Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Russ,

You did, of course, state why, but it did not click until you just reworded
it.  Thank you!  It makes perfect sense now.

(And yes, I had already changed to removing noise words from the search
string.)


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RE: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Russ Michaels

Matt,

I did actually give an explanation of why it doesn't work, perhaps you
skipped that. So moving the words around wouldn't work as you are still
searching for 3 words near to each other which are not near each other as
"my" is not in your collection index.
As I said, you need to parse the noise word list to make sure you do not
search on any of them, especially if you are dynamically search on values
passed from a form.
if you want to search on noise words you will need to remove them from  the
noise list and re-index your collection, then it should work.

Russ

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@ Russ-

Thanks for the reply.  I've read that page so many times that it's all just
gibberish right now.  My brain is mush.  LOL

Suffice it to say, as you stated, when encountered in a FTS search string,
noise/stop words block any results from being delivered.

@ Ian-

I had not tried that prior to your asking, but I have now.  No change in the
results.

@ Everyone-

Thank you for your responses.  I am putting this one to bed now.  :-)




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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

@ Russ-

Thanks for the reply.  I've read that page so many times that it's all just
gibberish right now.  My brain is mush.  LOL

Suffice it to say, as you stated, when encountered in a FTS search string,
noise/stop words block any results from being delivered.

@ Ian-

I had not tried that prior to your asking, but I have now.  No change in the
results.

@ Everyone-

Thank you for your responses.  I am putting this one to bed now.  :-)


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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Ian Skinner

  Just an off-the-wall idea.

Did you try a different order to the words?  I.E. chemical NEAR romance 
AND my

I was speculating what might happen of the 'noise' word came later in 
the list.


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RE: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Russ Michaels

I now recall having this issue myself many years ago, and the reason it
doesn't work is because the noise words (now called stop words) are not
actually indexed, rather than being stripped from the search which is what
you assumed. On SQL 2000 you couldn't even use the stop words period or you
get an error, so you had to parse the noise file and strip and noise words
out of the CONTAINS clause so that they were not used.
Obviously the error no longer occurs since SQL 2005, you just don;t get any
search results. 

Here is a better  explanation of full text and stop words for you.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms142551.aspx


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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Carl,

Thanks for that link.  I appreciate it.  :-)

I guess I am simply totally misunderstanding noise/stop words in SQL
Server.  My understanding was that they were ignored in a query.  But the
behavior I am seeing indicates that the entire search string is ignored if
such a word is encountered.  


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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Carl Von Stetten

Matt,

I googled on "sql server noise words" and found this link:

http://arcanecode.com/2008/05/29/creating-and-customizing-noise-words-in-sql-server-2005-full-text-search/

I followed the directions and found the noise lookup file being used by SQL 
Server 2005 on my computer, and confirmed that "my" is in the list.  If you 
need "my" to be included in your searches, you could remove it from your list.  
However, if you ever migrate SQL to another server, you'll have to remember to 
update the noise list on that server.

HTH,
Carl


>Thanks for the tip on using just a single NEAR keyword.  In this particular
>example (my chemical romance), it still results in no records being
>returned.  The only thing I can figure is that 'my' is a noise word, and all
>searching is ignored once a noise word is hit.
>
>For the time being, I've merely added 'my' to the list of words that are
>parsed out of the search string, and am getting the desired results.  Maybe
>one day I'll actually have time to figure out what and why.  :-)
>
>Thanks everyone for your help. 

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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Thanks for the tip on using just a single NEAR keyword.  In this particular
example (my chemical romance), it still results in no records being
returned.  The only thing I can figure is that 'my' is a noise word, and all
searching is ignored once a noise word is hit.

For the time being, I've merely added 'my' to the list of words that are
parsed out of the search string, and am getting the desired results.  Maybe
one day I'll actually have time to figure out what and why.  :-)

Thanks everyone for your help.


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RE: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread UXB

Try this:

CONTAINS (EventName,' "my" NEAR "chemical" AND "romance" ')

I have found that since SQL2000 that the Near operator does weird things.
In my search pages we parse the input, remove noise words and if there are
more than 2 terms structure the query as "term1" NEAR "Term2" AND "term3"
AND "term4".  Essentially we only use NEAR one in a search and always as the
first operator


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888008
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/970909



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I'm not overly familiar with NEAR but most of the examples I've seen where
NEAR is strung together show it without the quotes.

CONTAINS (EventName,'my NEAR chemical NEAR romance')

That's probably no help, but I thought I'd share.



On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Matt Quackenbush
wrote:

>
> SQL Server 2005
>
> For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the hell this...
>
> WHERE
>   CONTAINS (EventName,' "my" NEAR "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')
>
> ...returns 0 results, yet this...
>
> WHERE
>   CONTAINS (EventName,' "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')
>
> ...returns the correct records.
>
> Why does "my" exclude any records?
>
>
> 



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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

@ Michael-

Unfortunately, you are correct: That's no help.  Same result without the
quotes.  :-(

I know that "noise words" are ignored, but what appears to be happening is
that it is ignoring the entire thing, rather than just the (possible) noise
word "my".


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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Michael Grant

I'm not overly familiar with NEAR but most of the examples I've seen where
NEAR is strung together show it without the quotes.

CONTAINS (EventName,'my NEAR chemical NEAR romance')

That's probably no help, but I thought I'd share.



On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote:

>
> SQL Server 2005
>
> For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the hell this...
>
> WHERE
>   CONTAINS (EventName,' "my" NEAR "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')
>
> ...returns 0 results, yet this...
>
> WHERE
>   CONTAINS (EventName,' "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')
>
> ...returns the correct records.
>
> Why does "my" exclude any records?
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Ayep.  The band name is "My Chemical Romance".  I'd say that definitely
qualifies as NEAR.  :-)


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RE: (ot) SQL Server Full-Text Search CONTAINS()

2010-11-23 Thread Russ Michaels

Are there any results that actually have those 3 words near each other ?

Russ

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SQL Server 2005

For the life of me, I cannot figure out why the hell this...

WHERE
   CONTAINS (EventName,' "my" NEAR "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')

...returns 0 results, yet this...

WHERE
   CONTAINS (EventName,' "chemical" NEAR "romance" ')

...returns the correct records.

Why does "my" exclude any records?




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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Don L

FYI,
a) Project deadline is days away.  One should probably not to change horse 
while crossing a river (of course another could argue "should you really need 
to cross the river?")
b) The randomly reported error may not accurately reflect sql server 2005 
express sp3 installation success or failure with Vista.  Too bad MS is not very 
accurate on this, "only a small number of users has this (installation) 
problem", also, in rare situation it would crash a user's computer, shameful.
c) I have another option.
d) Converting the app from cf8 to railo has already caused me quite a bit of 
pain
not because railo has some real issue but because of misunderstanding or 
difference in expectation.  Would like to avoid this especially now.
e) I leave the option open to move away from MS DBMS but right now timing is 
way too bad.  But if MS is on my back then hell I would be forced to take 
action.  Then who the heck am I?  Kidding myself!
f) Intend to publish the db schema (or most of them) in case other cfers would 
like to extend the app.  But definitely not now.

>Out of curiosity, after all  the problems you have had with MSSQL Express
>and all the alternatives that have been offered. Are you going to continue
>to use MSSQL Express? Or will you try using one of the alternatives?
>Best Regards.
>Emmit
>
>On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM, D
>
>> 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Emmit Larson

Out of curiosity, after all  the problems you have had with MSSQL Express
and all the alternatives that have been offered. Are you going to continue
to use MSSQL Express? Or will you try using one of the alternatives?
Best Regards.
Emmit

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Don L  wrote:

>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Don L wrote:
> > >> Mysql, sql lite, h2, derby  = no install
> > > sql lite is eliminated for it's not a dbms but a c library for a dbm.
> >  of the remaining 3, which one is most compatiable with ms sql server
> > 2005 syntax and feature-wise?
> >
> > PostgreSQL.
> >
> > Supports silent installation, PostgreSQL driver is included in Railo
> > out of the box. And PostgreSQL is licensed under the BSD license so
> > you can use it without fear of having to release your own stuff as
> > open source.
> >
> > Jochem
> >
> thanks for the input.
> > Jochem van Dieten
> > http://jochem.vandieten.
> net/
>
> 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Don L

> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Don L wrote:
> >> Mysql, sql lite, h2, derby  = no install
> > sql lite is eliminated for it's not a dbms but a c library for a dbm. 
>  of the remaining 3, which one is most compatiable with ms sql server 
> 2005 syntax and feature-wise?
> 
> PostgreSQL.
> 
> Supports silent installation, PostgreSQL driver is included in Railo
> out of the box. And PostgreSQL is licensed under the BSD license so
> you can use it without fear of having to release your own stuff as
> open source.
> 
> Jochem
> 
thanks for the input.
> Jochem van Dieten
> http://jochem.vandieten.
net/

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Don L

>Looks like it's still Vista SP1, Home Premium Edition.
>
>No clue what version of the Installer is in place.  There are no entries 
>in those keys that are specific to the installer itself, at least not on 
>my OS.

Good to know, thanks.  Those two registry branches are pretty standard for XP 
probably Vista is a quite different "beast", could you run a key word search 
for "Windows Installer" at the computer level across all registries with 
regedit for me?  Would greatly appreciate it. 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Jason Fisher

Looks like it's still Vista SP1, Home Premium Edition.

No clue what version of the Installer is in place.  There are no entries 
in those keys that are specific to the installer itself, at least not on 
my OS.

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Don L

> Actually, I run SQL 2005 Express on my Vista box at home for dev work, 
> and it's actually been fine.  SQL Express has its own problems (what 
> do you mean I can't move data with it??), but that's not a Vista issue. 
Could you look up Windows Installer version from registry on your Vista box for 
me?
Probably here are places to start,
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components

Also, what edition of your Vista os?

Thanks. 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Jochem van Dieten

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Don L wrote:
>> Mysql, sql lite, h2, derby  = no install
> sql lite is eliminated for it's not a dbms but a c library for a dbm.  of the 
> remaining 3, which one is most compatiable with ms sql server 2005 syntax and 
> feature-wise?

PostgreSQL.

Supports silent installation, PostgreSQL driver is included in Railo
out of the box. And PostgreSQL is licensed under the BSD license so
you can use it without fear of having to release your own stuff as
open source.

Jochem

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-12 Thread Jason Fisher

Actually, I run SQL 2005 Express on my Vista box at home for dev work, and it's 
actually been fine.  SQL Express has its own problems (what do you mean I can't 
move data with it??), but that's not a Vista issue. 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-11 Thread Don L

sql lite is eliminated for it's not a dbms but a c library for a dbm.  of the 
remaining 3, which one is most compatiable with ms sql server 2005 syntax and 
feature-wise? do they all support quiet installation? do h2 and derby support 
dll as well? how about creating datasource connection to railo cfml engine? fk 
ms! it made me so mad (their own os, their own dbms, all fucked up!)

>Mysql, sql lite, h2, derby  = no install
>
>All of which have rich SQL dialects and are very capable.
>
>Problem solved!
>
>G!
>
>On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, D
>
>>
>> I'd like to hear people's experience on this, my users/customers reported
>> tons of problem with it while generally positive on XP.  I don't have vista
>> box myself, can't test it on my own.  thks.
>>
>> 

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Re: (ot) sql server 2005 express sp3 installation onto vista os

2009-08-11 Thread Gerald Guido

Mysql, sql lite, h2, derby  = no install

All of which have rich SQL dialects and are very capable.

Problem solved!

G!

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>
> I'd like to hear people's experience on this, my users/customers reported
> tons of problem with it while generally positive on XP.  I don't have vista
> box myself, can't test it on my own.  thks.
>
> 

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Re: (ot) SQL Server disk configuration

2009-03-11 Thread Jochem van Dieten

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Rick Root wrote:
> The server has 4x146gb scsi drives set up in 2 RAID-1 mirrored sets.
>
> We ended up with a 20 gig C drive and a 120gb D: drive on one mirrored
> set, and 70 gig E: and F: drives on the other mirrored set.  Currently
> we've got our SQL Server data files on the D: drive, the transaction
> logs on the E: drive, and the backups on the F: drive.
>
> The database is relatively small (7gb) but used pretty heavily..

Used how? Updates, inserts and deletes or just selects? How many of
each per second? And which software exactly do you mean by SQL Server?


> I have the ability to add four more drives to the machine...

Why would you? What is the current bottleneck and how would adding drives help?

Jochem

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RE: OT: SQL Server Accessing Excel file.

2008-03-10 Thread DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
I'll give that a try and see what happens.
 

-Original Message-
From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 9:09 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server Accessing Excel file.

Is there any way you can copy the file and use the copy? That was my
first
thought.

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the off topic, but this has been a real pain in my behind.
We
> have a process were our SQL server reads in data from an Excel file.
> From there the data is used in various CF pages.
>
> The problem is that the file that we import data from is opened by
users
> to make changes before the next data load.  A few of them, when it's
> their turn to edit the file, open the file and leave it open and leave
> for the day.
>
> They are are internal customer and threats of corporate policy
> violation, going to their bosses, etc have no effect.  No matter if
they
> have the file open or not, if the data doesn't load, it's considered
our
> fault.
>
> Does anyone know of anyway to force SQL Server 2000 to open an excel
> file in read only mode? That way I can get the data and not have to
> worry anymore.
>
> I googled it, but I didn't find much, except how to track down who has
> the file open. (Which doesn't help me).
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> Steve Durette
> SR IT Analyst
> 586-466-7654
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>
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Re: OT: SQL Server Accessing Excel file.

2008-03-10 Thread Gerald Guido
Is there any way you can copy the file and use the copy? That was my first
thought.

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:29 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for the off topic, but this has been a real pain in my behind.  We
> have a process were our SQL server reads in data from an Excel file.
> From there the data is used in various CF pages.
>
> The problem is that the file that we import data from is opened by users
> to make changes before the next data load.  A few of them, when it's
> their turn to edit the file, open the file and leave it open and leave
> for the day.
>
> They are are internal customer and threats of corporate policy
> violation, going to their bosses, etc have no effect.  No matter if they
> have the file open or not, if the data doesn't load, it's considered our
> fault.
>
> Does anyone know of anyway to force SQL Server 2000 to open an excel
> file in read only mode? That way I can get the data and not have to
> worry anymore.
>
> I googled it, but I didn't find much, except how to track down who has
> the file open. (Which doesn't help me).
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
>
>
> Steve Durette
> SR IT Analyst
> 586-466-7654
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: OT: SQL Server Problem

2007-07-20 Thread Rick Root
Never mind, I found my solution...

take DB offline
detach database
rename transaction log file
re-attach database WITHOUT transaction log
SQL Server creates small transaction log file

Problem solved!

On 7/20/07, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a problem with our database server.  We have a database that we
> load from text files every day... the db itself is about 9 gb.  The
> log settings is "bulk logged" and I don't perform backups.
>
> Unfortunately, it still logs SOME stuff... and the transaction log is
> now 55 gig
>
> Problem is... I have no room on the server now to perform a
> transaction log backup, and I can't shrink the file because it's
> pretty much all allocated.
>
> How do I get rid of the transaction log?
>
> Can I detach the database and then re-attach it without the log file?
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Re: OT: SQL Server Import Help Needed

2007-01-16 Thread Jon Clausen
Les,

Have you tried copying the cell and doing a "Paste Special>Values"?

Sometimes, with a cell that's been worked alot Excel stores all sorts  
of weird stuff in there.   I've run into this before on files that  
were unusually large for what they contained.  Doing a Select  
All>Copy>Paste Special>Values fixed it.

That is if you're transferring from an .xls file and not a .csv.

HTH,

Jon

On Jan 16, 2007, at 7:36 PM, Les Mizzell wrote:

> Trying to import an Excel Spreadsheet into an ntext(16) field using  
> the
> Enterprise manager.
>
> Getting an error: "Row Number 22"
> Data Source Column is too large for specified buffer size."
>
> Looking at the Excel Sheet - it's less than a paragraph of text.
>
> Going through my CF Admin form to add data to the same table - I can
> paste PAGES of stuff from Word into the same column with no problem.
>
>
> I'm sorta stumped.
>
> What could it be?
>
> 

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Re: OT: SQL Server CPU Utilization maxes at 25%

2006-09-01 Thread Rick Root
Jim Wright wrote:
> 
> Is this perhaps a 4 CPU machine, with Task Manager set to show one graph 
> for all, and with SQL server set to only use one CPU?

It's a dual CPU machine with hyperthreading.

Yeah, I didn't consider that the single graph would really just show an 
average.  When viewed as 4 CPU graphs, the CPU usage is much more 
erratic, spiking as high as 90%.

I guess it's possible that I'm having I/O issues.  I'll have to figure 
out how to do real performance monitoring to find out for sure =)

My DTS package actually consists of about 50 completely independent 
steps, none of which rely on each other for completion - there's no 
workflow.  Each "step" consists of a group of Transact-SQL statements - 
one to drop the existing table, one to recreate the table, one to do the 
bulk insert from a text file, and then one or more to create indexes.

Usually there are 4 or 5 steps running simultaneously.

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Re: OT: SQL Server CPU Utilization maxes at 25%

2006-09-01 Thread Rick Root
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote:
> 5GB Every morning?! All new data?

We're dumping our entire mainframe db2 database every night and FTPing 
them to the SQL Server.  We don't have the ability to do replication, 
and writing processes on the mainframe that would only dump the data 
that changed would be far more intensive than just unloading the 
complete tables.

The SQL Server is essentially a data repository, and we don't have any 
replication tools nor the budget for any.

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Re: OT: SQL Server CPU Utilization maxes at 25%

2006-09-01 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Rick Root wrote:
> I have a fairly large bulk insert DTS task in SQL Serve that loads 5 gig 
> or so of data into our database every morning.  It drops the original 
> tables, bulk inserts the data, then recreates all the indexes.  No 
> logging, etc.

> http://www.it.dev.duke.edu/temp/sqlcpu.gif
> It seems really odd to me that the CPU usage flatlines at 25%.

Might it be a dual-core/hyperthreading, dual CPU/hypertreading or quad-CPU 
machine?

If the system is not I/O bound you can probably improve the performance by 
running multiple threads and kicking off index builds simultaneously. As soon 
as you have loaded a table, start building the indexes on it while the loading 
process continues with the next table. Unfortunately even the online index 
option of  SQL Server 2005 does not mean you can create multiple indexes on the 
same table simultaneously.

Jochem

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Re: OT: SQL Server CPU Utilization maxes at 25%

2006-09-01 Thread Jim Wright
Rick Root wrote:
> I have a fairly large bulk insert DTS task in SQL Serve that loads 5 gig 
> or so of data into our database every morning.  It drops the original 
> tables, bulk inserts the data, then recreates all the indexes.  No 
> logging, etc.
> 
> I'm trying to figure out a way to improve the speed of this process - 
> but the CPU utilization seems to have some kind of artificial limit of 25%
> 
> See this graph:
> http://www.it.dev.duke.edu/temp/sqlcpu.gif
> 
> It seems really odd to me that the CPU usage flatlines at 25%.
> 
> What might be going on here?

Is this perhaps a 4 CPU machine, with Task Manager set to show one graph 
for all, and with SQL server set to only use one CPU?

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Re: OT: SQL Server CPU Utilization maxes at 25%

2006-09-01 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
5GB Every morning?! All new data?






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I have a fairly large bulk insert DTS task in SQL Serve that loads 5 gig 
or so of data into our database every morning.  It drops the original 
tables, bulk inserts the data, then recreates all the indexes.  No 
logging, etc.

I'm trying to figure out a way to improve the speed of this process - 
but the CPU utilization seems to have some kind of artificial limit of 25%

See this graph:
http://www.it.dev.duke.edu/temp/sqlcpu.gif

It seems really odd to me that the CPU usage flatlines at 25%.

What might be going on here?

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Re: OT: SQL Server Emergency

2006-07-20 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 23:07, Jeff D. Chastain wrote:
> in the past that by removing the log file SQL server would rebuild a new
> one and you would only loose whatever transactions were in the log file. 

Well, unless it was half way through doing something, I suppose it might.
Doesn't strike me as a very good plan except if-all-else-fails.
I don't suppose undeleting the log works ?

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re: OT: SQL Server Emergency

2006-07-19 Thread Jeff D . Chastain
Okay, I can't detach the database because it is being used in replication.  So, 
I tried to use the stored procedure sp_removedbreplication to stop the 
replication and I get an error because the database is in recovery/emergency 
mode.  Next 

Thanks.



Sorry for the priority off-topic, but I have a SQL server down and I am running 
out of ideas.

The log file for one of my databases was corrupted. I thought I rememberd in 
the past that by removing the log file SQL server would rebuild a new one and 
you would only loose whatever transactions were in the log file. Apparently 
not. I stopped SQL server, deleted the log file and restarted it. Now the 
database is marked as suspect. I have tried detaching the database, but the 
database is/was used in a replication and SQL server won't allow me to detach 
it.

How can I disable the replication in order to detach the database and then 
reattach it so that it will rebuild a new log file?

Thanks.



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Re: OT: SQL Server- Postgres Distributed Transactions

2006-06-22 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Nick Han wrote:
>
>erver: Msg 7391, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
>The operation could not be performed because the OLE DB provider
>'MSDASQL' was unable to begin a distributed transaction.
>[OLE/DB provider returned message: Unsupported connect attribute (Set)]
>OLE DB error trace [OLE/DB Provider 'MSDASQL'
>ITransactionJoin::JoinTransaction returned 0x8004d00a].

Which PostgreSQL version? What is in the PostgreSQL log file?

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RE: OT: SQL Server- Postgres Distributed Transactions

2006-06-21 Thread Nick Han
Jochem,
  This is the error msg I get,

erver: Msg 7391, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
The operation could not be performed because the OLE DB provider
'MSDASQL' was unable to begin a distributed transaction.
[OLE/DB provider returned message: Unsupported connect attribute (Set)]
OLE DB error trace [OLE/DB Provider 'MSDASQL'
ITransactionJoin::JoinTransaction returned 0x8004d00a].

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Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server- Postgres Distributed Transactions

Nick Han wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a solution to making transactions work,
> when using remote calls from SQL Server to Postgres?  We have a link
> server setup and we are able to push data over to Postgres from SQL
> Server.  What we are having a problem with is when trying to wrap
> transactions around the calls, the transaction fails.

Are you using 2-phase commit? Which versions? What error?

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Re: OT: SQL Server- Postgres Distributed Transactions

2006-06-21 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Nick Han wrote:
> Does anyone know if there is a solution to making transactions work,
> when using remote calls from SQL Server to Postgres?  We have a link
> server setup and we are able to push data over to Postgres from SQL
> Server.  What we are having a problem with is when trying to wrap
> transactions around the calls, the transaction fails.

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Re: OT: SQL Server + internal/external IPs

2005-10-07 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 10/4/05, Bob Haroche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you sure your router supports loopback? I had the same issue
> where I couldn't browse to my dev sites using their external IP's
> when I'm on my LAN, though I can when I'm outside my LAN.

Nah, that's definitely not it - I can browse the dev sites, remote
desktop, FTP using both internal and external - it was just SQL Server
that wasn't playing along.

We actually worked around the problem by adding an internal network
adapter to the Virtual Server machine and doing the required DTS
operations locally, then removing the extra adapter when we were
finished. I think it must be something to do with how SQL Server was
installed but as I fixed the problem I don't have time to investigate
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Re: OT: SQL Server + internal/external IPs

2005-10-04 Thread Bob Haroche
On Oct 4, 2005, at 12:11 AM, Kay Smoljak wrote:
>
> The machine has two network interfaces - an internal 10.0.0.n IP and
> an external 203.n.n.n IP. I can connect to the local 10.0.0.n IP using
> Enterprise Manager no problems - but not using the external IP
>

Are you sure your router supports loopback? I had the same issue  
where I couldn't browse to my dev sites using their external IP's  
when I'm on my LAN, though I can when I'm outside my LAN. I have a  
SOHO Netgear router and the manufacturer confirmed that routers of  
that grade do not support internal loopback like I was trying to do.  
My solution was to change by hosts file to point to the server like so:

www.client.dev.mydomain.com  192.168.0.x.x

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RE: OT : sql server roles help

2005-05-25 Thread Dave Watts
> Hmm, so how do I create a login thats the same as the table owner?
> 
> I tried the login wizard and used the same name as the table owner and
> now have two users with the same name. Both seem to be the table
> owners but neither seems to be a login!
> 
> I'm sure I'm close!  Thanks for any help in advance.

Logins are server-wide. Once you have a login, you can assign it to a user
or role within a specific database. I've never used the create login wizard,
so I can't help you there, but once you have a login you can go to the
specific database within Enterprise Manager, go to Users, and assign the
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Re: OT : sql server roles help

2005-05-25 Thread DRE
Hmm, so how do I create a login thats the same as the table owner?

I tried the login wizard and used the same name as the table owner and
now have two users with the same name. Both seem to be the table
owners but neither seems to be a login!

I'm sure I'm close!  Thanks for any help in advance.

DRE


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> > actually, if in the query. I give the table owners name before the
> > table. I can see it.  So somehow the login doesnt know enough to look
> > at the tables owner.  Hmm.  Anybody?
> 
> If the login is different from the actual table owner, you will have to
> specify the table owner within the table name reference.
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RE: OT : sql server roles help

2005-05-25 Thread Dave Watts
> actually, if in the query. I give the table owners name before the
> table. I can see it.  So somehow the login doesnt know enough to look
> at the tables owner.  Hmm.  Anybody?

If the login is different from the actual table owner, you will have to
specify the table owner within the table name reference.

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Re: OT : sql server roles help

2005-05-25 Thread DRE
actually, if in the query. I give the table owners name before the
table. I can see it.  So somehow the login doesnt know enough to look
at the tables owner.  Hmm.  Anybody?

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> Hi,
> I'm not that familiar with sql server but I've got a database that I
> can connect to.  However, cf cant see a table.  I know this has to do
> with roles and permissions and stuff like that but I just cant seem to
> get it right.  Anybody got any tips?  Thanks.
> 
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Re: OT: SQL Server forum/list

2005-02-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
There's also a SQL list on House of Fusion that has some very knowledgeable 
people, though it is low traffic.

>Okay... since my request for a good oracle list/forum was successful, 
>here's another one.
>
>I'm looking for recommendations on a good SQL Server list or forum.
>
>We're going to be doing a lot of work with SQL Server coming up soon, 
>and I'm working on importing large amounts of data (5 gigs or so of data 
>to be imported every night).  I'm gonna need some help making it occur 
>as quickly as possible =)
>
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Re: OT: SQL Server forum/list

2005-02-15 Thread Mike Chabot
I enjoy SQLServerCentral.com

-Mike Chabot

> Rick Root wrote:
> > I'm looking for recommendations on a good SQL Server list or forum.

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Re: OT: SQL Server forum/list

2005-02-15 Thread Paul Hastings
Rick Root wrote:
> I'm looking for recommendations on a good SQL Server list or forum.

http://vyaskn.tripod.com/lists.htm

lots of smart folks on SSWUG.org (though i can't seem to get to it just 
now). however some of the MVP from that list are now more actve in the 
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Re: OT: SQL Server mirroring

2005-02-14 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dustin Snell [Network Automation] wrote:
> 
> I know there is clustercats for ColdFusion but we want to do the database
> server first. Everything I am reading says you need at least *three*
> machines to do a simple mirror with SQL Server, is this true??

Depends on which definition of mirroring / clustering / 
replication / failover you use and whether the purpose is 
reduncancy or performance.

For resilient eager multimaster replication you would need at 
least 3 systems so that as long as 2 systems can agree with 
eachother they have a quorum and can proceed. If you have only 2 
systems and they lose their connection they can each get 
conflicting updates and they have no way to determine which one 
gets precedent, effectively deadlocking both systems.


> We would like
> to have two machines, machine A and Machine B. Machine B stays in synch with
> A and only goes live if Machine A is out of service. Why would this need and
> more than two machines? 

This is typically called a hot standby configuration. If it is 
implemented with a shared disk array you need only 2 systems, if 
you can afford to potentially loose one or a few transactions you 
can implement it with 2 shared-nothing systems.

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Re: OT: SQL Server Licensing

2005-02-03 Thread John Beynon
no - it just went to the per CPU licensing model,

john.


>We are considering migrating a number of web sites, RIAs, and a client 
>server application from a variety of databases, including Oracle, MySQL, 
>and Access, to SQL Server.
>
>Last time I used SQL Server (long time ago), there was an "internet 
>connector" license required if you were going to have "clients" 
>accessing database info via a web server (which bugged me because 
>technically, the web server is the client).
>
>Does Microsoft still use this kind of licensing methodology?
>
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RE: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access

2004-12-16 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Thanks Ade,

I'm actually able to create the linked server okay, but I get this
when I try to select anything from it. There's no password on the
access db, so I'm not sure why it would fail authentication with
nothing to authenticate.

Server: Msg 7399, Level 16, State 1, Line 2
OLE DB provider 'Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0' reported an error.
Authentication failed.
[OLE/DB provider returned message: Cannot start your application. The
workgroup information file is missing or opened exclusively by another
user.]
OLE DB error trace [OLE/DB Provider 'Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0'
IDBInitialize::Initialize returned 0x80040e4d:  Authentication
failed.].



> I might be mistaken, but I think someone I work with did
> this a while back,
> it's the evening here so I'll have to ask tomorrow. What
> error are you
> getting?

> Ade

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 20:31
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access


> Does anyone on this list have experience connecting to an
> Access DB
> within SQL Server as a linked server? I can't seem to make
> sense of
> the errors being produced.


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RE: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access

2004-12-16 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Wow you're good -- either that or I was really distracted and tired
yesterday... I just found the answer in the SQL Server BOL ... did a
search for msg 7399 and found it... boy is that obscure tho... in
order to connect to an insecure database, you have to create a linked
server login with username "Admin" and no password -- and then to drop
them, you specify sp_droplinkedserver 'linkedservername', 'droplogins'
-- but the 2nd argument to sp_droplinkedserver is not a login string,
a list of logins, etc -- it's literally, the hard-coded literal string
value 'droplogins'... so the logic is

'droplogins' = true
null = false

I usually use 0/1 or true/false for that... :-/

Anyway, thanks ade

> I might be mistaken, but I think someone I work with did
> this a while back,
> it's the evening here so I'll have to ask tomorrow. What
> error are you
> getting?

> Ade

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> Sent: 15 December 2004 20:31
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access


> Does anyone on this list have experience connecting to an
> Access DB
> within SQL Server as a linked server? I can't seem to make
> sense of
> the errors being produced.


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RE: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access

2004-12-16 Thread Adrian Lynch
I might be mistaken, but I think someone I work with did this a while back,
it's the evening here so I'll have to ask tomorrow. What error are you
getting?

Ade

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - SQL Server Linked Server MS Access


Does anyone on this list have experience connecting to an Access DB
within SQL Server as a linked server? I can't seem to make sense of
the errors being produced.


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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-13 Thread Bert Dawson
Just for the record, things seemed to quiten down after i rebuilt all
the statistics.

AskJeeves spider was hitting the server in the particular way which
was causing the problems: there's a big cfquery with loads of
conditional stuff (and someCol=whatever), and
using particular search criteria was causing the query to run 00's of
times slower than normal.
All the same SQL was run in query analyser it ran fast.
Removing the cfqueryparam tags also made the query run fast, so i ran
sp_updatestats, and everything ran fast again - hurrah!

I suppose lessons would be to run sp_updatestats before anything else.
And that the AskJeeves spider likes SES urls.

Cheers
Bert

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 13:13:48 +, Bert Dawson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are you sure the username is the one that is used from CF then?
> 
> Yes, it definately the CF user - when i started looking at this i
> created a new new SQL login, and the only place this is used is in the
> DSN set up in CFadmin.
> 
> >
> >
> > > How would you suggest i use a manual checkpoint? Just open up query
> > > analyser and run CHECKPOINT?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> 
> I'll give that a go...
> 
> >
> > > Also,  have just profiler again, over a period of about 10 minutes
> > > when there appeared to be no abnormal activity (according to CPU
> > > usage), and there are still times where the number of SQLtransactions
> > > appear v high (up to 9,000 in a second), so i'm begining to wonder if
> > > this level of SQLTransactions/second is unusual, or just normal
> > > activity...
> >
> > I think it would be unusual
> >
> 
> Thats what i would have thought. They seem to some in pairs, with
> EventSubSlass: Begin and Commit, and ObjectName: "sort_init"
> 
> > Do the periods of high activity coincide with the transaction log
> > backups?
> >
> 
> Nope, they seem to come and go, though sometimes they show up failry
> regularly, and other times the CPU is just up and down all day
> 
> I'm begining to think i might need to rebuild some indexes, as there
> are a few tables which have fairly heavy levels of delete and insert.
> 
> Do you think fragmente indexes could cause this sort of behaviour?
> 
> Thanks
> Bert
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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-07 Thread Bert Dawson
> Are you sure the username is the one that is used from CF then?

Yes, it definately the CF user - when i started looking at this i
created a new new SQL login, and the only place this is used is in the
DSN set up in CFadmin.

> 
> 
> > How would you suggest i use a manual checkpoint? Just open up query
> > analyser and run CHECKPOINT?
> 
> Yes.
>

I'll give that a go...
 
> 
> > Also,  have just profiler again, over a period of about 10 minutes
> > when there appeared to be no abnormal activity (according to CPU
> > usage), and there are still times where the number of SQLtransactions
> > appear v high (up to 9,000 in a second), so i'm begining to wonder if
> > this level of SQLTransactions/second is unusual, or just normal
> > activity...
> 
> I think it would be unusual
> 

Thats what i would have thought. They seem to some in pairs, with
EventSubSlass: Begin and Commit, and ObjectName: "sort_init"

> Do the periods of high activity coincide with the transaction log
> backups?
> 

Nope, they seem to come and go, though sometimes they show up failry
regularly, and other times the CPU is just up and down all day

I'm begining to think i might need to rebuild some indexes, as there
are a few tables which have fairly heavy levels of delete and insert.

Do you think fragmente indexes could cause this sort of behaviour?

Thanks
Bert

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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-06 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Bert Dawson wrote:
> We're not using client variables (default storage in cfadmin=none,
> clientManagement="No", no DSNs are configured to use client variables,
> or have the tables in them).

Are you sure the username is the one that is used from CF then?


> How would you suggest i use a manual checkpoint? Just open up query
> analyser and run CHECKPOINT?

Yes.


> Also,  have just profiler again, over a period of about 10 minutes
> when there appeared to be no abnormal activity (according to CPU
> usage), and there are still times where the number of SQLtransactions
> appear v high (up to 9,000 in a second), so i'm begining to wonder if
> this level of SQLTransactions/second is unusual, or just normal
> activity...

I think it would be unusual


> 0-99 SQLtransactions/second: 650
> 100-999 SQLTransactions/sec: 19
> 1000-1999: 6
> 2000-2999: 4
> 3000-3999: 2
> 4000-4999: 3
> 5000-5999: 1
> 6000-6999: 3
> 7000-7999: 0
> 8000-8999: 2
> 9000-: 1
> 
> AFAIK the only thing happening to the dBs apart from getting hit by CF
> is a backup of the transaction logs every 10 minutes, and a full
> back-up every hour.

Do the periods of high activity coincide with the transaction log 
backups?

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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-06 Thread Bert Dawson
We're not using client variables (default storage in cfadmin=none,
clientManagement="No", no DSNs are configured to use client variables,
or have the tables in them).

How would you suggest i use a manual checkpoint? Just open up query
analyser and run CHECKPOINT? Or place it in the code somewhere?

Also,  have just profiler again, over a period of about 10 minutes
when there appeared to be no abnormal activity (according to CPU
usage), and there are still times where the number of SQLtransactions
appear v high (up to 9,000 in a second), so i'm begining to wonder if
this level of SQLTransactions/second is unusual, or just normal
activity...

0-99 SQLtransactions/second: 650
100-999 SQLTransactions/sec: 19
1000-1999: 6
2000-2999: 4
3000-3999: 2
4000-4999: 3
5000-5999: 1
6000-6999: 3
7000-7999: 0
8000-8999: 2
9000-: 1

AFAIK the only thing happening to the dBs apart from getting hit by CF
is a backup of the transaction logs every 10 minutes, and a full
back-up every hour.

Any ideas of where to look next? (The underlying probem i'm trying to
fix is jrpp.delayMs sometimes going through the roof for no apparent
reason, and i suspect the dB, or connections to it, is in someway
involved since the areas of the site which are more dB intensive are
hit harder by timeouts when there is a problem)

Thanks
Bert

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 22:03:15 +0100, Jochem van Dieten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bert Dawson wrote:
> > I've got a SQL server box that ticks along quite happily at about 15%
> > CPU, but occasionally goes up to around 40% and stays there for
> > anything up to a minute. During these peaks the jrpp.delayMs can start
> > to climb, up to from a few seconds up to hundreds of seconds. I also
> > start getting a few timeouts in the application log. (timeout is se to
> > 35 seconds)
> 
> Do you get the same behaviour when using a manual checkpoint?
> 
> 
> > I ran a SQL profile trace and spotted that during the peaks there were
> > massive numbers of "SQLTransaction entries": over a 2.5 minute period
> > there are ussually about 12 SQLTransactions per second, but this hit a
> > maximm of 16283, which sounds like a lot to me!
> 
> Are you using client variables?
> 
> Jochem
> 
> 

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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-03 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Bert Dawson wrote:
> I've got a SQL server box that ticks along quite happily at about 15%
> CPU, but occasionally goes up to around 40% and stays there for
> anything up to a minute. During these peaks the jrpp.delayMs can start
> to climb, up to from a few seconds up to hundreds of seconds. I also
> start getting a few timeouts in the application log. (timeout is se to
> 35 seconds)

Do you get the same behaviour when using a manual checkpoint?


> I ran a SQL profile trace and spotted that during the peaks there were
> massive numbers of "SQLTransaction entries": over a 2.5 minute period
> there are ussually about 12 SQLTransactions per second, but this hit a
> maximm of 16283, which sounds like a lot to me!

Are you using client variables?

Jochem

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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-03 Thread Bert Dawson
I do'n't know anything about the FTS service, and i don't knowingly
use it, so i've stopped it. But I doubt that was the cause as there
seemed to be no pattern to the "2 minutes @ 30%" periods.

Also, i suspect its something to do with CF since the loginname
reported in profiler is only used in the CF dsn. (i created a new user
today specially for CF so that i could eliminate the possibility that
someone or something else was causing the trouble.)

Any more ideas of things to look for?

Cheers
Bert


On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:06:52 -0500, Jerry Johnson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just as a guess, maybe a scheduled FTS catalog population?
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
> 
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/03/04 12:01PM >>>
> If anyone has any ideas what sort of thing could cause just a leap
> then i'd appreciate any input, or ideas of where to look next.
> 
> 
> 

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Re: OT: sql server: SQLTransaction

2004-12-03 Thread Jerry Johnson
Just as a guess, maybe a scheduled FTS catalog population?

Jerry

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If anyone has any ideas what sort of thing could cause just a leap
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Re: OT: Sql Server 2005 Express

2004-11-02 Thread Adam Haskell
No GUI is part of it but I couldn't connect to it and I found a work
around and didn't feel like messing with it. So I scrapped it :)


On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:44:00 -0800, Matt Robertson
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> Why?  Because there's no gui yet?
> 
> I'm setting up a new server this weekend and am planning on plugging
> in and playing with MSDE, which apparently has a GUI now and does not
> have the single-processor limit.  I have MSDE running elsewhere but as
> something plugged in by a 3rd-party app (LiveStats).  Never tried to
> use it in production.
> 
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Re: OT: Sql Server 2005 Express

2004-11-02 Thread Matt Robertson
Why?  Because there's no gui yet?

I'm setting up a new server this weekend and am planning on plugging
in and playing with MSDE, which apparently has a GUI now and does not
have the single-processor limit.  I have MSDE running elsewhere but as
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Re: OT: Sql Server 2005 Express

2004-11-01 Thread Adam Haskell
I scrapped it after about 5 minutes of use


On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:32:47 -0500, Michael T. Tangorre
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> Anyone download the SQL 2005 Express beta from MS yet? If so, where in the
> heck do you create a new DB? The new SQL Computer Manager is a bit
> confusing.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 
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Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
You should not experience any performance hit.

The only real downside is what Dave was talking about -- unless you 
have a good reason, why clutter up the database with an extra field and 
indexes -- the law of parsimony -- the simplest way is the best way.

But, if you *do* have a good reason (as Nick did) then I am all for 
breaking the rules, when justified.

Say, you have 3 dbs

	Customer

	Product

	ProductAndCustomer

ProductAndCustomer is an intersection of the other 2

	ProductAndCustomerID   PK Identity (autonumber)
 CustomerID FK
 ProductID  FK
	DateandTime	
	OtherIntersectionData

In our app, a customer can reorder a product many times so there can be 
many intersections for a given customer and product

The combo of CustomerID and ProductID can't be used for a PK as it is 
not unique.

We could use the timestamp as an uniquifer, but that's not a good 
choice.

Setting up a separate ID field makes good sense.

Further, when doing drill-downs, we can process the intersection 
records alone, or with one (or both) sides of the intersection.

Dick

On Mar 18, 2004, at 9:23 AM, Tangorre, Michael wrote:

> What are some of the downsides to this? Will I experience a 
> performance hit
>  should I use the additional key?
>
>  > Now, the above are valid reasons for including a separate key
>  > -- another might be that the T3 record contains intersection
>  > data, and/or it is sometimes meaningful to process this table
>  > by itself -- where the A & B fields are reference data only;
>
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RE: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael
What are some of the downsides to this? Will I experience a performance hit
should I use the additional key?

> Now, the above are valid reasons for including a separate key 
> -- another might be that the T3 record contains intersection 
> data, and/or it is sometimes meaningful to process this table 
> by itself -- where the A & B fields are reference data only;
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Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:25 AM, Nick de Voil wrote:

> Just to play devil's advocate and also enjoy the unusual experience of
>  disagreeing with Dave - your proposed approach of adding a surrogate 
> key is
>  our standard way of doing things. Even when the table is a simple
>  intersection table consisting of nothing but 2 foreign keys, we 
> always make
>  the primary key an IDENTITY/autoincrement field. We never use a 
> compound key
>  as the primary key (though of course we use them as secondary keys). 
> Why?
>  Because it maximizes the amount of our code (including our automated
>  ER-modelling-to-schema-generation app) that can work exactly the same 
> way
>  for different tables and even different applications. In conjunction 
> with
>  rigid standards for table & column naming, it adds up to more 
> productivity
>  in the long run.
>

Now, the above are valid reasons for including a separate key -- 
another might be that the T3 record contains intersection data, and/or 
it is sometimes meaningful to process this table by itself -- where the 
A & B fields are reference data only;

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RE: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Tom Kitta
I agree, we do the same thing here.

TK
  -Original Message-
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  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:26 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

  Just to play devil's advocate and also enjoy the unusual experience of
  disagreeing with Dave - your proposed approach of adding a surrogate key
is
  our standard way of doing things. Even when the table is a simple
  intersection table consisting of nothing but 2 foreign keys, we always
make
  the primary key an IDENTITY/autoincrement field. We never use a compound
key
  as the primary key (though of course we use them as secondary keys). Why?
  Because it maximizes the amount of our code (including our automated
  ER-modelling-to-schema-generation app) that can work exactly the same way
  for different tables and even different applications. In conjunction with
  rigid standards for table & column naming, it adds up to more productivity
  in the long run.

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Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Nick de Voil
Just to play devil's advocate and also enjoy the unusual experience of
disagreeing with Dave - your proposed approach of adding a surrogate key is
our standard way of doing things. Even when the table is a simple
intersection table consisting of nothing but 2 foreign keys, we always make
the primary key an IDENTITY/autoincrement field. We never use a compound key
as the primary key (though of course we use them as secondary keys). Why?
Because it maximizes the amount of our code (including our automated
ER-modelling-to-schema-generation app) that can work exactly the same way
for different tables and even different applications. In conjunction with
rigid standards for table & column naming, it adds up to more productivity
in the long run.

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Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
I tend to agree with Dave and opt for not adding Column C

If I understand, you want to deal with C as an abstraction  of the A-B 
relationship.  I can see how passing  C (instead of A & B) would 
simplify form handling.
But, you could pass AB just as easily as you can pass C.

I think introducing C in your joins will just complicate them further 
as you will *still* need to specify

  T1.a = T3.a AND T3.b = T2.b

relationship, somehow.

Your code and SQL will be harder to read, explain  and understand with 
this "C" thingie.

So, it appears to be a tradeoff:

  denormalize & added complexity vs convenience

IMO, it isn't worth it

HTH

Dick

On Mar 18, 2004, at 6:18 AM, Tangorre, Michael wrote:

> Basically, I only gave you a partial story.. The rest of it is that 
> the join
>  tables are used in other relationships and the where conditions and 
> join
>  conditions are getting sloppy. In addition, a lot of the front end 
> deals
>  with dynamic forms and passing around a handful of IDs is getting
>  cumbersome.
>
>  Does that tip the scale either way?
>
>  Mike
>
>  > So, C is an identity or autonumber field?
>  >
>  > I have seen/done this, but not for the reasons you state --
>  > could you expand on how using C would ease writing of the where 
> clause
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RE: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Basically, I only gave you a partial story.. The rest of it is that the join
tables are used in other relationships and the where conditions and join
conditions are getting sloppy. In addition, a lot of the front end deals
with dynamic forms and passing around a handful of IDs is getting
cumbersome.

Does that tip the scale either way?

Mike

> So, C is an identity or autonumber field?
> 
> I have seen/done this, but not for the reasons you state -- 
> could you expand on how using C would ease writing of the where clause
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RE: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Tony Weeg
yeah, the question is a bit vague   

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Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

On Mar 18, 2004, at 5:04 AM, Tangorre, Michael wrote:

> What is the proper, or preferred way of doing the following:
>
>
>  I have three tables:
>
>
>  T1 - PK A
>  T2 - PK B
>  T3 - PK AB (compound)
>
>
>  Is it acceptable to add column C to T3 and make that the PK, and then 
> add a  unique constraint to AB? This would ease writing in writing of 
> the WHERE  clauses when updating and deleting and such...
>
>
>  Thoughts?
>

So, C is an identity or autonumber field?

I have seen/done this, but not for the reasons you state -- could you expand
on how using C would ease writing of the where clause

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Re: OT: SQL Server Table Design Question

2004-03-18 Thread Dick Applebaum
On Mar 18, 2004, at 5:04 AM, Tangorre, Michael wrote:

> What is the proper, or preferred way of doing the following:
>
>
>  I have three tables:
>
>
>  T1 - PK A
>  T2 - PK B
>  T3 - PK AB (compound)
>
>
>  Is it acceptable to add column C to T3 and make that the PK, and then 
> add a
>  unique constraint to AB? This would ease writing in writing of the 
> WHERE
>  clauses when updating and deleting and such...
>
>
>  Thoughts?
>

So, C is an identity or autonumber field?

I have seen/done this, but not for the reasons you state -- could you 
expand on how using C would ease writing of the where clause

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RE: OT - SQL server 2000 - total number of objects in a DB

2003-01-28 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message-
> From: Andres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT - SQL server 2000 - total number of objects in a DB
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> How can i get a count of all indexes a database has? I have a 
> SQL 2000 server and need to get a count of various objects 
> (tables, indexes, triggers, view, SPs) Does anyone know of a 
> way to get these counts WITHOUT having to do it manually?

You can use SP_HELP DatabaseName to get almost all of this.

There are other system procedures for everything else... But I don't
know them off the top of my head.

Look in the books online and they'll all be there.

Jim Davis


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RE: OT - SQL server 2000 - total number of objects in a DB

2003-01-28 Thread Acantrell
You're supposed to use system functions or stored procedures to access this,
but check out the sysobjects table. You could write a count() query to get
what you need out of that. Otherwise look in the books-online under system
functions to do it the right way, I don't know if there's already a function
that will return the number of objects in a given DB.

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> 
> 
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> SQL 2000 server and need to get a count of various objects 
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> way to get these counts WITHOUT having to do it manually?
> 
> Thank you!
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RE: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Adams, Stephen
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Thanks Rizal, but the problem was caused by another field being to small,
not the three I originally thought.

Stephen

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Sent: 28 October 2002 15:42
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server database problem


Just another taught...
Using varchar instead of text as a datatype for this kind of data maybe 
helpful...

Rizal

At 10:21 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote:
>I think the error message is straight forward,
>that is you are trying to insert string that's longer than your datatype
>can handle.
>
>For example:
>Field: MessageTitle (16): You are trying to insert: "Some text to throw
>error" which has 24 characters.
>
>Try to increase the length of the field in your DB.
>
>HTH,
>Rizal


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Re: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Rizal Firmansyah
Just another taught...
Using varchar instead of text as a datatype for this kind of data maybe 
helpful...

Rizal

At 10:21 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote:
>I think the error message is straight forward,
>that is you are trying to insert string that's longer than your datatype
>can handle.
>
>For example:
>Field: MessageTitle (16): You are trying to insert: "Some text to throw
>error" which has 24 characters.
>
>Try to increase the length of the field in your DB.
>
>HTH,
>Rizal

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RE: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Adams, Stephen
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Alex thank you that was the cause of the problem.

Stephen

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: SQL Server database problem


You don;t need to trim these down to 16 chars as that isn't the max length
you can store in a SQL 'text' field - it's something like up to 2Gb of data
(on SQL2K) - even though the length says 16 on the table design (I think
this was discussed in a thread here 2 or 3 weeks ago) and changing this
length will make no difference. The SQL text field is like a memo field in
Access.

So with the data you are inputting to MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and
MessageBody you should have no problem.

You've not given the field length for the 'Status' column into which you;re
trying to insert
16 chars - could this be the problem ?

Alex

> -Original Message-
> From: John Morgan [mailto:gameczar@;zbzoom.net]
> Sent: 28 October 2002 15:14
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server database problem
> 
> 
> You should either trim the text being inserted using the left 
> function ...
> 
> EXAMPLE:
> 
> Left(form.MessageTeaser, 16 )
> 
> or you should expand the size of the field in the table. If 
> this is data 
> input via a form you could use the size option in the input 
> tag to enforce 
> the size restriction but I would still trim the data with the 
> left function 
> for safety sake.
> 
> EXAMPLE:
> 
> 
> 
> -John-
> 
> At 02:58 PM 10/28/2002 +, you wrote:
> >*
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> >Hi,
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> >I have a SQL Server 7 database and I am trying to insert a 
> large amount of
> >text, passed by a ColdFusion form, into a table within this database.
> >
> >The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 
> (String data right
> >truncation)" error.
> >My table design is like this.
> > Column name DatatypeLength
> > MessageID   int 4
> > MessageType char20
> > Department  char20
> > CreationDatechar15
> > PublicationDate char15
> > MessageTitletext16
> > MessageTeaser   text16
> > MessageBody text16
> >I think that the problem is when the text is being added to 
> the fields,
> >MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.
> >This is the complete error message:
> >
> >ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right truncation)
> >[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]String or 
> binary data would
> >be truncated.
> >SQL = "INSERT INTO Messages ( MessageType, Department, CreationDate,
> >PublicationDate, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser, MessageBody, 
> Status ) VALUES (
> >'None', 'Housing', '28/10/2002', 'Awaiting', 'Some text to 
> throw error',
> >'Some text to throw error, Some text to throw error', 'Some 
> text to throw
> >error,Some text to throw error and Some text to throw 
> error', 'Awating
> >Approval' )"
> >Data Source = "WIRE_USERS"
> >The error occurred while processing an element with a 
> general identifier of
> >(CFQUERY), occupying document position (24:1) to (24:57) in 
> the template
> >file E:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\WIRE\MESSAGES\SENDFORAPPROVAL.CFM.
> >Anyone know how I can fix this error?
> >Thanks
> >Stephen
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RE: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread John Morgan
Are you sure that the fields you think are the problem really are. Try 
doing the insert with short strings for the fields in question and see if 
you still get the error.

-John-

At 03:16 PM 10/28/2002 +, you wrote:
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>O.K I have increased the "length" of these three fields to 100, 150 and 500
>respectively, but still I get the 22001 error.
>
>-Original Message-
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>Sent: 28 October 2002 15:05
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server database problem
>
>
>Quoting "Adams, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data
> > right truncation)" error.
> > My table design is like this.
> >   Column name DatatypeLength
> >   MessageID   int 4
> >   MessageType char20
> >   Department  char20
> >   CreationDatechar15
> >   PublicationDate char15
> >   MessageTitletext16
> >   MessageTeaser   text16
> >   MessageBody text16
> > I think that the problem is when the text is being added to the
> > fields, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.
>
>'Some text to throw error' is indeed longer as 16 characters. Not
>entirely unexpected behaviour, isn't it?
>
>Jochem
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RE: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread A.Little
You don;t need to trim these down to 16 chars as that isn't the max length
you can store in a SQL 'text' field - it's something like up to 2Gb of data
(on SQL2K) - even though the length says 16 on the table design (I think
this was discussed in a thread here 2 or 3 weeks ago) and changing this
length will make no difference. The SQL text field is like a memo field in
Access.

So with the data you are inputting to MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and
MessageBody you should have no problem.

You've not given the field length for the 'Status' column into which you;re
trying to insert
16 chars - could this be the problem ?

Alex

> -Original Message-
> From: John Morgan [mailto:gameczar@;zbzoom.net]
> Sent: 28 October 2002 15:14
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server database problem
> 
> 
> You should either trim the text being inserted using the left 
> function ...
> 
> EXAMPLE:
> 
> Left(form.MessageTeaser, 16 )
> 
> or you should expand the size of the field in the table. If 
> this is data 
> input via a form you could use the size option in the input 
> tag to enforce 
> the size restriction but I would still trim the data with the 
> left function 
> for safety sake.
> 
> EXAMPLE:
> 
> 
> 
> -John-
> 
> At 02:58 PM 10/28/2002 +, you wrote:
> >*
> *
> >WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL
> >Please refer to the disclaimer beneath this message
> >*
> *
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >I have a SQL Server 7 database and I am trying to insert a 
> large amount of
> >text, passed by a ColdFusion form, into a table within this database.
> >
> >The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 
> (String data right
> >truncation)" error.
> >My table design is like this.
> > Column name DatatypeLength
> > MessageID   int 4
> > MessageType char20
> > Department  char20
> > CreationDatechar15
> > PublicationDate char15
> > MessageTitletext16
> > MessageTeaser   text16
> > MessageBody text16
> >I think that the problem is when the text is being added to 
> the fields,
> >MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.
> >This is the complete error message:
> >
> >ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right truncation)
> >[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]String or 
> binary data would
> >be truncated.
> >SQL = "INSERT INTO Messages ( MessageType, Department, CreationDate,
> >PublicationDate, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser, MessageBody, 
> Status ) VALUES (
> >'None', 'Housing', '28/10/2002', 'Awaiting', 'Some text to 
> throw error',
> >'Some text to throw error, Some text to throw error', 'Some 
> text to throw
> >error,Some text to throw error and Some text to throw 
> error', 'Awating
> >Approval' )"
> >Data Source = "WIRE_USERS"
> >The error occurred while processing an element with a 
> general identifier of
> >(CFQUERY), occupying document position (24:1) to (24:57) in 
> the template
> >file E:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\WIRE\MESSAGES\SENDFORAPPROVAL.CFM.
> >Anyone know how I can fix this error?
> >Thanks
> >Stephen
> >
> >
> >
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Re: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Rizal Firmansyah
I think the error message is straight forward,
that is you are trying to insert string that's longer than your datatype 
can handle.

For example:
Field: MessageTitle (16): You are trying to insert: "Some text to throw 
error" which has 24 characters.

Try to increase the length of the field in your DB.

HTH,
Rizal


At 09:58 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote:
>**
>WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL
>Please refer to the disclaimer beneath this message
>**
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a SQL Server 7 database and I am trying to insert a large amount of
>text, passed by a ColdFusion form, into a table within this database.
>
>The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right
>truncation)" error.
>My table design is like this.
> Column name DatatypeLength
> MessageID   int 4
> MessageType char20
> Department  char20
> CreationDatechar15
> PublicationDate char15
> MessageTitletext16
> MessageTeaser   text16
> MessageBody text16
>I think that the problem is when the text is being added to the fields,
>MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.
>This is the complete error message:
>
>ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right truncation)
>[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]String or binary data would
>be truncated.
>SQL = "INSERT INTO Messages ( MessageType, Department, CreationDate,
>PublicationDate, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser, MessageBody, Status ) VALUES (
>'None', 'Housing', '28/10/2002', 'Awaiting', 'Some text to throw error',
>'Some text to throw error, Some text to throw error', 'Some text to throw
>error,Some text to throw error and Some text to throw error', 'Awating
>Approval' )"
>Data Source = "WIRE_USERS"
>The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of
>(CFQUERY), occupying document position (24:1) to (24:57) in the template
>file E:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\WIRE\MESSAGES\SENDFORAPPROVAL.CFM.
>Anyone know how I can fix this error?
>Thanks
>Stephen
>
>
>
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RE: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Adams, Stephen
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O.K I have increased the "length" of these three fields to 100, 150 and 500
respectively, but still I get the 22001 error. 

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:jochemd@;oli.tudelft.nl]
Sent: 28 October 2002 15:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: SQL Server database problem


Quoting "Adams, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data
> right truncation)" error.
> My table design is like this.
>   Column name DatatypeLength
>   MessageID   int 4
>   MessageType char20
>   Department  char20
>   CreationDatechar15
>   PublicationDate char15
>   MessageTitletext16
>   MessageTeaser   text16
>   MessageBody text16
> I think that the problem is when the text is being added to the
> fields, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.

'Some text to throw error' is indeed longer as 16 characters. Not
entirely unexpected behaviour, isn't it?

Jochem

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Re: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread John Morgan
You should either trim the text being inserted using the left function ...

EXAMPLE:

Left(form.MessageTeaser, 16 )

or you should expand the size of the field in the table. If this is data 
input via a form you could use the size option in the input tag to enforce 
the size restriction but I would still trim the data with the left function 
for safety sake.

EXAMPLE:



-John-

At 02:58 PM 10/28/2002 +, you wrote:
>**
>WESTMINSTER CITY COUNCIL
>Please refer to the disclaimer beneath this message
>**
>
>Hi,
>
>I have a SQL Server 7 database and I am trying to insert a large amount of
>text, passed by a ColdFusion form, into a table within this database.
>
>The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right
>truncation)" error.
>My table design is like this.
> Column name DatatypeLength
> MessageID   int 4
> MessageType char20
> Department  char20
> CreationDatechar15
> PublicationDate char15
> MessageTitletext16
> MessageTeaser   text16
> MessageBody text16
>I think that the problem is when the text is being added to the fields,
>MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.
>This is the complete error message:
>
>ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data right truncation)
>[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][SQL Server]String or binary data would
>be truncated.
>SQL = "INSERT INTO Messages ( MessageType, Department, CreationDate,
>PublicationDate, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser, MessageBody, Status ) VALUES (
>'None', 'Housing', '28/10/2002', 'Awaiting', 'Some text to throw error',
>'Some text to throw error, Some text to throw error', 'Some text to throw
>error,Some text to throw error and Some text to throw error', 'Awating
>Approval' )"
>Data Source = "WIRE_USERS"
>The error occurred while processing an element with a general identifier of
>(CFQUERY), occupying document position (24:1) to (24:57) in the template
>file E:\INETPUB\WWWROOT\WIRE\MESSAGES\SENDFORAPPROVAL.CFM.
>Anyone know how I can fix this error?
>Thanks
>Stephen
>
>
>
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Re: OT: SQL Server database problem

2002-10-28 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Quoting "Adams, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> The problem I am having is a "ODBC Error Code = 22001 (String data
> right truncation)" error.
> My table design is like this.
>   Column name DatatypeLength
>   MessageID   int 4
>   MessageType char20
>   Department  char20
>   CreationDatechar15
>   PublicationDate char15
>   MessageTitletext16
>   MessageTeaser   text16
>   MessageBody text16
> I think that the problem is when the text is being added to the
> fields, MessageTitle, MessageTeaser and MessageBody.

'Some text to throw error' is indeed longer as 16 characters. Not
entirely unexpected behaviour, isn't it?

Jochem
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Re: OT: SQL Server text vs. ntext

2002-10-06 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

Thanks Jochem,

I took a closer look at the documentation for SQL Server 2000 and it gives
2^30 -1 (1,xxx,xxx,xxx) as the maximum length for an ntext field...

So ... considering that the entire file performing the insertion of data
into this table is no more than 5k I'm suspect that there's something else
going on here...

I can't for the life of me figure out what tho... All of the column lengths
defined in the original db are the same as defined in the new db ( maybe I
should double them since I'm using nvarchar instead of varchar now ) ...

but the only other nvarchar fields in the table have character lengths of
255 and 7 and are receiving data that is 20-25 and 0 characters respectively
..


Isaac
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

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> S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
>> I have a db where I had been using a text field and I'm
>> converting it to an
>> ntext field so that the db can potentially support
>> unicode at a much later
>> date.
>>
>> The problem I'm having is this: I'm not just opening the
>> db and changing the
>> field to ntext, I created a new db and created the new
>> table with ntext and
>> am importing the data from the original db using a query.
>> On one record in
>> particular, I get a right-data truncation error. Do text
>> and ntext fields
>> not have the same maximum length? Is the size of the data
>> more limited in an
>> ntext field as a result of using a larger number to
>> represent each
>> character?

> Max lengths of fields is implementation defined, but
> usually the length
> in characters is for ntext is half that of text (wil
> result in the same
> length in bytes is a 2-byte form-of-use).
> To figure out what is exactly going one, try to compare
> the results of
> the character_length() function (number of characters)
> with the results
> of the octet_length() function (number of bytes). (Those
> are the
> official names, your database might have named them
> differently.)

> Jochem

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Re: OT: SQL Server text vs. ntext

2002-10-06 Thread Jochem van Dieten

S. Isaac Dealey wrote:
> I have a db where I had been using a text field and I'm converting it to an
> ntext field so that the db can potentially support unicode at a much later
> date.
> 
> The problem I'm having is this: I'm not just opening the db and changing the
> field to ntext, I created a new db and created the new table with ntext and
> am importing the data from the original db using a query. On one record in
> particular, I get a right-data truncation error. Do text and ntext fields
> not have the same maximum length? Is the size of the data more limited in an
> ntext field as a result of using a larger number to represent each
> character?

Max lengths of fields is implementation defined, but usually the length 
in characters is for ntext is half that of text (wil result in the same 
length in bytes is a 2-byte form-of-use).
To figure out what is exactly going one, try to compare the results of 
the character_length() function (number of characters) with the results 
of the octet_length() function (number of bytes). (Those are the 
official names, your database might have named them differently.)

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Re: OT : SQL Server Bulk Copy

2002-09-19 Thread Joe Eugene

You can use SQL Server DTS to write the file and you can also execute
the DTS using "xp_cmdshell" extended stored procedure.

Joe

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>Subject: OT : SQL Server Bulk Copy Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:59:58 -0400
>
>Can anyone on the list who's familiar with BCP for SQL Server 2000 point me
>in the direction of some documentation or an article which explains how to
>write data to a file from within query analyzer? We have a project which
>will require writing data to a file from a scheduled DTS task on the sql
>server machine, which is separate from the cf server, so I can't use
> to access BCP.exe via a command line.
>
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Stephen Hait

Dave Watts wrote: 
> There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a
> one-time thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can
> simply copy the database and log files to the new server, and use
> sp_attach_db to attach each to the new server. 

Another alternative if you don't need to move the log files is to 
look into the command (see Books Online for syntax):
sp_attach_single_file_db

This allows you to attach just using the .MDF file.

Stephen

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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Joshua Tipton

To backup all databases use a database maintenance plan to backup them
up to the local server then have it run a script on completion to copy
the files to the other server then when that job is finished have it run
the restore of the databases.

Joshua Tipton

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 7:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

> Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
> restore them on a separate Machine?
>
> ...
>
> I have SQL server 2K
> 
> and thiry + databases ...
> 
> I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is 
> a bulk backup of the entire server.

There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a
one-time
thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can simply copy
the
database and log files to the new server, and use sp_attach_db to attach
each to the new server. Alternatively, you can use T-SQL to automate the
backup and restore process; on the source database server, run the
BACKUP
DATABASE command through any database. OSQL is a handy command-line
client
for doing this sort of stuff. Since you want to backup the entire
server,
you'll probably want to write a T-SQL batch to query the master database
to
find out about each database, then loop over that information. I'll bet
you
can find a useful script for that here:

http://www.swynk.com/sqlscripts/backuprest7.asp

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Dave Watts

> Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
> restore them on a separate Machine?
>
> ...
>
> I have SQL server 2K
> 
> and thiry + databases ...
> 
> I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is 
> a bulk backup of the entire server.

There are a couple of options that might work for you. If this is a one-time
thing, and you can stop the source database server, you can simply copy the
database and log files to the new server, and use sp_attach_db to attach
each to the new server. Alternatively, you can use T-SQL to automate the
backup and restore process; on the source database server, run the BACKUP
DATABASE command through any database. OSQL is a handy command-line client
for doing this sort of stuff. Since you want to backup the entire server,
you'll probably want to write a T-SQL batch to query the master database to
find out about each database, then loop over that information. I'll bet you
can find a useful script for that here:

http://www.swynk.com/sqlscripts/backuprest7.asp

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread Jim Curran

I have SQL server 2K

and thiry + databases ...

I know how to backup each one, but was wondering if there is a bulk backup
of the entire server.

- j

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> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 12:24 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT SQL SERVER Backup
>
>
> Which version of SQL Server...SQL2000 has a copy database wizard that can
> create a DTS package that you can save and run later.
>
> At 08:54 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and
> restore them on
> >a separate Machine?
> >
> >- j
> >
> >
> >
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Re: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-15 Thread nagraj

Hi Jim,

Yes.Go to Enterprise Manager

Select the database-->Right Click
-->All Tasks
-->Backup

Select Database - Complete.

Add Destination ( where the back up file to be taken)

Click Ok.

The Backup is created on file selected for backup


In Options Tab See that the Following are checked.

Verify Backup Upon Completion.(It will ensure after backup is completed
successfully).

Regards
Nagaraj.

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Subject: OT SQL SERVER Backup


> Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and restore them
on
> a separate Machine?
>
> - j
>
>
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Re: OT SQL SERVER Backup

2002-06-14 Thread Marlon Moyer

Which version of SQL Server...SQL2000 has a copy database wizard that can 
create a DTS package that you can save and run later.

At 08:54 PM 6/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Is there an easy way to back up all the SQL server DB's and restore them on
>a separate Machine?
>
>- j
>
>
>
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RE: OT: SQL Server Connection

2002-04-03 Thread Thanh Nguyen

Nope, don't have public IP.


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Olive [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: SQL Server Connection


does the database server have a publicly acessible IP address?  if so, just
crate the ODBC source on the ISP for the site, and point it to that IP.

christopher olive
cto, vp of web development, vp it security
atnet solutions, inc.
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-Original Message-
From: Thanh Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FW: OT: SQL Server Connection


 
Hi all,
 
I have a website that's accessing a sql database on the same network.
Starting next week, I'd have to move my website to an ISP. 
My Question is how should I set up the connection to my SQL server database
which will stay in-house?  I can't'move the database because we also have
other in-house applications connecting to the same database. 
 
What's the best way to do this?
Should I create a duplicate database on the ISP server just for the website.
and sync it with our main database here? any potential problems with doing
this?
 
Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.



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RE: OT: SQL Server Connection

2002-04-03 Thread Christopher Olive

does the database server have a publicly acessible IP address?  if so, just crate the 
ODBC source on the ISP for the site, and point it to that IP.

christopher olive
cto, vp of web development, vp it security
atnet solutions, inc.
410.931.4092
http://www.atnetsolutions.com


-Original Message-
From: Thanh Nguyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: FW: OT: SQL Server Connection


 
Hi all,
 
I have a website that's accessing a sql database on the same network.
Starting next week, I'd have to move my website to an ISP. 
My Question is how should I set up the connection to my SQL server database
which will stay in-house?  I can't'move the database because we also have
other in-house applications connecting to the same database. 
 
What's the best way to do this?
Should I create a duplicate database on the ISP server just for the website.
and sync it with our main database here? any potential problems with doing
this?
 
Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Thanks.


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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG

Using Enterprise manager you can right click on the DB and choose "genera
te
SQL scripts" - it will automatically generate a create script for all or
part of the DB, including views and indexes. Or.. you can choose the
"diagram" icon and build a nice visual view.  You can do everything in
design view including managing constraints and changing data fields.  I h
ave
used Design view to diagram MySQL databases in the past (by running a DTS
import, then arranging the tables) - just so I can have a visual print ou
t
to work with. One more way is using the "object viewer" in the query
anaylyzer (F8).  Right click on a table and choose - generate script as
"create". Good luck

Mark

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From: Andy Parry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:13 PM
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Subject: RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema


You can do a join on sysobjects and syscolumns tables in your DB and get 
the
data that way also.

andy

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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Joshua Tipton

SP_HELPDB EXTENDED STORED PROCEDURE.  

-Original Message-
From: Owens, Howard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 7:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

Cool.  I just discovered the answer to my own question. And in case you
haven't figured this out ... I'll tell you want I did.

I opened the database design view, click in one of the field names, 
then did
a select all (ctl-a), then copied, then pasted into an Excel 
spreadsheet.
Worked perfect.

H.



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> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:07 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema
> 
> Is there a way I can get a text file or print out of all of the 
tables,
> along with column names, datatypes and sizes, in MSSQL Server 2000?
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> 
> Howard Owens
> Internet Operations Coordinator
> www.insidevc.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM: GoCatGo1956
> 
> 


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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Andy Parry

You can do a join on sysobjects and syscolumns tables in your DB and get the
data that way also.

andy
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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Owens, Howard

Cool.  I just discovered the answer to my own question. And in case you
haven't figured this out ... I'll tell you want I did.

I opened the database design view, click in one of the field names, 
then did
a select all (ctl-a), then copied, then pasted into an Excel 
spreadsheet.
Worked perfect.

H.



Howard Owens
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www.insidevc.com
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AIM: GoCatGo1956


> -Original Message-
> From: Owens, Howard [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:07 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema
> 
> Is there a way I can get a text file or print out of all of the 
tables,
> along with column names, datatypes and sizes, in MSSQL Server 2000?
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> 
> Howard Owens
> Internet Operations Coordinator
> www.insidevc.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> AIM: GoCatGo1956
> 
> 

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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Haggerty

www.swynk.com

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Subject: RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema


Is there a way I can get a text file or print out of all of the tables,
along with column names, datatypes and sizes, in MSSQL Server 2000?

H.



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RE: (OT) SQL Server Schema

2002-01-30 Thread Owens, Howard

Is there a way I can get a text file or print out of all of the tables,
along with column names, datatypes and sizes, in MSSQL Server 2000?

H.



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Re: OT: SQL Server 7, Windows 95 and Service Manager

2001-07-25 Thread Stephen Hait

On Win98, I have a shortcut in the startup folder:
:\MSSQL7\Binn\scm.exe -Action 1 -Silent 1

Stephen

> In Windows 95, how do you change the account the Service Manager
> uses to try and start SQL Server on boot up, bearing in mind there
> is no Services option (as is the case with NT)?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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