Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Sebastian Humenda writes: > Hi Mario > > Mario Lang schrieb am 05.12.2020, 21:27 +0100: >>Sebastian Humenda writes: >> >>> Mario Lang schrieb am 04.12.2020, 17:46 +0100: To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to dot 7? >>> >>> Why would you like to show non-breaking spaces by default? >> >>Because sole dot 7 is not used for anything. nbsp do carry a semantic >>meaning, i.e. they will inhibit editors to break between words using > […] > > Sure, but it's something related to typography in the wider sense. It should > be an option to enable for the screen reader or is the job of your editor to > show. The editor typically uses no-breaking space to show that, which is actually what we want from the perspective of screen reading. If the editor used some sort of background color, that wouldn't lend itself very much to screen reading. > I would not like to see it as a default. Why do you use a horizontal ellipsis in your email if you care about representablility in Braille? >>> They are not shown on the screen and I do not like the idea to do this >>> different in braille. A non-breaking space is IMHO a typographic >>> matter and I would say that it should be made visible when needed. >> >>Which character would you map to sole dot 7 then? > > Do we need to map it? Well, we only have 2^8 different things a braille cell can show. Is that so much that we can waste mappings? > I am not familiar with computer braille and whether there are > standards for this. Noted. -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Hi Mario Mario Lang schrieb am 05.12.2020, 21:27 +0100: >Sebastian Humenda writes: > >> Mario Lang schrieb am 04.12.2020, 17:46 +0100: >>>To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which >>>maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to >>>dot 7? >> >> Why would you like to show non-breaking spaces by default? > >Because sole dot 7 is not used for anything. nbsp do carry a semantic >meaning, i.e. they will inhibit editors to break between words using […] Sure, but it's something related to typography in the wider sense. It should be an option to enable for the screen reader or is the job of your editor to show. I would not like to see it as a default. >> They are not shown on the screen and I do not like the idea to do this >> different in braille. A non-breaking space is IMHO a typographic >> matter and I would say that it should be made visible when needed. > >Which character would you map to sole dot 7 then? Do we need to map it? I am not familiar with computer braille and whether there are standards for this. Cheers Sebastian signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Sebastian Humenda writes: > Mario Lang schrieb am 04.12.2020, 17:46 +0100: >>To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which >>maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to >>dot 7? > > Why would you like to show non-breaking spaces by default? Because sole dot 7 is not used for anything. nbsp do carry a semantic meaning, i.e. they will inhibit editors to break between words using nbsp as a separator. IOW, nbsp can be used to separate things that really belong together, like the full name of a person or similar. When your editor does automatic line breaking for you, it will not break at an nbsp. > They are not shown on the screen and I do not like the idea to do this > different in braille. A non-breaking space is IMHO a typographic > matter and I would say that it should be made visible when needed. Which character would you map to sole dot 7 then? -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
In LibreOffice, by default, no-break space have a specific colour effect. Le 04/12/2020 à 23:35, Lars Bjørndal a écrit : Hi, Mario! I'm curious ablut your request. In Norway the braille authority group is discussing if we should define no-breaking space to zero dots. When you read a web page, for instance, a sighted person does not distinguish between space and no-breaking space. Why would a braille reader like to distinguish between these characters? The Norwegian braille table for BRLTTY, no-generic.ttb, has defined no-breaking space as an alias for space. I'd appreciate if you could explain why you want to define the character to a representation other than zero dots. Thanks in advance, Lars On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 05:46:24PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote: Hi. To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to dot 7? -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to:BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to:http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to:BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to:http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Hi Mario Lang schrieb am 04.12.2020, 17:46 +0100: >To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which >maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to >dot 7? Why would you like to show non-breaking spaces by default? They are not shown on the screen and I do not like the idea to do this different in braille. A non-breaking space is IMHO a typographic matter and I would say that it should be made visible when needed. Cheers Sebastian signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
Re: [BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Hi, Mario! I'm curious ablut your request. In Norway the braille authority group is discussing if we should define no-breaking space to zero dots. When you read a web page, for instance, a sighted person does not distinguish between space and no-breaking space. Why would a braille reader like to distinguish between these characters? The Norwegian braille table for BRLTTY, no-generic.ttb, has defined no-breaking space as an alias for space. I'd appreciate if you could explain why you want to define the character to a representation other than zero dots. Thanks in advance, Lars On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 05:46:24PM +0100, Mario Lang wrote: > Hi. > > To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which > maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to > dot 7? > > -- > CYa, > ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ > ___ > This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. > To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app > For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
[BRLTTY] German users: no-break space and dot 7?
Hi. To all german users: I just noticed there is no mapping in de.ttb which maps to a sole dot 7. Any objections to mapping non-breaking spaces to dot 7? -- CYa, ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ ___ This message was sent via the BRLTTY mailing list. To post a message, send an e-mail to: BRLTTY@brltty.app For general information, go to: http://brltty.app/mailman/listinfo/brltty
