RE: CFLOGIN

[Hugo Ahlenius]

Ray,

I was't aware of these problems, can you elaborate a little bit on this?
Just checked on livedocs, and no comments relating to this on the
cflogin page...




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|-Original Message-
|From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 23:42
|To: CF-Talk
|Subject: Re: CFLOGIN
|
|I'm a bit proponent of CFLOGIN, however it is a bit tricky and
|is, unfortuinately, broken now. I used to recommend it to
|folks, and now I recommend against it. There is a bug (in the
|process of being logged) that involves the session based
|version of CFLOGIN that was introduced in CFMX 6.1. That means
|only the Cookie version is safe. That being said, if you want
|to tie CFLOGIN/Cookie to a session, it IS possible, just not
|super simple.
|
|I _really_ like CFLOGIN, and I hope/assume the Session
|security hole will be fixed in Blackstone.
|
|That probably doesn't help you much.
|
|
|On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:01:12 -0700, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> I was developing CF apps well before they came up with their CFLOGIN
|> scheme, and I still have yet to take time to investigate it much.
|>
|> Do you all make use of these built in authentication tags?
|Are there
|> shortcomings I should be aware of that negate any gains?  I'm
|> intrigued by the ability to control access to CFC functions
|using the
|> ROLES attribute, but wary of trying a new authentication method when
|> I'm comfortable in my ways.
|>
|> TIA
|>
|>
|
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Re: Hiding an action statement

[phillip]

> What is the best way to hide/encrypt/disguise a url in an action statement
> in CF5,
> especially if they view source?



application.key = "whateveryouwant";

// encrypt a url
 function url_encrypt(astring, key) {
  encstring = tobase64(encrypt(astring,key));
  return encryptedstring;
  }

url_encrypt('login.cfm', application.key);


// decrypt a url
function url_decrypt(passed_url, key) {
 unencrypted =
URLDecode(decrypt(tostring(tobinary(trim(passed_url))),trim(key)));
 return unencryptedstring;
 }

url_decrypt(myurl, application.key);





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RE: XML Post to server CFMX

[Jim Davis]

I believe that Dave is right here: CFHTTP (at least in CFMX) should be able
to do everything you need it to do.

Two thoughts however:

1) If you're having trouble using HTTPS in MX you may have to tweak things
to get it working.  Google "HTTPS CFHTTP CFMX" to see a bunch of stuff on
this, but this is a blog entry about importing the certs into the JRE:

http://www.bpurcell.org/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=843

2) I was under the impression (but it may have been for an old version) that
the MS XML HTTP object was not to be used as a server-side component, only
as a client-side.  Apparently there are (or were) some serious performance
issues when it was used in that way.

If you must use something other than CFHTTP in MX you may want to look for a
Java class instead of a COM object.  And if you must use COM you might want
to consider a more robust server-side component (like the one available at
serverobjects.com)

Hope this helps,

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RE: Hiding an action statement

[Dave Watts]

> What is the best way to hide/encrypt/disguise a url in an action
> statement in CF5, especially if they view source?
>
> I have a client with multiple sites with a submit form that points to
> ONE site which we would like to not display. The submittion goes there,
> appends a record to a database and generates a cfmail then does a 
> cflocate back to the original site.

You cannot prevent the user from seeing the URL to which you submit a form,
for obvious security reasons. You cannot prevent the user from being able to
see how the form works.

If you want to send data to a URL, and you don't want the user to see that
URL, don't put it in your form. Instead, let the user submit data to another
URL, and have the CF program at that URL send data to the ultimate
destination URL using CFHTTP.

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RE: XML Post to server CFMX

[Dave Watts]

> Is there a better way of posting XML over HTTPS and setting header info
> than the one below?

Have you tried just using CFHTTP?

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XML Post to server CFMX

[Paul Wilson]

Is there a better way of posting XML over HTTPS and setting header info
than the one below?


// create the object used to send XML to eBay API
xmlObjServer = CreateObject("COM",
"msxml2.serverxmlhttp");

// set the request headers for the HTTP request

// set SANDBOX variables in request headers
variables.Urlxml="https://test.com/api.dll";;
xmlObjServer.open( "post",
variables.Urlxml,"false");

xmlObjServer.setRequestHeader("Header1",
"test1");
xmlObjServer.setRequestHeader("Header2",
"test2");













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Re: Hiding an action statement

[Umer Farooq]

Hi,

   You can not encrypt the domain.. you can always hide it by pointing 
to a IP(if not on Virtual Hosting).. or by getting an another domain 
name.. that has no meaning.. like what GAP does for their mailings.. 
www.m0.net..

   For query strings.. etc.. you can use.. URLEncrypt and URLDecrypt UDF 
from CFLIB.org

   you can go a step further and use URLCheckHash and URLHash.. for 
higher security..


Terry Troxel wrote:
> What is the best way to hide/encrypt/disguise a url in an action statement
> in CF5,
> especially if they view source?
> 
> I have a client with multiple sites with a submit form that points to ONE
> site which
> we would like to not display. The submittion goes there, appends a record to
> a database
> and generates a cfmail then does a cflocate back to the original site.
> 
> I would appreciate any suggestions.
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Umer Farooq]

> Bug #1:
> 
> If I create a simple page to open a window, and close the parent Firefox
> behaves very bad, that's all I need to say Not browser specific
> code!!
> 

Not able to produce the problem.. likly something wrong with the 
JavaScript event listner.  again.. not sure as to how you are closing 
the window.. programmatically or trying to figure out if user closed the 
window..


> Bug#2:
> 
> The problem is with the URL in the style attribute, the image does not
> appear at all.

The width of the background image.. in ur code is set to 1PX..

> Bug #3:
> We have and Iframe that contains 2 more Iframes, and will not display in
> Firefox, this is also not IE specific code!!

Again.. not able to reproduce the problem.. I created.. three level deep 
  iframes..

> And as far as IE specific code goes, we are using a lot of it to deliver
> content management and Business Logic that we can not deliver in
> Firefox, Opera or even Netscape.

With no alternative to IE for a long time.. I understand this.. and if 
you have Windows specific code.. nothing much can be done about it.. as 
90% of the users are still on IE/Win.. and if you can add the 
functionality to place your app higher up then the others.. might as 
well do it.. but with FireFox going at the pace it is.. I wouldn't wana 
be left without support for it..

> If you would like me to send you the images for you to look at then I am
> more than happy to send an HTML email for you to see the problems at
> hand.

Sure.. email address below..

> But the point is that if our application can't run in anything else than
> a browser then we are creating more usability for MS products, that's
> the point I was trying to make.


Yes.. for a long time to come IE will still rule the web.. But as 
developers we can stop the push to MS products by adding cross 
compatibility.. and with FireFox, it just makes the whole thing lot 
easier.. to implement.. sell to higher up.. etc.. etc.. For me I'm just 
glad I don't have to do compatibility test with NN4.7 and NN6.0.. :-)

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Hiding an action statement

[Terry Troxel]

What is the best way to hide/encrypt/disguise a url in an action statement
in CF5,
especially if they view source?

I have a client with multiple sites with a submit form that points to ONE
site which
we would like to not display. The submittion goes there, appends a record to
a database
and generates a cfmail then does a cflocate back to the original site.

I would appreciate any suggestions.

Terry



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Re: Timezone and Daylight Savings

[Paul Hastings]

Stacy Young wrote:
> My question is someone asked about Daylight Savings and how that would
> affect people in other parts of the world. Is this something that one
> would need to account for? As far as I know it's hit and miss as to who

no it's not "hit or miss". depends a great deal on history, economic 
ties & physical location. i'd advise using java's TZ data & let your 
users pick their TZ (and let the underlying java worry about if and when 
they use DST, etc.):

http://www.sustainablegis.com/projects/tz/testTZCFC.cfm

however if you're only using UTC (not sure what you meant) then there's 
no point worrying about DST.

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

Bug #1:

If I create a simple page to open a window, and close the parent Firefox
behaves very bad, that's all I need to say Not browser specific
code!!

Bug#2:

The problem is with the URL in the style attribute, the image does not
appear at all.

Bug #3:
We have and Iframe that contains 2 more Iframes, and will not display in
Firefox, this is also not IE specific code!!

And as far as IE specific code goes, we are using a lot of it to deliver
content management and Business Logic that we can not deliver in
Firefox, Opera or even Netscape.

If you would like me to send you the images for you to look at then I am
more than happy to send an HTML email for you to see the problems at
hand.

But the point is that if our application can't run in anything else than
a browser then we are creating more usability for MS products, that's
the point I was trying to make.



-Original Message-
From: Umer Farooq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 2:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

Andrew Scott wrote:
> First of all there is no Var variable so I don't know what you're
> talking about, secondly the problem with the CSS is the actual url
style
> and nothing else.

First off.. the initial comment was regarding this.. "BUG #1"

 >>Lets talk about opening another window and trying to close the main
 >>window first, this under IE will give focus to our new window under
 >>Firefox it keeps the old window focused even if you try to focus the
 >>other window with the browser, which means that even the Javascript
is
 >>not even compatible! Bug #1.
 >>

Now.. like I said.. I don't know how you are openning windows.. or 
closing..

> Did you actually try the code, or just make the assumption?

Yes.. I did try the code.. hence the reference.. to cursor='hand'.. 
prop.. being only IE thing.. also.. what CSS url style issue are you 
referring to..


> Thridly IFrame is a w3c standard, and even that doesn't work. I have
> also looked at many other things that we use in IE that are needed for
> our application that we can tie down to one application across the
> entire organisation, what that means is we have an application that is
> fully configurable easy to create and less work for us with our
> framework and we can create anything within minutes.

Again.. I'm not aware of any IFrame parts.. that are in w3c standard and

not supported by FireFox.. if you know of any.. plz enlighten me to 
them.. as I would like to know.. I think.. this from one of your 
previous posts sums it all up..

 > delivering our application to the end user, we use specific
 > IE only functionality and it works.



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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Umer Farooq]

Andrew Scott wrote:
> First of all there is no Var variable so I don't know what you're
> talking about, secondly the problem with the CSS is the actual url style
> and nothing else.

First off.. the initial comment was regarding this.. "BUG #1"

 >>Lets talk about opening another window and trying to close the main
 >>window first, this under IE will give focus to our new window under
 >>Firefox it keeps the old window focused even if you try to focus the
 >>other window with the browser, which means that even the Javascript is
 >>not even compatible! Bug #1.
 >>

Now.. like I said.. I don't know how you are openning windows.. or 
closing..

> Did you actually try the code, or just make the assumption?

Yes.. I did try the code.. hence the reference.. to cursor='hand'.. 
prop.. being only IE thing.. also.. what CSS url style issue are you 
referring to..


> Thridly IFrame is a w3c standard, and even that doesn't work. I have
> also looked at many other things that we use in IE that are needed for
> our application that we can tie down to one application across the
> entire organisation, what that means is we have an application that is
> fully configurable easy to create and less work for us with our
> framework and we can create anything within minutes.

Again.. I'm not aware of any IFrame parts.. that are in w3c standard and 
not supported by FireFox.. if you know of any.. plz enlighten me to 
them.. as I would like to know.. I think.. this from one of your 
previous posts sums it all up..

 > delivering our application to the end user, we use specific
 > IE only functionality and it works.



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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

First of all there is no Var variable so I don't know what you're
talking about, secondly the problem with the CSS is the actual url style
and nothing else.

Did you actually try the code, or just make the assumption?

Thridly IFrame is a w3c standard, and even that doesn't work. I have
also looked at many other things that we use in IE that are needed for
our application that we can tie down to one application across the
entire organisation, what that means is we have an application that is
fully configurable easy to create and less work for us with our
framework and we can create anything within minutes.

We can not do what we are achieving on any other browser, and would mean
that the functionality that we do end up delivering to our clients is
minimal.

I'll say it again, Firefox doesn't support everything and work the way
you would think it will work, Netscape had the same problem, Mozilla has
had the same problems in the past, and their new creation firefox has
the same problems again.

I know everyone would love to ditch IE, I would too. But I can't it has
been around far too long, has some very nice additions that we do
leverage off to make an intranet application that kicks butt, and makes
us more money than we could ever hope to make if we did it in any other
browser.

My point is simple, Firefox might be good for general browsing, but its
not up to the task to deliver what we want and what we need.



-Original Message-
From: Umer Farooq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 1:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

Okay...

  For the first one... I'm assuming that... you got a var in js that is 
holding the new window... if its in the function that calls 
openwindow... try declaring it outside...  since I don't have ur code...

can't really comment on the exact cause..

  For #2... In the CSS spec there is no attribute.. "hand" for cursor.. 
try using "pointer".. I think that was the only problem there.. if wrong

plz correct me

  http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_cursor.asp

for #3 don't have the screen shot so can't comment.

 From the looks of it.. most of these are issues were IE has gone away 
from the standards.. or you have coded just for one browser.. which in 
my opinion defeats the purpose of having a web app.. anyhow if you were 
to compare browsers on standard compliance.. FireFox will win.. and with

any application.. the closely you follow standards.. the better off you 
are in the long run.. As eventually ev1 comes back to the standards.


--
Regards,

Andrew Scott wrote:
>  
> Hmmm,
>  
> Lets talk about opening another window and trying to close the main
> window first, this under IE will give focus to our new window under
> Firefox it keeps the old window focused even if you try to focus the
> other window with the browser, which means that even the Javascript is
> not even compatible! Bug #1.
>  
> Bug #2, in the following bit of code this will not work under Firefox.
>  onmouseover="this.style.cursor = 'hand';"
>
onclick="window.location.replace('nuMenu.cfm?MenuGroupCode=ARMASTER');">
>  
> Bug #3, As you can see by the attached images that it will not display
> IFrames correctly either.
>  
> Internet Explorer was used
> 
>  
> FireFox used to browse
> 
>  

>  

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Umer Farooq]

Okay...

  For the first one... I'm assuming that... you got a var in js that is 
holding the new window... if its in the function that calls 
openwindow... try declaring it outside...  since I don't have ur code... 
can't really comment on the exact cause..

  For #2... In the CSS spec there is no attribute.. "hand" for cursor.. 
try using "pointer".. I think that was the only problem there.. if wrong 
plz correct me

  http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_cursor.asp

for #3 don't have the screen shot so can't comment.

 From the looks of it.. most of these are issues were IE has gone away 
from the standards.. or you have coded just for one browser.. which in 
my opinion defeats the purpose of having a web app.. anyhow if you were 
to compare browsers on standard compliance.. FireFox will win.. and with 
any application.. the closely you follow standards.. the better off you 
are in the long run.. As eventually ev1 comes back to the standards.


--
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Andrew Scott wrote:
>  
> Hmmm,
>  
> Lets talk about opening another window and trying to close the main
> window first, this under IE will give focus to our new window under
> Firefox it keeps the old window focused even if you try to focus the
> other window with the browser, which means that even the Javascript is
> not even compatible! Bug #1.
>  
> Bug #2, in the following bit of code this will not work under Firefox.
>  onmouseover="this.style.cursor = 'hand';"
> onclick="window.location.replace('nuMenu.cfm?MenuGroupCode=ARMASTER');">
>  
> Bug #3, As you can see by the attached images that it will not display
> IFrames correctly either.
>  
> Internet Explorer was used
> 
>  
> FireFox used to browse
> 
>  

>  

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Rick Root]

Irvin Gomez wrote:
> 
> I find the two browsers very similar in functionality 

As they should be.

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[dave]

i do
i run a dual boot system with xp & suse 9.2 pro
as soon as MM gets off their butts and makes studio mx 2004 run on linux, xp is 
gone! cant wait to get fully rid of it
but i need at least flash & dw and they wont run on linux yet COME ON MM

like m$ told me that i probably got a bad copy so maybe im tainted but i also 
tried the xp home that came with comp with same results
even after m$ told me i probably had a bad copy they laughed when i asked them 
to stand behind it and replace it & i bought it at bestbuy and they wont take 
back opened software, so im hosed

either way that wasnt even the beginning of my hatred towards them.
and now as i get into the who w3c thing i see just had bad they really are

im not saying firefox is the be-all end-all as i like other browsers too, i 
currently have opera (which has come a long ways), mozilla, netscape, 
konqueror(sp?).

the only time i even open ie is to do the final ie bug checks before finished

and truthfully, i wouldnt sit her and rag on them as much if they'd at least 
try and follow the web standards which would surely help us all out. But thats 
to much to ask of them

-- Original Message --
From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:02:57 -0500

>> -Original Message-
>> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:23 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>> 
>> [quote]I applaud the efforts MS has been taking to ensure that people are
>> patched.  It's actually very easy to keep your system patched if you
>> follow their recommendations (patches are automatically downloaded and
>> reminders automatically occur until you install them). [/quote]
>> 
>> but i sure know a lot of ppl (including myself) that run just about any m$
>> update and everything crashes
>
>I've had very little problems with updates in my life.  I wonder why, if
>after "just about any" update you end up with an unstable system you're
>still using Windows at all?
>
>I've personally been quite pleased with my experiences overall (isolated
>events notwithstanding).  But if I had the trouble you describe I would have
>gone to Mac or Linux long ago.
>
>Jim Davis
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Joins

[Stuart Kidd]

Sorry, excuse my complete newbie DB skills but is that a SELECT DISTINCT on
the query written below?


On 7/12/04 12:53 am, "Bryan Love" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Just do a "SELECT DISTINCT..."
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Joins
> 
> Hi, I'm getting an error with both your reply and Michaels so I don't
> know
> if it's something I explained incorrectly.
> 
> I'm getting this error:
> 
> http://www.020.com/webs/020/content.cfm?writers
> 
> 
>  [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Invalid column name
> 'articleAuthenticated'.
> 
> I do however have that column name.  It is in the tbl_020articleDetails
> table.
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID
> and
>>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>>>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Saturday
> 
> On 6/12/04 11:04 pm, "Adrocknaphobia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Well there are a million ways to SQL a cat. Here is one:
>> 
>> SELECT Q.authorID, A.authorFirstName, A.authorSurname,
> A.articleAuthenticated
>> FROM 
>> (
>> SELECT authorID FROM tbl_020articleDetails
>> WHERE articleAuthenticated = 1
>> GROUP BY authorID
>> ) Q INNER JOIN tbl_020authorDetails A ON Q.authorID = A.authorID
>> 
>> Should do the trick.
>> 
>> -Adam
>> 
>> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:45:37 -, Stuart Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
>>> tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
>>> all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying the
> authors
>>> who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
>>> 
>>> The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two
> articles
>>> published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course
> I
>>> only want it outputted the once.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone see where I'm going wrong?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID
> and
>>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much for your help.
>>> 
>>> Saturday
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

 
Hmmm,
 
Lets talk about opening another window and trying to close the main
window first, this under IE will give focus to our new window under
Firefox it keeps the old window focused even if you try to focus the
other window with the browser, which means that even the Javascript is
not even compatible! Bug #1.
 
Bug #2, in the following bit of code this will not work under Firefox.

 
Bug #3, As you can see by the attached images that it will not display
IFrames correctly either.
 
Internet Explorer was used

 
FireFox used to browse

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Umer Farooq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 11:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
 
Im now very curious to know what "certian" Iframe and javascript you are

doing that.. can't be done in FireFox.. a hint plz.. i'm dying to know..
 
 
Andrew Scott wrote:
> I ran our intranet system we designed for a client, and it did not
work
> under firefox 1.0... I would love to show you but we use iframes
heavily
> with certain javascript and IE features to create a complex intranet
> application. Firefox can't even provide the first step to our login
> approach.
> 
 
> 
 
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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Umer Farooq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:37 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
> 
> Ahh.. yes.. tab browsing.. do you find ur self hitting.. Ctrl+T in IE..
> :-) I do it all the time..

No but I find myself middle clicking whether I'm in Avant Browser or IE.
;^)

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:23 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
> 
> [quote]I applaud the efforts MS has been taking to ensure that people are
> patched.  It's actually very easy to keep your system patched if you
> follow their recommendations (patches are automatically downloaded and
> reminders automatically occur until you install them). [/quote]
> 
> but i sure know a lot of ppl (including myself) that run just about any m$
> update and everything crashes

I've had very little problems with updates in my life.  I wonder why, if
after "just about any" update you end up with an unstable system you're
still using Windows at all?

I've personally been quite pleased with my experiences overall (isolated
events notwithstanding).  But if I had the trouble you describe I would have
gone to Mac or Linux long ago.

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 6:55 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
> 
> All these problems seem like the original application could use some
> good old MVC to seperate the presentation layer. Then 'upgrading' to
> or for other browsers / flash / VB should be a snap.

That depends on where your logic lies.

In our HTA applications, for example, the presentation is completely
decoupled from the middle-ware, but is still IE specific (as only IE
supports HTA).

Of course this isn't really a "browser" issue as HTA doesn't implement the
browser interface or security model.

You could, of course, move to a different client-technology, but only one
that gave you the same capabilities - and no other browser does.  We could
go to, say, power-builder or Visual Basic but not to FireFox.

(Although even there there are just a few, fairly small things, that FireFox
can't do - and they all relate to the security model.)

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RE: Joins

[Bryan Love]

Just do a "SELECT DISTINCT..."

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Joins

Hi, I'm getting an error with both your reply and Michaels so I don't
know
if it's something I explained incorrectly.

I'm getting this error:

http://www.020.com/webs/020/content.cfm?writers


 [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Invalid column name
'articleAuthenticated'.

I do however have that column name.  It is in the tbl_020articleDetails
table.

>> 
>> 
>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID
and
>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>>  

Thanks,

Saturday

On 6/12/04 11:04 pm, "Adrocknaphobia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Well there are a million ways to SQL a cat. Here is one:
> 
> SELECT Q.authorID, A.authorFirstName, A.authorSurname,
A.articleAuthenticated
> FROM 
> (
> SELECT authorID FROM tbl_020articleDetails
> WHERE articleAuthenticated = 1
> GROUP BY authorID
> ) Q INNER JOIN tbl_020authorDetails A ON Q.authorID = A.authorID
> 
> Should do the trick.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:45:37 -, Stuart Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
>> tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
>> all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying the
authors
>> who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
>> 
>> The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two
articles
>> published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course
I
>> only want it outputted the once.
>> 
>> Can anyone see where I'm going wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID
and
>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks very much for your help.
>> 
>> Saturday
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: valid e-mail addresses

[Umer Farooq]

You can also checkout.. isEmail UDF at www.cflib.org


Spike wrote:
> It's actually fiendishly difficult to write a regex, or even a set of 
> regexes to fully validate the syntax of an email address.
> 
> Once you've done that you still have the problem of people entering 
> emails like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is almost certainly not their own.
> 
> The most reliable approach is usually to send an email that requires the 
> recipient to take some action to verify that they received the message.
> 
> Beyond that, I typically use a very simple regex something like 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to validate that the basic syntax could be an email 
> address.
> 
> Spike
> 


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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Umer Farooq]

Ahh.. yes.. tab browsing.. do you find ur self hitting.. Ctrl+T in IE.. 
:-) I do it all the time..

Duncan I Loxton wrote:
> Real Estate site in Australia:
> 
> 92% IE in November of 18 million visits. Down from 93.19% in October
> of 17 million visits.
> 
> We administer this site and all of IT have moved over to Firefox - I
> do all my browsing in it, because its got a warm fuzzy feeling and it
> works. It uses proper standards, has tabbed browsing (love it) and the
> developer toolbar helps a load for looking for faults etc.
> 
> 

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[dave]

amen brother amen :)

-- Original Message --
From: Duncan I Loxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:21:19 +1100

>Real Estate site in Australia:
>
>92% IE in November of 18 million visits. Down from 93.19% in October
>of 17 million visits.
>
>We administer this site and all of IT have moved over to Firefox - I
>do all my browsing in it, because its got a warm fuzzy feeling and it
>works. It uses proper standards, has tabbed browsing (love it) and the
>developer toolbar helps a load for looking for faults etc.
>
>

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[dave]

so whats ie got that the others dont that make it so magically special? 
(besides bugs & holes?)

do u think its just an accident that M$ doesnt make their browser follow the 
guidelines by w3c? I think not, just follow the monopoly highway and u'll have 
your answer.
so while everyone says this and that what i have noticed is that we have all 
these problems with cross browsers because m$ is too "good" to have to follow 
the guidelines which only help us all. and they arent gunna change a damn 
friggin thing until we make them.


-- Original Message --
From: "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:24:13 +1100

>First of all,
>
>As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications, Intranets,
>Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can say that every browser
>on the market today is NOT capable of delivering our application to the
>end user, we use specific IE only functionality and it works. We will
>not remove any of this to run it under Firefox because our application
>is what is making us over $200K per application, because we can do what
>others can not.
>
>This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the client wants
>the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.
>
>Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I am not
>saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I am not saying
>that I like IE over anything else, I am saying that IE is the only
>browser that will run our application at the moment.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 8:22 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>
>are u serious??? LMFAO!!!
>
>"we" don't use it as a standard, you may but surely don't include me
>wait till u start to make compliant wrbsites then say that.
>
>its more like ppl use ie because they don't know any better or they
>don't know they have "better" choices.
>
>its funny u say this because i read an article where steve balmer said
>like a week ago that m$ wont add "enhancements" because their customers
>dont want them. WHich more than likely isnt the case, its more like they
>dont know that they can have a better browser experience without ie. I
>remember that i used to think that i would never use say, tabbed
>browsing. until i tried it, now i cant live without it.
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:37:26 +1100
>
>>Not to mention that we use IE as a standard for our intranet systems we
>>design, why because NO other browser is capable of delivering the
>>content enhancements we need in the browser, and that is what will make
>>IE remain strong...
>>
>>Regards,
>>Andrew Scott
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 3:19 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>>
>>I maintain / have access to the logs of about 15 sites. The commercial
>>and
>>financial ones all have MSIE above 92% and holding. The purely
>financial
>>ones are 95%+.
>>
>>The one pure art site (photography) has MSIE at 65%, and an awful lot
>of
>>unknowns. Mac O/S is about 25%.
>>
>>IE will remains strong until tech departments replace IE with Opera or
>>Firefox. The sad thing is I  inadvertently help IE remain strong. I use
>>IE a
>>lot because I need to know how IE renders my client's sites.  I love
>>using
>>Opera but I need to know how they view the web. The end result is my
>>usage
>>helps pad IE's numbers.
>>
>>Gilbert Midonnet
>>GLM Designs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:55 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>>
>>
>>Apache puts out a lot of security patches. Those don't get as much
>>press as IIS. I might be hard to say whether Apache or IIS gets more
>>patches. My gut feel is that Apache makes patches available faster
>>than Microsoft does for IIS but, again, no hard evidence on my part...
>>
>>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:05:47 -0800, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> That whole "its used more so there is more exploits for it" argument
>>> is one of those ones I just ignore. Apache is the most used web
>>> server, but there are far more IIS exploits - why... because Apache
>is
>>> better software.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: sql LIKE question

[Charles Heizer]

What is the column type in the database, and what kind of database is  
it?

- Charles


On Dec 6, 2004, at 3:10 PM, Scott Mulholland wrote:

> Is there any way to force LIKE to match on leading zeros?  If I have a
> query along the lines of:
>
> select accountkey
> from companies
> where accountno LIKE '%#searchString#%'
>
> and I search with a string of: 0059
>
> I am getting results like:
>
> 05976574
> 12343459
> 59748311
>
> It treats it as if I entered "59" in the search string.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
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> [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]
>
>
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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[dave]

[quote]I applaud the efforts MS has been taking to ensure that people are 
patched.  It's actually very easy to keep your system patched if you follow 
their recommendations (patches are automatically downloaded and reminders 
automatically occur until you install them). [/quote]

but i sure know a lot of ppl (including myself) that run just about any m$ 
update and everything crashes



-- Original Message --
From: Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:06:39 -0400

>> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:35:06 -0400, Jim Davis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > >> The question is whether or not FireFox in mass use would reduce 
>> spyware -
>> > >> I'm not sure it would.  It very well might - I just don't know.
>> > >
>> > >IE installs software without your consent - so yes it would reduce 
>> it
>> > >(using logic and experience not stats). After I install firefox on
>> > >systems and run spybot a month or two later there isn't any spyware.
>> 
>> > 
>> > No it doesn't.
>> 
>> I am afraid it does. Run spybot on your system every once in a while,
>> bet you'll find some if you browse with IE - patch system or not
>
>Beleive me - I religiously run scanners and with a fully patched system have 
>yet to encouter any getting through.  Do you have a URL that could demonstrate 
>this?
>
>> > Or will we continue to compare the initial release of IE with the 
>> current release of FireFox?  Anonymous installation of software was a 
>> bug.  A bug that's been addressed.  Any software that took advantage 
>> of that bug is legitimatly "viral" and can and should be caught by any 
>> off-the-shelf virus checking software.
>> 
>> So what you are saying is, those people who "can't install software"
>> are supposed to keep their system patched? IE will be a problem for a
>> long long time, because if you find a flaw in it you often get to 0wn
>> the whole box.
>
>I applaud the efforts MS has been taking to ensure that people are patched.  
>It's actually very easy to keep your system patched if you follow their 
>recommendations (patches are automatically downloaded and reminders 
>automatically occur until you install them).
>
>> > I think we're all in agreement that the first step to good security 
>> is to patch your systems as recommended by your vendor.  (Even the 
>> gentlemen in Jochem's reference link admits that none of the software 
>> installed could have been installed with a fully patched system.  
>> Although I can't see what good point can be made by testing on five 
>> year old, unpatched software.)
>> > 
>> > I think we can also all be agreement is that the second step in good 
>> security is to run up-to-date virus checkers and firewalls.
>> > 
>> 
>> Thirdly run software that is well written, under active development,
>> and had something added to it this century.
>
>This isn't really helpful.  It's the hyperbole and fanaticism that get my 
>hackles up more than anything else.  IE IS in desperate need of an update - 
>however it is under "active development" as we do see quick service to address 
>security issues.
>
>> > Also, there will be spyware on many people's ForeFox machines 
>> because, just as always, they can easily be tricked into installing it.  
>> Can you (or, humbly, I) be tricked?  Probably not - but that's not who 
>> we're talking about - "the masses" definately can be and are.
>> > 
>> 
>> I have yet to find a piece of spy ware on my girlfriends or her 
>> bosses
>> computer after we moved them to firefox. I just don't think you are
>> talking form experience here.
>
>A lot of it depends on how you use the machine and where you browse.  My 
>father, for example, used to spend a lot of time on file sharing programs 
>looking for vintage music: LOTS of spyware, but essentially no IE activity.
>
>Many sites link directly to EXEs, other link to downloads that have to be run 
>manually, but also install spyware.
>
>I also maintain that as soon as FireFox gains the market share it deserves the 
>installation procedures for spyware will be modified to adapt.
>
>> > FireFox is a great browser, but it's not a panacea for bad human 
>> behavior.
>> 
>> True that
>
>I guess one aspect of this that bothers me is that I rarely here any chants 
>against the actual spyware vendors.  It's all "MS sucks!  They're why we have 
>spyware!"
>
>I think it's the spyware vendors, the ones tricking my dad and mom and wife 
>and mother-in-law that need to be strung up by the short and curlies.  ;^)
>
>Jim Davis
>
>

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Duncan I Loxton]

Real Estate site in Australia:

92% IE in November of 18 million visits. Down from 93.19% in October
of 17 million visits.

We administer this site and all of IT have moved over to Firefox - I
do all my browsing in it, because its got a warm fuzzy feeling and it
works. It uses proper standards, has tabbed browsing (love it) and the
developer toolbar helps a load for looking for faults etc.

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Umer Farooq]

Im now very curious to know what "certian" Iframe and javascript you are 
doing that.. can't be done in FireFox.. a hint plz.. i'm dying to know..


Andrew Scott wrote:
> I ran our intranet system we designed for a client, and it did not work
> under firefox 1.0... I would love to show you but we use iframes heavily
> with certain javascript and IE features to create a complex intranet
> application. Firefox can't even provide the first step to our login
> approach.
> 

> 

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Re: Joins

[Stuart Kidd]

Hi, I'm getting an error with both your reply and Michaels so I don't know
if it's something I explained incorrectly.

I'm getting this error:

http://www.020.com/webs/020/content.cfm?writers


 [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Invalid column name
'articleAuthenticated'.

I do however have that column name.  It is in the tbl_020articleDetails
table.

>> 
>> 
>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID and
>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>>  

Thanks,

Saturday

On 6/12/04 11:04 pm, "Adrocknaphobia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Well there are a million ways to SQL a cat. Here is one:
> 
> SELECT Q.authorID, A.authorFirstName, A.authorSurname, A.articleAuthenticated
> FROM 
> (
> SELECT authorID FROM tbl_020articleDetails
> WHERE articleAuthenticated = 1
> GROUP BY authorID
> ) Q INNER JOIN tbl_020authorDetails A ON Q.authorID = A.authorID
> 
> Should do the trick.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:45:37 -, Stuart Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
>> tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
>> all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying the authors
>> who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
>> 
>> The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two articles
>> published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course I
>> only want it outputted the once.
>> 
>> Can anyone see where I'm going wrong?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
>> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
>> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
>> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID and
>> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks very much for your help.
>> 
>> Saturday
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

Our application is designed on a framework that has evolved over 2
years, the framework has nothing to do whether it is compliant or not
and is designed to work and be able to create an application that is
easy to put together (that's the idea behind a framework).

The application we create has to meat the requirements of the company we
create it for, if that means local accessibility laws then the answer is
yes, but as we don't need to as the application we deliver is based of
the clients old software application that is 25 years old we do what the
client wants, and needs.

Having said that we use Iframes within Iframes, and divs and as I said
earlier we try our application on other browsers on every new release
and to date we have not had one non IE browser run our intranet sites.
And at 200k a pop we are not going to remove critical functionality and
functionality that is critical to our success to cripple our future, to
be savvy because of the new flavour browser that might be not be around
in 2 years time. Firefox is what generation browser now, and have they
learnt anything yet?



-Original Message-
From: Paul Vernon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

> We will not remove any of this to run it under Firefox because our 
> application is what is making us over $200K per application, because 
> we can do what others can not.

I just have a couple of questions? 

Does your app need comply with any local accessibility laws? That is to
say,
do your clients need to provide an equal opportinities workplace where
disabled people are not discriminated against and can use any of the
applications that their able bodied colleagues use with impunity?

If so, does your application comply with the relevant accessibility
guidelines? 

If not, aren't you worried about that or is it a case of you'll worry
about
it when the time comes?

If it doesn't need to comply then great, stick with what you are doing!
At
$200k a pop, I think I would But then looking to the future, maybe
looking more deeply into what Firefox (or any other browser for that
matter)
supports so that you can produce an application with the same
funciotnality
that is currently in place might not be such a bad idea...

I'd certainly wager that you may not be able to do the job in the same
way
if you went browser independent but human ingenuity would find a way to
implement it anyway! This is the way of things...

And BTW, I am a Firefox and IE user, and having used the Internet in one
form or another since the early nineties, I regard myself as an old time
experienced Internet user... For the first time ever, last week I got
duped
into running some spyware in Firefox... Let me tell you spyware installs
just as easily in Firefox as it does in IE Nasty little thing... I
manged to undo the damage it did but it took 2 hours using Adaware,
Spybot,
Panda AV, Trend HouseCall, Norton, Mcafee, Bitdefender and half an hour
in
regedit to find and remove all the last little bits of the thing... God
help
the uninitiated

Paul




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RE: MSVCP60.dll and CFMX 6.1 for J2EE

[Figy, Kam]

I had a similar problem a while ago but it was that Verity doesn't work
without it installed. I think there are MM technotes about it somewhere.
MSVCP60.dll is the MS Visual C++ 6.0 runtime library, if that helps at
all.

Hope that (vaguely) helps,
Kam

-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 11:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MSVCP60.dll and CFMX 6.1 for J2EE

Can someone explain to me what CFMX needs MSVCP60.dll for? I've
inherited yet another server to manage and when any of the instance are
started it throws 2 errors saying that MSVCP60.dll is missing.

The instances seem to run fine without them, however I am having
problems with JRun clustering. Could these issues be related?

-Adam



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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

Dave,

No we have never lost a sale, because the companies we deal with know
that they are getting a good deal and know that the application is
delivered to their requirements which no other developer is able to do
with out creating a client/server application that is not browser based,
which costs more than what we deliver.



-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

> As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications, 
> Intranets, Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can 
> say that every browser on the market today is NOT capable of 
> delivering our application to the end user, we use specific 
> IE only functionality and it works. We will not remove any of 
> this to run it under Firefox because our application is what 
> is making us over $200K per application, because we can do 
> what others can not.
> 
> This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the 
> client wants the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.
> 
> Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I 
> am not saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I 
> am not saying that I like IE over anything else, I am saying 
> that IE is the only browser that will run our application at 
> the moment.

Do you think it's possible you've ever lost a sale because of this
requirement? If so, would the money lost from that sale have covered the
cost of changing your application to work with other browsers?

If the answer to both of these is no, then you're ok. If the answer to
both
is yes, then you're leaving money on the table. Assuming you can
correctly
answer both of these questions, they're all you need to ask.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: valid e-mail addresses

[Spike]

It's actually fiendishly difficult to write a regex, or even a set of 
regexes to fully validate the syntax of an email address.

Once you've done that you still have the problem of people entering 
emails like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is almost certainly not their own.

The most reliable approach is usually to send an email that requires the 
recipient to take some action to verify that they received the message.

Beyond that, I typically use a very simple regex something like 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" to validate that the basic syntax could be an email address.

Spike

Ken Ketsdever wrote:
>  
> I am writing an application that will be used to send 25,000 or so e-mails 
> once a month.  I am also trying to define a valid e-mail address to keep the 
> db clean by preventing people from enter invalid email addresses.   I've 
> tried reading rfc822 and 2822.  Can't say it helped much.  RFCs are  level of 
> geekdom that I've yet to achieve.  
>  
> Does anyone know of a good source for identifying the rules for a valid email 
> address?
>  
> Some of the problems I am up against:
>  
> I know and underscore can be used in the first section of an email address.
> FirstName_LastName@
>  
>  
> But can it be the first or last character?
> _FirstName_Lastname@
> or
> FirstName_LastName_@
>  
> The RegEx I am using doesn't allow the first or last charcter to be an 
> underscore.
> It also prevents nonAlpha-numeric characters from being together.
>  
> so Ken_.ketsdever@  is invalid per the regex.
>  
> Any and all help is appreciated. 
>  
>  
>  
> Ken Ketsdever
> Web Developer
> www.BloodSource.org  
> (916) 453-3718
>  
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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Paul Vernon]

> We will not remove any of this to run it under Firefox because our 
> application is what is making us over $200K per application, because 
> we can do what others can not.

I just have a couple of questions? 

Does your app need comply with any local accessibility laws? That is to say,
do your clients need to provide an equal opportinities workplace where
disabled people are not discriminated against and can use any of the
applications that their able bodied colleagues use with impunity?

If so, does your application comply with the relevant accessibility
guidelines? 

If not, aren't you worried about that or is it a case of you'll worry about
it when the time comes?

If it doesn't need to comply then great, stick with what you are doing! At
$200k a pop, I think I would But then looking to the future, maybe
looking more deeply into what Firefox (or any other browser for that matter)
supports so that you can produce an application with the same funciotnality
that is currently in place might not be such a bad idea...

I'd certainly wager that you may not be able to do the job in the same way
if you went browser independent but human ingenuity would find a way to
implement it anyway! This is the way of things...

And BTW, I am a Firefox and IE user, and having used the Internet in one
form or another since the early nineties, I regard myself as an old time
experienced Internet user... For the first time ever, last week I got duped
into running some spyware in Firefox... Let me tell you spyware installs
just as easily in Firefox as it does in IE Nasty little thing... I
manged to undo the damage it did but it took 2 hours using Adaware, Spybot,
Panda AV, Trend HouseCall, Norton, Mcafee, Bitdefender and half an hour in
regedit to find and remove all the last little bits of the thing... God help
the uninitiated

Paul


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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Adrocknaphobia]

All these problems seem like the original application could use some
good old MVC to seperate the presentation layer. Then 'upgrading' to
or for other browsers / flash / VB should be a snap.

-Adam


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:47:25 -0800, Ken Ketsdever
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We have several of these type of applcations in house and what a pain in the 
> ass.
> 
> Application A uses I.E. 5 - 5.5 it breaks on anything else and there is no 
> plan on updating anytime soon.
> 
> Application B uses IE 5 - 5.5 but will be moving to I.E. 6 with the next 
> release (early next year) It will no longer run on IE 5 - 5.5.
> 
> So as of early next year we are hosed.  We have to resolve the issue in house 
> or change applications because someone is refusing to make their application 
> work with other other versions of IE let alone more compliant browser.  We 
> are now looking at alternative applications that are not as browser specific. 
>  In other words we are taking our money off the table.
> 
> 
> 
> > As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications,
> > Intranets, Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can
> > say that every browser on the market today is NOT capable of
> > delivering our application to the end user, we use specific
> > IE only functionality and it works. We will not remove any of
> > this to run it under Firefox because our application is what
> > is making us over $200K per application, because we can do
> > what others can not.
> >
> > This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the
> > client wants the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.
> >
> > Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I
> > am not saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I
> > am not saying that I like IE over anything else, I am saying
> > that IE is the only browser that will run our application at
> > the moment.
> 
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RE: CFLOGIN

[Paul]

That actually is useful information, thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFLOGIN

I'm a bit proponent of CFLOGIN, however it is a bit tricky and is,
unfortuinately, broken now. I used to recommend it to folks, and now I
recommend against it. There is a bug (in the process of being logged)
that involves the session based version of CFLOGIN that was introduced
in CFMX 6.1. That means only the Cookie version is safe. That being
said, if you want to tie CFLOGIN/Cookie to a session, it IS possible,
just not super simple.

I _really_ like CFLOGIN, and I hope/assume the Session security hole
will be fixed in Blackstone.

That probably doesn't help you much. 


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:01:12 -0700, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was developing CF apps well before they came up with their CFLOGIN
scheme,
> and I still have yet to take time to investigate it much.
> 
> Do you all make use of these built in authentication tags?  Are there
> shortcomings I should be aware of that negate any gains?  I'm intrigued by
> the ability to control access to CFC functions using the ROLES attribute,
> but wary of trying a new authentication method when I'm comfortable in my
> ways.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 



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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Ken Ketsdever]

We have several of these type of applcations in house and what a pain in the 
ass. 

Application A uses I.E. 5 - 5.5 it breaks on anything else and there is no plan 
on updating anytime soon.  

Application B uses IE 5 - 5.5 but will be moving to I.E. 6 with the next 
release (early next year) It will no longer run on IE 5 - 5.5.

So as of early next year we are hosed.  We have to resolve the issue in house 
or change applications because someone is refusing to make their application 
work with other other versions of IE let alone more compliant browser.  We are 
now looking at alternative applications that are not as browser specific.  In 
other words we are taking our money off the table.

> As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications, 
> Intranets, Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can 
> say that every browser on the market today is NOT capable of 
> delivering our application to the end user, we use specific 
> IE only functionality and it works. We will not remove any of 
> this to run it under Firefox because our application is what 
> is making us over $200K per application, because we can do 
> what others can not.
> 
> This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the 
> client wants the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.
> 
> Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I 
> am not saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I 
> am not saying that I like IE over anything else, I am saying 
> that IE is the only browser that will run our application at 
> the moment.

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RE: valid e-mail addresses

[Paul Vernon]

If you are running on Windows then I wrote a CFX tool that will let you run
a regular expression against a query list of e-mail addresses, you can then
do MX lookups against the domain and if you are really in for the its got to
be totally clean type list, it can actually connect to the servers as
defined by the MX responses and checks the address using a couple of
techniques without actually sending an e-mail Funnily enough, I called
it CFX_ValidEmail :) 

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The regex tests are blisteringly fast... The MX is somewhat slower... The
SMTP connection is slower again but it guarantees that the server will
accept e-mail for the address you are checking... Whether it would bounce a
mail later (MS servers do this) is a different matter...

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valid e-mail addresses

[Ken Ketsdever]

 
I am writing an application that will be used to send 25,000 or so e-mails once 
a month.  I am also trying to define a valid e-mail address to keep the db 
clean by preventing people from enter invalid email addresses.   I've tried 
reading rfc822 and 2822.  Can't say it helped much.  RFCs are  level of geekdom 
that I've yet to achieve.  
 
Does anyone know of a good source for identifying the rules for a valid email 
address?
 
Some of the problems I am up against:
 
I know and underscore can be used in the first section of an email address.
FirstName_LastName@
 
 
But can it be the first or last character?
_FirstName_Lastname@
or
FirstName_LastName_@
 
The RegEx I am using doesn't allow the first or last charcter to be an 
underscore.
It also prevents nonAlpha-numeric characters from being together.
 
so Ken_.ketsdever@  is invalid per the regex.
 
Any and all help is appreciated. 
 
 
 
Ken Ketsdever
Web Developer
www.BloodSource.org  
(916) 453-3718
 

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Dave Watts]

> As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications, 
> Intranets, Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can 
> say that every browser on the market today is NOT capable of 
> delivering our application to the end user, we use specific 
> IE only functionality and it works. We will not remove any of 
> this to run it under Firefox because our application is what 
> is making us over $200K per application, because we can do 
> what others can not.
> 
> This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the 
> client wants the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.
> 
> Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I 
> am not saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I 
> am not saying that I like IE over anything else, I am saying 
> that IE is the only browser that will run our application at 
> the moment.

Do you think it's possible you've ever lost a sale because of this
requirement? If so, would the money lost from that sale have covered the
cost of changing your application to work with other browsers?

If the answer to both of these is no, then you're ok. If the answer to both
is yes, then you're leaving money on the table. Assuming you can correctly
answer both of these questions, they're all you need to ask.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Joins

[Michael T. Tangorre]

 
> From: Stuart Kidd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
> tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
> all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying 
> the authors
> who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
> The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two articles
> published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course I
> only want it outputted the once.

How about...

SELECT 
DISTINCT
TBL1.tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
TBL1.authorFirstName, 
TBL1.authorSurname
FROM 
tbl_020authorDetails TBL1
INNER JOIN  tbl_020articleDetails TBL2 ON (TBL1.authorID =
TBL2.authorID)
WHERE
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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

First of all,

As I LMAO at you, being a developer for HTML applications, Intranets,
Extranets and websites for over 10 years. I can say that every browser
on the market today is NOT capable of delivering our application to the
end user, we use specific IE only functionality and it works. We will
not remove any of this to run it under Firefox because our application
is what is making us over $200K per application, because we can do what
others can not.

This forces people to use IE on these intranets, but if the client wants
the application to run then it has to be IE or nothing.

Now before you Laugh again, think about what you're saying. I am not
saying that IE is the best thing since sliced bread, I am not saying
that I like IE over anything else, I am saying that IE is the only
browser that will run our application at the moment.



-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 8:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

are u serious??? LMFAO!!!

"we" don't use it as a standard, you may but surely don't include me
wait till u start to make compliant wrbsites then say that.

its more like ppl use ie because they don't know any better or they
don't know they have "better" choices.

its funny u say this because i read an article where steve balmer said
like a week ago that m$ wont add "enhancements" because their customers
dont want them. WHich more than likely isnt the case, its more like they
dont know that they can have a better browser experience without ie. I
remember that i used to think that i would never use say, tabbed
browsing. until i tried it, now i cant live without it.


-- Original Message --
From: "Andrew Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:37:26 +1100

>Not to mention that we use IE as a standard for our intranet systems we
>design, why because NO other browser is capable of delivering the
>content enhancements we need in the browser, and that is what will make
>IE remain strong...
>
>Regards,
>Andrew Scott
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 3:19 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>
>I maintain / have access to the logs of about 15 sites. The commercial
>and
>financial ones all have MSIE above 92% and holding. The purely
financial
>ones are 95%+.
>
>The one pure art site (photography) has MSIE at 65%, and an awful lot
of
>unknowns. Mac O/S is about 25%.
>
>IE will remains strong until tech departments replace IE with Opera or
>Firefox. The sad thing is I  inadvertently help IE remain strong. I use
>IE a
>lot because I need to know how IE renders my client's sites.  I love
>using
>Opera but I need to know how they view the web. The end result is my
>usage
>helps pad IE's numbers.
>
>Gilbert Midonnet
>GLM Designs
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 9:55 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)
>
>
>Apache puts out a lot of security patches. Those don't get as much
>press as IIS. I might be hard to say whether Apache or IIS gets more
>patches. My gut feel is that Apache makes patches available faster
>than Microsoft does for IIS but, again, no hard evidence on my part...
>
>On Sun, 5 Dec 2004 18:05:47 -0800, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That whole "its used more so there is more exploits for it" argument
>> is one of those ones I just ignore. Apache is the most used web
>> server, but there are far more IIS exploits - why... because Apache
is
>> better software.
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Andrew Scott]

I ran our intranet system we designed for a client, and it did not work
under firefox 1.0... I would love to show you but we use iframes heavily
with certain javascript and IE features to create a complex intranet
application. Firefox can't even provide the first step to our login
approach.

Now if anyone is serious in knocking IE out of the water then it needs
to be the same functionality wise and better than IE is now to even be a
serious player in this game.

Regards,
Andrew Scott



-Original Message-
From: Mike Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2004 4:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

Im curious what content enhancements that you need, that only IE can 
provide it? I have found FireFox to be by far the most extensible and 
open browser there is.

mike chambers

On Dec 5, 2004, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:

> Not to mention that we use IE as a standard for our intranet systems
we
> design, why because NO other browser is capable of delivering the
> content enhancements we need in the browser, and that is what will
make
> IE remain strong...
>
> Regards,
> Andrew Scott



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sql LIKE question

[Scott Mulholland]

Is there any way to force LIKE to match on leading zeros?  If I have a
query along the lines of:
 
select accountkey
from companies
where accountno LIKE '%#searchString#%'
 
and I search with a string of: 0059
 
I am getting results like:
 
05976574
12343459
59748311
 
It treats it as if I entered "59" in the search string.
 
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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Rob]

This is where the healing begins

:)

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 17:47:41 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When is this abortive, bootless, counterproductive, disadvantageous,
> dysfunctional, expendable, feckless, fruitless, futile,
> good-for-nothing, hopeless, idle, impracticable, impractical,
> incompetent, ineffective, ineffectual, inept, inoperative, inutile,
> meaningless, no good, nonfunctional, pointless, profitless,
> purposeless, scrap, stupid, unavailable, unavailing, unfunctional,
> unproductive, unprofitable, unpurposed, unusable, unworkable, vain,
> valueless, waste, weak, worthless thread going to end?
> 
> I think we all get it by now. M$ means Microsoft sucks; Firefox is the
> greatest thing since sliced bread and altough usage is _maybe_ 1 in
> 10.. that statistic is equivalent to Nostradamus predicting the demise
> of IE. If it's open source its obviously a better product... and more
> secure. My daddy like Firefox and my daddy it smarter than your daddy.
> Windows XP sucks, spyware is everyones fault but your own, especially
> Microsoft. In fact Microsoft is to blame for cancer, aids and a second
> Bush term.
> 
> That pretty much sum it up?
> 
> Furthermore if any of you paid any attention to Macromedia you would
> see that their vision of the future does not include HTML, so who
> cares if FireFox will one day surpass IE?!?!?!
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Re: Joins

[Adrocknaphobia]

Well there are a million ways to SQL a cat. Here is one:

SELECT Q.authorID, A.authorFirstName, A.authorSurname, A.articleAuthenticated
FROM 
(
SELECT authorID FROM tbl_020articleDetails
WHERE articleAuthenticated = 1
GROUP BY authorID
) Q INNER JOIN tbl_020authorDetails A ON Q.authorID = A.authorID

Should do the trick.

-Adam

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:45:37 -, Stuart Kidd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
> tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
> all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying the authors
> who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
> 
> The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two articles
> published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course I
> only want it outputted the once.
> 
> Can anyone see where I'm going wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
> authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
> FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
> WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID and
> tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1
> 
> 
> Thanks very much for your help.
> 
> Saturday
> 
> 

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Adrocknaphobia]

When is this abortive, bootless, counterproductive, disadvantageous,
dysfunctional, expendable, feckless, fruitless, futile,
good-for-nothing, hopeless, idle, impracticable, impractical,
incompetent, ineffective, ineffectual, inept, inoperative, inutile,
meaningless, no good, nonfunctional, pointless, profitless,
purposeless, scrap, stupid, unavailable, unavailing, unfunctional,
unproductive, unprofitable, unpurposed, unusable, unworkable, vain,
valueless, waste, weak, worthless thread going to end?

I think we all get it by now. M$ means Microsoft sucks; Firefox is the
greatest thing since sliced bread and altough usage is _maybe_ 1 in
10.. that statistic is equivalent to Nostradamus predicting the demise
of IE. If it's open source its obviously a better product... and more
secure. My daddy like Firefox and my daddy it smarter than your daddy.
Windows XP sucks, spyware is everyones fault but your own, especially
Microsoft. In fact Microsoft is to blame for cancer, aids and a second
Bush term.

That pretty much sum it up?

Furthermore if any of you paid any attention to Macromedia you would
see that their vision of the future does not include HTML, so who
cares if FireFox will one day surpass IE?!?!?!

I hate to break it to you but the browser war is not in anyone's
control. The fact of the matter is whether fireFox hold 10% or 90% you
still have to code for both. Changing a shortcut from ie to firefox
isnt going to change the world. I'm glad your dad likes firefox, too
bad he doesnt represent the other 90% of the world who could care
f'ing less about the software they use to google and ebay. If its
installed, and it works.. that fits the everyday user's requirements.
Web browsers are only important to you me and everyone else on this
list because its a job requirement to care.

If I was an accountant I'd use AOL and LOVE IT!

Lets all hold hands and pray the mark of the beast is M$ and the
mightly Lord who is 'the' open source will reign his fury upon all IE
users.

Amen.

-Adam

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:22:11 -0800, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree with barney. That's like counting the number of people that
> use windows by counting the number of copies sold in stores. That
> would leave out OEMs and people who steal it (illegal, but windows
> users none the less).
> 
> Browser stats are the best bet - looking at your own logs is probally
> really the best idea for your market. For world usage though, I am not
> sure where to look aside from the media, and sites setup to watch that
> kind of thing.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a bit.
> >
> > Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
> > Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/
> >
> > Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
> > Source: Mozilla.org
> >
> > If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, Firefox 
> > usage should be less than 1%.
> >
> > Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers very 
> > similar in functionality (from an average user's point of view - as a 
> > developer I'm aware of Firefox's extensibility, etc., etc). My point is 
> > that everyone benefits when information remains accurate.
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Joins

[Stuart Kidd]

Hi guys,
 
I've got a query whereby I am getting a list of all authors (table:
tbl_020authorDetails) in my database.  I am cross referencing against
all the articles (tbl_020articleDetails) and only displaying the authors
who have an article published (articleAuthenticated = 1).
 
The problem I am coming across is that when an author has two articles
published it is displaying their name twice in my list and of course I
only want it outputted the once.
 
Can anyone see where I'm going wrong?
 


SELECT tbl_020authorDetails.authorID, tbl_020articleDetails.authorID,
authorFirstName, authorSurname, articleAuthenticated
FROM tbl_020authorDetails, tbl_020articleDetails
WHERE tbl_020authorDetails.authorID = tbl_020articleDetails.authorID and
tbl_020articleDetails.articleAuthenticated = 1

 
Thanks very much for your help.
 
Saturday


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Re: OT: SQL last sunday of the month

[Barney Boisvert]

Try this.  It's untested, but it should be close. Basically it creates
the first day of the month, advanced one month, and backsup one day
(to get hte last day of the target month).  Then checks the day of the
week, and subtracts an appropriate number of days.

d = createDate(url.year, url.month, 1);
d = dateAdd("m", 1, d);
d = dateAdd("d", -1, d);
day = dayOfWeek(d);
d = dateAdd("d", -1 * (day - 1), d);

You might need to add a check to see if the last day of the month is a
sunday.  I think that it'll return the second to last sunday if the
last day of the month is a sunday, but you'll have to test to make
sure.

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 14:26:47 -0800, Tim Do <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can anybody tell me how to get the date of the last sunday of any given
> month and year?  I want to be able to pass in a month and year and get
> the date of that last sunday.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: CFLOGIN

[Raymond Camden]

I'm a bit proponent of CFLOGIN, however it is a bit tricky and is,
unfortuinately, broken now. I used to recommend it to folks, and now I
recommend against it. There is a bug (in the process of being logged)
that involves the session based version of CFLOGIN that was introduced
in CFMX 6.1. That means only the Cookie version is safe. That being
said, if you want to tie CFLOGIN/Cookie to a session, it IS possible,
just not super simple.

I _really_ like CFLOGIN, and I hope/assume the Session security hole
will be fixed in Blackstone.

That probably doesn't help you much. 


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:01:12 -0700, Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was developing CF apps well before they came up with their CFLOGIN scheme,
> and I still have yet to take time to investigate it much.
> 
> Do you all make use of these built in authentication tags?  Are there
> shortcomings I should be aware of that negate any gains?  I'm intrigued by
> the ability to control access to CFC functions using the ROLES attribute,
> but wary of trying a new authentication method when I'm comfortable in my
> ways.
> 
> TIA
> 
> 

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RE: Firefox Usage -

[Mark A Kruger]

Irvin,

I think the point is not about actual usage per se - it's more about
momentum.  Firefox does appear to be gaining more momentum than any recent
offering - and getting far more press in the trade rags. Adoption in Europe
is outpacing the US. As has been mentioned here - the real test is whether
corporate IT dept take the leap. That may be a ways away from happening. The
one thing about Firefox I hated was the hoops I had to jump through to get
the JVM to work. I finally had to resort to reinstalling the JRE... not
good. Other than that I like it - surprisingly fast at times.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 3:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Firefox Usage -


The point was not to call Barney a liar. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly.
What I was referring to is assertion that a LOT of users don't have a
computer. Where's that data coming from? And what's a LOT?

My apologies to Barney if it appeared as a personal attack. It was not the
intention.

I do, however, stand my initial statement that the're no real data
suggesting Firefox being (usage-wise) any different that Opera or any of the
other rather-marginal browsers, that stay in the 1-2% usage. We are VERY FAR
removed from a "browser war". I do like Firefox, though :-)



>Easy now.. you cant claim that Barney's numbers are FALSE.. anectdotal
maybe.
>
>The numer of users and number of downloads dont really match I agree,
>just take it to an IT department etc.
>
>besides.. check the usage of firefox in sites more like as that is the
>important part!
>
>MD
>
>
>On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:16:03 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>



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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Irvin Gomez]

The point was not to call Barney a liar. Perhaps I worded it incorrectly. What 
I was referring to is assertion that a LOT of users don't have a computer. 
Where's that data coming from? And what's a LOT?

My apologies to Barney if it appeared as a personal attack. It was not the 
intention.

I do, however, stand my initial statement that the're no real data suggesting 
Firefox being (usage-wise) any different that Opera or any of the other 
rather-marginal browsers, that stay in the 1-2% usage. We are VERY FAR removed 
from a "browser war". I do like Firefox, though :-)



>Easy now.. you cant claim that Barney's numbers are FALSE.. anectdotal maybe. 
>
>The numer of users and number of downloads dont really match I agree,
>just take it to an IT department etc.
>
>besides.. check the usage of firefox in sites more like as that is the
>important part!
>
>MD
>
>
>On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:16:03 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>

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Re: Timezone and Daylight Savings

[Mike Kear]

Good point Stace, 

Not all places have  daylight savings, and they dont all change on the
same day the USA does.   And south of the equator, they change in the
opposite direction to the USA.

The closer a place is to the equator,  the less is the difference in
daylight hours between the equinoxes, and therefore there is less need
for daylight savings time changes.   In fact in most tropical zones
they dont even have four seasons.Then as you get closer to the
poles, the difference in daylight hours is so huge that an hour's
daylight savings is hardly relevant.

In Australia, for example,  Queensland in the north, most of which is
in the tropics, has no daylight savings change.   The more southern
states, in more temperate zones and heading down towards the antarctic
have a need for daylight savings.  But political pressures often make
the states change the dates they change on.(e.g. the NSW government
changed our dates in 2000 to suit the TV channels broadcasting the
Olympics).

So these factors add up to meaning that daylight savings is on (or
not) in different parts of the world at different times, and in
different directions.   If you want to allow for daylight savings,
you'll need to do some research into which states in which countries
change, and when.   Then you'll need to keep your research updated.

Perhaps there's a database somewhere.  Does anyone know?

Or instead just stick to GMT and let the users do their own adjustments.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 16:00:46 -0500, Stacy Young
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm looking to add a timezone preference to a reporting tool. It
> defaults to our current timezone of EST but allows the user to adjust to
> their timezone accordingly. All records displayed on screen (or
> downloaded) from that point on, the date is adjusted to reflect their
> timezone preference.
> 
> My question is someone asked about Daylight Savings and how that would
> affect people in other parts of the world. Is this something that one
> would need to account for? As far as I know it's hit and miss as to who
> actually follows it...and since our timezone options are based off GMT,
> does it even matter ??
> 
> Appreciate any insight,
> 
> Cheers,
> Stace
>

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OT: SQL last sunday of the month

[Tim Do]

Can anybody tell me how to get the date of the last sunday of any given
month and year?  I want to be able to pass in a month and year and get
the date of that last sunday.
 
Thanks,
 
 
 


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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Jim Davis]

> Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a 
> bit.
> 
> Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
> Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/
> 
> Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
> Source: Mozilla.org
> 
> If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, 
> Firefox usage should be less than 1%.

They're really not.

At the very least the number from Mozilla.org barely scratches the surface for 
actual copies of FireFox out there.  There are hundreds, if not thousands, of 
other sources for the software which are not tracked by Mozilla.org.

As for the number of Internet Users this one is more complex, but most 
companies seem to use a measure of total distributed/active IP addresses as a 
starting point.  Either that or statistical (usually bad) statistical analysis 
of ISP memberships.

In either case the number tends to fail to address actual users.  In my home, 
for example, there are Six PCs (plus 5 Virtual Servers) that have IP addresses 
but there are only two actual users.  However I'm using NAT so there's only 
actually one public facing IP address.  Is that one, two or 11 "users"?

Also remember that while most users have a choice there are vast numbers of 
users in various places (China being the biggest one) that are not allowed to 
choose their browser but rather must use what the state-sponsored ISP demands 
they use.

> Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers 
> very similar in functionality (from an average user's point of view - 
> as a developer I'm aware of Firefox's extensibility, etc., etc). My 
> point is that everyone benefits when information remains accurate.

The best thing to do, has others have said, is to code you sites to work fine 
in both.  No fuss, no muss and the browser war can go hang.

However if you must consider actual usage you should examine your logs, not 
others.  I manage one popular site, but non-technical site where IE still shows 
well over 95% usage.  However my personal (and technical) site shows it at less 
than 80%.

When combined numbers for popular sites is examined it shows FireFox's share 
growing slowly, but accelerating.

Jim Davis

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Barney Boisvert]

I would argue that my numbers, while definitely anectodal, are just as
valid a set to base a conclusion on.  The only real numbers are web
usage stats, as reported by your web server logs.  And those are only
relevant for the site they were recorded on.

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:16:03 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> >Do keep in mind that a LOT of users don't own a computer, and rely on
> >shared access, such as libraries, schools, community centers, and/or
> >work.  I personally have made 3 downloads of Firefox, but I have it
> >running on at least 10 computers, which are used by a total of 8-10
> >different people.
> >
> >So don't go comparing apples to oranges and assume the results have
> >any validity.
> >
> >cheers,
> >barneyb
> >
> 
> At least, the numbers serve as a guide. Better that than anecdotal (and 
> probably completely false) data like the one you provide.
> >On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Rob]

I agree with barney. That's like counting the number of people that
use windows by counting the number of copies sold in stores. That
would leave out OEMs and people who steal it (illegal, but windows
users none the less).

Browser stats are the best bet - looking at your own logs is probally
really the best idea for your market. For world usage though, I am not
sure where to look aside from the media, and sites setup to watch that
kind of thing.


On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a bit.
> 
> Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
> Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/
> 
> Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
> Source: Mozilla.org
> 
> If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, Firefox 
> usage should be less than 1%.
> 
> Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers very 
> similar in functionality (from an average user's point of view - as a 
> developer I'm aware of Firefox's extensibility, etc., etc). My point is that 
> everyone benefits when information remains accurate.
> 
> 

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Mark Drew]

Easy now.. you cant claim that Barney's numbers are FALSE.. anectdotal maybe. 

The numer of users and number of downloads dont really match I agree,
just take it to an IT department etc.

besides.. check the usage of firefox in sites more like as that is the
important part!

MD


On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 17:16:03 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> >Do keep in mind that a LOT of users don't own a computer, and rely on
> >shared access, such as libraries, schools, community centers, and/or
> >work.  I personally have made 3 downloads of Firefox, but I have it
> >running on at least 10 computers, which are used by a total of 8-10
> >different people.
> >
> >So don't go comparing apples to oranges and assume the results have
> >any validity.
> >
> >cheers,
> >barneyb
> >
> 
> At least, the numbers serve as a guide. Better that than anecdotal (and 
> probably completely false) data like the one you provide.
> >On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >--
> >Barney Boisvert
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >360.319.6145
> >http://www.barneyb.com/blog/
> 
> 

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Developer Research Survey

[Luiz Duarte]

Starmark Research is conducting a survey of software developers for
one of our clients.

The survey is very brief and requires only a few minutes to complete.
All participants are eligible to win a 20GB Apple iPod. The winner
will be randomly selected and contacted on December 17, 2004.

To complete the survey, please click on the Web address below:
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Many thanks for your participation! We greatly appreciate your
thoughts and suggestions.

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Irvin Gomez]

>Do keep in mind that a LOT of users don't own a computer, and rely on
>shared access, such as libraries, schools, community centers, and/or
>work.  I personally have made 3 downloads of Firefox, but I have it
>running on at least 10 computers, which are used by a total of 8-10
>different people.
>
>So don't go comparing apples to oranges and assume the results have
>any validity.
>
>cheers,
>barneyb
>

At least, the numbers serve as a guide. Better that than anecdotal (and 
probably completely false) data like the one you provide.
>On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>-- 
>Barney Boisvert
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>360.319.6145
>http://www.barneyb.com/blog/

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Re: Firefox Usage -

[Barney Boisvert]

Do keep in mind that a LOT of users don't own a computer, and rely on
shared access, such as libraries, schools, community centers, and/or
work.  I personally have made 3 downloads of Firefox, but I have it
running on at least 10 computers, which are used by a total of 8-10
different people.

So don't go comparing apples to oranges and assume the results have
any validity.

cheers,
barneyb

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:54:35 -0400, Irvin Gomez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a bit.
> 
> Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
> Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/
> 
> Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
> Source: Mozilla.org
> 
> If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, Firefox 
> usage should be less than 1%.
> 
> Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers very 
> similar in functionality (from an average user's point of view - as a 
> developer I'm aware of Firefox's extensibility, etc., etc). My point is that 
> everyone benefits when information remains accurate.
> 

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: cfdirectory or ...?

[George Abraham]

Steve,
By the way, where do I see where it is logged as a bug? Also when you
mean a cached directory content system, do you mean write some module
for Apache that does all you describe? I am not sure I understand.
This Monday/end-of-year denseness gets me sometimes.

George


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:35:29 -0500, Steve Brownlee
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> George,
> 
> If it's a bug in the code, then there's not much you can do from a technical
> viewpoint.  However, you could start using a cached directory content system.
> Load the contents of the user's entire directory structure into a memory
> structure and use that for displaying information to the user.  You could
> then add triggers to your code for when to update the structure (file added,
> file modified, file removed, etc.).  While this obviously doesn't solve the
> root problem, it would cut down on the load on the server.
> 
> Good luck
>

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Set Session Variable help needed

[Charles Heizer]

Hello,
This is not something I've done before so I thought I would ask first.

I'm looking for a way to set a session variable with a simple cfform 
tag and no submit button.



Site Type: Flash   Html



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CFLOGIN

[Paul]

I was developing CF apps well before they came up with their CFLOGIN scheme,
and I still have yet to take time to investigate it much.  

 

Do you all make use of these built in authentication tags?  Are there
shortcomings I should be aware of that negate any gains?  I'm intrigued by
the ability to control access to CFC functions using the ROLES attribute,
but wary of trying a new authentication method when I'm comfortable in my
ways.

 

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Firefox Usage -

[Irvin Gomez]

Before we officially claim a "browser war", let's check the numbers a bit.

Number of internet users (worldwide): 934 million
Source: http://www.clickz.com/stats/web_worldwide/

Number of Firefox downloads: 8.5 million
Source: Mozilla.org

If those numbers are within the ballpark, it follows that AT BEST, Firefox 
usage should be less than 1%.

Not thrashing Firefox or defending Microsoft; I find the two browsers very 
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benefits when information remains accurate.

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Re: Big test for the Java people out there: static initialisers in CFX tags.

[Keith Gaughan]

Katz, Dov B (IT) wrote:

> How are the subclasses loaded?  I suspect you need to load them
> somewhere
> 
> Perhaps a bunch of Class.forName("the.package.TheClass") invocations
> will be needed to actually load these up. (implicitly calling their
> static intializers).

Yup, I realised the same myself.

I think I just needed a rest from the code. BTW, though I'm probably the
last person in the world to get to see it in the cinema, The Incredibles
is an excellent movie and I'd thoroughly recommend it to everyone.

> Dov
> 
> PS- if you use a hashtable instead of a hashmap , it is internally
> synchronized...

Yeah, I know. But the actual code (what I posted up was a
simplification) is a bit longer and I needed to lock it for a bit
longer, so it wouldn't have made sense to use a Hashtable in preference
to a Map in this context.

Anyway, cheers!

K.

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Re: swf extension mapping

[Douglas Knudsen]

ok, so I'm not alone in this.  sounds like some sort of bug, unless
the future hrun dll is to handle swf extensions, eh?  broke my flash
stuff too.

now, where's that bug submit page at again

DK


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 15:00:24 -0500, DURETTE, STEVEN J (AIT)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I saw this problem with CFMX 6.1 Enterprise.  I just did a fresh install
> of the J2EE type for a server mode.  After I applied the updater and the
> hotfixes/jrun updater I had these mappings also.
> 
> It broke our flash.  I had to get rid of the .swf maping to make it work
> again!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:25 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: swf extension mapping
> 
> I noticed that with CFMX 6.1 Updater 1 that when I map a website to a
> CFMX instance, the extensions mxml and swf are added in IIS now.  Both
> point to the jrun dll.  mxml extension is a surprise, but no issue.
> The swf mapping to jrun dll is.  Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> DK
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Re: paypal API

[Lewis Sellers]

Mark A Kruger wrote:
> Lewis,
> 
> This whole API is a "first-run" in a lot of ways. They've done a good job of
> providing lots of documents - but not a lot of useful samples and they've
> overlooked some obvious stuff.
> 
> -Mark

Agreed. The old phrases "moving target" and "left hand not knowing what 
the right is doing" come to mind. It was a lot of work simply deducing 
what was supposed to be going on -- none of the examples, source code or 
  WSDL/XSD's, etc ever seemed to work or be released at the same time 
(every part is slightly out of version sync with the rest.)

Btw. I checked. Again. Today. A new version of the API PDF came out 3 
days ago and it DOES actually (officially) mention AddressVerify now. 
So, any "temporary" issues aside I would assume this means it's supposed 
to be a standard feature now.

(It wasn't even mentioned in the last version I downloaded not perhaps 
two weeks ago.)

> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Lewis Sellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:38 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: paypal API
> 
> 
> Mark A Kruger wrote:
> 
>>What about the "addressVerify" function?  It verifies an email against a
>>given address - and returns and error code if the email is not associated
>>with a valid paypal account.  Does your CFX tag support that function?
> 
> 
> I get the feeling from the lack of doumentation it may be another of the
> unsupported API calls.
> 
> http://paypal.forums.liveworld.com/thread.jspa?forumID=1059&threadID=114
> 04
> http://paypal.forums.liveworld.com/thread.jspa?forumID=4004&threadID=114
> 75
> 
> I asked about the function in the developer forums btw. Perhaps, we'll
> see what the "official" stance is on the issue.
> 
> --
> --Lewis Sellers (AKA min)
> Intrafoundation Software
> http://www.intrafoundation.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: FORM Refresh Input fields gone

[Charlie Griefer]

if you're reloading the page, that's expected behavior.  

you'd need to actually submit the form and either save the values into
the session scope, or submit the form to itself to have the values
available...then use those values in the 'value' attribute of the
input fields.

you'd also likely need to  them at first so as not to receive
any errors when the form initially loads.


On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 15:55:50 -0400, Asim Manzur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gone means when user fill up the form and he change the dropdown value form 
> refresh and the value that user types is gone.
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have a HTML Form, which has couple of input fields and in the middle
> > of the form I have a drop down menu, when user select the item from
> > the drop down menu the page refresh.
> >
> > Prblem is If user has entered half of the form, those fileds are gone
> > after refresh, what is the way aroung of this problem. Is it a java
> > script technique or do we have something in coldfusion?
> >
> > Thanks everyone.
> 
> 

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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Jim Davis]

> On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 11:35:06 -0400, Jim Davis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> The question is whether or not FireFox in mass use would reduce 
> spyware -
> > >> I'm not sure it would.  It very well might - I just don't know.
> > >
> > >IE installs software without your consent - so yes it would reduce 
> it
> > >(using logic and experience not stats). After I install firefox on
> > >systems and run spybot a month or two later there isn't any spyware.
> 
> > 
> > No it doesn't.
> 
> I am afraid it does. Run spybot on your system every once in a while,
> bet you'll find some if you browse with IE - patch system or not

Beleive me - I religiously run scanners and with a fully patched system have 
yet to encouter any getting through.  Do you have a URL that could demonstrate 
this?

> > Or will we continue to compare the initial release of IE with the 
> current release of FireFox?  Anonymous installation of software was a 
> bug.  A bug that's been addressed.  Any software that took advantage 
> of that bug is legitimatly "viral" and can and should be caught by any 
> off-the-shelf virus checking software.
> 
> So what you are saying is, those people who "can't install software"
> are supposed to keep their system patched? IE will be a problem for a
> long long time, because if you find a flaw in it you often get to 0wn
> the whole box.

I applaud the efforts MS has been taking to ensure that people are patched.  
It's actually very easy to keep your system patched if you follow their 
recommendations (patches are automatically downloaded and reminders 
automatically occur until you install them).

> > I think we're all in agreement that the first step to good security 
> is to patch your systems as recommended by your vendor.  (Even the 
> gentlemen in Jochem's reference link admits that none of the software 
> installed could have been installed with a fully patched system.  
> Although I can't see what good point can be made by testing on five 
> year old, unpatched software.)
> > 
> > I think we can also all be agreement is that the second step in good 
> security is to run up-to-date virus checkers and firewalls.
> > 
> 
> Thirdly run software that is well written, under active development,
> and had something added to it this century.

This isn't really helpful.  It's the hyperbole and fanaticism that get my 
hackles up more than anything else.  IE IS in desperate need of an update - 
however it is under "active development" as we do see quick service to address 
security issues.

> > Also, there will be spyware on many people's ForeFox machines 
> because, just as always, they can easily be tricked into installing it.  
> Can you (or, humbly, I) be tricked?  Probably not - but that's not who 
> we're talking about - "the masses" definately can be and are.
> > 
> 
> I have yet to find a piece of spy ware on my girlfriends or her 
> bosses
> computer after we moved them to firefox. I just don't think you are
> talking form experience here.

A lot of it depends on how you use the machine and where you browse.  My 
father, for example, used to spend a lot of time on file sharing programs 
looking for vintage music: LOTS of spyware, but essentially no IE activity.

Many sites link directly to EXEs, other link to downloads that have to be run 
manually, but also install spyware.

I also maintain that as soon as FireFox gains the market share it deserves the 
installation procedures for spyware will be modified to adapt.

> > FireFox is a great browser, but it's not a panacea for bad human 
> behavior.
> 
> True that

I guess one aspect of this that bothers me is that I rarely here any chants 
against the actual spyware vendors.  It's all "MS sucks!  They're why we have 
spyware!"

I think it's the spyware vendors, the ones tricking my dad and mom and wife and 
mother-in-law that need to be strung up by the short and curlies.  ;^)

Jim Davis

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RE: FORM Refresh Input fields gone

[Paul]

Why does the page need to refresh when they make a selection w/ the
dropdown?  (You may be able to use JS to accomplish the same task without
refreshing the page...)

-Original Message-
From: Asim Manzur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FORM Refresh Input fields gone

Hi all, 

I have a HTML Form, which has couple of input fields and in the middle of
the form I have a drop down menu, when user select the item from the drop
down menu the page refresh. 

Prblem is If user has entered half of the form, those fileds are gone after
refresh, what is the way aroung of this problem. Is it a java script
technique or do we have something in coldfusion? 

Thanks everyone. 



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Timezone and Daylight Savings

[Stacy Young]

Hi All,

I'm looking to add a timezone preference to a reporting tool. It
defaults to our current timezone of EST but allows the user to adjust to
their timezone accordingly. All records displayed on screen (or
downloaded) from that point on, the date is adjusted to reflect their
timezone preference.

My question is someone asked about Daylight Savings and how that would
affect people in other parts of the world. Is this something that one
would need to account for? As far as I know it's hit and miss as to who
actually follows it...and since our timezone options are based off GMT,
does it even matter ??

Appreciate any insight,

Cheers,
Stace



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Re: FORM Refresh Input fields gone

[Asim Manzur]

The problem is I can't use IsDefined of each and every form field. Those are 97 
form fields. Can't check each and every field that if its IsDefined then use 
the same value.

Is there any easiest way to preserve the form fields??



> gone means when user fill up the form and he change the dropdown value 
> form refresh and the value that user types is gone.
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi all, 
> > 
> > I have a HTML Form, which has couple of input fields and in the 
> middle 
> > of the form I have a drop down menu, when user select the item from 
> 
> > the drop down menu the page refresh. 
> > 
> > Prblem is If user has entered half of the form, those fileds are 
> gone 
> > after refresh, what is the way aroung of this problem. Is it a java 
> 
> > script technique or do we have something in coldfusion? 
> > 
> > Thanks everyone. 

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Re: FORM Refresh Input fields gone

[Asim Manzur]

gone means when user fill up the form and he change the dropdown value form 
refresh and the value that user types is gone.



> Hi all, 
> 
> I have a HTML Form, which has couple of input fields and in the middle 
> of the form I have a drop down menu, when user select the item from 
> the drop down menu the page refresh. 
> 
> Prblem is If user has entered half of the form, those fileds are gone 
> after refresh, what is the way aroung of this problem. Is it a java 
> script technique or do we have something in coldfusion? 
> 
> Thanks everyone. 

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FORM Refresh Input fields gone

[Asim Manzur]

Hi all, 

I have a HTML Form, which has couple of input fields and in the middle of the 
form I have a drop down menu, when user select the item from the drop down menu 
the page refresh. 

Prblem is If user has entered half of the form, those fileds are gone after 
refresh, what is the way aroung of this problem. Is it a java script technique 
or do we have something in coldfusion? 

Thanks everyone. 

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Re: extract values from arrays dynamically

[Joy Holman]

Thanks, Charlie.
I'll try that.

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RE: cfdirectory or ...?

[Steve Brownlee]

George,

If it's a bug in the code, then there's not much you can do from a technical
viewpoint.  However, you could start using a cached directory content system.
Load the contents of the user's entire directory structure into a memory
structure and use that for displaying information to the user.  You could
then add triggers to your code for when to update the structure (file added,
file modified, file removed, etc.).  While this obviously doesn't solve the
root problem, it would cut down on the load on the server.

Good luck

-Original Message-
From: George Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfdirectory or ...?

Hi all,
CFMX 6.1 on Apache and Win 2003 Server. One of the 'apps' that is heavily
used in this environment is a simple enough one that lists all the
images/media in a user's server directory and then allows them to play around
with those images in a shell around the app. Obviously cfdirectory is used
for the listing. Almost every page request involves a cfdirectory command. We
are experiencing slightly irritating wait times for this app for every page
request. Before this gets really bad and every page request takes a minute, I
wanted to ask if there were any scalable alternatives to cfdirectory or
failing that, if there were any methods for fine-tuning the system.

The server is used by other apps and also has a public site that is hit on
quite heavily. It does have about 2 GB of RAM to play around with, but I
suspect simply shifting the cfdirectory app to its own server will simply
postpone this issue.

On a related note: http://tinyurl.com/5kqxr on the Macromedia forums
supposedly reports a bug #55440 has been logged.

TIA,
George



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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[dave]

you're right it not but its probably the biggest one.
i cant get my mom off aol but at least i got her using firefox

my biggest puter prob of course is with m$ and even though they now have the 
installs set to no doesnt do much good.
my biggest problem from day 1 with xp is that i have all the auto updates set 
to off but it still tries then updates then craps out my whole comp
i now have 3 hard drives and a dvd burner that  run every few hours backing up 
my essentials because my xp craps out so much and all i get from m$ is well 
thats to bad, i guess u got a bad copy, go buy another 1. (from day1 they didnt 
care)

so now i have bitched so much to and about them i cant even get updates from 
their site, which im thinking is a very good thing indeed!

thats some of the reason why m$ always gets my 2 finger salute  <^>(*_*)<^>

its also nice to know that billybob uses my money to employ several divisions 
of ppl and HIS very own programs just to filter his 5 million pieces of spam 
mail a day. Maybe if m$ had a decent web host he could get another email addy! 
Nice to know where their priorities lie


btw~ i have been sending everyone this link and putting it in my email footers
http://browsehappy.com/






-- Original Message --
From: Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:45:13 -0400

>> and the couple of firefox security updates that they put out (and very 
>> quickly) were do to the crappy os (xp) not the browser
>> 
>> the other big PITA is all the crap AOL installs even when u tell it 
>> NOT to, i swear they are owned by m$ (like weatherbug), not to mention 
>> all thier popups that install crap with telling. Personally, AOL users 
>> get so used to just clicking yes to get the damn screens to go away 
>> that they do it for everything
>
>This is hardly specific to AOL users.  "Default Button Blindness" is a huge 
>problem in usabilty.  It tends to affect advanced users much more often than 
>newbies (who tend to carefully read dialog boxes).
>
>(As a geek haven't you even supplied phone support to a person who insists on 
>reading every word of all the dialogs as you're repeating, like a mantra, 
>"just click OK!")
>
>It's really interesting from a human-factors point of view and truly needs to 
>be considered when designing software.  Most often it's ignored however.
>
>This is actually one of the biggest benefits to XP SP2: the installation 
>routine FINALLY defaults to "no, don't install" rather than "OKay".  Yes, this 
>is a slight issue with interface standards (which say that "OKay" should be 
>the default) but helps immensly to prevent unwanted clicks.
>
>The old paradigm of "always to default to OK" is changing (for the better) to 
>"always default to the least destructive option".  This is actually annoying 
>advanced users who can be heard yelling "Yes, delete!  I said delete, damn 
>you!"  ;^)
>
>Yes, there are a lot of technical solutions offered in the service pack as 
>well, but I feel that the interface improvements are where the real win is.  
>The alert bar; the new acceptance dialog; the ability to (FINALLY!) say "never 
>install this damn thing" and so forth.
>
>These are not technical changes or hardening: they're simply changes in the 
>way the same old capabilities are shown to the user and have made worlds of 
>difference.
>
>As a set they're definately similar to other groundbreaking enhancements like 
>IE's "Go" button, Win95's "Start" button and the Apple Key.
>
>OKay - Human Factors advocacy hat off.  ;^)
>
>Jim Davis
>
>

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RE: swf extension mapping

[DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)]

I saw this problem with CFMX 6.1 Enterprise.  I just did a fresh install
of the J2EE type for a server mode.  After I applied the updater and the
hotfixes/jrun updater I had these mappings also.

It broke our flash.  I had to get rid of the .swf maping to make it work
again!

Steve


-Original Message-
From: Douglas Knudsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: swf extension mapping


I noticed that with CFMX 6.1 Updater 1 that when I map a website to a
CFMX instance, the extensions mxml and swf are added in IIS now.  Both
point to the jrun dll.  mxml extension is a surprise, but no issue. 
The swf mapping to jrun dll is.  Anyone else seeing this?

DK
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CFMAIL and SMTP on IIS 6 (Win2K3)

[DURETTE, STEVEN J \(AIT\)]

Hi all,
 
First let me say this is on an intranet...  (the names have been changed
to protect ME!)
 
My original server was myServer.mycompany.com with a vanity urls of
vurl.mycompany.com, vurl2.mycompany.com.  When ever I used cfmail and
set the to="test #chr(60)[EMAIL PROTECTED](62)#", you would
see "test <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>" in outlook.  This was a win2k
machine.
 
Now we have moved to a new server mySecondServer.mycompany.com.  The
vanity urls are pointing to the new server, but the same cfmail code now
produces "test <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>"  No matter what
vanity url I use.
 
These vanity urls are used for host headers in IIS if that makes a
difference.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Steve
 


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RE: Fixed Width variable question.

[Jeff Waris]

That did the trick... Thanks!

Jeff
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:26 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> 
> RJustify(string, length)
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:06 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> > 
> > Maybe I didn't explain this good enough... LOL Its Monday
> > 
> > I know that I can format a number with numberformat... I'd like to 
> > apply this to text variables as well...
> > 
> > Lets say I am interested in doing this...
> > 
> > 123
> > 1234
> > 12345
> > 123456
> > 
> > Setting them so they would be
> >   123
> >  1234
> > 12345
> >123456
> > 
> > Or maybe a better example
> > Cat
> >   Apple
> >  Orange
> > 
> > (Instead of 0's, using spaces...)
> > 
> > 
> > Basically I am trying to output fields in a query to a text 
> file in a
> fixed
> > width fasion, Field 1 allow only 5 chars, field 2  allow only 11 
> > chars, etc... That way each field would have a certain column start 
> > and finsh in the text file...
> > 
> > Hope I was more clear this time.. :)
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:54 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think #numberFormat(num,"0")# should do the trick. -dbk
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: Fixed Width variable question.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a 
> "fixed width" 
> > > variable to insert into a text file?
> > >
> > > For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 
> characters 
> > > long
> > >
> > > Lets say:
> > > 123
> > > 1234
> > > 12345
> > > 123456
> > >
> > > ...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by 
> inserting 0's 
> > > in the
> > > beginning:
> > > 00123
> > > 01234
> > > 12345
> > > 000123456
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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MSVCP60.dll and CFMX 6.1 for J2EE

[Adrocknaphobia]

Can someone explain to me what CFMX needs MSVCP60.dll for? I've
inherited yet another server to manage and when any of the instance
are started it throws 2 errors saying that MSVCP60.dll is missing.

The instances seem to run fine without them, however I am having
problems with JRun clustering. Could these issues be related?

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RE: Fixed Width variable question.

[Marlon Moyer]

RJustify(string, length)


> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> Maybe I didn't explain this good enough... LOL Its Monday
> 
> I know that I can format a number with numberformat... I'd like to apply
> this to text variables as well...
> 
> Lets say I am interested in doing this...
> 
> 123
> 1234
> 12345
> 123456
> 
> Setting them so they would be
>   123
>  1234
> 12345
>123456
> 
> Or maybe a better example
> Cat
>   Apple
>  Orange
> 
> (Instead of 0's, using spaces...)
> 
> 
> Basically I am trying to output fields in a query to a text file in a
fixed
> width fasion, Field 1 allow only 5 chars, field 2  allow only 11 chars,
> etc... That way each field would have a certain column start and finsh in
> the text file...
> 
> Hope I was more clear this time.. :)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:54 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> >
> >
> > I think #numberFormat(num,"0")# should do the trick. -dbk
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Fixed Width variable question.
> >
> > Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed
> > width" variable to insert into a text file?
> >
> > For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6
> > characters long
> >
> > Lets say:
> > 123
> > 1234
> > 12345
> > 123456
> >
> > ...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by
> > inserting 0's in the
> > beginning:
> > 00123
> > 01234
> > 12345
> > 000123456
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Fixed Width variable question.

[Katz, Dov B (IT)]

I think you can use CFTABLE/CFCOLUMN for ascii formatted tabular data.
Haven't played with that since CF 3.x/4 days, but check the docs.

-dbk

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 2:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.

Maybe I didn't explain this good enough... LOL Its Monday

I know that I can format a number with numberformat... I'd like to apply
this to text variables as well...

Lets say I am interested in doing this...

123
1234
12345
123456

Setting them so they would be
  123
 1234
12345
   123456

Or maybe a better example
Cat
  Apple
 Orange

(Instead of 0's, using spaces...)


Basically I am trying to output fields in a query to a text file in a
fixed width fasion, Field 1 allow only 5 chars, field 2  allow only 11
chars, etc... That way each field would have a certain column start and
finsh in the text file...

Hope I was more clear this time.. :)

Jeff




> -Original Message-
> From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> 
> I think #numberFormat(num,"0")# should do the trick. -dbk
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed width" 
> variable to insert into a text file?
> 
> For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 characters 
> long
> 
> Lets say:
> 123
> 1234
> 12345
> 123456
> 
> ...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by inserting 0's in 
> the
> beginning:
> 00123
> 01234
> 12345
> 000123456
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

[Jochem van Dieten]

Bert Dawson wrote:
> We're not using client variables (default storage in cfadmin=none,
> clientManagement="No", no DSNs are configured to use client variables,
> or have the tables in them).

Are you sure the username is the one that is used from CF then?


> How would you suggest i use a manual checkpoint? Just open up query
> analyser and run CHECKPOINT?

Yes.


> Also,  have just profiler again, over a period of about 10 minutes
> when there appeared to be no abnormal activity (according to CPU
> usage), and there are still times where the number of SQLtransactions
> appear v high (up to 9,000 in a second), so i'm begining to wonder if
> this level of SQLTransactions/second is unusual, or just normal
> activity...

I think it would be unusual


> 0-99 SQLtransactions/second: 650
> 100-999 SQLTransactions/sec: 19
> 1000-1999: 6
> 2000-2999: 4
> 3000-3999: 2
> 4000-4999: 3
> 5000-5999: 1
> 6000-6999: 3
> 7000-7999: 0
> 8000-8999: 2
> 9000-: 1
> 
> AFAIK the only thing happening to the dBs apart from getting hit by CF
> is a backup of the transaction logs every 10 minutes, and a full
> back-up every hour.

Do the periods of high activity coincide with the transaction log 
backups?

Jochem

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RE: Fixed Width variable question.

[Jeff Waris]

Maybe I didn't explain this good enough... LOL Its Monday

I know that I can format a number with numberformat... I'd like to apply
this to text variables as well...

Lets say I am interested in doing this...

123
1234
12345
123456

Setting them so they would be
  123
 1234
12345
   123456

Or maybe a better example
Cat
  Apple
 Orange

(Instead of 0's, using spaces...)


Basically I am trying to output fields in a query to a text file in a fixed
width fasion, Field 1 allow only 5 chars, field 2  allow only 11 chars,
etc... That way each field would have a certain column start and finsh in
the text file...

Hope I was more clear this time.. :)

Jeff




> -Original Message-
> From: Katz, Dov B (IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> 
> I think #numberFormat(num,"0")# should do the trick. -dbk
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fixed Width variable question.
> 
> Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed 
> width" variable to insert into a text file?
> 
> For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 
> characters long
> 
> Lets say:
> 123
> 1234
> 12345
> 123456
> 
> ...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by 
> inserting 0's in the
> beginning:
> 00123
> 01234
> 12345
> 000123456
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Fixed Width variable question.

[Greg Morphis]

Use numberformat
#numberformat(num1,"0")#


On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:50:01 -0500, Jeff Waris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed width" variable
> to insert into a text file?
> 
> For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 characters long
> 
> Lets say:
> 123
> 1234
> 12345
> 123456
> 
> ...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by inserting 0's in the
> beginning:
> 00123
> 01234
> 12345
> 000123456
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff
> 
> 

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RE: Fixed Width variable question.

[Katz, Dov B (IT)]

I think #numberFormat(num,"0")# should do the trick.
-dbk

-Original Message-
From: Jeff Waris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:50 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fixed Width variable question.

Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed width"
variable to insert into a text file?

For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 characters long

Lets say:
123
1234
12345
123456

...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by inserting 0's in
the
beginning:
00123
01234
12345
000123456


Thanks,
Jeff




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Fixed Width variable question.

[Jeff Waris]

Does anyone have a good technique they use to make a "fixed width" variable
to insert into a text file?

For example I have an order number, it can be 3,4,5 or 6 characters long

Lets say:
123
1234
12345
123456

...and I need to format them at 9 characters long by inserting 0's in the
beginning:
00123
01234
12345
000123456


Thanks,
Jeff


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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Jim Davis]

> and the couple of firefox security updates that they put out (and very 
> quickly) were do to the crappy os (xp) not the browser
> 
> the other big PITA is all the crap AOL installs even when u tell it 
> NOT to, i swear they are owned by m$ (like weatherbug), not to mention 
> all thier popups that install crap with telling. Personally, AOL users 
> get so used to just clicking yes to get the damn screens to go away 
> that they do it for everything

This is hardly specific to AOL users.  "Default Button Blindness" is a huge 
problem in usabilty.  It tends to affect advanced users much more often than 
newbies (who tend to carefully read dialog boxes).

(As a geek haven't you even supplied phone support to a person who insists on 
reading every word of all the dialogs as you're repeating, like a mantra, "just 
click OK!")

It's really interesting from a human-factors point of view and truly needs to 
be considered when designing software.  Most often it's ignored however.

This is actually one of the biggest benefits to XP SP2: the installation 
routine FINALLY defaults to "no, don't install" rather than "OKay".  Yes, this 
is a slight issue with interface standards (which say that "OKay" should be the 
default) but helps immensly to prevent unwanted clicks.

The old paradigm of "always to default to OK" is changing (for the better) to 
"always default to the least destructive option".  This is actually annoying 
advanced users who can be heard yelling "Yes, delete!  I said delete, damn 
you!"  ;^)

Yes, there are a lot of technical solutions offered in the service pack as 
well, but I feel that the interface improvements are where the real win is.  
The alert bar; the new acceptance dialog; the ability to (FINALLY!) say "never 
install this damn thing" and so forth.

These are not technical changes or hardening: they're simply changes in the way 
the same old capabilities are shown to the user and have made worlds of 
difference.

As a set they're definately similar to other groundbreaking enhancements like 
IE's "Go" button, Win95's "Start" button and the Apple Key.

OKay - Human Factors advocacy hat off.  ;^)

Jim Davis

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RE: paypal API

[Mark A Kruger]

Lewis,

This whole API is a "first-run" in a lot of ways. They've done a good job of
providing lots of documents - but not a lot of useful samples and they've
overlooked some obvious stuff.

-Mark


-Original Message-
From: Lewis Sellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 10:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: paypal API


Mark A Kruger wrote:
> What about the "addressVerify" function?  It verifies an email against a
> given address - and returns and error code if the email is not associated
> with a valid paypal account.  Does your CFX tag support that function?

I get the feeling from the lack of doumentation it may be another of the
unsupported API calls.

http://paypal.forums.liveworld.com/thread.jspa?forumID=1059&threadID=114
04
http://paypal.forums.liveworld.com/thread.jspa?forumID=4004&threadID=114
75

I asked about the function in the developer forums btw. Perhaps, we'll
see what the "official" stance is on the issue.

--
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RE: paypal API

[Mark A Kruger]

Lewis - thanks! you've been extremly hepful.  I look forward to hearing more
about your cfx tag.

-mark


-Original Message-
From: Lewis Sellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 9:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: paypal API


Mark A Kruger wrote:
> What about the "addressVerify" function?  It verifies an email against a
> given address - and returns and error code if the email is not associated
> with a valid paypal account.

(Looks at paypal source code). You're quite right. An oversight. I was
focused on the main functions and simply forgot about it.

(I should mention this was something I've been doing as time permits
over the last two weeks or so. The plan, in fact, was to release it as a
beta on monday (today) or tuesday. The code is _that_ new. As it stands
it'll probably be sometime tomorrrow night I think.)

>   Does your CFX tag support that function?

Um. Sec... (Ok another sec) 

Why yes, it apparently does now. However, after submittin the required
email/zip/street, I'm getting back a "You do not have permissions to
make this API call". It's the only function call that returns that error.

So... when I've some time later today i'll look into it further

> Could you explain your acronyms.. GTF, RF and TS

Sorry. GTD=GetTransactionDetails, RF=RefundTransaction, etc. Too much
typing otherwise

-Mark
> -Original Message-
> From: Lewis Sellers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: paypal API
>
>
> Mark A Kruger wrote:
>
>>I'm looking for a Java class or CFC implimentation of the paypal developer
>>network API. My purpose is to be able to verify whether someone has a
>
> valid
>
>>paypal account before they are allowed to list products on a site. Does
>>anyone have such an animal?
>
>
> Hmm. The paypal API has, aside from a "tell fortune" function (for
> certifice-less connection testing) and BillUser+
> (both of which are still in private beta testing) the following functions:
>
> GetTransactionDetails, RefundTransaction, TransactionSearch and, most
> recently, MassPay.
>
> I don't see (off hand) how either GTD or RF would help you validate a
> paypal account. TS has a lot of options... so many I'd have to look to
> make sure first but I don't think it will help either. MassPay (as the
> name might suggest) allows you to pay 1-250 registered paypal accounts
> (the same dollar amount) at one time. I'd have to look and try it out,
> but ... perhaps you could sent a small amount (preferably $0.00) and it
> may give you back and error (it should anyway) if their account is not
> valid.
>
> I'll try it later after "the 5 people you met in heaven" is over.  :)
> (I've written a java CFX called CFX_PayPalAPI I can test it against
> fairly easily.)
>
>
>>Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MSCE
>>www.cfwebtools.com
>>www.necfug.com
>>http://blog.mxconsulting.com
>
>
>
> --
> --Lewis Sellers (AKA min)
> Intrafoundation Software
> http://www.intrafoundation.com
>
>
>
>



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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Stacy Young]

" I went to my Dads house the other day (upper management type), to my
surprise he was running firefox,"

Ha! That's funny, same happened with my old man. He called me up and
asked, "whats this about firefox?", so he's using it now.

As for our corporate sites we're now seeing ~10% mozilla on our merchant
portal and ~19% on our public site.

-Stace

-Original Message-
From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:30 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 21:17:51 -0500, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> What makes you think the masses will ever get it? Most people don't
just
> download and install software, period. 

God I wish that were true... I can't tell you how many people have
called me for help (way non-techy), and I get there to find they have
installed Kazaa or some stupid toolbar programs complete with 57
spyware programs.

>(Not counting all the ActiveX junk that people install without
knowing what they're doing.)

Oh lets not even get started ;)

>I use Mozilla and
> like it, but even most developers I know still use IE because that's
what's
> on their computer.

I went to my Dads house the other day (upper management type), to my
surprise he was running firefox, and I didn't even tell him too. Every
developer I know who runs windows uses firefox (linux and mac users
too), but most of the sites they work on are under the old "make it
work with IE only" directive from the uppers - so they run IE while
working.

I have found that if you follow the trend of what the geeks and
developers are doing you can see what the non-techies will be doing
soon. If not only for the simple fact non-techs ask for our opinion
all the time and have us work on their systems. I personally have
gotten at least 13 people to use firefox and dump IE (bit OT: 3 people
to switch to Macs, and 2 guys to switch to Linux as their workstation
too)

To find out who broke the law - follow the money. To find out where
technology is going - follow the geeks.

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RE: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Burns, John D]

Yeah, that's great until they call the helpdesk or someone comes in
behind you to support it and can't figure out what the heck is going on.
Funny as crap, but a pain for support.

John 

-Original Message-
From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

"I install firefox on almost everyones computer that I have to run
spybot on (non-techies). Then I change the Icon to the "E" and they are
none the wiser."

Thats classic, gave me a good chuckle on a Monday morning.

Thanks,
CC
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Re: extract values from arrays dynamically

[Charlie Griefer]

do you have to store the data like that?  an array of structs seems
like it would be easier to work with...

















you could then just loop over a 1d array and deal with each individual
structure (and subsequent array of answers).



On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 13:22:58 -0400, Joy Holman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to dynamically extract all the select option choices for each question 
> in a form. The number of choices for each question vary. I have a 
> multi-dimensional array that stores the questsions and choices for each test 
> like the array shown below:
> 
> How can I create one piece of code that can take variables and loop through 
> the array to display the choices for one, specific question? How would I 
> write the cfloop? I can't figure out where I'd get number of choices per 
> question from the array. I know I don't want ArrayLen. I do want the length 
> of a set of items though, for example: all the choices for [1][2]{[x] where x 
> = the index grabbing each actual choice in that particular question.
> 
> I'd appreciate any leads on this question.
> 
> Thanks.
> JRose
> 
> 
> QstnKey = ArrayNew(3);
> QstnKey[1][1][1] = "TEst1";
> QstnKey[1][2][1]="a. choice 1";
> QstnKey[1][2][2]="b. choice 2";
> QstnKey[1][2][3]="c. choice 3";
> QstnKey[1][3[1]="a. choice 1";
> QstnKey[1][3[2]="b. choice 2";
> QstnKey[1][3[3]="c. choice 3";
> QstnKey[2][1][1]="Test2";
> QstnKey[2][2][1]="a. choice 1";
> QstnKey[2][2][2]="b. choice 2";
> QstnKey[2][2][3]="c. choice 3";
> QstnKey[2][3][1]="a. choice 1";
> QstnKey[2][3][2]="b. choice 2";
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Big test for the Java people out there: static initialisers in CFX tags.

[Katz, Dov B (IT)]

How are the subclasses loaded?  I suspect you need to load them
somewhere

Perhaps a bunch of Class.forName("the.package.TheClass") invocations
will be needed to actually load these up. (implicitly calling their
static intializers).

Dov

PS- if you use a hashtable instead of a hashmap , it is internally
synchronized...


-Original Message-
From: Keith Gaughan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Big test for the Java people out there: static initialisers in
CFX tags.

I'm writing a tag right now, and for some reason static initialisers
aren't working for me. Some background first:

The tag I'm writing interfaces with another server using some odd
bespoke protocol that the developers dreamt up. The protocol has a
variety of different message types, each of which returns a set of
records.

Now, there's a lot of these and I don't need to implement the whole
protocol right now, nor do I want to go fiddling around rebuilding the
jar file each time I need to handle a new message. So I came up with the
following outline of a design:

I have a class called "Handler": this acts as the base class for all the
various message handlers. Besides the instance methods, it has a pair of
static methods that allow handlers to register themselves to handle a
certain message type, and for other classes to look up the message
handler that deals with the message type it needs processed:

public class Handler...
 private static Map g_handlers = new HashMap();

 // ...

 protected static void register(final String msgCode, Class cls)
 {
 synchronized (g_handlers)
 {
 g_handlers.put(msgCode, cls);
 }
 }

 public static Handler getHandler(final String msgCode)
 throws Exception
 {
 Class cls;

 synchronized (g_handlers)
 {
 // We don't want to swallow the message, so notify the
 // calling template that we can't handle it.
 if (!g_handlers.containsKey(msgCode))
 throw new Exception(
 "Don't know a Handler for message code: " +
 msgCode);

 // We know how to handle it! Get the handler class.
 cls = (Class) g_handlers.get(msgCode);
 }

 return (Handler) cls.newInstance();
 }

Meanwhile, the subclasses are meant to register themselves using a
static initialiser when they're loaded:

public class GDPHandler extends Handler...
 static
 {
 Handler.registerHandler("GDP", GDPHandler.class);
 }

Now, I don't know if I'm being very thick or what, but I can't figure
out why they aren't registering timeselves. I'm sure I'm missing
something bloody obvious and I've just been staring at this code for too
long.

So if anybody can give me a slap on the back of the head and tell me
what I'm forgetting in my current state of tiredness and frustration,
I'd really appreciate it.[1]

K.

[1] The slap is optional and I'd prefer to be helped without it. ;-)

--
Keith Gaughan, Developer
Digital Crew Ltd., Pembroke House, Pembroke Street, Cork, Ireland
http://digital-crew.com/



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Re: SOT: Browser Stats (stirring the pot)

[Casey C Cook]

"I install firefox on almost everyones computer that I have to run
spybot on (non-techies). Then I change the Icon to the "E" and they
are none the wiser."

Thats classic, gave me a good chuckle on a Monday morning.

Thanks,
CC
x56927




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extract values from arrays dynamically

[Joy Holman]

I need to dynamically extract all the select option choices for each question 
in a form. The number of choices for each question vary. I have a 
multi-dimensional array that stores the questsions and choices for each test 
like the array shown below:

How can I create one piece of code that can take variables and loop through the 
array to display the choices for one, specific question? How would I write the 
cfloop? I can't figure out where I'd get number of choices per question from 
the array. I know I don't want ArrayLen. I do want the length of a set of items 
though, for example: all the choices for [1][2]{[x] where x = the index 
grabbing each actual choice in that particular question.

I'd appreciate any leads on this question.

Thanks.
JRose



QstnKey = ArrayNew(3);
QstnKey[1][1][1] = "TEst1";
QstnKey[1][2][1]="a. choice 1";
QstnKey[1][2][2]="b. choice 2";
QstnKey[1][2][3]="c. choice 3";
QstnKey[1][3[1]="a. choice 1";
QstnKey[1][3[2]="b. choice 2";
QstnKey[1][3[3]="c. choice 3";
QstnKey[2][1][1]="Test2";
QstnKey[2][2][1]="a. choice 1";
QstnKey[2][2][2]="b. choice 2";
QstnKey[2][2][3]="c. choice 3";
QstnKey[2][3][1]="a. choice 1";
QstnKey[2][3][2]="b. choice 2";


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