Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
> Sigh. Sorry to hear that.. > Ok, this is a little late, but... > > Before I read this thread, I put a link to the Gump feed in the sidebar > for Planet Apache. I think there was a lot of miscommunication (with thoughts passing like ships in the night) as threads occured on blogs, on PlanetApache, on personal blog comments, on mailing lists. I got defensive at the 'rudeness' of removing something w/o communicating, and now I see it was communicated, it was the right thing to do, and that I goofed w/ Gump. A storm in a tea cup came up over a simple mistake, which was compounded by how this new medium challenged various preconceptions (about where the thread really 'was'.) Perhaps the serendipity is that we've learn that communications channels are changing, simultaneously decentralizing and with peronal "parrellel universes". Lots of simultaneous cross pollinating conversations, w/o too much unwanted cross chatter. It'll take us all a while to see if we can adapt to this, and "virtual threads"... Perhaps the likes of PlanetApache and Technorati (http://www.intertwingly.net/blog/1701.html) are guides, the buddy tapping you on the shoulder in quieter moments saying "hey, you catch what Fred over there said? You'd want to hear that..."? BTW: Remove the Gump link, if you feel it is right to -- or causes folks angst, I won't get funny about it & appreciated the gesture. > I also regard a lot of what we are doing with Planet as an experiment, Yup, and it is a healthy experiment, sorry for the hiccup... > so I expect that we will try a bunch of things and change our minds > (perhaps multiple times). I hope that either Thom or I will get the > code base for Planet checked into the planet CVS soon, so that we can > start some additional experiments with it. I see possible connections > to some of the things Stefano has done in the past with Agora, and > there's certainly a tie in with krell. Amusingly I'd being toying w/ ideas of using Gump's project interdependencies in a social network setting, maybe I just need to listen to those you mention above. It is an interesting space. regards Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)
On Jan 22, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious to explore it... FOAF style stuff is on my list in conjunction with Krell. Also there has been limited discussion with the other Planet operaters regarding FOAF data. Ted Leung Blog: http://www.sauria.com/blog PGP Fingerprint: 1003 7870 251F FA71 A59A CEE3 BEBA 2B87 F5FC 4B42 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
Sigh. Ok, this is a little late, but... Before I read this thread, I put a link to the Gump feed in the sidebar for Planet Apache. I also posted why I chose to do this. My biggest issue with the Gump feed was that it was drowning out (by volume) the postings by people. I personally would be happy to see project related feeds go into Gump -- one of the factors that influenced me to put the link back was a comment that Andy Oliver left on my blog regarding project related feeds. I also stated, and repeat that a feed which consisted of a summary of the gump run on a once a day basis would also be acceptable (at least to me). I also regard a lot of what we are doing with Planet as an experiment, so I expect that we will try a bunch of things and change our minds (perhaps multiple times). I hope that either Thom or I will get the code base for Planet checked into the planet CVS soon, so that we can start some additional experiments with it. I see possible connections to some of the things Stefano has done in the past with Agora, and there's certainly a tie in with krell. At the moment (meaning until I think of more), my personal goals for Planet are to encourage the growth of the ASF community both qualitatively (and this would include project communications) and quantitatively, and to show the outside world a bit more of a personal face. Ted On Jan 22, 2004, at 7:26 AM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: IIRTC (bottom): Thom May removed the Jakarta Gump entry stating "This really is not what planet is about". Now Thom might be correct, it is an opinion, but I don't recall a debate on the worthiness of Gump, nor on exactly what/whom Planet Apache is meant to be for. Is Planet Apache somehow about his travel experiences [http://blog.clearairturbulence.org/blog/life/funwithmaps.html] (not bad, hardly Magellan ;), but not about the health of inter-relationships of Apache projects? Interesting. Sure, Gump is an automated feed, but is it so inappropriate? So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs some PMC control... FWIIW: My observation is that Planet Apache is (at best) going to be only a small percentage on Apache (even on OSS) topics, and it will be highly verbose, and with high noise content ... it is the nature of that sort of simple aggregation. [I'd like to see some form of categories utilized, so it could filter on stuff that said it was Apache related, but I don't see that as likely, if even technically available across tools/feeds.] I see Planet Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... regards, Adam --- - http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/planet/config.ini Revision 1.32 - (download), view (text) (markup) (annotate) - [selected] Wed Jan 21 13:29:44 2004 UTC (25 hours, 33 minutes ago) by thommay Changes since 1.31: +3 -3 lines Diff to previous 1.31 (colored) This really is not what planet is about -- Experience the Unwired Enterprise: http://www.sybase.com/unwiredenterprise Try Sybase: http://www.try.sybase.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ted Leung Blog: http://www.sauria.com/blog PGP Fingerprint: 1003 7870 251F FA71 A59A CEE3 BEBA 2B87 F5FC 4B42 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On 23 Jan 2004 09:12:06 +0100 David N. Welton wrote: > > "Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what > > you are going to get!" ... ;-) > What makes you believe planet might want to have this box? Not sure. :) Please read http://jakarta.apache.org/gump/ and http://jakarta.apache.org/site/elsewhere.html#20040115.1 - "Life *on PlanetApache* is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get!" ... :) - Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terra-intl.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)
I think a concise, dense, daily front-panel summary of what's up in various regions of apache summed up from the output of various bots is a delightful thing. I think streaming it into planet apache is fine by me. I agree that Mr. Gump was running off at the mouth a bit much for my taste; but I'd like to see something of his ilk return. testing isn't the only heartbeat that such a summary could roll up. Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? krell will collect foaf links if they appear in the resource your url mentioned. I think three people currently have foaf files so configured. If you check out foaf (you will need to have LWP from CPAN as well) and run it then the foaf file list will show up in the directory of data scrapped by krell when you do a make. The foaf data currently captured is more like the root of a search. Foaf still hasn't gotten traction; barriers to entry are still too high. On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Ben Laurie wrote: problem: What about those of us who never[1] write blogs? solution? [1] OK, I did write one once when I was _really_ pissed off. ... ;-) just kidding It would substantially more lame to presume that blogging was a expected behavior of an ASF community member than to expect that programming in a given language was. - ben '#1=(nil.#1#) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)
Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious to explore it... What about those of us who never[1] write blogs? Cheers, Ben. [1] OK, I did write one once when I was _really_ pissed off. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html http://www.thebunker.net/ "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
Tetsuya Kitahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Gump's not a person. Like you said, the planet is for authors > > (people) associated with apache. Here is what emacs' "doctor" has to say about its younger electronic colleague: > Yep, Gump is not a person, but a chain restaurant of Shrimp dishes. :) Is it because a chain restaurant of shrimp dishes that you came to me? > The point is -- "CHAIN" reactions of/from subscribers. Why do you say the point is chain reactions of from subscribers? > The messages from Jakarta Gump would never affect to the other > subscribers' opinions/participations. Earlier you said a chain restaurant of shrimp dishes? > "Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what > you are going to get!" ... ;-) What makes you believe planet might want to have this box? I have to concur with the mighty emacs - what makes you believe that planet wants to have this particular box? If I read people's online journals, I'd want to read about people, not the activities of some script. Ciao, -- David N. Welton Consulting: http://www.dedasys.com/ Personal: http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/ Free Software: http://www.dedasys.com/freesoftware/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gump Spam (was Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?)
> I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed. I believe several others > chimed in with the same sentiment. So, Thom wasn't alone in his assessment > in the situation. And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged, > there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw was > that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities. -- justin I think what caused me most surprise was that I missed the whole darn 'Shut The Gump Up' conversation. If I'd known Gump was pissing folks off so much I'd've pulled it myself (as I did that day when it was producing HTML w/ an open table tag.) What is somewhat amusing is that Gump was pulled for verbosity (and/or boringness) from conversations on a page that I've already stopped reading due to it's verbosity/noise... I know I'm a Neanderthal for saying it, but PlanetApache like this is news://comp.apache w/o kill lists (except for Gump ;-) and as such I feel for the folks trying to read it all. I do apologize for the Gump noise (and I'll shut up after this, here also). I should've have experimented that way, and cost you all filter time. I honestly thought it was content from the community being returned to the community, to be shared, but I guess that was a subjective view, a mistake & spam to many of you. That said, although it is good for folks to "share & electronically bond" via blogs, get to know the people -- not the work, I'd be more inclined to read this if I could get at the work related content. I have enough friends, I judge colleagues via their work/humorous postings not their anecdotes, but for Apache-ites ... I'd love to learn their technical insights/pontifications (if time affordable). I wrote a simple HTML page aggregator (like PlantApache, only less pretty & for a local MT only) here for internal use, and I added per category pages, which I think helps mental filtering. If anybody endeavours to do the same for PlanetApache, I'd sure be interested in using and/or helping. As it stands, unfiltered, PlanetApache is too diverse/content rich for my blood... Finally, any progress from anybody on FOAF type metadata at Apache? As I said, I use PlanetApache to 'test out an author' (see if they amuse/stimulate me) and I'd be just as fine w/ a FOAF chain of relationships as the PlanetApache blog roll. I know many folks reference their blogs via home pages on Apache's servers, but I'm curious about the whole social networks side of things w.r.t an OSS community (or set of communities). I feel there is a benefit for us in there, somehow/someway, and I'd be curious to explore it... regards, Adam -- Experience the Unwired Enterprise: http://www.sybase.com/unwiredenterprise Try Sybase: http://www.try.sybase.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
--On Thursday, January 22, 2004 8:26 AM -0700 "Adam R. B. Jack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs some PMC control... This is *exactly* why Planet Apache isn't part of the ASF. The fact that Thom exposes the RSS listing to the ASF committers is a courtesy. I, for one, posted that Gump should be removed. I believe several others chimed in with the same sentiment. So, Thom wasn't alone in his assessment in the situation. And, as to whether non-ASF content should be blogged, there was discussion about that on the Planet - and the consensus I saw was that we are interested in the person not their ASF activities. -- justin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:32:33 -0500 (EST) Dave Brondsema wrote: > > I see Planet > > Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has > > some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own > > aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. > > Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... > Gump's not a person. Like you said, the planet is for authors (people) > associated with apache. Yep, Gump is not a person, but a chain restaurant of Shrimp dishes. :) The point is -- "CHAIN" reactions of/from subscribers. The messages from Jakarta Gump would never affect to the other subscribers' opinions/participations. "Apache Planet -- is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you are going to get!" ... ;-) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
I'd prefer it not be put back in. If I'm interested in Gump, I'll just subscribe to Gump. I view PlanetApache as an aggregation of individual opinions from the Apache community. BTW: As for the humans, I'd prefer if the whole posting was in the RSS, not just a summary. It really slows down the reading of RSS if you have to use two different applications and toggle between them to access the text... Scott On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: Don't feel too bad about it (its nothing personal!). Hey Leo, you taught me that first part over the last year, no worries there. Community is as community does, I am just being part of the overall process when I make some noise about something. I'm not trying to win (or not loose ;) merely discuss & hear opinions. That said, I'm starting to feel the need to champion the cause of disenfranchised computer bloggers. ;-) Just get yourself a human-written weblog and join that way ;) I have one I just don't feel the itch to post to it. I think I'm at I point where I gain more from subscribing to blogs than posting. For me it is more the medium than the message, at this point... On Gump ... seriously though. If the issue w/ Gump is merely that is it verbose/noisy -- and posts too many items (it does only post once a day) -- anybody mind if I re-subscribe it if I fix that? regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:16:26PM -0500, Brian McCallister wrote: > That is a feature of the individual feeds. People who are sending entry > snippets are choosing to send entry snippets. > The problem is that by looking at an entry, you can't easily tell if it is a partial entry or the whole deal, and will still have to go to their site to see if you got it all. Oh well, I just expected the Summary part of the RSS name to have a little emphasis. > FWIW -- I much prefer full length entries in aggregators. Right, I suppose that calls for two versions. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
That is a feature of the individual feeds. People who are sending entry snippets are choosing to send entry snippets. FWIW -- I much prefer full length entries in aggregators. -Brian On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:11 PM, Mads Toftum wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:03:14AM -0700, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: On Gump ... seriously though. If the issue w/ Gump is merely that is it verbose/noisy -- and posts too many items (it does only post once a day) -- anybody mind if I re-subscribe it if I fix that? Looking at the example link you provided, it is more than that - auto generated content doesn't fit with the rest of the content there. Making it only one or two lines / day would certainly make it easier on the eyes, but it doesn't make it less inappropriate. It's a bit like stapling together a printout of /var/log/messages and sticking it on the shelf along with the crime novels ;) But on the general topic of verbosity, it seems wrong to me that some entries are there in their entirety and others are only a short summary. It would be much nice if only the summary, or something like a couple of lines were shown - instead of having posting that vary from one or two lines to several pages. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Jan 22, 2004, at 12:03 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: That said, I'm starting to feel the need to champion the cause of disenfranchised computer bloggers. ;-) AliceBlog! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:03:14AM -0700, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: > On Gump ... seriously though. If the issue w/ Gump is merely that is it > verbose/noisy -- and posts too many items (it does only post once a day) -- > anybody mind if I re-subscribe it if I fix that? > Looking at the example link you provided, it is more than that - auto generated content doesn't fit with the rest of the content there. Making it only one or two lines / day would certainly make it easier on the eyes, but it doesn't make it less inappropriate. It's a bit like stapling together a printout of /var/log/messages and sticking it on the shelf along with the crime novels ;) But on the general topic of verbosity, it seems wrong to me that some entries are there in their entirety and others are only a short summary. It would be much nice if only the summary, or something like a couple of lines were shown - instead of having posting that vary from one or two lines to several pages. vh Mads Toftum -- `Darn it, who spiked my coffee with water?!' - lwall - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
> Don't feel too bad about it (its nothing personal!). Hey Leo, you taught me that first part over the last year, no worries there. Community is as community does, I am just being part of the overall process when I make some noise about something. I'm not trying to win (or not loose ;) merely discuss & hear opinions. That said, I'm starting to feel the need to champion the cause of disenfranchised computer bloggers. ;-) > Just get yourself a human-written weblog and join that way ;) I have one I just don't feel the itch to post to it. I think I'm at I point where I gain more from subscribing to blogs than posting. For me it is more the medium than the message, at this point... On Gump ... seriously though. If the issue w/ Gump is merely that is it verbose/noisy -- and posts too many items (it does only post once a day) -- anybody mind if I re-subscribe it if I fix that? regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
> The gump feed could hardly be called "microcontent". It was rather > content spam. Due to it's verbosity or it's boringness? Those are things I can accept (if only I could apply them to some others ;-). Inappropriate content is another. It seems a bit of a shame we've already started cutting sources off... > Just when they removed it, I was thinking about a suggestion: write a > small filter that would "compress" a whole RSS into just one RSS entry, > for gump-like feeds. I do the suggestion now, for similar unbalances. Personally, I think we are hitting a flaw in the medium/tooling. Some authors (computer or human) are a bore (verbosity or content) and here we've gone from "pull" (direct access to feed) to "push" (PlanetApache) --- which makes bores really stand out more. I'd like to think there was a middle ground between push and pull in this space, but perhaps there isn't & can't be. I enjoy blogging for 'group filtering' -- the shared experiences/interests of a community of likeminded(ish) folks -- for seeing through anopther's eyes. For that you take the noise (travel reports) [or call that 'colour'] for the gold (the insights into world views.) Perhaps the software on PlanetApache can have throttling, or 'ranking', and one earns a position up top of page through community respect (links ala google, or FOAF recommendations, or ...). The 'raw feed' page that is PlanetApache is a jumble. [I've been looking for an OSS aggregator w/ such intelligence, but not found one. Might be nice to work w/ folks to create one...] > OTOH, feel free to steal the code of Thom and Ted and organize your own > "trueplanetapache", "constellationapache", whatever Why on earth would I? It is far more interesting to explore this group dynamic. Everybody has their own take on what this could be, what it should be, and what is fun. I'm just trying to explore the boundaries. regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
Thom and Ted, IIRC. I agreed with the decision. Several others did as well, apparently. I think if gump's postings were limited to a 1-or-2-paragraph message once a day, it might've been different. OTOH...reading a build failure just isn't as much fun as reading about someone's holiday. The former is work, the latter is a break away from work :D Hmmm. I guess a characterizing part of many weblogs is that they are a lot more personal than what is said on a mailing list (for example). The characteristic of the gump feed is that it's machine-generated. Which is not personal at all. It is useful (like bugzilla reports or jira reports or automated reports from other infrastructural services), but its not personal. Don't feel too bad about it (its nothing personal!). Just get yourself a human-written weblog and join that way ;) cheers! - LSD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El jueves, 22 ener, 2004, a las 17:04 Europe/Madrid, Adam R. B. Jack escribió: What was in that feed? I missed it. From config.ini: #[http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.rss] #name = Jakarta Gump #face = http://gui.apache.org/images/apache_feather_bullet.gif See also: http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.html How would an automated feed be in any way like the rest of what's on ApachePlanet? It isn't. From the responses so far, I guess I missed the point of PlanetApache. There is a time and a place for random musing on random topics by random (loosly connected) folks, I think the title of this site just confused me... ;-) "Recall also, that planet isn't an apache project, it is Thom's pet project." Ok, fair enough, so be it. I was hoping to "come play" also, with some content that I felt might be of interest to Apache folks. I am curious about software interacting w/ humans/communities via microcontent, but apparently that is out in left field for this endeavour. The gump feed could hardly be called "microcontent". It was rather content spam. Just when they removed it, I was thinking about a suggestion: write a small filter that would "compress" a whole RSS into just one RSS entry, for gump-like feeds. I do the suggestion now, for similar unbalances. OTOH, feel free to steal the code of Thom and Ted and organize your own "trueplanetapache", "constellationapache", whatever regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAD/h+MGY6e0B83Y0RAtIjAJ9gu8/tlVgPLVY5kWx5phiH2y23bQCgnRVk T/iRo9Y/Ira7CcJ7VWhrl8A= =n1GT -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: > I see Planet > Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has > some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own > aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. > Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... Gump's not a person. Like you said, the planet is for authors (people) associated with apache. -- Dave Brondsema [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.brondsema.net - personal http://www.splike.com - programming http://csx.calvin.edu - Calvin club - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
> I think if gump were a little less verbose it would be a good addition, > personally. Maybe the whole gump result set as one entry would work > better. I like the *idea* of it being there, the initial practice of it > was just... verbose =) And some of the human bloggers weren't verbose? ;-) I've tried to trim the algorythm as best I could, it only posts the first time a change of state occurs (the first failure, the first success), however we did have a little flurry of those. Somebody fixed something which meant a bunch new projects sprang back to health. Maybe I can trim it further by not posting if something goes into 'pre-requisite failure' or comes back to health from 'pre-requisite failure', i.e. only when projects affect their own changes. That said, throttling the verbose folks seems a general problem w/ this form of aggregation. I've seen (gut feel) a reasonable increase in postings from folks since this new forum of syndication was published. I think this effect of PlanetApache has been to change "I'm posting this for me, and for whomever wishes to listen to me" to "I'm posting this for me, and all those folks reading that page...". I don't think Gump was so affected, but the humans appear to have been. Who throttles them? ;-) regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
I think if gump were a little less verbose it would be a good addition, personally. Maybe the whole gump result set as one entry would work better. I like the *idea* of it being there, the initial practice of it was just... verbose =) -Brian On Jan 22, 2004, at 11:04 AM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: What was in that feed? I missed it. From config.ini: #[http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.rss] #name = Jakarta Gump #face = http://gui.apache.org/images/apache_feather_bullet.gif See also: http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.html How would an automated feed be in any way like the rest of what's on ApachePlanet? It isn't. From the responses so far, I guess I missed the point of PlanetApache. There is a time and a place for random musing on random topics by random (loosly connected) folks, I think the title of this site just confused me... ;-) "Recall also, that planet isn't an apache project, it is Thom's pet project." Ok, fair enough, so be it. I was hoping to "come play" also, with some content that I felt might be of interest to Apache folks. I am curious about software interacting w/ humans/communities via microcontent, but apparently that is out in left field for this endeavour. regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
> What was in that feed? I missed it. From config.ini: #[http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.rss] #name = Jakarta Gump #face = http://gui.apache.org/images/apache_feather_bullet.gif See also: http://lsd.student.utwente.nl/gump/index.html > How would an automated feed be in > any way like the rest of what's on ApachePlanet? It isn't. From the responses so far, I guess I missed the point of PlanetApache. There is a time and a place for random musing on random topics by random (loosly connected) folks, I think the title of this site just confused me... ;-) > "Recall also, that planet isn't an apache project, it is Thom's pet project." Ok, fair enough, so be it. I was hoping to "come play" also, with some content that I felt might be of interest to Apache folks. I am curious about software interacting w/ humans/communities via microcontent, but apparently that is out in left field for this endeavour. regards, Adam - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
The PMC for planet voted (Thom and Ted) and decided to remove it ;-) Planet is a community aggregator, not a project status aggregator. Recall also, that planet isn't an apache project, it is Thom's pet project. There was a big fuss about making sure it wasn't able to be construed as official in any way shape or form (note the continued lack of a feather, etc). To extend the community focus for evaluating project health: Apache can be considered to be made up of people, not projects. The people happen to work on projects together and those projects form a focus for communities. This runs counter to initial perceptions but is not a bad way of viewing it. -Brian On Jan 22, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: IIRTC (bottom): Thom May removed the Jakarta Gump entry stating "This really is not what planet is about". Now Thom might be correct, it is an opinion, but I don't recall a debate on the worthiness of Gump, nor on exactly what/whom Planet Apache is meant to be for. Is Planet Apache somehow about his travel experiences [http://blog.clearairturbulence.org/blog/life/funwithmaps.html] (not bad, hardly Magellan ;), but not about the health of inter-relationships of Apache projects? Interesting. Sure, Gump is an automated feed, but is it so inappropriate? So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs some PMC control... FWIIW: My observation is that Planet Apache is (at best) going to be only a small percentage on Apache (even on OSS) topics, and it will be highly verbose, and with high noise content ... it is the nature of that sort of simple aggregation. [I'd like to see some form of categories utilized, so it could filter on stuff that said it was Apache related, but I don't see that as likely, if even technically available across tools/feeds.] I see Planet Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... regards, Adam --- - http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/planet/config.ini Revision 1.32 - (download), view (text) (markup) (annotate) - [selected] Wed Jan 21 13:29:44 2004 UTC (25 hours, 33 minutes ago) by thommay Changes since 1.31: +3 -3 lines Diff to previous 1.31 (colored) This really is not what planet is about -- Experience the Unwired Enterprise: http://www.sybase.com/unwiredenterprise Try Sybase: http://www.try.sybase.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: > hardly Magellan ;), but not about the health of inter-relationships of > Apache projects? Interesting. Sure, Gump is an automated feed, but is it so > inappropriate? What was in that feed? I missed it. How would an automated feed be in any way like the rest of what's on ApachePlanet? > So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs some > PMC control... Oh, God no. This does NOT need a PMC, or another mailing list, or to be committeed to death. > FWIIW: My observation is that Planet Apache is (at best) going to be only a > small percentage on Apache (even on OSS) topics, and it will be highly > verbose, and with high noise content ... it is the nature of that sort of > simple aggregation. [I'd like to see some form of categories utilized, so it > could filter on stuff that said it was Apache related, but I don't see that > as likely, if even technically available across tools/feeds.] I see Planet > Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has > some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own > aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. > Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... Where's the fun in that? -- Rich Bowen - [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's more than one way to eat a rhesus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Who decides who is 'worthy' for Planet Apache?
IIRTC (bottom): Thom May removed the Jakarta Gump entry stating "This really is not what planet is about". Now Thom might be correct, it is an opinion, but I don't recall a debate on the worthiness of Gump, nor on exactly what/whom Planet Apache is meant to be for. Is Planet Apache somehow about his travel experiences [http://blog.clearairturbulence.org/blog/life/funwithmaps.html] (not bad, hardly Magellan ;), but not about the health of inter-relationships of Apache projects? Interesting. Sure, Gump is an automated feed, but is it so inappropriate? So, now what? Do I just add it back, or what? Maybe Planet Apache needs some PMC control... FWIIW: My observation is that Planet Apache is (at best) going to be only a small percentage on Apache (even on OSS) topics, and it will be highly verbose, and with high noise content ... it is the nature of that sort of simple aggregation. [I'd like to see some form of categories utilized, so it could filter on stuff that said it was Apache related, but I don't see that as likely, if even technically available across tools/feeds.] I see Planet Apache (as it stands today) as a way to get a flavour of an author, who has some association w/ Apache, to see if I wish to add them to my own aggregator or not. As such, I see no harm in Jakarta Gump participating. Gump at least only ever talks about Apache stuff... regards, Adam http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/planet/config.ini Revision 1.32 - (download), view (text) (markup) (annotate) - [selected] Wed Jan 21 13:29:44 2004 UTC (25 hours, 33 minutes ago) by thommay Changes since 1.31: +3 -3 lines Diff to previous 1.31 (colored) This really is not what planet is about -- Experience the Unwired Enterprise: http://www.sybase.com/unwiredenterprise Try Sybase: http://www.try.sybase.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
