Re: Respects (Re: ApacheCon at ASIA)
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > The Apache Software Fundation's rule - there is no relationships > between superior and inferior. I mean, hierarchy. (bureaucratism is > one of them) Nope. There are those with merit, and those with increasing or decreasing fractions of merit, and those with no merit. Then there are those who literally have negative merit, the amount they have contributed to the foundation is literally insufficient to cover the aggrivation which they have caused to the foundation. This is a rare case, but your litany's to this list come dangerously close to that line. The chair is a founder of the Apache Group, one of 8 who thought that it would be cool to come together and collect patches to improve open source software, one who helped form the foundation, one who served as it's secretary for almost a decade and one who has chaired both the board and the prc for several years. That isn't authority, that is an investment of energy and effort, and demonstrates merit. I'm sorry you still can't make this connection, I believe I'm done trying to point you in the right direction. The most appropriate resolution is likely to consider you persona non grata to the entire community, and if you would like a vote on this matter, this list would be happy to oblige. Otherwise please cease and desist. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Respects (Re: ApacheCon at ASIA)
> Tetsuya, you have show the utmost lack of respect on this forum to the > chairman of the organization, who in the most friendly and forgiving way > attempted to nudge you away from inappropriate directions. Noone else > in this organization is so flexible. So your complaint falls on deaf ears. The Apache Software Fundation's rule - there is no relationships between superior and inferior. I mean, hierarchy. (bureaucratism is one of them) Maybe I had been wrongly taken introduction by POI founder and Cocoon/Forrest founder to the weird road from 2003. (oh, 6 years --- long way) I have thought that "merit" will never disappear and it remain forever. Over the threshold, you will have an invitation for membership of the Apache Software Foundation as "individual". Thank you very much to Bill and #chair#, that IT was a wrong way you told me clearly. About the respect upon #chair#, I wrote clearly in PRC list and private lists. I will not say again. Miscommunication. Thank you very much. Mucho Gracias. Tetsuya @ apache - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Bill Stoddard wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >> ABOUT APACHECON ASIA >> >> If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" >>> CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss >>> communities of >>> coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference >>> sites. >>> >> >> About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational >> conductors who are >> managing the big events at Bali island. >> About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, >> maybe you are >> right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) >> >> Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) >> and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) >> would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies >> can be the sponsors if held there. >> >> > > Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I > have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion. The concom list. Mark > Thanks > Bill >> >> >> >>> If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email >>> p...@apache.org. >>> If anyone has an tangible conference idea >>> (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please >>> contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm >>> these! >>> >> >> >> - >> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: >> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >> Apache News Onlinehttp://www.apachenews.org/ >> FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) >> Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) >> Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) >> Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) >> Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) >> Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) >> >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > What would you say to this? What I say is that why would you ask this a few hours later? Email is not a direct point-to-point interface, and some of us can't be online 24/7. So you have asked, I have answered, and you have places to take your ideas. If your new schemes appear on this list, I will presume they are blatent self-promotion of yourself irrespective of whether I can run them through a translator, or if they are pure .gif images that are illegible to the illiterate. If you present them in the appropriate places and they are agreeably good ideas, I welcome the chance to recognize your contributions. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > I had longly thought that this is for the committers' relaxation room. > (Freely but with "RESPECT"s to each other) Tetsuya, you have show the utmost lack of respect on this forum to the chairman of the organization, who in the most friendly and forgiving way attempted to nudge you away from inappropriate directions. Noone else in this organization is so flexible. So your complaint falls on deaf ears. If this was a closed list, you could say whatever you wanted, no harm no foul except for your relationships to individual fellow committers. But that is not how it is perceived that you have used this list or other marketing angles. > If there is no such list, I want such one. Not in the form of ML would > be appreciative also. (There are a lot of SNS exists now) > > If changed in the past, would it be visible? Where can I find out? > Committers (not members) can not see at all? community@ is open to all. that means the general public. that means that you should first work out fundraising or similar ideas on closed lists with the appropriate people, and then introduce them to the public. Right now these appear to be your personal fundraising schemes in the name of the ASF, and that wouldn't have been the case if you approached PRC directly. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
What would you say to this?
>>Bill ("William A. Rowe, Jr.)
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > ABOUT APACHECON ASIA
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> >>> If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice.
> >>> And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary
> >>> and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!"
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> >> CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss
> >> communities of
> >> coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites.
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> > About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who
> > are
> > managing the big events at Bali island.
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> > About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you
> > are
> > right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M)
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> > Korea, the Republic of (Seoul)
> > and
> > China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau)
> > would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies
> > can be the sponsors if held there.
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> Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I
> have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion.
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> Thanks
> Bill
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> >> If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email
> >> p...@apache.org.
> >> If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors)
> >> please
> >> contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these!
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Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: ABOUT APACHECON ASIA If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are managing the big events at Bali island. About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies can be the sponsors if held there. Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion. Thanks Bill If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email p...@apache.org. If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Question: > Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people > to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of > introduction, that's all it takes. When this list was changed to "this is a list to discuss communities of coders." "Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites."?? I had longly thought that this is for the committers' relaxation room. (Freely but with "RESPECT"s to each other) If there is no such list, I want such one. Not in the form of ML would be appreciative also. (There are a lot of SNS exists now) If changed in the past, would it be visible? Where can I find out? Committers (not members) can not see at all? Just - Now, Creating or testing the SNS Java/Python or Ruby project in Incubator? Tetsuya - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >> About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who >> are >> managing the big events at Bali island. > > Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people > to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of > introduction, that's all it takes. [noted that this reply was moderated to the appropriate lists for further discussion, thanks Tetsuya, look forward to corresponding there, rather than on publicly archived lists.] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who > are > managing the big events at Bali island. Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of introduction, that's all it takes. > About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you > are > right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) Very true - we had currency conversion issues even organizing the last EU event in AMS when budgeted in USD. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
ABOUT APACHECON ASIA > > If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. > > And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary > > and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" > CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of > coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are managing the big events at Bali island. About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... M) Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies can be the sponsors if held there. > If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email > p...@apache.org. > If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) > please > contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: http://www.terra-intl.com/ Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > Seems that it's (mentioned) mailing list is open to the members only. Correct, and please forgive Rich. Reflex response :) > Discuess here would be helpful for the participants (including commiters only) > don't you think? No. Not really. The mechanics of creating a conference (or fundraising effort) are wider than a community discussion list. Good ideas are always welcome, and good suggestions posted to concom at apache.org will always be moderated through. But there are hundreds of factors to consider. Thankfully, Beijing and Colombo appear to be under discussion already for this year - as a 2x city bill. As you say, much penetration into the Asia community! > If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. > And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary > and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email p...@apache.org. If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please contact con...@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
> The proper mailing lists are concom@ and > planners-2009-a...@apachecon.com. If a committer wants to volunteer on > a planning committee, we can add them to the planners list. I see. what I could not join in was @apache.org not @apachecon > I see. what was open to only members was apa...@apache.org > As already mentioned we're putting together an event in late November > and early December in both Beijing and Colombo. At this point, I > believe the events are fairly well planned and we'll be getting info out > to the public soon. There's only a couple of people volunteering and > everyone is very busy, so we're a little slow on getting it organized. I willl participate the list above amd see the current problems (Maybe can not so much problem) Regisitration issue is just due to the "announcements". I can do it at local (Japanese large 4 + net news) news papers, etc. in various ways. > My suggestion is to attend one or both of the events later this year and > see how it goes. We can then look at your ideas for 2010. I can not go to SriLanka. I have a virtual office at Mumbai now, so going to Colombo itself would be no problem, though. - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: http://www.terra-intl.com/ Tel: +85 281-701-209(Hong Kong, China) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
On Wed 21 Oct 2009 15:49, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > Discuess here would be helpful for the participants (including commiters only) > don't you think? The proper mailing lists are concom@ and planners-2009-a...@apachecon.com. If a committer wants to volunteer on a planning committee, we can add them to the planners list. > If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali > (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's > 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" As already mentioned we're putting together an event in late November and early December in both Beijing and Colombo. At this point, I believe the events are fairly well planned and we'll be getting info out to the public soon. There's only a couple of people volunteering and everyone is very busy, so we're a little slow on getting it organized. We've had very mixed success on events in Asia. The larger event in Hong Kong in 2007 was cancelled due to insufficient registration. At this point, we look for a local sponsor such as a trusted individual, user group, or local company to take a lot of the lead in these events. My suggestion is to attend one or both of the events later this year and see how it goes. We can then look at your ideas for 2010. -- J. Aaron Farr 馮傑仁 www.cubiclemuses.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Seems that it's (mentioned) mailing list is open to the members only. Discuess here would be helpful for the participants (including commiters only) don't you think? If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" > Tetsuya, > > If you have contacts in any of these locations, I would encourage you > to subscribe to the concom mailing list and join the discussion there. > Venues for conferences, including Asia conferences, are being > discussed there. Also, there's a few years of accumulated knowledge of > what has and has not worked in Asia, including some attempts to hold > events in China. > > --Rich > > On Oct 21, 2009, at 07:15 , Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > > > >> The concom is currently planning an Apache "road show" in Beijing and > >> Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. > > > >> I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least > >> [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. > > > >> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html > >> [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ > > > > If in Beijing, Japanese and Korean can participate really > > easily. (and we can understand Chinese characters). > > # Plus, I am sure that there could be a lot of Sponsors there. > > # Our language is very similar to Chinese. Samsung (Korea) > > # etc. ... maybe? > > > > If Colombo, we can not. (Take so much money) - and the > > Japanese company won't be the sponsors. > > > > > > > > Hold in China , gather a lot of money and take the Sri Lankans > > for free (in a sense) to China would be the wiser solution. maybe. > > Just a short comment. Ty. > > > >> Jukka Zitting > > > > Tetsuya Kitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Tetsuya, If you have contacts in any of these locations, I would encourage you to subscribe to the concom mailing list and join the discussion there. Venues for conferences, including Asia conferences, are being discussed there. Also, there's a few years of accumulated knowledge of what has and has not worked in Asia, including some attempts to hold events in China. --Rich On Oct 21, 2009, at 07:15 , Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: The concom is currently planning an Apache "road show" in Beijing and Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ If in Beijing, Japanese and Korean can participate really easily. (and we can understand Chinese characters). # Plus, I am sure that there could be a lot of Sponsors there. # Our language is very similar to Chinese. Samsung (Korea) # etc. ... maybe? If Colombo, we can not. (Take so much money) - and the Japanese company won't be the sponsors. Hold in China , gather a lot of money and take the Sri Lankans for free (in a sense) to China would be the wiser solution. maybe. Just a short comment. Ty. Jukka Zitting Tetsuya Kitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org -- Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
> The concom is currently planning an Apache "road show" in Beijing and > Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. > I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least > [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html > [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ If in Beijing, Japanese and Korean can participate really easily. (and we can understand Chinese characters). # Plus, I am sure that there could be a lot of Sponsors there. # Our language is very similar to Chinese. Samsung (Korea) # etc. ... maybe? If Colombo, we can not. (Take so much money) - and the Japanese company won't be the sponsors. Hold in China , gather a lot of money and take the Sri Lankans for free (in a sense) to China would be the wiser solution. maybe. Just a short comment. Ty. > Jukka Zitting Tetsuya Kitahata - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Hi, On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > I am now thiking of the ApacheCon Asia Plan in Indonesia, > near Jakarta. > (Bali) --- Maybe Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai, Taipei . > > Considering the history of ASF, maybe Bali would be the nice > place (DIfferrent island but we can go Jakarta!!). > > WDYT >> ALL The concom is currently planning an Apache "road show" in Beijing and Colombo for Nov/Dec this year. I'm not sure how widely this event has yet been publicised, at least [1] or [2] don't yet mention it. [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/conferences.html [2] http://us.apachecon.com/c/ BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
Re: ApacheCon at ASIA
Hi, James Carman and community: I see. I am hesitating sending mails so much recently here :) I am now thiking of the ApacheCon Asia Plan in Indonesia, near Jakarta. (Bali) --- Maybe Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai, Taipei . Considering the history of ASF, maybe Bali would be the nice place (DIfferrent island but we can go Jakarta!!). WDYT >> ALL I just raised this issue because the ApacheCon US is in the near. Do not forget ASIA, please!! >>> ALL ty Tetsuya James Carman > I don't think the Jakarta general email list is the correct forum for > this question. > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > Hi fellows, > > > > > > 2 or 3 years ago, the apache software foundation held the APACHECON ASIA > > in Sri Lanka, IIRC > > #IIRC: If I remember correctly -- in other words, if my memory serves me > > corrently. > > > > What would you think about holding the conference in Asia again > > around Hong Kong? > > (Of course, for me -- Tokyo would be the best - though ... :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscr...@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-h...@apache.org
