Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread Adam R. B. Jack

> Sigh.

Sorry to hear that..

> Ok, this is a little late, but...
>
> Before I read this thread, I put a link to the Gump feed in the sidebar
> for Planet Apache.

I think there was a lot of  miscommunication (with thoughts passing like
ships in the night) as threads occured on blogs, on PlanetApache,  on
personal blog comments, on mailing lists. I got defensive at the 'rudeness'
of removing something w/o communicating, and now I see it was communicated,
it was the right thing to do, and that I goofed w/ Gump.

A storm in a tea cup came up over a simple mistake, which was compounded by
how this new medium challenged various preconceptions (about where the
thread really 'was'.) Perhaps the serendipity is that we've learn that
communications channels are changing, simultaneously decentralizing and with
peronal "parrellel universes". Lots of simultaneous cross pollinating
conversations, w/o too much unwanted cross chatter. It'll take us all a
while to see if we can adapt to this, and "virtual threads"...

Perhaps the likes of PlanetApache and Technorati
(http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1701.html) are guides, the buddy tapping
you on the shoulder in quieter moments saying "hey, you catch what Fred over
there said? You'd want to hear that..."?

BTW: Remove the Gump link, if you feel it is right to -- or causes folks
angst, I won't get funny about it & appreciated the gesture.

> I also regard a lot of what we are doing with Planet as an experiment,

Yup, and it is a healthy experiment, sorry for the hiccup...

> so I expect that we will try a bunch of things and change our minds
> (perhaps multiple times).   I hope that either Thom or I will get the
> code base for Planet checked into the planet CVS soon, so that we can
> start some additional experiments with it.  I see possible connections
> to some of the things Stefano has done in the past with Agora, and
> there's certainly a tie in with krell.

Amusingly I'd being toying w/ ideas of using Gump's project
interdependencies in a social network setting, maybe I just need to listen
to those you mention above. It is an interesting space.

regards

Adam


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Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)

2004-01-23 Thread Ted Leung
On Jan 22, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As 
I
said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they
amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of 
relationships
as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs 
via
home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social
networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of 
communities). I
feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be 
curious
to explore it...

FOAF style stuff is on my list in conjunction with Krell.  Also there 
has been limited discussion with the other Planet operaters regarding 
FOAF data.


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Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread Ted Leung
Sigh.
Ok, this is a little late, but...
Before I read this thread, I put a link to the Gump feed in the sidebar  
for Planet Apache.  I also posted why I chose to do this.   My biggest  
issue with the Gump feed was that it was drowning out (by volume) the  
postings by people.   I personally would be happy to see project  
related feeds go into Gump -- one of the factors that influenced me to  
put the link back was a comment that Andy Oliver left on my blog  
regarding project related feeds.  I also stated, and repeat that a feed  
which consisted of a summary of the gump run on a once a day basis  
would also be acceptable (at least to me).

I also regard a lot of what we are doing with Planet as an experiment,  
so I expect that we will try a bunch of things and change our minds  
(perhaps multiple times).   I hope that either Thom or I will get the  
code base for Planet checked into the planet CVS soon, so that we can  
start some additional experiments with it.  I see possible connections  
to some of the things Stefano has done in the past with Agora, and  
there's certainly a tie in with krell.

At the moment (meaning until I think of more), my personal goals for  
Planet are to encourage the growth of the ASF community both  
qualitatively (and this would include project communications) and  
quantitatively, and to show the outside world a bit more of a personal  
face.

Ted
On Jan 22, 2004, at 7:26 AM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
IIRTC (bottom): Thom May removed the Jakarta Gump entry stating "This  
really
is not what planet is about". Now Thom might be correct, it is an  
opinion,
but I don't recall a debate on the worthiness of Gump, nor on exactly
what/whom Planet Apache is meant to be for.

Is Planet Apache somehow about his travel experiences
[http://blog.clearairturbulence.org/blog/life/funwithmaps.html] (not  
bad,
hardly Magellan ;), but not about the health of inter-relationships of
Apache projects? Interesting. Sure, Gump is an automated feed, but is  
it so
inappropriate?

So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache  
needs some
PMC control...

FWIIW: My observation is that Planet Apache is (at best) going to be  
only a
small percentage on Apache (even on OSS) topics, and it will be highly
verbose, and with high noise content ... it is the nature of that sort  
of
simple aggregation. [I'd like to see some form of categories utilized,  
so it
could filter on stuff that said it was Apache related, but I don't see  
that
as likely, if even technically available across tools/feeds.] I see  
Planet
Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author,  
who has
some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own
aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump  
participating.
Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff...

regards,
Adam
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Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On 23 Jan 2004 09:12:06 +0100
David N. Welton wrote:

> > "Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what
> > you are going to get!" ... ;-)
> What makes you believe planet might want to have this box?

Not sure. :)

Please read 
http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/
and
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040115.1

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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
> Much much more so: congratulations to everybody who slaved away on the 
> new license for all these many years.

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040121.1

Congratulations to everybody who devoted to the new license

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Re: New license applied to docs

2004-01-23 Thread Lars Eilebrecht
According to Joshua Slive:

> text in a comment in ALL documentation files?  Where we have "source"
> (xml) and generated html files, do we treat the html as an "object"  file
> and exclude the notice, or should we have it there too?

IMHO we should include it in all text and html files as well.

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New license applied to docs

2004-01-23 Thread Joshua Slive
I think someone is working on an implimentation guide for the new license.
Could you please include and answer to this question:

Now that the new license can be explicitly applied to documentation,
should we include the

"Copyright [] [name of copyright owner]
Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License")..."

text in a comment in ALL documentation files?  Where we have "source"
(xml) and generated html files, do we treat the html as an "object"  file
and exclude the notice, or should we have it there too?

Joshua.

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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, David N. Welton wrote:
> Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >   * The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of
> > that license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
>
> > The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be
> > switched to the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch
> > this space for further instructions on how to "use" the new
> > license.
>
> For those who don't follow the legal stuff too closely, were the
> differences of opinion with the Debian folks ever resolved?  How about
> the FSF?

Debian went quiet after Roy responded to their concerns.  We'll see how
they feel, I guess.

I talked with Eben Moglen in person yesterday, having happened to have
been in NY.  His sense is that the two licenses are compatible; that one
can incorporate AL 2.0 code into GPLd code and release the combined work
as GPL, and that (loosely paraphrasing) the FSF would take whatever
further steps necessary for compatibility in the GPL 3.0.

It wouldn't hurt to state in a license FAQ or somewhere else that the ASF
believes the two licenses to be compatible, and will not try to prevent
anyone from combining AL 2.0 code with GPL code.

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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Ben Laurie
Greg Stein wrote:
  * Last November, Roy Fielding resigned his position as a Director of the
ASF in order to have more time to "get real work done". Thus, we had a
vacancy on the Board which needed to be filled. The Board appointed
Sander Striker to fill that seat until the next ASF Members Meeting to
be held sometime around June; the Members will elect a new Board at
that time.

Thanks for all your efforts Roy, and welcome to the Board, Sander!
For the record, the general sense on the board was that we'd rather have 
held an election for the new director than appointed someone, but no-one 
had the time and energy to organise it.

Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)

2004-01-23 Thread Ben Hyde
I think a concise, dense, daily front-panel summary of what's up in 
various regions of apache summed up from the output of various bots is 
a delightful thing.  I think streaming it into planet apache is fine by 
me.   I agree that Mr. Gump was running off at the mouth a bit much for 
my taste; but I'd like to see something of his ilk return.  testing 
isn't the only heartbeat that such a summary could roll up.

Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache?
krell will collect foaf links if they appear in the resource your url 
mentioned.  I think three people currently have foaf files so 
configured.  If you check out foaf (you will need to have LWP from CPAN 
as well) and run it then the foaf file list will show up in the 
directory of data scrapped by krell when you do a make.  The foaf data 
currently captured is more like the root of a search.  Foaf still 
hasn't gotten traction; barriers to entry are still too high.

On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Ben Laurie wrote:
problem:
What about those of us who never[1] write blogs?
solution?
[1] OK, I did write one once when I was _really_ pissed off.
... ;-) just kidding
It would substantially more lame to presume that blogging was a 
expected behavior of an ASF community member than to expect that 
programming in a given language was.

  - ben
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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Rich Bowen
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Greg Stein wrote:

>   * The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of that
> license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/.
> 
> The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be switched to
> the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch this space for
> further instructions on how to "use" the new license.


Yaaay! Thanks for all the hard work on this, folks!

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Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)

2004-01-23 Thread Ben Laurie
Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I
said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they
amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships
as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via
home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social
networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I
feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious
to explore it...
What about those of us who never[1] write blogs?
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Bill Stoddard
Greg Stein wrote:
Happy New Year!
The Board met last Wednesday for its regular, monthly meeting. Since the
official board minutes will still need to be drafted, approved, and posted
to the web site, I am writing this email to give a brief summary of the
actions we took. Since this has an affect on all committers at the ASF,
you are receiving this email. 

In summary:
  * The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of that
license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/.

The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be switched to
the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch this space for
further instructions on how to "use" the new license.
WooHoo!!
  * Last November, Roy Fielding resigned his position as a Director of the
ASF in order to have more time to "get real work done". Thus, we had a
vacancy on the Board which needed to be filled. The Board appointed
Sander Striker to fill that seat until the next ASF Members Meeting to
be held sometime around June; the Members will elect a new Board at
that time.

Thanks for all your efforts Roy, and welcome to the Board, Sander!

Congrats Sander!
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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread David N. Welton
Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   * The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of
> that license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/.

> The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be
> switched to the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch
> this space for further instructions on how to "use" the new
> license.

For those who don't follow the legal stuff too closely, were the
differences of opinion with the Debian folks ever resolved?  How about
the FSF?

Thanks,
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Re: ASF Board Summary for January 21, 2004

2004-01-23 Thread Ben Hyde
Wee!   A reply-to header on a posting to committers.  Way to go Greg!  
Your an inspiration to us all!

Congratulations to Sander.
Much much more so: congratulations to everybody who slaved away on the 
new license for all these many years.

Thank you!
   - ben
On Jan 23, 2004, at 9:14 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
Happy New Year!
The Board met last Wednesday for its regular, monthly meeting. Since 
the
official board minutes will still need to be drafted, approved, and 
posted
to the web site, I am writing this email to give a brief summary of the
actions we took. Since this has an affect on all committers at the ASF,
you are receiving this email.

In summary:
  * The Board has approved the new Apache License 2.0. For a copy of 
that
license, please see http://www.apache.org/licenses/.

The Board has also mandated that all ASF software must be switched 
to
the new license by March 1st, 2004. Please watch this space for
further instructions on how to "use" the new license.

  * Last November, Roy Fielding resigned his position as a Director of 
the
ASF in order to have more time to "get real work done". Thus, we 
had a
vacancy on the Board which needed to be filled. The Board appointed
Sander Striker to fill that seat until the next ASF Members 
Meeting to
be held sometime around June; the Members will elect a new Board at
that time.

Thanks for all your efforts Roy, and welcome to the Board, Sander!
  * The Board appointed J. Aaron Farr as the new Chair of the Apache
Avalon Project, replacing Berin Loritsch. Berin has been very 
helpful
in getting the Avalon project moving along, but wanted a bit more 
free
time. Aaron is a relative newcomer to the Avalon project, so we 
hope
he can bring some fresh energy to Avalon. Welcome!

Please follow up to community@apache.org with any discussion. Also, 
please
feel free to send myself (or any other ASF officer) email if you have
comments, questions, or concerns.

Cheers,
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Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread David N. Welton
Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > Gump's not a person.  Like you said, the planet is for authors
> > (people) associated with apache.

Here is what emacs' "doctor" has to say about its younger electronic
colleague:



> Yep, Gump is not a person, but a chain restaurant of Shrimp dishes. :)

Is it because a chain restaurant of shrimp dishes that you came to me?

> The point is -- "CHAIN" reactions of/from subscribers. 

Why do you say the point is chain reactions of from subscribers?

> The messages from Jakarta Gump would never affect to the other
> subscribers' opinions/participations.

Earlier you said a chain restaurant of shrimp dishes?

> "Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what
> you are going to get!" ... ;-)

What makes you believe planet might want to have this box?



I have to concur with the mighty emacs - what makes you believe that
planet wants to have this particular box?  If I read people's online
journals, I'd want to read about people, not the activities of some
script.

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serendipity (Re: Gump Spam)

2004-01-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Forgot to mention

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:58:01 -0700
Adam R. B. Jack wrote:

> Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I
> said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they
> amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships
> as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via
> home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social
> networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I
> feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious
> to explore it...

Serendipity issue, by the way? Gathering news/items from various communities
(projects) might be interesting. Well, I can setup new domain within my 
company's
website. (philapache.org/unitedapache.org ? :)
Perhaps this *social* experiment would be rather hosted @ apache.org domain.

Do you have an idea?

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Re: Gump Spam

2004-01-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:58:01 -0700
(Subject: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?))
Adam R. B. Jack wrote:

> > I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed.  I believe several others
> > chimed in with the same sentiment.  So, Thom wasn't alone in his
> assessment
> > in the situation.  And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged,
> > there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw
> was
> > that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities.  -- justin

> I think what caused me most surprise was that I missed the whole darn 'Shut
> The Gump Up' conversation. If I'd known Gump was pissing folks off so much
> I'd've pulled it myself (as I did that day when it was producing HTML w/ an
> open table tag.) What is somewhat amusing is that Gump was pulled for
> verbosity (and/or boringness) from conversations on a page that I've already
> stopped reading due to it's verbosity/noise...

I think it that Gump has a very weak "Van der Waals force" (^_^). 
Maybe it is due to the fact that the messages (naggings) from Jakarta Gump
would never influence (be influenced) to/by the other subscribers'
opinions/participations. I'm plus one to opins from Justin/Thom etc.

However, do not be afraid. Perhaps you can create *new* "second planet"
for gumpy etc. (Before that, I'd like to see "Adam's blog", by the way :)
I do/did not think it that Gumpy naggings are/were noisy, however,
you might have to think of the weak "Van der Waals force" / "Gravity force"
with the other subscribers. Cheers.

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Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)

2004-01-23 Thread Adam R. B. Jack
> I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed.  I believe several others
> chimed in with the same sentiment.  So, Thom wasn't alone in his
assessment
> in the situation.  And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged,
> there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw
was
> that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities.  -- justin

I think what caused me most surprise was that I missed the whole darn 'Shut
The Gump Up' conversation. If I'd known Gump was pissing folks off so much
I'd've pulled it myself (as I did that day when it was producing HTML w/ an
open table tag.) What is somewhat amusing is that Gump was pulled for
verbosity (and/or boringness) from conversations on a page that I've already
stopped reading due to it's verbosity/noise...

I know I'm a Neanderthal for saying it, but PlanetApache like this is
news://comp.apache w/o kill lists (except for Gump ;-) and as such I feel
for the folks trying to read it all. I do apologize for the Gump noise (and
I'll shut up after this, here also). I should've have experimented that way,
and cost you all filter time. I honestly thought it was content from the
community being returned to the community, to be shared, but I guess that
was a subjective view, a mistake & spam to many of you.

That said, although it is good for folks to "share & electronically bond"
via blogs, get to know the people -- not the work, I'd be more inclined to
read this if I could get at the work related content. I have enough friends,
I judge colleagues via their work/humorous postings not their anecdotes, but
for Apache-ites ... I'd love to learn their technical
insights/pontifications (if time affordable). I wrote a simple HTML page
aggregator (like PlantApache, only less pretty & for a local MT only) here
for internal use, and I added per category pages, which I think helps mental
filtering. If anybody endeavours to do the same for PlanetApache, I'd sure
be interested in using and/or helping. As it stands, unfiltered,
PlanetApache is too diverse/content rich for my blood...

Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I
said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they
amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships
as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via
home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social
networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I
feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious
to explore it...

regards,

Adam
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Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:26 AM -0700 "Adam R. B. Jack" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs
some PMC control...
This is *exactly* why Planet Apache isn't part of the ASF.  The fact that 
Thom exposes the RSS listing to the ASF committers is a courtesy.

I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed.  I believe several others 
chimed in with the same sentiment.  So, Thom wasn't alone in his assessment 
in the situation.  And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged, 
there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw was 
that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities.  -- justin

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Re: automatic nagging for board reports?

2004-01-23 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:39 PM +0100 Leo Simons 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I believe many ASF projects are chronically late in sending in status
reports in time for the board meeting. That's bad and they should be
nagged about it. Since manual nagging is a chore, how about a small
script in a crontab somewhere that automates sending out a timely
reminder?
As a PMC chair, I'd be against receiving notifications to submit something 
that I already know to do.  -- justin

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Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?

2004-01-23 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:32:33 -0500 (EST)
Dave Brondsema wrote:
> > I see Planet
> > Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has
> > some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own
> > aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating.
> > Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff...
> Gump's not a person.  Like you said, the planet is for authors (people)
> associated with apache.

Yep, Gump is not a person, but a chain restaurant of Shrimp dishes. :)

The point is -- "CHAIN" reactions of/from subscribers. The messages
from Jakarta Gump would never affect to the other subscribers'
opinions/participations. 

"Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know
 what you are going to get!" ... ;-)

-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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