Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
I've recently been wondering about this. I'd say that I'm coming out of a burnout period that I've been in for at least the last few months. Also, reading things like hacker news gives me this feeling that I'm not doing enough with my time -- which adds to the weight that I already feel on my shoulders. Lately, I have been coming out of this slump and have begun looking at work as fun again instead of as a chore. Of course there are still chore aspects but overall it's become very enjoyable. I don't receive any moral support from friends or family since they are not familiar with programming and most of them aren't tech savvy. I've recently made some life style changes which might have contributed to my personal turn around. My primary life style change is sleep. Instead of treating sleep as a luxury that I can skimp on -- I have given it equal importance to eating healthy and exercise. I used to stay up late after a long day of work to catch up on all of the fun/interesting things that continue to be developed in this field. After all, that is part of why I enjoy this line of work. But now I limit that activity to go no later than 10pm. I've also relaxed on the drinking. While alcohol can help you fall asleep, I believe the quality of sleep you have is greatly diminished. Now I'm an early-to-bed / early-to-rise type which is a huge change for me. I find myself excited to start the day and am more productive at work. The curiosity, creativity, and motivation has returned. :-) Allen On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:34 PM, AtKaaZ wrote: > Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? > How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to > program? What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround > yourself with or the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously > motivate you? What if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > > Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > Thanks. > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
My life is mostly about music and playing with structure. Programming falls into the second category. Right now, I'm having difficulty getting a job since it's much more fun to play the violin and program than to apply for jobs. If I were to get a programming job where I were to do mundane tasks in a programming language I disliked, I would probably do it for the money. For a while, at least. On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:18 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: > > Thanks a funny piece, although I'd debate his self-deserving description > of "best minds". People who cannot distinguish between important and > well-paid are not the best minds. > > Phil > > Armando Blancas writes: > > > Zack, you've probably come across this profile on Jeff Hammerbacher, but > > just in case. > > > > "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people > > click ads," he says. "That sucks." > > > > > http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/55578-this-tech-bubble-is-different > > > > On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:03:10 PM UTC-7, Zack Maril wrote: > >> > >> One of the reasons I program is because I'm furious. > >> > >> By most accepted metrics, I went to one of the best technical public > high > >> schools in the country. I was average there and I was taking graph > theory > >> and multivariable calculus as a senior my last semester. The smart kids > >> though? They were doing real analysis, topology, and winning > international > >> competitions for mathematics and science. I'm just finishing up college > now > >> and I'm watching the geniuses from my high school go from MIT and > Stanford > >> to high frequency trading firms or work for places like palantir and > >> facebook. They're using their gifts to remove liquidity from the > >> markets[0], to help fight wars based on lies[1], and to maximize the > amount > >> of money they can sell my privacy for[2]. Most of them use programming > to > >> indirectly decrease the quality of my life. I'd love it if I could > invest > >> money without fear of the markets going crazy because of a tweet[3], if > I > >> could support the government without worrying about them killing > innocent > >> citizens[4], and if I could connect with my friends and family without > >> worrying about my privacy being sold to the highest bidder. My former > >> classmates are and will be using computers to indirectly prevent me from > >> doing the above with any sort of peace of mind. It is infuriating. > >> > >> When I sit down to program, I now make a conscious effort to build tools > >> that I can use in the future to fight against the trends above. I use > >> Clojure because it's the language I've been able to get the most done in > >> the shortest amount of time. If there were a language that let me do as > >> much as fast, I'd drop Clojure like a rock and learn that. If I want to > >> stem the negative effects the geniuses are having on my life, I'll need > to > >> use the best tools possible. That means constantly learning more > powerful > >> concepts and building better tools. I've been on a graph theory and > network > >> science kick lately because I noticed that google, palantir, and > facebook > >> got where they are by virtue of being really good at graph theory. The > >> concepts are crazy powerful and provide immense power to the people who > can > >> successfully employ them. > >> > >> So, when I sit down to work on certain projects, the main motivating > >> factor for me is that I'm furious that my classmates are worsening my > life. > >> There's a ton of work that I need to do before I can do anything about > it > >> though. I'm obviously on a futile crusade fueled by my youth and > naiveté, > >> but for the moment, that's why I program. > >> -Zack > >> > >> [0] http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4136.html > >> [1] http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/the-great-degrader/ > >> [2] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms > >> [3] > >> > http://seekingalpha.com/article/1362731-obama-is-dead-tweet-makes-for-flash-crash > >> [4] > >> > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-drones-policy-obama-koh-20130513,0,4160911.story > >> > >> On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:35:33 PM UTC+4, Erlis Vidal wrote: > >>> > >>> Let me share this tale with you guys, hope you like it as much as I do: > >>> > >>> It is said that Socrates met a worker who asked: what are you doing > good > >>> man? "Don't you see I'm cutting a stone to earn my salary and so I can > >>> eat" the worker replied. He moved on and later found another worker > >>> questioning the same way as the previous one, he replied "I'm building > a > >>> wall," continued Socrates finding their way to a third worker, also > >>> questioning, the answer was "I'm building a beautiful palace " > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Baldridge >wrote: > >>> > I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I > have to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, > actual
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Thanks a funny piece, although I'd debate his self-deserving description of "best minds". People who cannot distinguish between important and well-paid are not the best minds. Phil Armando Blancas writes: > Zack, you've probably come across this profile on Jeff Hammerbacher, but > just in case. > > "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people > click ads," he says. "That sucks." > > http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/55578-this-tech-bubble-is-different > > On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:03:10 PM UTC-7, Zack Maril wrote: >> >> One of the reasons I program is because I'm furious. >> >> By most accepted metrics, I went to one of the best technical public high >> schools in the country. I was average there and I was taking graph theory >> and multivariable calculus as a senior my last semester. The smart kids >> though? They were doing real analysis, topology, and winning international >> competitions for mathematics and science. I'm just finishing up college now >> and I'm watching the geniuses from my high school go from MIT and Stanford >> to high frequency trading firms or work for places like palantir and >> facebook. They're using their gifts to remove liquidity from the >> markets[0], to help fight wars based on lies[1], and to maximize the amount >> of money they can sell my privacy for[2]. Most of them use programming to >> indirectly decrease the quality of my life. I'd love it if I could invest >> money without fear of the markets going crazy because of a tweet[3], if I >> could support the government without worrying about them killing innocent >> citizens[4], and if I could connect with my friends and family without >> worrying about my privacy being sold to the highest bidder. My former >> classmates are and will be using computers to indirectly prevent me from >> doing the above with any sort of peace of mind. It is infuriating. >> >> When I sit down to program, I now make a conscious effort to build tools >> that I can use in the future to fight against the trends above. I use >> Clojure because it's the language I've been able to get the most done in >> the shortest amount of time. If there were a language that let me do as >> much as fast, I'd drop Clojure like a rock and learn that. If I want to >> stem the negative effects the geniuses are having on my life, I'll need to >> use the best tools possible. That means constantly learning more powerful >> concepts and building better tools. I've been on a graph theory and network >> science kick lately because I noticed that google, palantir, and facebook >> got where they are by virtue of being really good at graph theory. The >> concepts are crazy powerful and provide immense power to the people who can >> successfully employ them. >> >> So, when I sit down to work on certain projects, the main motivating >> factor for me is that I'm furious that my classmates are worsening my life. >> There's a ton of work that I need to do before I can do anything about it >> though. I'm obviously on a futile crusade fueled by my youth and naiveté, >> but for the moment, that's why I program. >> -Zack >> >> [0] http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4136.html >> [1] http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/the-great-degrader/ >> [2] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms >> [3] >> http://seekingalpha.com/article/1362731-obama-is-dead-tweet-makes-for-flash-crash >> [4] >> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-drones-policy-obama-koh-20130513,0,4160911.story >> >> On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:35:33 PM UTC+4, Erlis Vidal wrote: >>> >>> Let me share this tale with you guys, hope you like it as much as I do: >>> >>> It is said that Socrates met a worker who asked: what are you doing good >>> man? "Don't you see I'm cutting a stone to earn my salary and so I can >>> eat" the worker replied. He moved on and later found another worker >>> questioning the same way as the previous one, he replied "I'm building a >>> wall," continued Socrates finding their way to a third worker, also >>> questioning, the answer was "I'm building a beautiful palace " >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Baldridge >>> wrote: >>> I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I have to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, actually writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask my parents when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room without a computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to get the thoughts down. So I guess you could say I'm an addict. Timothy Baldridge On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises wrote: > > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me > personally > > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes > > programming worth doing in the firs
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Zack Maril writes: > I'm obviously on a futile crusade fueled by my youth and naiveté, > but for the moment, that's why I program. Yes, you are. Long may it last, and good luck to you! Phil -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Zack, you've probably come across this profile on Jeff Hammerbacher, but just in case. "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads," he says. "That sucks." http://www.businessweek.com/printer/articles/55578-this-tech-bubble-is-different On Monday, May 13, 2013 2:03:10 PM UTC-7, Zack Maril wrote: > > One of the reasons I program is because I'm furious. > > By most accepted metrics, I went to one of the best technical public high > schools in the country. I was average there and I was taking graph theory > and multivariable calculus as a senior my last semester. The smart kids > though? They were doing real analysis, topology, and winning international > competitions for mathematics and science. I'm just finishing up college now > and I'm watching the geniuses from my high school go from MIT and Stanford > to high frequency trading firms or work for places like palantir and > facebook. They're using their gifts to remove liquidity from the > markets[0], to help fight wars based on lies[1], and to maximize the amount > of money they can sell my privacy for[2]. Most of them use programming to > indirectly decrease the quality of my life. I'd love it if I could invest > money without fear of the markets going crazy because of a tweet[3], if I > could support the government without worrying about them killing innocent > citizens[4], and if I could connect with my friends and family without > worrying about my privacy being sold to the highest bidder. My former > classmates are and will be using computers to indirectly prevent me from > doing the above with any sort of peace of mind. It is infuriating. > > When I sit down to program, I now make a conscious effort to build tools > that I can use in the future to fight against the trends above. I use > Clojure because it's the language I've been able to get the most done in > the shortest amount of time. If there were a language that let me do as > much as fast, I'd drop Clojure like a rock and learn that. If I want to > stem the negative effects the geniuses are having on my life, I'll need to > use the best tools possible. That means constantly learning more powerful > concepts and building better tools. I've been on a graph theory and network > science kick lately because I noticed that google, palantir, and facebook > got where they are by virtue of being really good at graph theory. The > concepts are crazy powerful and provide immense power to the people who can > successfully employ them. > > So, when I sit down to work on certain projects, the main motivating > factor for me is that I'm furious that my classmates are worsening my life. > There's a ton of work that I need to do before I can do anything about it > though. I'm obviously on a futile crusade fueled by my youth and naiveté, > but for the moment, that's why I program. > -Zack > > [0] http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4136.html > [1] http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/the-great-degrader/ > [2] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms > [3] > http://seekingalpha.com/article/1362731-obama-is-dead-tweet-makes-for-flash-crash > [4] > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-drones-policy-obama-koh-20130513,0,4160911.story > > On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:35:33 PM UTC+4, Erlis Vidal wrote: >> >> Let me share this tale with you guys, hope you like it as much as I do: >> >> It is said that Socrates met a worker who asked: what are you doing good >> man? "Don't you see I'm cutting a stone to earn my salary and so I can >> eat" the worker replied. He moved on and later found another worker >> questioning the same way as the previous one, he replied "I'm building a >> wall," continued Socrates finding their way to a third worker, also >> questioning, the answer was "I'm building a beautiful palace " >> >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Baldridge wrote: >> >>> I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I >>> have to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, >>> actually writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask >>> my parents when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room >>> without a computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to >>> get the thoughts down. >>> >>> So I guess you could say I'm an addict. >>> >>> Timothy Baldridge >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises wrote: >>> > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes > programming worth doing in the first place. This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping others
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
2013/5/12 AtKaaZ > How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to > program? What motivates you to do it? When it comes to work projects, I am personally motivated by building something useful and making a good living out of it. The process of programming is fairly interesting to me, but not all of the time. When it comes to open source, I almost always work on something because I am * Really annoyed or infuriated by something * Really interested in something So, have an enemy [1]. This is how ClojureWerkz and http://clojure-doc.org were started: I was really unhappy about the state of some libraries and the attitude towards documentation in the Clojure community. As time goes, seeing how other people use your projects becomes another important reason to continue working on OSS. Finally, there aren't many ways to get your name known in the technical community if you are not based in an area with an active technology community (Bay area, NYC, London, Berlin, etc) and did not attend a fancy school. Open source and other side-projects is pretty much the only way. 1. http://gettingreal.37signals.com/ch02_Have_an_Enemy.php -- MK http://github.com/michaelklishin http://twitter.com/michaelklishin -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
+1 :) > I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I have > to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, actually > writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask my parents > when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room without a > computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to get the > thoughts down. > > So I guess you could say I'm an addict. > > Timothy Baldridge > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises wrote: > > > > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally > > > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes > > > programming worth doing in the first place. > > > > This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions > > (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? > > what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting > > better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping > > others. I normally direct people to Advice to Aimless, Excited > > Programmers (http://prog21.dadgum.com/80.html). For those who'd rather > > read the rest of this email, the tl;dr version is: got scratch your > > own itch, you might be building an itch-scratcher for others. > > > > The real question now becomes (at least for me): how do you know when > > an itch is worth scratching? how do you know it's a shared itch? > > > > I've seen more experienced programmers immediately recognise what'd be > > useful at large and what wouldn't (when I presented them with a couple > > "itches" of my own.) Interestingly enough, my judgement didn't > > necessarily coincide with theirs. > > > > Code to scratch your own itch? Sure, that's great. Code to scratch a > > shared itch? Even better. But how do you know which is which? > > > > U > > > > -- > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Clojure" group. > > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > > your first post. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Clojure" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > > > > -- > “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was > > > that–lacking > zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C > programs.” > (Robert Firth) > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Softaddicts sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
One of the reasons I program is because I'm furious. By most accepted metrics, I went to one of the best technical public high schools in the country. I was average there and I was taking graph theory and multivariable calculus as a senior my last semester. The smart kids though? They were doing real analysis, topology, and winning international competitions for mathematics and science. I'm just finishing up college now and I'm watching the geniuses from my high school go from MIT and Stanford to high frequency trading firms or work for places like palantir and facebook. They're using their gifts to remove liquidity from the markets[0], to help fight wars based on lies[1], and to maximize the amount of money they can sell my privacy for[2]. Most of them use programming to indirectly decrease the quality of my life. I'd love it if I could invest money without fear of the markets going crazy because of a tweet[3], if I could support the government without worrying about them killing innocent citizens[4], and if I could connect with my friends and family without worrying about my privacy being sold to the highest bidder. My former classmates are and will be using computers to indirectly prevent me from doing the above with any sort of peace of mind. It is infuriating. When I sit down to program, I now make a conscious effort to build tools that I can use in the future to fight against the trends above. I use Clojure because it's the language I've been able to get the most done in the shortest amount of time. If there were a language that let me do as much as fast, I'd drop Clojure like a rock and learn that. If I want to stem the negative effects the geniuses are having on my life, I'll need to use the best tools possible. That means constantly learning more powerful concepts and building better tools. I've been on a graph theory and network science kick lately because I noticed that google, palantir, and facebook got where they are by virtue of being really good at graph theory. The concepts are crazy powerful and provide immense power to the people who can successfully employ them. So, when I sit down to work on certain projects, the main motivating factor for me is that I'm furious that my classmates are worsening my life. There's a ton of work that I need to do before I can do anything about it though. I'm obviously on a futile crusade fueled by my youth and naiveté, but for the moment, that's why I program. -Zack [0] http://www.nanex.net/aqck2/4136.html [1] http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/the-great-degrader/ [2] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms [3] http://seekingalpha.com/article/1362731-obama-is-dead-tweet-makes-for-flash-crash [4] http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-drones-policy-obama-koh-20130513,0,4160911.story On Monday, May 13, 2013 11:35:33 PM UTC+4, Erlis Vidal wrote: > > Let me share this tale with you guys, hope you like it as much as I do: > > It is said that Socrates met a worker who asked: what are you doing good > man? "Don't you see I'm cutting a stone to earn my salary and so I can eat > " the worker replied. He moved on and later found another worker > questioning the same way as the previous one, he replied "I'm building a > wall," continued Socrates finding their way to a third worker, also > questioning, the answer was "I'm building a beautiful palace " > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Baldridge > > > wrote: > >> I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I >> have to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, >> actually writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask >> my parents when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room >> without a computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to >> get the thoughts down. >> >> So I guess you could say I'm an addict. >> >> Timothy Baldridge >> >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises >> > wrote: >> >>> > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me >>> personally >>> > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes >>> > programming worth doing in the first place. >>> >>> This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions >>> (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? >>> what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting >>> better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping >>> others. I normally direct people to Advice to Aimless, Excited >>> Programmers (http://prog21.dadgum.com/80.html). For those who'd rather >>> read the rest of this email, the tl;dr version is: got scratch your >>> own itch, you might be building an itch-scratcher for others. >>> >>> The real question now becomes (at least for me): how do you know when >>> an itch is worth scratching? how do you know it's a shared itch? >>> >>> I've seen more experienced progra
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Let me share this tale with you guys, hope you like it as much as I do: It is said that Socrates met a worker who asked: what are you doing good man ? "Don't you see I'm cutting a stone to earn my salary and so I can eat" the worker replied. He moved on and later found another worker questioning the same way as the previous one, he replied "I'm building a wall," continued Socrates finding their way to a third worker, also questioning, the answer was "I'm building a beautiful palace " On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Baldridge wrote: > I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I have > to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, actually > writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask my parents > when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room without a > computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to get the > thoughts down. > > So I guess you could say I'm an addict. > > Timothy Baldridge > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises wrote: > >> > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally >> > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes >> > programming worth doing in the first place. >> >> This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions >> (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? >> what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting >> better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping >> others. I normally direct people to Advice to Aimless, Excited >> Programmers (http://prog21.dadgum.com/80.html). For those who'd rather >> read the rest of this email, the tl;dr version is: got scratch your >> own itch, you might be building an itch-scratcher for others. >> >> The real question now becomes (at least for me): how do you know when >> an itch is worth scratching? how do you know it's a shared itch? >> >> I've seen more experienced programmers immediately recognise what'd be >> useful at large and what wouldn't (when I presented them with a couple >> "itches" of my own.) Interestingly enough, my judgement didn't >> necessarily coincide with theirs. >> >> Code to scratch your own itch? Sure, that's great. Code to scratch a >> shared itch? Even better. But how do you know which is which? >> >> U >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > -- > “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking > zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C > programs.” > (Robert Firth) > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
I doubt I'm unique in this area, but for me, programming is a drug. I have to code, or the ideas and thoughts build up in my mind. For me, actually writing down and implementing these is a stress relief. Just ask my parents when I was growing up, or my wife today. Keep me in a room without a computer for a week, and I'll start writing code on paper just to get the thoughts down. So I guess you could say I'm an addict. Timothy Baldridge On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Ulises wrote: > > Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally > > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes > > programming worth doing in the first place. > > This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions > (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? > what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting > better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping > others. I normally direct people to Advice to Aimless, Excited > Programmers (http://prog21.dadgum.com/80.html). For those who'd rather > read the rest of this email, the tl;dr version is: got scratch your > own itch, you might be building an itch-scratcher for others. > > The real question now becomes (at least for me): how do you know when > an itch is worth scratching? how do you know it's a shared itch? > > I've seen more experienced programmers immediately recognise what'd be > useful at large and what wouldn't (when I presented them with a couple > "itches" of my own.) Interestingly enough, my judgement didn't > necessarily coincide with theirs. > > Code to scratch your own itch? Sure, that's great. Code to scratch a > shared itch? Even better. But how do you know which is which? > > U > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- “One of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that–lacking zero–they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs.” (Robert Firth) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
> Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally > the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes > programming worth doing in the first place. This is a rather important point. One of the most asked questions (random made up fact) by newcomers to a language is "what can I code? what open source programs can I help?". All with the aims of getting better acquainted with the language itself and, hopefully, helping others. I normally direct people to Advice to Aimless, Excited Programmers (http://prog21.dadgum.com/80.html). For those who'd rather read the rest of this email, the tl;dr version is: got scratch your own itch, you might be building an itch-scratcher for others. The real question now becomes (at least for me): how do you know when an itch is worth scratching? how do you know it's a shared itch? I've seen more experienced programmers immediately recognise what'd be useful at large and what wouldn't (when I presented them with a couple "itches" of my own.) Interestingly enough, my judgement didn't necessarily coincide with theirs. Code to scratch your own itch? Sure, that's great. Code to scratch a shared itch? Even better. But how do you know which is which? U -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Nelson Morris writes: > What helps is direct involvement by someone else. I'll definitely echo this. People are more important than programs. If I'm writing code that I'm going to be the only one using, maybe it'll hold my interest for a few hours. But even in the best cases it's usually only motivated by extreme annoyance, which is not sustainable. Code that matters is code that's used by other people. For me personally the ability to share my code with others is the thing that makes programming worth doing in the first place. -Phil pgptQVxRmejyV.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sunday, May 12, 2013 3:34:22 PM UTC-4, atkaaz wrote: > > Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? > How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to > program? What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround > yourself with or the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously > motivate you? What if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > > Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > Thanks. > This may be tangential to your question - but then maybe it is not: I learned that the better you are at something, the more fun it is. Playing "Mary Had a Little Lamb" on a musical instrument is not that exciting, even if it's the first time you managed it. Playing something from Bach or Led Zeppelin is fun.Learning to swim for the first time is not as exciting as finishing your first one mile swim. And the same holds for intellectual pursuits. I had no interest in writing software outside my day job for the first six or eight years working. But through a strange series of events I was effectively forced to improve my skills from "able to adequately complete assigned tasks" to "competent". I may be the least skilled person on this list, but I'm twice the developer I was ten years ago. And once I moved past basic very minimum competence, I discovered that this work can be interesting - more than interesting, it can be entertaining. My insight, shamelessly stolen from Cal Newport, is that people don't try to find a passion that suits their talent. That's not now it works. You get so good at something that you enjoy it, and then it becomes your passion. -Mike -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
AtKaaZ writes: > Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? How > do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to program? > What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with or > the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? What > if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? I have the advantage of not being a programmer; I write code to achieve something that I want, or that will allow me to answer a question that I want to answer. As the questions vary, so does the choice of language, which is why code-wize, I'm a jack-of-all-trades and, indeed, master of none. For me the questions are often biological. How do we measure if two genes are doing the same thing? How can we we analyse 10,000's of genes at once? How can we describe the chromosomes that we see down a microscope? Of course, you could ask how I find the motivation to answer these questions; can't tell you that one. I can't understand how anyone could *not* be interested in how life, how they themselves, work. So, more generally, my answer is, I care about what my code does; without this, for me, it's solving a crossword puzzle. Phil -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Development for money isn't a problem for me, however dev for open source can be problematic. The scarce resource for open source is mostly time, though occasionally motivation becomes low. Contributions and projects start off well, and energy might wane depending on time and life factors. Even contributing to tools used by many of the members of the community, like lein and clojars, doesn't prevent it. What helps is direct involvement by someone else. Maybe technomancy makes a commit in clojars and it sparks me there for a couple weeks, or someone will have some problem with lein's dependency stuff and I'll spend a few days to make it better. Hanging out in irc sometimes helps, though it can also be a distraction. Watching the small business software community from afar, I've seen several people talk about how mastermind groups are helpful. It seems like a weekly or bi-weekly call/hangout of 3-5 people who provide support and accountability would be a decent hack for those that need some external push. On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > +100 :) > > I write code because I have to. If my job doesn't have me doing much > programming, I spin up OSS projects in my spare time. When my job has > me doing hardcore programming all the time, my urges are satisfied and > my OSS projects don't get as much love. If my wife's away for the > weekend, to fill the emptiness, I write code. > > My wife has several friends who are writers and artists and they all > say the same thing: they write (or paint / draw) not because they want > to, but because they have to - they're driven by some overwhelming > need or desire. > > Like Tim tho', I know a lot of "programmers" who are not like that. > For them, it's a job. When they go home, they don't think about it, > they don't read technical books for "fun", they don't write OSS. I'm > just glad people are willing to pay me for something I'd have to do > anyway to stay sane... > > Sean > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, u1204 wrote: > >>Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? > How > >>do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to > program? > >>What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with > or > >>the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? > What > >>if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > >> > >> Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > > > > I can't answer for anyone else but, for me, it is simple. > > I don't program. I AM a programmer. It is a lot like being an artist, > > I guess. You see, think, and express in painting. Or a dancer. > > See Ken Robinson's TED talk and his story about the dancer's education. > > I see, think, and express myself in programs. > > > > I want a program that "speaks the key letter" when I hit a key because > > it is hard to type while driving. I want it to tell me what letter I > > just hit so I don't have to look. Driving wastes time. > > > > It is Sunday @ 6pm here and I've been coding since I woke up. Prior > > to that I coded just before I went to sleep (@5am this morning). > > I program because I breathe? > > > > I have a LONG list of programming projects I want to do and not enough > > time to do them. I'd like to have a group of people who would work with > > me on them. I've often joked that I'm in the market for a dozen > > "foreign brides" so I could teach them to program and help. Local laws > > seem to frown on multiple marriages of convenience unfortunately. > > > > I know a lot of people who "program" but I know very few "programmers". > > They are easy to spot though. Just look for people who get fired up when > > the watch Rich Hickey's "Are We There Yet" video. Look for someone who > > thinks McDonalds is the canonical example of an operating system. > > > > We live in the first 60 years of a new science. Think big thoughts. > > Try to throw yourself at a problem that will consume the rest of your > > life. Think about your craft, understand where it has flaws, and try > > to convince people there is a better way. Clojure is one example. > > We won't mention literate programming. > > > > Rich is trying to make the language he needs to cleanly express what > > he wants to do and, as a side effect, he's changing the world around > > him. You can do that too. > > > > Grab the Firefox sources, strip out Javascript, replace it with > > Clojure. That would completely eliminate the need for ClojureScript and > > put you dead center in the pantheon of Clojure-ites. If we could open a > > new browser tab, type Clojure in it, and then use it to drive the GPU > > graphics hardware to present a new web page... that would be cool. We > > want to open a Clojure tab and have a REPL. We want to drag-and-drop > > the Clojure Ants demo into a tab and see it run immediately, locally, > > and natively in the browser. Now we have Clojure everywhere on anything >
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+100 :) I write code because I have to. If my job doesn't have me doing much programming, I spin up OSS projects in my spare time. When my job has me doing hardcore programming all the time, my urges are satisfied and my OSS projects don't get as much love. If my wife's away for the weekend, to fill the emptiness, I write code. My wife has several friends who are writers and artists and they all say the same thing: they write (or paint / draw) not because they want to, but because they have to - they're driven by some overwhelming need or desire. Like Tim tho', I know a lot of "programmers" who are not like that. For them, it's a job. When they go home, they don't think about it, they don't read technical books for "fun", they don't write OSS. I'm just glad people are willing to pay me for something I'd have to do anyway to stay sane... Sean On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:03 PM, u1204 wrote: >>Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? How >>do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to program? >>What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with or >>the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? What >>if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? >> >> Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > > I can't answer for anyone else but, for me, it is simple. > I don't program. I AM a programmer. It is a lot like being an artist, > I guess. You see, think, and express in painting. Or a dancer. > See Ken Robinson's TED talk and his story about the dancer's education. > I see, think, and express myself in programs. > > I want a program that "speaks the key letter" when I hit a key because > it is hard to type while driving. I want it to tell me what letter I > just hit so I don't have to look. Driving wastes time. > > It is Sunday @ 6pm here and I've been coding since I woke up. Prior > to that I coded just before I went to sleep (@5am this morning). > I program because I breathe? > > I have a LONG list of programming projects I want to do and not enough > time to do them. I'd like to have a group of people who would work with > me on them. I've often joked that I'm in the market for a dozen > "foreign brides" so I could teach them to program and help. Local laws > seem to frown on multiple marriages of convenience unfortunately. > > I know a lot of people who "program" but I know very few "programmers". > They are easy to spot though. Just look for people who get fired up when > the watch Rich Hickey's "Are We There Yet" video. Look for someone who > thinks McDonalds is the canonical example of an operating system. > > We live in the first 60 years of a new science. Think big thoughts. > Try to throw yourself at a problem that will consume the rest of your > life. Think about your craft, understand where it has flaws, and try > to convince people there is a better way. Clojure is one example. > We won't mention literate programming. > > Rich is trying to make the language he needs to cleanly express what > he wants to do and, as a side effect, he's changing the world around > him. You can do that too. > > Grab the Firefox sources, strip out Javascript, replace it with > Clojure. That would completely eliminate the need for ClojureScript and > put you dead center in the pantheon of Clojure-ites. If we could open a > new browser tab, type Clojure in it, and then use it to drive the GPU > graphics hardware to present a new web page... that would be cool. We > want to open a Clojure tab and have a REPL. We want to drag-and-drop > the Clojure Ants demo into a tab and see it run immediately, locally, > and natively in the browser. Now we have Clojure everywhere on anything > using everything. Big win. Now we can socket connect your browser to my > browser and the whole world now is a Clojure supercomputer. Bigger win. > Who needs servers? It could change the world. (Hmm, where can I find > that signup sheet for foreign brides... it's around here somewhere.) > > Tim Daly > > > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave F
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
>Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? How >do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to program? >What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with or >the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? What >if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > > Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. I can't answer for anyone else but, for me, it is simple. I don't program. I AM a programmer. It is a lot like being an artist, I guess. You see, think, and express in painting. Or a dancer. See Ken Robinson's TED talk and his story about the dancer's education. I see, think, and express myself in programs. I want a program that "speaks the key letter" when I hit a key because it is hard to type while driving. I want it to tell me what letter I just hit so I don't have to look. Driving wastes time. It is Sunday @ 6pm here and I've been coding since I woke up. Prior to that I coded just before I went to sleep (@5am this morning). I program because I breathe? I have a LONG list of programming projects I want to do and not enough time to do them. I'd like to have a group of people who would work with me on them. I've often joked that I'm in the market for a dozen "foreign brides" so I could teach them to program and help. Local laws seem to frown on multiple marriages of convenience unfortunately. I know a lot of people who "program" but I know very few "programmers". They are easy to spot though. Just look for people who get fired up when the watch Rich Hickey's "Are We There Yet" video. Look for someone who thinks McDonalds is the canonical example of an operating system. We live in the first 60 years of a new science. Think big thoughts. Try to throw yourself at a problem that will consume the rest of your life. Think about your craft, understand where it has flaws, and try to convince people there is a better way. Clojure is one example. We won't mention literate programming. Rich is trying to make the language he needs to cleanly express what he wants to do and, as a side effect, he's changing the world around him. You can do that too. Grab the Firefox sources, strip out Javascript, replace it with Clojure. That would completely eliminate the need for ClojureScript and put you dead center in the pantheon of Clojure-ites. If we could open a new browser tab, type Clojure in it, and then use it to drive the GPU graphics hardware to present a new web page... that would be cool. We want to open a Clojure tab and have a REPL. We want to drag-and-drop the Clojure Ants demo into a tab and see it run immediately, locally, and natively in the browser. Now we have Clojure everywhere on anything using everything. Big win. Now we can socket connect your browser to my browser and the whole world now is a Clojure supercomputer. Bigger win. Who needs servers? It could change the world. (Hmm, where can I find that signup sheet for foreign brides... it's around here somewhere.) Tim Daly -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Well everything in life - especially in engineering - has its ups and downs. Teamwork is the key! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nebd9yoraac :) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Hey, thanks for sharing. I think I am the opposite of that, I am unable to code just for myself, if no one else is directly (and immediately) impacted by what I do then I get bored fast (but this is probably coupled with the fact that I am unable to code the way I want yet like some editor where everything is based on a graph so ie. connected, explorable). If I am doing something for someone (other than just myself) then I'm all fired up and motivated although any kind of inconsistency/bugs/barriers or the need to compromise around them because of the system limitations are having a negative impact on my morale. This is likely still be ego related, but knowing that I am not the only one that I program for, boosts my morale. In a way this is always true that you program for others as much as for yourself but it's not directly obvious, for example all the improvements that you get from practicing/programming will help you and others in the future, it's for the best of all(and I consciously know that), but my subconscious seems to want something more immediate like knowing that are others (in the now) actively waiting on me and wanting me to code the stuff (ego xD). I find this morale boosting. But just doing it for myself, I couldn't do it, even if I would know that sometime in the future some people would appreciate that I did that. I would guess that a good programmer(not me) knows how to program his subconscious (which is not unlike what you did Mosciatti) so that morale is never a problem. Either make the environmental conditions match the expected ones (ie. surround yourself with friends that appreciate what u're doing) or reprogram your subconscious (ie. so you don't need the friends that appreciate you, you appreciating yourself would be enough). Sometimes I am able to trick myself into believing that sometime in the future some people would benefit from what I coded (either from the code itself[less likely though xD] or from what the resulting program does) and this works for a while but it's still based on the fact that I code for others or in other words, my ego boosts morale when I know that I've done something for others (as opposed to just myself). ok writing too much text, stopping On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Simone Mosciatti wrote: > I code only for myself, and honestly coding is what I like to do. > > I remember these days being in a very bad mood and all I wanted to do was > to sit and code. > > I believe that what motivate myself is my own EGO, code for me is only > about solving problem, and more problem I solve better my ego is. > > Anyway I am still a student and I don't have (m)any [I like that XP] > financial issues. > > I am weird, but friends usually don't help me when I have an hard time, > neither does my family (no that they wouldn't like to help me, they try > most of the time but they simply don't work), time helps. > For problems that I can not solve because they are not ups to me, I just > don't think about, so I keep myself as busy as possible, until I don't feel > great again. > For problems that I can solve, well those are just other forms of coding, > so I just fix that for my ego. > > :-) > > Someone else want to share ? > > > On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34:22 PM UTC+2, atkaaz wrote: >> >> Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? >> How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to >> program? What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround >> yourself with or the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously >> motivate you? What if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? >> >> Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. >> Thanks. >> > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojur
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
I just put my ear buds and select music according to my mood and my task choice. I have around 10 days of music on my iPad, all sorts of styles. Sometimes, however I need to select a pleasant task knowing that I am not in a mood to tackle a p.i.t.a. subject. These times are very low on my mood scale and do not occur often. A good example, in the last three weeks I have been working on patching rotten hospital accounting processes using Clojure. It's all event driven, asynch,... but ultimately, you deal with debit and credits and money persistence in a database which cuts the fun by a few orders of magnitude :( It's been driving me nuts. I am competing with a messy front end and carving out a way to get these things to run and balance properly. These are rough times. Of course, I could have been forced to do this in PL/SQL, it helps to put things in perspective a bit : I have a pile of fun things waiting for me to do. Like they say, push back the gratification as much as you can and think about the other worse options (PL/SQL, Cobol, PL/1, ...) out there to keep you going... Luc P. > Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? How > do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to program? > What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with or > the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? What > if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > > Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > Thanks. > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- Softaddicts sent by ibisMail from my ipad! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
I code only for myself, and honestly coding is what I like to do. I remember these days being in a very bad mood and all I wanted to do was to sit and code. I believe that what motivate myself is my own EGO, code for me is only about solving problem, and more problem I solve better my ego is. Anyway I am still a student and I don't have (m)any [I like that XP] financial issues. I am weird, but friends usually don't help me when I have an hard time, neither does my family (no that they wouldn't like to help me, they try most of the time but they simply don't work), time helps. For problems that I can not solve because they are not ups to me, I just don't think about, so I keep myself as busy as possible, until I don't feel great again. For problems that I can solve, well those are just other forms of coding, so I just fix that for my ego. :-) Someone else want to share ? On Sunday, May 12, 2013 9:34:22 PM UTC+2, atkaaz wrote: > > Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? > How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to > program? What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround > yourself with or the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously > motivate you? What if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? > > Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. > Thanks. > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
unusual question: how do you get morale?(or moral support)
Hi. I've been meaning to ask (all of)you, how do you get moral support? How do you put yourself into that mood so that you're happy/willing to program? What motivates you to do it? Is it the people you surround yourself with or the financial support? Are they enough to subconsciously motivate you? What if you had no friends/contacts but you had time? Unusual question for this ML, I know, so I won't expect (m)any answers. Thanks. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
