -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9NuPIilk3LUlIL0MRAtm5AKCQ6lS0KasuaUVUDzZTYp7ik+4JOwCfX0i1 EmM3yN75Owr+WO6yev5c7/A= =x/8T -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Viruses
> -Original Message- > From: Nikola Janceski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:07 AM > To: 'Shawn'; Camilo Gonzalez; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Viruses > > > Viruses work only because of homogeny. The more systems with > more diversity > and the harder it is for viruses to make any kind of impact. > Every system > has security holes, but if everyone had the same system you > can exploit that > hole (MS virus frenzy). But what happens when you hit another system? > Nothing. It would be 100Mb+ attachment for a virus to > threaten every known > OS, and it still wouldn't effect the unknown OSes that some > wackos still > build. :) > > But this is getting way off topic. My recent practice is to simply delete all MIME posts. There should be no reason to post MIME to the list, correct? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Viruses
Viruses work only because of homogeny. The more systems with more diversity and the harder it is for viruses to make any kind of impact. Every system has security holes, but if everyone had the same system you can exploit that hole (MS virus frenzy). But what happens when you hit another system? Nothing. It would be 100Mb+ attachment for a virus to threaten every known OS, and it still wouldn't effect the unknown OSes that some wackos still build. :) But this is getting way off topic. > -Original Message- > From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:53 AM > To: Camilo Gonzalez; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Viruses > > > You get my point. The business world uses MS, live with it. > I use Win2K, OS X, and *nix, but to say "Maybe you should get > rid of MS Windows" a not even an option for most businesses. > Be prepared when *nix gets to a point of the average Joe > being able to use it for the viruses to start appearing on > non-MS platforms. > > Shawn > > - Original Message - > From: "Camilo Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Shawn'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: Viruses > > > > Antibiotics won't work against viruses. Like the > anti-windows message > > though. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:21 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Viruses > > > > > > "zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:21:06 -0400, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Admin) > > > wrote: > > > > > > >Please ensure your computers are virus free before > sending attachments > > > >through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received > > > >notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less > than 6 worm/trojan > > > >infected files sent through this group. If others on > this list do not > > have > > > >adequate virus protection please beware of possible > viruses circulating > > > >through this email list. > > > > > > I havn't received any viruii thru this list, exactly > which messages are > > > you talking about. Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows. > > > > Hey, while your at it, why not stop breathing, since they > come that way > > too... > > > > Or maybe that is a bit harsh, I guess you could get an > antibiotic instead. > > > > Norton has seemed to work quite well for the past several years. > > > > Shawn > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viruses
You get my point. The business world uses MS, live with it. I use Win2K, OS X, and *nix, but to say "Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows" a not even an option for most businesses. Be prepared when *nix gets to a point of the average Joe being able to use it for the viruses to start appearing on non-MS platforms. Shawn - Original Message - From: "Camilo Gonzalez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Shawn'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: Viruses > Antibiotics won't work against viruses. Like the anti-windows message > though. > > -Original Message- > From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:21 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Viruses > > > "zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:21:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Admin) > > wrote: > > > > >Please ensure your computers are virus free before sending attachments > > >through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received > > >notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less than 6 worm/trojan > > >infected files sent through this group. If others on this list do not > have > > >adequate virus protection please beware of possible viruses circulating > > >through this email list. > > > > I havn't received any viruii thru this list, exactly which messages are > > you talking about. Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows. > > Hey, while your at it, why not stop breathing, since they come that way > too... > > Or maybe that is a bit harsh, I guess you could get an antibiotic instead. > > Norton has seemed to work quite well for the past several years. > > Shawn > > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Viruses
Antibiotics won't work against viruses. Like the anti-windows message though. -Original Message- From: Shawn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Viruses "zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:21:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Admin) > wrote: > > >Please ensure your computers are virus free before sending attachments > >through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received > >notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less than 6 worm/trojan > >infected files sent through this group. If others on this list do not have > >adequate virus protection please beware of possible viruses circulating > >through this email list. > > I havn't received any viruii thru this list, exactly which messages are > you talking about. Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows. Hey, while your at it, why not stop breathing, since they come that way too... Or maybe that is a bit harsh, I guess you could get an antibiotic instead. Norton has seemed to work quite well for the past several years. Shawn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viruses
"zentara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:21:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Admin) > wrote: > > >Please ensure your computers are virus free before sending attachments > >through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received > >notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less than 6 worm/trojan > >infected files sent through this group. If others on this list do not have > >adequate virus protection please beware of possible viruses circulating > >through this email list. > > I havn't received any viruii thru this list, exactly which messages are > you talking about. Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows. Hey, while your at it, why not stop breathing, since they come that way too... Or maybe that is a bit harsh, I guess you could get an antibiotic instead. Norton has seemed to work quite well for the past several years. Shawn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viruses
On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:21:06 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Admin) wrote: >Please ensure your computers are virus free before sending attachments >through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received >notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less than 6 worm/trojan >infected files sent through this group. If others on this list do not have >adequate virus protection please beware of possible viruses circulating >through this email list. I havn't received any viruii thru this list, exactly which messages are you talking about. Maybe you should get rid of MS Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Viruses
Please ensure your computers are virus free before sending attachments through this mailing list. In the past 2 weeks I have received notification from my Microtrend PC-cillin of no less than 6 worm/trojan infected files sent through this group. If others on this list do not have adequate virus protection please beware of possible viruses circulating through this email list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
