Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
Seth, If the 3B2 manuals are in a 3-ring binder, or are in condition to be scanned with a page feed scanner, I'll be happy to scan them and send you a copy. Cheers, Jim From: "Seth J. Morabito" To: da...@kdbarto.org Cc: "Jim Capp" , "The Eunuchs Hysterical Society" , "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 1:17:35 PM Subject: Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books David writes: > These went exceptionally fast. > > Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim > will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him > in shipping them. All (and especially Jim and David!) I'm 100% fine with Jim getting these manuals (lord knows I don't have any more room on my shelves!), but may I ask that the 3B2 manual be scanned? There is an existing copy of this manual floating around online, but the copy that was scanned was a proof print, has extensive markup, and a very poor scan quality. I would love to see a better version available! All the best, -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA, USA w...@loomcom.com
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
On 10/7/19 3:29 PM, Seth Morabito via cctalk wrote: I have access to a book scanner here in Seattle (full double page non-destructive scanning). It's certainly more work than sheet-feed scanning, but since it does no harm to the original material, it's worth it. Hum I wonder if it would be worth while for people to rotate books from their collection through such a system / service. Presuming I have any books that people would be interested in, I'd be happy to ship them somewhere, pay a reasonable fee to have them scanned and shipped back to me. All the while, the community benefiting from the scans. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: Nuke Redmond!
On 10/07/2019 12:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I hear you--I've been on Linux for day-to-day stuff for quite a few years, but keep a copy of XP on VirtualBox just in case. Some of the older systems that I have legacy peripherals in also require Windows, but it's all old versions. I recently convinced my lovely wife to make the leap to Linux. She really likes it. I've been using Linux since 1998 when I started using the EMC program for CNC machines, which ran on a real time version of Linux. I quickly saw I could do most normal things better on Linux. I now use Win XP and Win 7 for just a FEW programs which are not available on Linux. One is an old but VERY good electronic CAD package (Protel 99 SE, the 99 kind of gives away the vintage!) and my yearly tax filing program, which now required Win 7. I run these as needed in a virtual machine. First I used VMware, but later moved to Virtual Box. My family used Linux when here, but they have all moved out now, one daughter has a Dell laptop that I set up with Linux, and my wife uses Linux and they both find it works quite well for them. Jon
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, David wrote: If the manual is in a 3 ring binder, I'd be happy to scan it for you folks. I've got an Epson DS-770 duplexing scanner that does an excellent job. I've scanned a pile of docs with it at 600dpi, and it's performed flawlessly. g. These are all standard bound books, so I’m unsure about how they would get scanned in the best possible way without destroying them. I've got a scanner for those too, but it's a ton of work and I need to give my elbow a rest for a month or so. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, at 2:20 PM, David via cctalk wrote: > > These are all standard bound books, so I’m unsure about how they would > get scanned in the best possible way without destroying them. > That shouldn't be an impediment. I have access to a book scanner here in Seattle (full double page non-destructive scanning). It's certainly more work than sheet-feed scanning, but since it does no harm to the original material, it's worth it. If either you or Jim would be willing, I'd be glad to do the scanning and then immediately forward the material on to its forever home. > David -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA w...@loomcom.com
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
> On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:20 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, Seth J. Morabito via cctalk wrote: > >> >> David writes: >> >>> These went exceptionally fast. >>> >>> Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim >>> will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him >>> in shipping them. >> >> >> All (and especially Jim and David!) >> >> I'm 100% fine with Jim getting these manuals (lord knows I don't have >> any more room on my shelves!), but may I ask that the 3B2 manual be >> scanned? There is an existing copy of this manual floating around >> online, but the copy that was scanned was a proof print, has extensive >> markup, and a very poor scan quality. I would love to see a better >> version available! >> > If the manual is in a 3 ring binder, I'd be happy to scan it for you folks. > I've got an Epson DS-770 duplexing scanner that does an excellent job. I've > scanned a pile of docs with it at 600dpi, and it's performed flawlessly. > > g. > These are all standard bound books, so I’m unsure about how they would get scanned in the best possible way without destroying them. David > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
I’ll leave it to Jim to see about scanning it (?bitsavers?). I don’t have the equipment or the bandwidth to do it. David > On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:17 AM, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > > > David writes: > >> These went exceptionally fast. >> >> Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim >> will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him >> in shipping them. > > > All (and especially Jim and David!) > > I'm 100% fine with Jim getting these manuals (lord knows I don't have > any more room on my shelves!), but may I ask that the 3B2 manual be > scanned? There is an existing copy of this manual floating around > online, but the copy that was scanned was a proof print, has extensive > markup, and a very poor scan quality. I would love to see a better > version available! > > All the best, > > -Seth > -- > Seth Morabito > Poulsbo, WA, USA > w...@loomcom.com
Re: Nuke Redmond!
Hello all, The problem as I see it are all of the sheep that buy pre-configured boxes from the likes of Dell and other such providers. They don't get the OS disc. They only receive restore discs. Most of these users only know how to turn on the power and operate the keyboard and/or mouse. They have no understanding of how the system works just like most people who drive have no understanding of how an automobile works. I have never bought a pre-configured box. I always built my own. I started with a VIC-20 that I add a lot of extras to. I then went to a C-64, a C-128, an Amiga 1000, Amiga 2000, Amiga 4000 and Amiga 4000T. I modified all of these systems in lots of ways. I finally gave in because of game availability and built my first PC clone and installed Win-95 on it. I also had MS-Dos installed on it. I continued to use my A4000T in conjunction with the Win 95 box. I networked my A4000T box with the Win 95 box using ARCNet. I also went the upgrade route with MS. WinNT, Win2000, WinXP, and now Win 8.1 Pro. I have also dabbled in Linux but the games always brought me back to Windoze. So I have some knowledge and ability concerning computers and how they work where most users have almost zero knowledge and ability. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/7/2019 10:28 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: Its been a while but same game and I'm not a player. I just don't run windows. I jumped that ship back in 06 when burned on NT. Since then its Linux. If you play in the swamp of M$ then your run all the risks and costs. Its just not good enough to be worth the pain. Any new machine I might buy must be bare or come with Linux and in the past Asus did a few that I still run. If not I default to ITX/miniITX boards/boxes as they are easily gotten bare. It also reminded me of Micro$soft Roads, a few of us likely remember that one too. Wait till M$ AI on your car decides some roads do not meet the terms of service and refuses to go there. Since schools and Uni's all seem to be M$ based maybe the terms of service are in effect there. And tubes... I'm like one of the few here that knows how to design with them because I did. Allison On 10/7/19 10:54 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: downloaded for free is meaningless to the actual case. Not saying I agree with the law they got him on as there should be some exceptions but facts are the facts. Btw. This was the first version of the story I read that mentioned that Microsoft sold replacement restore disks to computer refurbish shops themselves. I thought Microsoft would refer you to Dell, and Dell would be the ones to sell them. Had the discs not looked like the original restore discs then he might of gotten away with it? Trademark infringement and all. Fake Louie. It's stupid. It really is a mess trying to restore the OS when the hard drive dies on machines that ship with recovery partitions and no media. I mean, the fact the restore media is on a CD/DVD just says that it's for old crusty computers. New machines have the license keys baked into the BIOS, the Windows tax is built in. But the Netflix Bill Gates docuemntary says he is cool so the young people trust Microsoft. And of course the beautiful machines Apple was making kind of went to hell as they focus on telephones, which are declining. Pretty much trapped. - Ethan Now if I made a copy of Raiders for someone else or copied it off a free TV transmission and sold DVDs of that, it would be a crime since there still is a way to buy a replacement DVD or watch/DVR it on free TV when it happens to be on. But that is different as Windows is protected by a software key, so the restore disc is useless without it. Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:15 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy .. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student discount stores? University student discount stores? You mean those state-sponsored computer shops that put all the private computer shops out of business? Only 1.2 :-), as for example in a nearby (10K student) university town, there are no longer any private computer repair shops that a non-student can go to as far as I can tell, so I'm actually picking up more business because I'm one town away. - John -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Nuke Redmond!
On 2019-10-07 08:49, corey cohen via cctalk wrote: So for example I own a DVD of raiders of the lost ark, I’m allowed to make a backup for myself. Just beware I don't believe there has been a DMCA challenge that validates your claim yet. Fair-use is always subjective. And truth often drops to the bottom of reasons for prosecutions. I can't afford your bail bond Corey :( So be careful and don't call Evan as a character witness! "Initially, federal prosecutors valued the discs at $299 each..." That wasn't because of un-willful ignorance. It is not in the prosecutions' best interest to counter a weak claim that bolsters their case - even an erroneous one. That's the defense's job. Most prosecutors inflate initial damage claims to untruthful absurd levels because there is very little procedural opportunity for the defense to challenge. And doing so will slow down a trial bearing considerable cost. A common way prosecutors pressure pleas - literally starve them out. It's a bit unsavory at best and unethical at worst; but legal. We have a great criminal justice system. But it's run by people who can be flawed - or motivated by politics such as their own elections. And it predicates success on both sides opposing at full force with equal resources. That is not the reality in nearly all proceedings. My view refined significantly when I stood in a court room on the other side potentially facing 9 years on new computer related statutes that no one understood - including my lawyer. -A
RE: Nuke Redmond!
> "In 2013, federal authorities intercepted shipments of 28,000 restore > discs that Lundgren had manufactured in China and sent to his sales > partner in Florida. The discs had labels nearly identical to the discs > provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos. > “If I had just written ‘Eric’s Restore Disc’ on there, it would have > been fine,” Lundgren said." > No duh! Why would you fake the Dell/MS Logos? How does that help the consumer, who is so clueless they can't get restore disk on their own, vs. a label that says "Restore Disc for Dell Optiplex Blah Blah" > > I think he should not have gone to jail, this is a civil matter. > However what he did was wrong and it badly affected the recycling > business as a whole. Now other people are not wanting to persue > recycled computers I am not sure about that. It does put some more scrutiny on the business and frankly keeps the unnecessary "creativity" out. As this is a copyright infringement I believe there are both civil and criminal penalties so jail is possible (and was given). Of course the sanity of that is a whole other argument. -Ali
Re: Nuke Redmond!
On 10/7/19 8:28 AM, allison via cctalk wrote: > Its been a while but same game and I'm not a player. > > I just don't run windows. I jumped that ship back in 06 when > burned on NT. Since then its Linux. If you play in the swamp > of M$ then your run all the risks and costs. Its just not good > enough to be worth the pain. Any new machine I might buy must > be bare or come with Linux and in the past Asus did a few that > I still run. If not I default to ITX/miniITX boards/boxes as > they are easily gotten bare. I hear you--I've been on Linux for day-to-day stuff for quite a few years, but keep a copy of XP on VirtualBox just in case. Some of the older systems that I have legacy peripherals in also require Windows, but it's all old versions. I recently convinced my lovely wife to make the leap to Linux. She really likes it. --Chuck
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, Seth J. Morabito via cctalk wrote: David writes: These went exceptionally fast. Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him in shipping them. All (and especially Jim and David!) I'm 100% fine with Jim getting these manuals (lord knows I don't have any more room on my shelves!), but may I ask that the 3B2 manual be scanned? There is an existing copy of this manual floating around online, but the copy that was scanned was a proof print, has extensive markup, and a very poor scan quality. I would love to see a better version available! If the manual is in a 3 ring binder, I'd be happy to scan it for you folks. I've got an Epson DS-770 duplexing scanner that does an excellent job. I've scanned a pile of docs with it at 600dpi, and it's performed flawlessly. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
David writes: > These went exceptionally fast. > > Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim > will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him > in shipping them. All (and especially Jim and David!) I'm 100% fine with Jim getting these manuals (lord knows I don't have any more room on my shelves!), but may I ask that the 3B2 manual be scanned? There is an existing copy of this manual floating around online, but the copy that was scanned was a proof print, has extensive markup, and a very poor scan quality. I would love to see a better version available! All the best, -Seth -- Seth Morabito Poulsbo, WA, USA w...@loomcom.com
Re: Nuke Redmond!
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 11:58 AM Ali wrote: > In none of the stories I have read, and I admit I haven't been following this > closely, there has been no mention of labels being copied (i.e. logos, > graphics, etc.). If he did do this then yes he screwed himself royally. > > -Ali > https://mashable.com/2018/06/07/microsoft-right-to-repair-eric-lundgren-pr-nightmare/ >From the article: "One thing Microsoft and Lundgren do agree on: it was wrong for him to put a Dell logo on the discs, which he said he did to make the discs' purpose less confusing to consumers." "What I’m guilty of is printing a logo on a worthless piece of plastic," Lundgren said. "But that’s a civil issue," he said, and worth a fine, not jail time." https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-microsoft-restore-disc-20180215-story.html >From the article: "In 2013, federal authorities intercepted shipments of 28,000 restore discs that Lundgren had manufactured in China and sent to his sales partner in Florida. The discs had labels nearly identical to the discs provided by Dell for its computers and had the Windows and Dell logos. “If I had just written ‘Eric’s Restore Disc’ on there, it would have been fine,” Lundgren said." I think he should not have gone to jail, this is a civil matter. However what he did was wrong and it badly affected the recycling business as a whole. Now other people are not wanting to persue recycled computers
Re: Tandem Minicomputers
I worked at Canyon Park Data Center (one of Microsoft's original Data Centers in Puget Sound) and they had just as you walked into the data center floor a Unisys rack that had like 64 individual SBC to work in unison with WinNT Clustering. It was configured like a Cray where you had a maintenance pc/laptop that was the console for booting/operating the entire rack - so yes, make sure you have all the parts together when one of those hits the recycler. On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 11:03 PM Joseph S. Barrera III via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Not obscure at all, at least not to me. I worked for Jim Gray circa 1996 - > 1999 and he worked for Tandem during the NonStop era which informed his > knowledge of fault-tolerance that helped him advise the Windows NT > Clustering team. > > Don't toss it!!! If you can't find > > On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:46 PM Jason T via cctalk > wrote: > > > Well I said no more computers I can't lift, but exotic systems keep > > finding me. So today we pulled a Tandem CLX out of a basement, along > > with a few boxes of docs, 9-track tapes and random odd and ends: > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/m2N7RKN3JXcmVTUC8 > > > > There's such as thing as "so obscure that no one knows/cares about > > it". I've had those before. Do I have another? It sure is heavy. > > > > -j > > >
RE: Nuke Redmond!
> Ugh this is old and has nothing to do with what we do > > Also is has nothing to do with what anyone is discussing. > > The guy make exact copies of restore CDs with Dell and Microsoft > labels, so they were counterfeit. In none of the stories I have read, and I admit I haven't been following this closely, there has been no mention of labels being copied (i.e. logos, graphics, etc.). If he did do this then yes he screwed himself royally. -Ali
Re: Nuke Redmond!
Ugh this is old and has nothing to do with what we do Also is has nothing to do with what anyone is discussing. The guy make exact copies of restore CDs with Dell and Microsoft labels, so they were counterfeit.
Re: Able document at VCF Midwest
> Do we know where the docs were before they hit the Free Pile? I took > home a few boxes of Will D's DECdocs, which I can double-check to make > sure yours didn't intermix. Otherwise, stuff flew off the Pile as fast > as it was placed there. This title does not ring a bell with me - I likely would have pulled it. But I think at least one person "donated" some manuals to my pile when I was not looking. -- Will
Re: Nuke Redmond!
Its been a while but same game and I'm not a player. I just don't run windows. I jumped that ship back in 06 when burned on NT. Since then its Linux. If you play in the swamp of M$ then your run all the risks and costs. Its just not good enough to be worth the pain. Any new machine I might buy must be bare or come with Linux and in the past Asus did a few that I still run. If not I default to ITX/miniITX boards/boxes as they are easily gotten bare. It also reminded me of Micro$soft Roads, a few of us likely remember that one too. Wait till M$ AI on your car decides some roads do not meet the terms of service and refuses to go there. Since schools and Uni's all seem to be M$ based maybe the terms of service are in effect there. And tubes... I'm like one of the few here that knows how to design with them because I did. Allison On 10/7/19 10:54 AM, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: >> downloaded for free is meaningless to the actual case. Not saying I >> agree with the law they got him on as there should be some exceptions >> but facts are the facts. Btw. This was the first version of the story >> I read that mentioned that Microsoft sold replacement restore disks to >> computer refurbish shops themselves. > > I thought Microsoft would refer you to Dell, and Dell would be the ones > to sell them. > > Had the discs not looked like the original restore discs then he might > of gotten away with it? Trademark infringement and all. Fake Louie. > > It's stupid. It really is a mess trying to restore the OS when the hard > drive dies on machines that ship with recovery partitions and no media. > > I mean, the fact the restore media is on a CD/DVD just says that it's > for old crusty computers. > > New machines have the license keys baked into the BIOS, the Windows tax > is built in. > > But the Netflix Bill Gates docuemntary says he is cool so the young > people trust Microsoft. And of course the beautiful machines Apple was > making kind of went to hell as they focus on telephones, which are > declining. > > Pretty much trapped. > > - Ethan > >> Now if I made a copy of Raiders for someone else or copied it off a >> free TV transmission and sold DVDs of that, it would be a crime since >> there still is a way to buy a replacement DVD or watch/DVR it on free >> TV when it happens to be on. > > But that is different as Windows is protected by a software key, so the > restore disc is useless without it. > >> >> Cheers, >> Corey >> >> corey cohen >> uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:15 AM, John Foust via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy .. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student discount stores? >>> >>> University student discount stores? You mean those state-sponsored >>> computer shops that put all the private computer shops out of business? >>> >>> Only 1.2 :-), as for example in a nearby (10K student) university town, >>> there are no longer any private computer repair shops that a non-student >>> can go to as far as I can tell, so I'm actually picking up more business >>> because I'm one town away. >>> >>> - John >>> >> > > -- > : Ethan O'Toole >
RE: Nuke Redmond!
original license holder being the purchaser. If he had given the discs away with a refurbished system, even if he worked the price into the system price, with a license I think he would have been fine. US Customs looks for items with trademarks of certain protected brands and then you get in trouble. If they were shipped via DHL there probably wouldn't have been the same issue. ;-) - Ethan -- : Ethan O'Toole
RE: Nuke Redmond!
> I think what screwed the guy selling the 25 cent computer disks is that > Microsoft, according to the article ,sells $25 replacement restore > disks. So technically he is counterfeiting a current Microsoft > product, the physical restore disk they sell. I am not sure about the veracity of that. I.E. If you call Microsoft or Dell and tell them you have a 486 PC you bought 30 years ago with Win 3.1 license they would be willing to provide you with a restore disks at any price. That aside - his biggest mistake was CHARGING for the discs, even if it was a nominal 25 cents, especially if he could not verify original license holder being the purchaser. If he had given the discs away with a refurbished system, even if he worked the price into the system price, with a license I think he would have been fine. -Ali p.s. I am not a lawyer I only play one online! :)
Re: Nuke Redmond!
I'm glad retirement is now only 15 years away... no make that 17, soon to be 20? On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:13, jwest--- via cctalk wrote: > I'm fairly sure that the (near) future will be OSaaS, and you will be > paying monthly for your Windows Vi... er... OS. Not just your office > productivity and LOB software. > > > -- Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow" Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
RE: Nuke Redmond!
I'm fairly sure that the (near) future will be OSaaS, and you will be paying monthly for your Windows Vi... er... OS. Not just your office productivity and LOB software.
Re: Nuke Redmond!
downloaded for free is meaningless to the actual case. Not saying I agree with the law they got him on as there should be some exceptions but facts are the facts. Btw. This was the first version of the story I read that mentioned that Microsoft sold replacement restore disks to computer refurbish shops themselves. I thought Microsoft would refer you to Dell, and Dell would be the ones to sell them. Had the discs not looked like the original restore discs then he might of gotten away with it? Trademark infringement and all. Fake Louie. It's stupid. It really is a mess trying to restore the OS when the hard drive dies on machines that ship with recovery partitions and no media. I mean, the fact the restore media is on a CD/DVD just says that it's for old crusty computers. New machines have the license keys baked into the BIOS, the Windows tax is built in. But the Netflix Bill Gates docuemntary says he is cool so the young people trust Microsoft. And of course the beautiful machines Apple was making kind of went to hell as they focus on telephones, which are declining. Pretty much trapped. - Ethan Now if I made a copy of Raiders for someone else or copied it off a free TV transmission and sold DVDs of that, it would be a crime since there still is a way to buy a replacement DVD or watch/DVR it on free TV when it happens to be on. But that is different as Windows is protected by a software key, so the restore disc is useless without it. Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:15 AM, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy .. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student discount stores? University student discount stores? You mean those state-sponsored computer shops that put all the private computer shops out of business? Only 1.2 :-), as for example in a nearby (10K student) university town, there are no longer any private computer repair shops that a non-student can go to as far as I can tell, so I'm actually picking up more business because I'm one town away. - John -- : Ethan O'Toole
Re: Able document at VCF Midwest
> From: Jason T > didn't know you were at the show. Thanks for coming out! I wasn't! :-) This is via Paul A, who was there. I don't recall where they were before they got free-piled (he told me who it was who had it, but I had no particular reason to store those bits in my memory). Noel
Re: Nuke Redmond!
Ok the original topic. I think what screwed the guy selling the 25 cent computer disks is that Microsoft, according to the article ,sells $25 replacement restore disks. So technically he is counterfeiting a current Microsoft product, the physical restore disk they sell. The whole argument that there were original disks provided with the system or the software can be downloaded for free is meaningless to the actual case. Not saying I agree with the law they got him on as there should be some exceptions but facts are the facts. Btw. This was the first version of the story I read that mentioned that Microsoft sold replacement restore disks to computer refurbish shops themselves. To put this in another way. You are allowed to make a personal backup your own stuff. So for example I own a DVD of raiders of the lost ark, I’m allowed to make a backup for myself. If I didn’t make a backup or lost the disk but had the packaging/case, you can order replacement disks by contacting paramount by providing your original packaging or damaged DVD. I have done this in the past. Now if I made a copy of Raiders for someone else or copied it off a free TV transmission and sold DVDs of that, it would be a crime since there still is a way to buy a replacement DVD or watch/DVR it on free TV when it happens to be on. Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2019, at 7:15 AM, John Foust via cctalk > wrote: > > At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: >> Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an >> extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy >> .. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student >> discount stores? > > University student discount stores? You mean those state-sponsored > computer shops that put all the private computer shops out of business? > > Only 1.2 :-), as for example in a nearby (10K student) university town, > there are no longer any private computer repair shops that a non-student > can go to as far as I can tell, so I'm actually picking up more business > because I'm one town away. > > - John >
Re: Nuke Redmond!
It is. He ended up serving 15 months in prison for making rescue disks that were based on downloadable software that required licence keys that the PCs that he refurbished already had. It's a complex.case and the judge didn't understand the actual value of the media which was zero. Sadly technically he did breach copyright. So lesson to learn. Stay away from software giants who have bigger bankrolls than you do. On Mon, 7 Oct. 2019, 8:33 pm Dave Wade via cctalk, wrote: > Note:- This storey is a year old... > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. > Worley > > via cctalk > > Sent: 07 October 2019 04:24 > > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > > Subject: Nuke Redmond! > > > > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to > prison. > > Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is not free. > You can > > download the air and install the air and use the air, but noone can help > you do > > it or they will spend 15months in federal prison and pay 3/4 of a > million beans > > in damages for helping you and charging nothing for it but a quarter for > the > > electricity it cost to put the air in. > > > > > https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyright- > > 20180426- > > story.html?fbclid=IwAR3v6MDIUWtqyUxcupT7YQOaX5a7bzrKZKAZWKQFYkdzbg > > 9xvWhvRVkSuq4 > > > > Jeff > > >
Fw: [rescue] Very Last Chance - E6000 and/or parts
Hi everybody, as I don't recall seeing this offer around here (may be just rusty memory on my side however...), I thought I'd forward this for good measure. (I'm trying a second time, to cctalk, now as it seems I fell out of the classiccmp universe somewhere around 2016-17. Sorry if this appears twice. Hadn't actually realized this as I subscribe to several digests of related topics, seems like it was a somewhat gradual process of cctalk seemingly "drying up". Funnily I can't even get an email reminder into my inbox to check whether something got upset in my account settings.) I'm considering making the 2k mi trip together with my Dad but would do so only as a last resort to save the machine from being scrapped. I think I have some excess CPU boards, maybe a clock board, spacers and PCU/fan boxes from a gutted E4k class machine here (southern Germany) so I might be able to help people looking for parts. So long, Arno // DO4NAK > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:26:06 + (UTC) > From: Mike Spooner > To: The Rescue List > Subject: [rescue] Very Last Chance - E6000 and/or parts > Message-ID: > <90bb83ae79ec6fac.9de3eb44-8314-4e62-b390-172d0a547...@mail.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In spite of my efforts to find a good home for my 18x250MHz Sun Enterprise > E6000 a couple of months ago, I still have it. Unfortunately, the house is > now sold and the E6000 needs to be gone by next Sunday.I can store it at work > for a few weeks whilst sorting out shipping etc for any takers. > I am located on the Isle of Man, so most of you won't be able to just drive > round and pick it up! > Thus I'm willing to split it up into it's constituent modules - if you need > PCMs, CPU/Mem boards, I/O boards, a disk board, clock module, peripheral > power supply, Sun FC transcievers, memory DIMMs, QFE SBus cards, keyswitch > module, peripheral cable harness, etc to keep your E3000/4000/5000/6000 > sprightly and running,*please* drop me a line, ASAP. At a pinch, I might > even be able to extract the 16-slot Gigaplane backplane from the steel > chassis. > Alternatively, if you know of anyone else who might be interested,*please* > pass this message and my email-address on to them. > I'll post the full list of component modules/parts here in a day or so. > -- Mike Spooner
Fw: [rescue] Very Last Chance - E6000 and/or parts
Hi everybody, as I don't recall seeing this offer around here (may be just rusty memory on my side however...), I thought I'd forward this for good measure. I'm considering making the 2k mi trip together with my Dad but would do so only as a last resort to save the machine from being scrapped. I think I have some excess CPU boards, maybe a clock board, spacers and PCU/fan boxes from a gutted E4k class machine here (southern Germany) so I might be able to help people looking for parts. So long, Arno // DO4NAK > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:26:06 + (UTC) > From: Mike Spooner > To: The Rescue List > Subject: [rescue] Very Last Chance - E6000 and/or parts > Message-ID: > <90bb83ae79ec6fac.9de3eb44-8314-4e62-b390-172d0a547...@mail.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In spite of my efforts to find a good home for my 18x250MHz Sun Enterprise > E6000 a couple of months ago, I still have it. Unfortunately, the house is > now sold and the E6000 needs to be gone by next Sunday.I can store it at work > for a few weeks whilst sorting out shipping etc for any takers. > I am located on the Isle of Man, so most of you won't be able to just drive > round and pick it up! > Thus I'm willing to split it up into it's constituent modules - if you need > PCMs, CPU/Mem boards, I/O boards, a disk board, clock module, peripheral > power supply, Sun FC transcievers, memory DIMMs, QFE SBus cards, keyswitch > module, peripheral cable harness, etc to keep your E3000/4000/5000/6000 > sprightly and running,*please* drop me a line, ASAP. At a pinch, I might > even be able to extract the 16-slot Gigaplane backplane from the steel > chassis. > Alternatively, if you know of anyone else who might be interested,*please* > pass this message and my email-address on to them. > I'll post the full list of component modules/parts here in a day or so. > -- Mike Spooner
Re: [TUHS] Old Unix books
These went exceptionally fast. Timing of the first response was Jim Capp by about 1 minute. So if Jim will send me his physical address off list, I’ll coordinate with him in shipping them. David > On Oct 7, 2019, at 6:05 AM, Jim Capp wrote: > > David, > > I’m interested and will give them a good home. I’m in Pennsylvania, so > coffee would not work. I’m also willing to cover your shipping costs. > > Cheers, > > Jim > > >> On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:56 AM, David wrote: >> >> I’ve got a few books I’ve just pulled off the shelf and no longer want/need. >> I’m hoping someone will give them a good home. >> >> UNIX System Labs Inc UNIX(r) System V Release 4 >> Programmers Guide: System Services and Application Packaging Tools >> Device Driver Interface/Driver-Kernel Interface (DDI/DKI) Reference Manual >> (2 copies) >> >> AT&T 3B2/3B5/3B15 Computers Assembly Programming Manual >> >> Sun Microsystems Inc (Sun Technical Reports) >> The UNIX System - 1985 >> Sun 3 Architecture - 1986 >> >> I’m willing to split postage on mailing them wherever. If you are local (San >> Diego) >> I’m willing to meet you wherever for an exchange and a coffee. >> >> David >> (Also posted on the cctalk mailing list) >> >
Old UNIX Books
I’ve got a few books I’ve just pulled off the shelf and no longer want/need. I’m hoping someone will give them a good home. UNIX System Labs Inc UNIX(r) System V Release 4 Programmers Guide: System Services and Application Packaging Tools Device Driver Interface/Driver-Kernel Interface (DDI/DKI) Reference Manual (2 copies) AT&T 3B2/3B5/3B15 Computers Assembly Programming Manual Sun Microsystems Inc (Sun Technical Reports) The UNIX System - 1985 Sun 3 Architecture - 1986 I’m willing to split postage on mailing them wherever. If you are local (San Diego) I’m willing to meet you wherever for an exchange and a coffee. David (Also posted on the Unix Heritage Society mailing list)
RE: Nuke Redmond!
At 05:51 AM 10/7/2019, Dave Wade via cctalk wrote: >Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an >extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy >.. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student >discount stores? University student discount stores? You mean those state-sponsored computer shops that put all the private computer shops out of business? Only 1.2 :-), as for example in a nearby (10K student) university town, there are no longer any private computer repair shops that a non-student can go to as far as I can tell, so I'm actually picking up more business because I'm one town away. - John
RE: Nuke Redmond!
Must be the USA PC World. In the UK they would have tried to sell you an extended warranty as well which is really just an insurance policy .. but the question is why PC World. Don't US universities have student discount stores? Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of John Many Jars > via cctalk > Sent: 07 October 2019 09:31 > To: Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk > Subject: Re: Nuke Redmond! > > Ha. I was recently in PC World (gross) buying my son a laptop for University. > > They tried to sell him (me) a whole load of crap he didn't need. They tried > to > sell me an Office 365 subscription that he gets for free from the Uni. They > tried to sell me A/V software you can get free. They tried to sell me 1TB of > cloud storage he doesn't need. They tried to sell me Windows 10 restore > media, for FORTY POUNDS. > > Amazing. > > > > On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 04:24, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to > > prison. Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is > > not free. You can download the air and install the air and use the > > air, but noone can help you do it or they will spend 15months in > > federal prison and pay 3/4 of a million beans in damages for helping > > you and charging nothing for it but a quarter for the electricity it > > cost to put the air in. > > > > > > https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyrig > > ht-20180426- > story.html?fbclid=IwAR3v6MDIUWtqyUxcupT7YQOaX5a7bzrKZKAZWK > > QFYkdzbg9xvWhvRVkSuq4 > > > > Jeff > > > > > > -- > Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow" > Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net > > > "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that > the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
RE: Nuke Redmond!
Note:- This storey is a year old... Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Worley > via cctalk > Sent: 07 October 2019 04:24 > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Nuke Redmond! > > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to prison. > Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is not free. You > can > download the air and install the air and use the air, but noone can help you > do > it or they will spend 15months in federal prison and pay 3/4 of a million > beans > in damages for helping you and charging nothing for it but a quarter for the > electricity it cost to put the air in. > > https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyright- > 20180426- > story.html?fbclid=IwAR3v6MDIUWtqyUxcupT7YQOaX5a7bzrKZKAZWKQFYkdzbg > 9xvWhvRVkSuq4 > > Jeff
Re: Nuke Redmond!
Ha. I was recently in PC World (gross) buying my son a laptop for University. They tried to sell him (me) a whole load of crap he didn't need. They tried to sell me an Office 365 subscription that he gets for free from the Uni. They tried to sell me A/V software you can get free. They tried to sell me 1TB of cloud storage he doesn't need. They tried to sell me Windows 10 restore media, for FORTY POUNDS. Amazing. On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 04:24, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to > prison. Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is > not free. You can download the air and install the air and use the > air, but noone can help you do it or they will spend 15months in > federal prison and pay 3/4 of a million beans in damages for helping > you and charging nothing for it but a quarter for the electricity it > cost to put the air in. > > > https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyright-20180426-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3v6MDIUWtqyUxcupT7YQOaX5a7bzrKZKAZWKQFYkdzbg9xvWhvRVkSuq4 > > Jeff > > -- Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow" Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
