Re: battery life?
On Sun, 31 Mar 2013 09:50:04 +0200 Lukas Märdian wrote: > Am 31.03.2013 09:36, schrieb Liz: > > If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of > > battery life do I expect? > > How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS > > off to give a meaningful figure? > > And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never > > fully charge except off the mains charger?) > > Hi Liz, > > you can find a summary of power-usage information here: > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Power-Management/ > > The battery has a capacity of about 1200mAh, so you can calculate the > battery life for your specific use case. > > Lukas > > Thanks Lukas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life?
Am 31.03.2013 09:36, schrieb Liz: > If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of > battery life do I expect? > How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS > off to give a meaningful figure? > And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never > fully charge except off the mains charger?) Hi Liz, you can find a summary of power-usage information here: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-kernel/page/Power-Management/ The battery has a capacity of about 1200mAh, so you can calculate the battery life for your specific use case. Lukas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
battery life?
If I put my new, unused GTA04 board in my freerunner, what sort of battery life do I expect? How many hours for phone on standby, bluetooth and wireless off, GPS off to give a meaningful figure? And, will the battery charge from any USB 5V input (instead of never fully charge except off the mains charger?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hi, David & others, Bugs fixed in u-boot i posted were directly related to suspend power consumption. It should be fine with latest u-boot posted on the page. Right now i am using FR (my n900 seem a bit died, needs investigation why it can't boot). My FR with qtmoko seem has proper power consumption, through i am using nokia battery now and have no time now to measure consumption with multimeter. Gennady. В Птн, 12/10/2012 в 00:11 +0200, David Garabana Barro пишет: > O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > > > David Garabana Barro writes: > > > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it > should > > > > be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > Any clue on this? > > > > > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. > > > > After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. > > It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... > > > > Thanks you all for the help > > > > -- > > David Garabana Barro > > jabber & google talk ID: da...@garabana.com > > Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 00:11 +0200, David Garabana Barro wrote: > O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > > > David Garabana Barro writes: > > > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it > should > > > > be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > Any clue on this? > > > > > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. > > > > After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. > > It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... > > > > Thanks you all for the help > > > > -- > > David Garabana Barro > > jabber & google talk ID: da...@garabana.com > > Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html > Hi David, Could you please post the current_now measurements with the qi bootloader? Kind regards, Ed ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > David Garabana Barro writes: > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should > > be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > Yes. > > > Any clue on this? > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. After changing u-boot with qi, battery standby time is far better. It seems gennady's u-boot still have some bugs... Thanks you all for the help -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, David Garabana Barro escribiu: > O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > > David Garabana Barro writes: > > > Any clue on this? > > > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. > > Now, I want to do tests with GSM powered off. For this, is it enough if I > boot without inserted SIM card? I answer myself. Booting without SIM card does no change power consumption at all, so it seems qtmoko powers on GSM with or without SIM inserted. So I've made as suggested by gennady in bug report: cd /sys/bus/platform/devices echo 1 > gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on echo 0 > gta02-pm-gsm.0/power_on And now I can see a difference in power consumption, BUT it seems qtmoko won't suspend if you poweroff GSM :( GSM off: On battery and display at 80% [1] brightness: 197 mA On battery and display dimmed: 123 mA On battery and display off: 117 mA On resume: ?? mA There are almost not deviations in power consumption with GSM powered off, which I suppose is normal. Being timeouts configured as: Dim:1 m Display off:3 m Suspend:5 m And using the same script as before This is the output of script in a full cycle (only pasting changes in current_now values) Sun Oct 7 13:55:22 CEST 2012 199875 [..] Sun Oct 7 13:56:08 CEST 2012 199875 Sun Oct 7 13:56:13 CEST 2012 124687 [..] Sun Oct 7 13:57:49 CEST 2012 124687 Sun Oct 7 13:57:54 CEST 2012 118500 -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: > On Sunday, October 07, 2012 06:52:42 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: > Maybe stupid questions - but do you have USB cable connected? In this case > it will not suspend. On battery it should suspend after configured > interval. You can try lock the home screen - the preconfigured interval in > this case is 10s. I asked this before Timo's answer. Now I know I can read it from current_now just after waking up. As you say, it would be better to have "charge_now", but by the moment this is an acceptable approximation... -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > David Garabana Barro writes: > > Any clue on this? > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. For these tests I flashed Qi from qtmoko repositories, so we can discard any problem with u-boot. GSM on: On battery and display at 80% [1] brightness: ~200-210 mA On battery and display dimmed: ~130-135 mA On battery and display off: ~120-130 mA On resume: ~12-18 mA Being timeouts configured as: Dim:1 m Display off:3 m Suspend:5 m And using this script: while true; do echo "`date` `cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now`" >>/var/log/power.log; sleep 5; done This is the output of script in a full cycle (only pasting changes in current_now values) Sun Oct 7 10:39:59 CEST 2012 200250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:40:45 CEST 2012 200250 Sun Oct 7 10:40:50 CEST 2012 134062 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:41:35 CEST 2012 134062 Sun Oct 7 10:41:40 CEST 2012 131437 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:42:26 CEST 2012 131437 Sun Oct 7 10:42:31 CEST 2012 128250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:43:16 CEST 2012 128250 Sun Oct 7 10:43:22 CEST 2012 123375 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:44:07 CEST 2012 123375 Sun Oct 7 10:44:12 CEST 2012 122250 [..] Sun Oct 7 10:44:32 CEST 2012 122250 Sun Oct 7 10:54:16 CEST 2012 12750 Does these valules seem ok for you? Is it normal so little difference (~10mA) between dimmed display and powered off display? Now, I want to do tests with GSM powered off. For this, is it enough if I boot without inserted SIM card? [1] Default qtmoko on-battery max brightness -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro writes: > And I'm wondering, if suspended, it won't log anything, won't it? current_now has a lag of about 20 seconds. If you read it right after resume you can get suspend consumption. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Domingo, 7 de Outubro de 2012, David Garabana Barro escribiu: > btw, I'm using latest gennady's u-boot, and it seems to still poweron > gps... I wasn't using gennady's u-boot. I have just flashed it, I'll try it and post results. -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: > On Thursday, October 04, 2012 09:04:00 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: > > O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > > > David Garabana Barro writes: > > > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it > > > > should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Thanks > > > > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. > > > > How can I do it? > > Is there any wiki page about it? > > The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides > QtMoko has the information about current consumption on the home screen > (near the lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last > suspend). And finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. I'm trying with #!/bin/sh while true do cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_now >>/var/log/power.log sleep 1 done but if running the script, qtmoko won't enter suspend And I'm wondering, if suspended, it won't log anything, won't it? Sorry if an obvious question, but how can I measure suspended current draw? btw, I'm using latest gennady's u-boot, and it seems to still poweron gps... -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Venres, 5 de Outubro de 2012, Giacomo 'giotti' Mariani escribiu: > Anyway, a strange thinks happened. > In the last few days my QtMoko lightning icon started saying > number/0mA, where number is an integer reasonably representing the > consumption (negative if charging). Same here. Cant read last suspend current, it's allways 0. -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hello Everyone, > The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides > QtMoko > has the information about current consumption on the home screen (near the > lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last suspend). > And > finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. My freerunner, usually last in suspend between one and two days, depending on the weather (I think the quality of the GSM signal). Anyway, a strange thinks happened. In the last few days my QtMoko lightning icon started saying number/0mA, where number is an integer reasonably representing the consumption (negative if charging). But the last suspend is always 0. (Maybe, it started after the last update of the theme via apt, but I'm not sure.) Could it be due to the breaking of the soldering of #1024 fix? I did not check if the soldering is still there, but recently, a few times, when exiting from the suspend, I see the "no network" and "searching from network" icons. > > If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA Previously I had that value shown. > > Regards > > Radek Cheers, Giacomo -- ## giacomo 'giotti' mariani gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-key 0x99bfa859 O< ASCII ribbon campaign: stop HTML mail www.asciiribbon.org ## ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Friday, October 05, 2012 09:59:55 AM Adrien Dorsaz wrote: > I've just seen yesterday that this option was unchecked on my GTA02 and > now suspend current is between 10..12mA too instead of 25mA. Great, this looks good now. Btw it's unchecked by default because not all HW have deep sleep fixed and on non fixed it would make problems. > As I've seen on openmoko.org deep sleep seems related to the #1024 (so > the gsm suspend). Does this option only suspend the GSM or also > wifi/bluetooth (I don't know if it's the case with a simple suspend) ? Wifi and bluetooth are IIRC turned off before going to sleep. Wifi has wake-on- wlan function but this has to be explicitly turned on. > Does this bug and fix are also existing on GTA04 or that was solved by > Golden Delicious ? GTA04 has different modem. IIRC i havent seen power consumption numbers for the modem. I havent found any AT commands for deep sleep - it's quite likely that the modem does this automatically. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hello! > > If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA > I've just seen yesterday that this option was unchecked on my GTA02 and now suspend current is between 10..12mA too instead of 25mA. As I've seen on openmoko.org deep sleep seems related to the #1024 (so the gsm suspend). Does this option only suspend the GSM or also wifi/bluetooth (I don't know if it's the case with a simple suspend) ? Does this bug and fix are also existing on GTA04 or that was solved by Golden Delicious ? Regards, Adrien ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro writes: > How can I do it? > Is there any wiki page about it? The bug report that you linked to talks about different ways to do that. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Thursday, October 04, 2012 09:04:00 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: > O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > > David Garabana Barro writes: > > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it > > > should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > > > Yes. > > Thanks > > > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. > > How can I do it? > Is there any wiki page about it? The trac ticket you are reffering to has commands how to do it. Besides QtMoko has the information about current consumption on the home screen (near the lightning icon e.g. 300/12mA which means 300mA now, 12mA in last suspend). And finally you can even read the current_now sysfs file. If you enable deep sleep the values should be something like 10..12mA Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Timo Juhani Lindfors escribiu: > David Garabana Barro writes: > > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should > > be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? > > Yes. Thanks > Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. How can I do it? Is there any wiki page about it? -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
O Xoves, 4 de Outubro de 2012, Radek Polak escribiu: > > Is this standby time normal for this version? > > What is your standby time? > But i have never had dumb battery so cant help much here. The original > openmoko battery has the advantage, that you immediately see if something > is wrong. All my batteries are original, not dumb. I've bough it at pulster.de, Christoph still sells them -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:05:35 AM David Garabana Barro wrote: > Any clue on this? > Is this standby time normal for this version? > What is your standby time? I am not regulary using GTA02 anymore, but i charged my GTA02 with original openmoko battery and left it on my table on Thursday. When i came from small holidays on Sunday and pressed POWER button it woke up. So 3 days in suspend should be normal. But i have never had dumb battery so cant help much here. The original openmoko battery has the advantage, that you immediately see if something is wrong. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
David Garabana Barro writes: > I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be > fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Yes. > Any clue on this? Can you measure the power consumption please? With and without GSM. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
On 10/04/2012 12:05 AM, David Garabana Barro wrote: Hi I've finally gave up with SHR. Around 2010 June-July, I had a mostly stable daily phone, rock solid gps, really great battery life (#1024 fixed, 3-4 days standby time), and I was very very happy. But since then, my sd card sttoped working realibly, my phone doesn't wake up from suspend, gps intermitently fails, and I cannot say about battery life, because it's almost impossible to last 1 day without a freeze... In late 2011 I had a baby, and I left Neo unused for a while. I had no time to fight with so many problems. I was using a dumb phone as my daily phone, and giving all my time to my baby :) Now I want to use FR again, and give qtmoko a chance. I'm really surprised with the state of all functions. Almost everything works flawlessly, new theme is AMAZING, I can even use my own WPA2 home wifi. Last time I got it working with neo was with FDOM (LOOONG time ago). SD card works again (I'm booting qtmoko from sd card, so I can say it works completely stable). I'm very happy... but with battery life. Usually I get only about 12 hours standby time, and many less if I use it a little. My Neo is #1024 fixed, I have activated deep sleep both in neocontrol and in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf [1] I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Any clue on this? Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? P.S. I have two brand new batteries, so you can discard a broken battery... [1] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=FAQ#How_about_power_save_of_Calypso.2C_the_GSM_modem_-_bug_.231024 -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID: da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html Hi David, I had the same reason for swap to QTmoko from SHR some weeks before. I found it very stable and usable. Thanks to all developers. My standby times vary - but usually without touching it it's somewhere around 24 hours and probably more. I am on the way to play with that deep sleep of GSM modem and can share my findings (I do not have deep sleep enabled yet). -- Peter Viskup ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bye SHR, hello QTMoko (and battery life)
Hi I've finally gave up with SHR. Around 2010 June-July, I had a mostly stable daily phone, rock solid gps, really great battery life (#1024 fixed, 3-4 days standby time), and I was very very happy. But since then, my sd card sttoped working realibly, my phone doesn't wake up from suspend, gps intermitently fails, and I cannot say about battery life, because it's almost impossible to last 1 day without a freeze... In late 2011 I had a baby, and I left Neo unused for a while. I had no time to fight with so many problems. I was using a dumb phone as my daily phone, and giving all my time to my baby :) Now I want to use FR again, and give qtmoko a chance. I'm really surprised with the state of all functions. Almost everything works flawlessly, new theme is AMAZING, I can even use my own WPA2 home wifi. Last time I got it working with neo was with FDOM (LOOONG time ago). SD card works again (I'm booting qtmoko from sd card, so I can say it works completely stable). I'm very happy... but with battery life. Usually I get only about 12 hours standby time, and many less if I use it a little. My Neo is #1024 fixed, I have activated deep sleep both in neocontrol and in /opt/qtmoko/etc/default/Trolltech/Modem.conf [1] I've read about http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349, but it should be fixed in qtmoko's 2.6.34, isn't it? Any clue on this? Is this standby time normal for this version? What is your standby time? P.S. I have two brand new batteries, so you can discard a broken battery... [1] http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/qtmoko/index.php?title=FAQ#How_about_power_save_of_Calypso.2C_the_GSM_modem_- _bug_.231024 -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
So this is how you suspend the phone, with manual lock :) I was thinking you use power button to suspend it. I don't want to lose 2 hours of suspend just because I talk 10 minutes with the screen on. Other applications, like chess and fbreader can block (?) screen dimming. As for autounlocking when receiving a call/sms, I think is a bad ideea, but I don't know what can be done without coding. On 6/24/11, Radek Polak wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:46:10 Noel wrote: > >> This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power >> management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for >> 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any >> unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change >> these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the >> screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen >> will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. > > If you lock the screen it should always suspend after 20s. I am using QtMoko > with default values and i has worked quite nice so far and on the other hand > i > am not bothered with screen dimming e.g. when reading or playing chess. > > It's quite hard/impossible to set defaults so that everyone is happy. But > any > suggestions are welcome. > > Regards > > Radek > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:46:10 Noel wrote: > This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power > management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for > 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any > unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change > these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the > screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen > will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. If you lock the screen it should always suspend after 20s. I am using QtMoko with default values and i has worked quite nice so far and on the other hand i am not bothered with screen dimming e.g. when reading or playing chess. It's quite hard/impossible to set defaults so that everyone is happy. But any suggestions are welcome. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
I've started to keep NeoControl running all the time. With my deepsleep/fixed phone, on resume I see the current between 12000-24000 (2.6.34/qtmoko). With my old battery showing 857000 for current full, I guess it could sleep between 35 and 72 hours. The problem is that when active, the current is between 25-35, about 2.5-3.5 hours. If I keep the screen on (talking or not) for 20-30 minutes, which is not uncommon, I have no chance to use the phone the next day without charging it. This is with default settings, which are very dangerous: in power management, when not plugged, the policy for 'dim light' is off, for 'display off' is off and for 'suspend' is off. This means that any unnoticed sms or missed call will keep the screen on. I can change these settings, but it bothers me that any event will unlock the screen, the neo can make phone calls in my pocket or the touchscreen will stay active while walking with no chance to autosuspend. On 6/9/11, Christoph Pulster wrote: > Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something > about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious > improvment. > > thanks, > Chris > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
On 10/06/2011 17:45, Francesco De Vita wrote: Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious improvment. thanks, Chris Hi! I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I used the gps for 5 minutes. Regards Joif Hi, I've got the same kind of experience as Joif with my Freerunner / Qtmoko v35 / kernel 2.6.34 Regards, Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: battery life with QtMoko
Do you have deep sleep enabled? Is your battery in good condition? I had 5 days - that was measured with 2.6.37 kernel - but that kernel had some bug for me which prevent from daily use (sometimes didnt wake or woken with vibrator on). Deep sleep enabled and the battery seems to be in good condition. I use my moko as a daily phone so I can't make an accurate test for now. Five days is really good! Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Francesco De Vita wrote: > Hi! > I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 > hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I > used the gps for 5 minutes. Do you have deep sleep enabled? Is your battery in good condition? I had 5 days - that was measured with 2.6.37 kernel - but that kernel had some bug for me which prevent from daily use (sometimes didnt wake or woken with vibrator on). I havent tried current 2.6.34 kernel. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Does anybody has flashed the latest QtMoko and can report something about battery standby time ? I remember Radek mention a serious improvment. thanks, Chris Hi! I didn't make any precise measure but I can say that my neo after 32 hours is in (very) low battery, I only sent few messages (sms) and I used the gps for 5 minutes. Regards Joif ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 battery life
Thanks a lot for your reply. I did change that value and I'll test it. Thanks Tony On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Radek Polak wrote: > On Thursday 23 September 2010 17:59:35 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > > > Tony Berth writes: > > > when pressing the on/off button once and setting to suspend, the > battery > > > doesn't last more than 8h! Is that supposed to be like this? > > > > Are you hit by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349 ? > > Not likely - only possible with experimental version v25. > > Please set proper suspend intervals in Settings->Power management: unplug > the > phone from charger/PC and make sure you have "On battery" suspend interval > set > to something reasonable (20s..5minutes - depends how you use your phone.). > > Otherwise you phone can wake up (e.g. because call/SMS/alarm) and will > never > suspend again. > > I think i will set some intervals right in the image for next version. > > Regards > > Radek > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 battery life
On Thursday 23 September 2010 17:59:35 Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > Tony Berth writes: > > when pressing the on/off button once and setting to suspend, the battery > > doesn't last more than 8h! Is that supposed to be like this? > > Are you hit by http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket//2349 ? Not likely - only possible with experimental version v25. Please set proper suspend intervals in Settings->Power management: unplug the phone from charger/PC and make sure you have "On battery" suspend interval set to something reasonable (20s..5minutes - depends how you use your phone.). Otherwise you phone can wake up (e.g. because call/SMS/alarm) and will never suspend again. I think i will set some intervals right in the image for next version. Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 battery life
В Чтв, 23/09/2010 в 17:54 +0200, Tony Berth пишет: > when pressing the on/off button once and setting to suspend, the > battery doesn't last more than 8h! Is that supposed to be like > this? > Hi, Tony. No, 8h is far from being normal. Be sure your phone is actually suspended. #2349 should affect only .32 and .34 kernels. Does your phone have #1024 fix? If yes, check that in NEOTool you turned on deep sleep. Try to turn on/off all devices like GPS, bluetooth and wifi. Which bootloader you using? If u-boot, try qi. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: qtmoko v26 battery life
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when pressing the on/off button once and setting to suspend, the battery doesn't last more than 8h! Is that supposed to be like this? Thanks Tony ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
Hi, you can save power by lowing GPS sampling rate: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#Configuration_for_a_higher_sampling_rate AFAIK, sample rate should be configurable between 0.250-64 seconds. Look at UBX protocol documentation for more power saving options: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GPS#UBX_protocol Regards, Martix 2010/9/10, Xavier Cremaschi : > Hi folks, > > if I want to use my FR as a GPS track logger (for an OSM mapping party > for example), what is the best way to save battery life ? > > It seems that GPS chip is able to keep the fix while FR is suspended > (/sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend), but I need > the CPU to log data, don't I ? > > Currently, I think I would do something like this : > - shut down GSM (FR is also my phone) > - launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging > - let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen > will keep it up) > > Any idea ? > Xavier. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
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Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
you have qgpslog as an only logging app.
2010/9/10 Timo Juhani Lindfors
> Xavier Cremaschi writes:
> > It seems that GPS chip is able to keep the fix while FR is suspended
> > (/sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend), but I need
> > the CPU to log data, don't I ?
>
> The GSM chip has an ARM cpu. It is possible to run code on it and
> modify it to buffer the data to its own memory so that you only need
> to wake the main CPU once every 10 minutes or so.
>
> > - launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging
>
> tangogps consumes cpu time uselessly. I just
>
> echo
> '?WATCH={"class":"WATCH","enable":true,"json":false,"nmea":true,"raw":0,"scaled":false,"timing":false}'
> | nc localhost gpsd > $HOME/gps/`date -Iseconds`.dump
>
> currently with gpsd.
>
> > - let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen
> > will keep it up)
>
> I have been using
>
> http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/touchscreen-lock.c
>
> for a year or so. It locks the touchscreen so that X does not see any
> events unless you swipe the screen slowly from top to bottom with your
> finger.
>
> > if I want to use my FR as a GPS track logger (for an OSM mapping party
> > for example), what is the best way to save battery life ?
>
> I carry a set of external usb batteries with me when mapping. See
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/user:lindi
>
> for more info.
>
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Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
Xavier Cremaschi writes:
> It seems that GPS chip is able to keep the fix while FR is suspended
> (/sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend), but I need
> the CPU to log data, don't I ?
The GSM chip has an ARM cpu. It is possible to run code on it and
modify it to buffer the data to its own memory so that you only need
to wake the main CPU once every 10 minutes or so.
> - launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging
tangogps consumes cpu time uselessly. I just
echo
'?WATCH={"class":"WATCH","enable":true,"json":false,"nmea":true,"raw":0,"scaled":false,"timing":false}'
| nc localhost gpsd > $HOME/gps/`date -Iseconds`.dump
currently with gpsd.
> - let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen
> will keep it up)
I have been using
http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/touchscreen-lock.c
for a year or so. It locks the touchscreen so that X does not see any
events unless you swipe the screen slowly from top to bottom with your
finger.
> if I want to use my FR as a GPS track logger (for an OSM mapping party
> for example), what is the best way to save battery life ?
I carry a set of external usb batteries with me when mapping. See
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/user:lindi
for more info.
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Re: How to maximize GPS battery life ?
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Xavier Cremaschi wrote: > Currently, I think I would do something like this : > - launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging There is an app specifically made for GPS logging (OMGPSLOG???) that does not do any 'fancy' calculations and does not display bitmap graphics. So if it's _just_ logging, you don't need the maps.. > - let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen > will keep it up) I've thought about letting the AUX button (when pressed for 5 seconds) turn off the touch screen. You can unlock by pressing AUX, and no touch screen -> no waking up! Christ van Willegen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
How to maximize GPS battery life ?
Hi folks, if I want to use my FR as a GPS track logger (for an OSM mapping party for example), what is the best way to save battery life ? It seems that GPS chip is able to keep the fix while FR is suspended (/sys/devices/platform/gta02-pm-gps.0/keep_on_in_suspend), but I need the CPU to log data, don't I ? Currently, I think I would do something like this : - shut down GSM (FR is also my phone) - launch fsoraw -r GPS tangogps and start logging - let the FR disable display after 30s (problem : any touch on screen will keep it up) Any idea ? Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
At 20:36 +0100 13/12/09, Glenn wrote: >At 17:50 + 13/12/09, Al Johnson wrote: >>On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote: >>> O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu: >>> > Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I >>> > may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have >>> > any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. >>> >>> NiMH will be even worse. >>> They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day... >> >>That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very >>low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I >>previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in >>common with the wikireader. >> >>I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge >>voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices >>stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often >>works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the >>Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger. >... > >Hey! > >It is these batteries: >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery > >Glenn Here you have an older version with a list of battery names: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery&oldid=180982680 Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
At 17:50 + 13/12/09, Al Johnson wrote: >On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote: >> O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu: >> > Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I >> > may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have >> > any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. >> >> NiMH will be even worse. >> They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day... > >That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very >low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I >previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in >common with the wikireader. > >I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge >voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices >stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often >works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the >Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger. ... Hey! It is these batteries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_self-discharge_NiMH_battery Glenn ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
On Saturday 12 December 2009, David Garabana Barro wrote: > O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu: > > Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I > > may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have > > any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. > > NiMH will be even worse. > They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day... That depends on the NiMH. Several manufacturers are now making them with very low self discharge (~5%/month). They work very well in applications where I previously stuck to alkalines, such as my Psion 5 which probably has a lot in common with the wikireader. I would also suggest trying a different brand of alkalines. The discharge voltage characteristic varies significantly between brands, and some devices stop working with the battery at a relatively high voltage. The Psion often works well with alkalines that other devices claim are dead. Even when the Psion has finished with them, they can be recharged with a suitable charger. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
O Sábado, 12 de Decembro de 2009, Jeff escribiu: > Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I > may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have > any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. NiMH will be even worse. They autodischarge 5-10% on first day, and 1% every next day... -- David Garabana Barro jabber & google talk ID:da...@garabana.com Clave pública PGP/GPG: http://davide.garabana.com/pgp.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
Alkaline, the original energizer batteries that came with the device. I may have some NiMH batteries lying around somewhere, but I don't have any AAA lithium polymer nor a suitable charger. Alex Teiche wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff <mailto:jcolb...@netins.net>> wrote: > > I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a > month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of > on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life > advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs > tweaking. > > Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? > > Jeff > > > I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium > batteries? The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over > time, so that often they will not be able to power an electronic > device even though they are not fully discharged. Lithium batteries > are best for things like the WikiReader because the voltage stays > constant for the most part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [WikiReader] Battery Life
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Jeff wrote: > I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a > month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of > on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life > advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking. > > Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? > > Jeff > I don't have a WikiReader, but are you using Alkaline or Lithium batteries? The voltage of Alkali based batteries will decrease over time, so that often they will not be able to power an electronic device even though they are not fully discharged. Lithium batteries are best for things like the WikiReader because the voltage stays constant for the most part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[WikiReader] Battery Life
I just burned through the 2nd set of batteries with my wikireader in a month and a half. I know I have averaged less than 15 minutes a day of on time, so I am getting no where near the 90 hours of battery life advertised. Don't know if I have a bad one, or if the code needs tweaking. Anyone else notice the battery life has not been so good? Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Battery meter not reading battery life correctly
Adam Jimerson wrote: > Has anyone noticed with the 05/02/2009 release of SHR-Testing that the > battery > meter is not reading correctly? While taking a hike and doing some OSM > tracking I received a Low battery warning, thinking it was real I put an > early > stop to it so I could get it charging before the battery dies but a minute > after I received that warning the battery life jumped back up to 92% and it > was saying I had over 4 hours left. Has this happened to anyone before, and > if so is it fixed in Unstable or does it need reported? > There has always been trouble with battery readings. Illume has a battery warning of its own, which hangs around for a long time. I have often found that warning combined with an ok battery reading. Illume read the battery at a bad moment, and put up its annoying little box. Any battery-reading gadget will see the same problem, but it is not as noticeable without a dialog box. the place to fix this is probably the kernel driver that reports these oddities. There could be an error there. Or perhaps the hardware is flaky and occationally misreports status. In that case, the kernel driver should reject an abrubt drop in voltage unless it persists. I.e. report the "last good" value for a while until it can be sure that a drop isn't just a fluke. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR-Testing] Battery meter not reading battery life correctly
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 16:46, Adam Jimerson wrote: > Has anyone noticed with the 05/02/2009 release of SHR-Testing that the battery > meter is not reading correctly? While taking a hike and doing some OSM > tracking I received a Low battery warning, thinking it was real I put an early > stop to it so I could get it charging before the battery dies but a minute > after I received that warning the battery life jumped back up to 92% and it > was saying I had over 4 hours left. Has this happened to anyone before, and > if so is it fixed in Unstable or does it need reported? Sometimes that happens when driver fails to get battery details. Tap on battery, and you will see, if measure is correct ;) But that happens to me really rare... and i'm using FR as my daily phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[SHR-Testing] Battery meter not reading battery life correctly
Has anyone noticed with the 05/02/2009 release of SHR-Testing that the battery meter is not reading correctly? While taking a hike and doing some OSM tracking I received a Low battery warning, thinking it was real I put an early stop to it so I could get it charging before the battery dies but a minute after I received that warning the battery life jumped back up to 92% and it was saying I had over 4 hours left. Has this happened to anyone before, and if so is it fixed in Unstable or does it need reported? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
Am Mi 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Francesco Cat: > FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. Nope, FR sets MAXIMUM USB current to either 0.1, 0.5, or 1A depending on what's detected to be connected. This doesn't mean it won't work with 600mA. Either you set FR to 500mA and lose ~100mA of power source, or you figure out what's going to happen when we push the limit to 1A and power source goes down with voltage at ~600mA until FR doesn't pull any more than that, might work too. At least see wallcharger that CAN deliver 2A, but happily feeds FR with just 1A. > So yes, it will be > "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer > life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to > need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like > 250mA. It's 500 or 100. You can set arbitrary USB current limits by software, overriding the built-in detection. So a current limit of 250mA or 630mA is perfectly feasible I think. See spec of PCF50633 PMU. > > BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... YEP! You'll need a LDO-regulator for 5V. 6.5V will burn the device and give you a very expensive yet exclusive doorstopper. /jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
Am Di 1. Juli 2008 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are > interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some > company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the > gta02 > thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear > cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and > interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at > it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. Don't forget there is WiFi and BT antenna on the backside, which you mustn't cover by a big battery. GPS at top of device is no problem though, I think, as long as it has it's 5mm clearance to next metal (the ceramic zone). cheers jOERG signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Battery life & case design
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 00:04 +0200, Diego Fdez. Durán wrote: > El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: > > A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of > > an external battery pack > > What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? > > The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct > sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? Personally, I'll be using a Solio Hybrid Charger (http://www.solio.com/charger/) with a Mini-USB tip and a max output of [EMAIL PROTECTED], so it should be able to put out the 500mA the Neo wants for fast charge (I know it can output 500mA because that's what the Blackberry 8830 wants and I have successfully charged one). Even the Hybrid 1000 can output 1.2A but I'm not sure it has enough capacity to fully charge a FreeRunner). -KW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
These kind of devices produce that voltage in direct sunlight - but only if there is no load connected (open circuit voltage) - the connection to the device will pull the voltage down to circ. 5V. This is the same as with the larger panels - a 12V panel will produce 20V open circuit. solar.george On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 00:34:05 +0200 "Francesco Cat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be > "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer > life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to > need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like > 250mA. It's 500 or 100. > > BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a > USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: > >> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also > >> thought of an external battery pack > > > > What about this: > > http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? > > > > The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct > > sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? > > > > > >> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM > >> To: community@lists.openmoko.org > >> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design > >> > >> Mikko Rauhala wrote: > >> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: > >> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will > >> >> be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy > >> >> the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone > >> >> would be heavy). > >> > > >> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was > >> > suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a > >> > large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism > >> > misses the point entirely. > >> > > >> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending > >> > on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for > >> > largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for > >> > getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful > >> > stuff. > >> > > >> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting > >> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would > >> > like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq > >> > and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) > >> > > >> > >> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I > >> was pretty > >> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its > >> called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and > >> where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include > >> WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it > >> can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last > >> with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. > >> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to > >> make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which > >> you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most > >> other if all other phones do not do > >> > >> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a > >> new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery > >> in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. > >> I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software > >> ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be > >> switched on at all times. > >> > >> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a > >> platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I > >> started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine > >> with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting > >> to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC
RE: Battery life & case design
Well conceptually there are these options. 1. Humped backed whale. A battery that fits our slot mechanically but is thicker. Custom battery and custom back panel. 2. Tethers. Tether power into USB from external source. Tether power into the battery slot via crazy rube goldberg device. So, conceptually those are the options. -Original Message- From: Diego Fdez. Durán [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:04 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Battery life & case design El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: > A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also > thought of an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? > ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: Battery life & case design > > Mikko Rauhala wrote: > > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: > >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be > >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the > >> phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). > > > > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting > > for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery > > back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. > > > > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on > > bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely > > the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have > > more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. > > > > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting > > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like > > to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend > > are progressing, that would be interesting.) > > > > Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was > pretty > excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its > called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are > I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also > knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you > imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? > kind of makes the idea a no go. > Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make > the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly > be lost without... also its something that most other if all other > phones do not do > > So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new > deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it > then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as > time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the > openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. > > I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a > platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I > started using the > gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). > However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the > gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a > while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the > idea of a mobile :-) > > Regards, > > Jon > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
FR only accepts 100 or 500 mA current I think. So yes, it will be "powered" by it in the sense that the FR battery will have a longer life; but it should not be enought i think because the FR seems to need more than 100 mA and I don't think it will accept something like 250mA. It's 500 or 100. BTW: 6.58 Volts??? Strange... It should provide 5Volts to simulate a USB... 2008/7/2 Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: >> A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of >> an external battery pack > > What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? > > The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct > sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? > > >> ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time >> >> Steve >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM >> To: community@lists.openmoko.org >> Subject: Re: Battery life & case design >> >> Mikko Rauhala wrote: >> > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: >> >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be >> >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone >> >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). >> > >> > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for >> > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as >> > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. >> > >> > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang >> > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the >> > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of >> > it on more of the time doing useful stuff. >> > >> > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting >> > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to >> > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are >> > progressing, that would be interesting.) >> > >> >> Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was >> pretty >> excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) >> having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are >> I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows >> where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long >> the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a >> no go. >> Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the >> phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost >> without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not >> do >> >> So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new >> deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I >> think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on >> there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that >> will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. >> >> I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform >> for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the >> gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, >> already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my >> PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually >> leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > -- > Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net > GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Battery life & case design
El mar, 01-07-2008 a las 13:22 -0700, steve escribió: > A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of > an external battery pack What about this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/ ? The specs says: Output power: 6.58 Volts - 320 mA (max) in direct sunlight. Can it power the FreeRunner (power no just charge) ? > ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time > > Steve > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM > To: community@lists.openmoko.org > Subject: Re: Battery life & case design > > Mikko Rauhala wrote: > > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: > >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be > >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone > >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). > > > > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for > > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as > > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. > > > > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang > > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the > > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of > > it on more of the time doing useful stuff. > > > > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting > > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to > > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are > > progressing, that would be interesting.) > > > > Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was > pretty > excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) > having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are > I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows > where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long > the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a > no go. > Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the > phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost > without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not > do > > So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new > deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I > think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on > there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that > will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. > > I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform > for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the > gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, > already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my > PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually > leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) > > Regards, > > Jon > > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Diego Fdez. Durán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.goedi.net GPG : 925C 9A21 7A11 3B13 6E43 50DB F579 D119 90D2 66BB signature.asc Description: Esta parte del mensaje está firmada digitalmente ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Battery life & case design
A deeper back cover is an option. The cad files are open. I also thought of an external battery pack ( maddogg sent me some stuff on it). Lots of ideas, too little time Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:17 AM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Battery life & case design Mikko Rauhala wrote: > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be >> more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone >> only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). > > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. > > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of > it on more of the time doing useful stuff. > > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting > decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to > offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are > progressing, that would be interesting.) > Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
> a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, care to elaborate? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life & case design
Mikko Rauhala wrote: > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: >> Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more >> no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only >> because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). > > Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for > someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as > an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. > > For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang > per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the > reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it > on more of the time doing useful stuff. > > Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent > standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a > short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are > progressing, that would be interesting.) > Thankyou, that is exactly what I was suggesting. For instance, I was pretty excited over the ideas for the mybot program (is that what its called?) having a phone that alters its behaviour based on GPS and where you are I'd like to take that idea further and include WIFI so the phone also knows where it is based on what SSIDs it can find but can you imagine how long the phone would last with GPS and WIFI turned on?? kind of makes the idea a no go. Which is a shame as such functionality really goes a long way to make the phone a transparent and intelligent technology which you'd quickly be lost without... also its something that most other if all other phones do not do So in short if there is anyone who has the means to mass produce a new deeper back cover for the phone so we can have a large battery in it then I think it would be in our interest to pursue that. I'm sure as time goes on there will be many other great software ideas for the openmoko/gta02 that will require the goodies to be switched on at all times. I've had a gta02 for a few days now. It really interested me as a platform for my various codings. My old mobile was a P.O.S so I started using the gta02 as a phone straight away (which is fine with some tweaks). However, already I have the habbit of getting to work and plugging the gta02 into my PC's USB port thus whenever I leave the office for a while I usually leave my phone behind which completely defeats the idea of a mobile :-) Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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ti, 2008-07-01 kello 14:35 +0200, Arne Zachlod kirjoitti: > Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more > no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only > because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). Actually reading the text you would have noticed he was suggesting for someone (maybe Openmoko, maybe not) to produce a large battery back as an optional accessory, so your criticism misses the point entirely. For myself, I would be at least somewhat interested (depending on bang per buck, of course; it's not a must-have for me), for largely the reasons the OP mentioned. That is, simply for getting to have more of it on more of the time doing useful stuff. Power management is obviously important regardless, as is getting decent standby time with the default battery. (If anyone would like to offer a short summary to the community on how cpufreq and suspend are progressing, that would be interesting.) -- Mikko Rauhala - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.iki.fi/mjr/> Transhumanist - WTA member - http://www.transhumanism.org/> Singularitarian - SIAI supporter - http://www.singinst.org/> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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> I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are > interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while > some > company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the > gta02 well, there are probably a few ideas now floating around regarding slight modifications to the case (i for one would like a slot for a stylus, preferably one widely used). maybe it would be a good idea to create a wiki page similar to groupsales and check how many people are interested in which modification (never got the hang of the wiki thing, sorry). then somebody able could modify the cad file and we could look for a company offering a good price for group sales of the same part. re the battery: which battery available would fit into the slot (pins and so)? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > Hi, > > I'm totally thrilled with all the goodies crammed into the gta02, and I'm even > more thrilled with the ideas people are having to use these goodies. > > Whats less thrilling is the battery life. Switch on all those goodies and you > have a phone that will be dead in about 5 hours. Its king of like owning a > porche that has a fuel tank the size of a coke can :-) > > I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are > interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some > company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 > thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear > cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and > interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at > it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. > > Has this been discussed at all? anyone have any opinions on this? > > Yes I know there is still some work to be done on the openmoko APM functions. > However when these functions work all they are about is turning stuff off to > extend battery life. > > Given the openmoko demographic, I'd say having a phone thats a few more > millimetres thicker to accomodate a large battery (as in function over design) > is an attractive option... there has to be plenty of takers out there to make > it worth someone's while to tool up and produce the alternative cover and > battery pack. > > Regards, > > Jon > > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > Im not sure, but I think with an even thicker phone there will be more no-geeks who dont care about the freeness who wont buy the phone only because its thick and heavy (and such a phone would be heavy). an the second problem is, the batty we use now is a standard-battery, u can buy an battery like this at ebay for 10 bucks, but a custom battery sounds very expensive. i think the key for longer life isn't a bigger battery, but a better energy saving. regards, Arne ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery life & case design
Hi, I'm totally thrilled with all the goodies crammed into the gta02, and I'm even more thrilled with the ideas people are having to use these goodies. Whats less thrilling is the battery life. Switch on all those goodies and you have a phone that will be dead in about 5 hours. Its king of like owning a porche that has a fuel tank the size of a coke can :-) I wonder, is it just me or are there enough people out there who are interested in having more power? Enough people to make it worth while some company (maybe openmoko) to tool up to produce a new back cover for the gta02 thats a few mm thicker so it can hold a battery the full size of the rear cover... then all we need is a custom battery that will fit in the cover and interface with the existing power pins on the rear of the gta02. Looking at it we could easily gain 4-5 times the power with a large flat battery pack. Has this been discussed at all? anyone have any opinions on this? Yes I know there is still some work to be done on the openmoko APM functions. However when these functions work all they are about is turning stuff off to extend battery life. Given the openmoko demographic, I'd say having a phone thats a few more millimetres thicker to accomodate a large battery (as in function over design) is an attractive option... there has to be plenty of takers out there to make it worth someone's while to tool up and produce the alternative cover and battery pack. Regards, Jon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Battery life [was: Re: Can the Freerunner now be charged with 1 or with 2 Amp ?]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Di 24. Juni 2008 schrieb Yorick Moko: |> It is known that the way you charge a battery influences the lifetime. |> Have there been any tests as to which is the "best" way to charge the |> freerunner? | | Nope, didn't find the time to do the expected >500 charge/discharge cycles ;-) | Honestly, this is nothing FR or OM specific. Considerations valid for all | LiIon batteries apply here as well. | AFAIK, it's much more important not to push the last electron into the battery | that might fit in here, than to charge with lower current. Some notebooks | allegedly have a "treat battery nice" option, that stops charging at | ~75%..90%. You could do this by adjusting the Vbat-max setting of PMU. Til | now, nobody cared about it yet. Actually with the charging LED patches in I have been able to see when we charge for a while now, it seems it does an OK job with current settings of recognizing a full or nearly full battery and not needlessly charging it. It does continue to charge the battery past the point that the coulomb counter in the battery reports 100% capacity reached, but it does it in constant voltage mode where the current it pushes in varies according to the effort needed to keep the voltage up. In the final phase of the charging this decreases second by second to under 100mA and then cuts off as full. I had a read through this which seems to be written by an experienced Li-ion person: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm First he shows a graph about charging voltage: ours is set to 4.2V right now so we fit the best lifetime curve he shows there. Second he shows a graph about rate of charge and discharge, I don't really know how to map that on to our performance, except that I never saw a battery heating under charge to more than 30 degrees C and that on a hot day, and I don't think our discharge rate of ~200mA typ when not transmitting will be "excessive". Well, dealing with high currents during transmit it what a mobile phone battery is for. But he doesn't seem to mention charge level except to say that for storage, you don't want a 100% charged battery but 40% charge level. So AFIK what we do now does not make any special trouble for battery life. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkhhU8sACgkQOjLpvpq7dMp8NwCffPs2qd/ekBEfMsJ/UQ3+/izE 3SwAnjEuGIxtDyXBUFbUj1Dc514bPLEp =O5gA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Battery life [was: Re: Can the Freerunner now be charged with 1 or with 2 Amp ?]
Am Di 24. Juni 2008 schrieb Yorick Moko: > It is known that the way you charge a battery influences the lifetime. > Have there been any tests as to which is the "best" way to charge the > freerunner? Nope, didn't find the time to do the expected >500 charge/discharge cycles ;-) Honestly, this is nothing FR or OM specific. Considerations valid for all LiIon batteries apply here as well. AFAIK, it's much more important not to push the last electron into the battery that might fit in here, than to charge with lower current. Some notebooks allegedly have a "treat battery nice" option, that stops charging at ~75%..90%. You could do this by adjusting the Vbat-max setting of PMU. Til now, nobody cared about it yet. cheers jOERG PS: have a Nokia with a LiIon accu that's 7 Years old now, 100% uptime. Still is good for 70% of initial capacity. So yes, obviously LiIon *can* have longer live than just 2 years. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
I've just conducted some very brief (accidental) battery testing: I charged my FreeRunner yesterday and unplugged it when I left work (about 5 PM). it was on "Dim first then lock" power management mode. Took the phone home with me, left it untouched all evening, came back to work this morning and left it on my desk. At about 2 this afternoon I pushed the power button, it came out of suspend and displayed that the power meter was still green. Note, during this period the suspend function was working as I'd expect it to: It goes into that mode and stays off until you push the power button. The phone was also able to be woken up by calling it. What usually happens, however, is that the phone randomly wakes itself up out of suspend mode, shows the screen lock and goes back to sleep. If you've ever gone to bed with a FreeRunner somewhere in the room, you'll know that this is very annoying. During this cyclical behaviour the battery is drained very quickly. Today, unfortunately, I ran opkg update && upgrade and seem to have reintroduced this power management bug. Since earlier this afternoon therefore, the phone has been repeatedly waking itself up and suspending again. Battery life has drastically suffered as a result. Joseph On 27/05/2008, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joseph Reeves wrote: > > > I did some very rough testing of the FreeRunner battery life today; > > > > Oh... Finally some good battery tests! > I think they're really good since there's no suspend use at all (that > should save most of the power). > > Thanks and keep sending us your good reports! ;) > > -- > Treviño's World - Life and Linux > http://www.3v1n0.net/ > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
On 5/28/08, einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it > over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the > Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short > call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner > every 30min to check the state of the device. > > I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. > > Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many > opertunitys for more standby time. > > So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. > Great job. Can you say what the reasons are for the improved time? Was the system running at 400 MHz at all time? Which image did you use? Keep up the good work:) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
How about charge the mobile every night? And the powersavingapp isen't ready yet. After what I know. Alexander Frøyseth Eildert Groeneveld skrev: Hei Folks can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little crappy Motorala stays alive for days if it is not used to make calls. How does this relate? Are we waiting for suspend to work? or shall we need a stack of batteries to swap? greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hei Folks | | can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the | freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little | crappy Motorala stays alive for days if it is not used to make calls. | | How does this relate? Are we waiting for suspend to work? or shall we need a | stack of batteries to swap? It's not bad because the CPU was up at 400MHz all that time. Yes, when Linux suspend is used you will get radically longer survival times off a charge. So the number is interesting for the suspend implication as much as for what it actually tested. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkg+WdUACgkQOjLpvpq7dMo7aQCfcfePrSm2ghuiNqC/stOIuAtL n0UAn2i2j54CfHXlS9WKbB1lG/xxsOQE =NisE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
Hei Folks can someone enlighten me on this issue of battery life: it seems that the freerunner stayed alive for 16 hours and everyone seems exited. My little crappy Motorala stays alive for days if it is not used to make calls. How does this relate? Are we waiting for suspend to work? or shall we need a stack of batteries to swap? greetings Eildert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
yes, I'm sorry maybe he understand better Deutsch than dutch ;) --- El jue, 29/5/08, Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: De: Bastian Muck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Asunto: Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community@lists.openmoko.org> Fecha: jueves, 29 mayo, 2008 4:03 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he would not have understood dutch either since he comes from germany ;-) David Samblas Martinez schrieb: | No need to be Shakespeare here :) | I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. | I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. | Any report from real world add fresh air on this list like an open windows (what an oxymoron) | When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. | I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage | and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! | | | --- El *mié, 28/5/08, einstein /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* escribió: | | De: einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby | Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community@lists.openmoko.org> | Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 | | Hi, | | the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it | over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the | Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short | call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner | every 30min to check the state of the device. | | I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. | | Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many | opertunitys for more standby time. | | So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is | over. | | Greets | | Einstein | | PS: sorry for the my bad english... | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | - | | Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52431/*http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html>; | La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIPg7mlYiDScJJ+7QRAoywAKCuNPX0T40dzPrRQsMackB1k1sPDQCg0q4e 2d/rshJRPzM0WMMLZAP9WAI= =gjWN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think he would not have understood dutch either since he comes from germany ;-) David Samblas Martinez schrieb: | No need to be Shakespeare here :) | I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. | I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. | Any report from real world add fresh air on this list like an open windows (what an oxymoron) | When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. | I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage | and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! | | | --- El *mié, 28/5/08, einstein /<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* escribió: | | De: einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby | Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" | Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 | | Hi, | | the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it | over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the | Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short | call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner | every 30min to check the state of the device. | | I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. | | Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many | opertunitys for more standby time. | | So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is | over. | | Greets | | Einstein | | PS: sorry for the my bad english... | | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | | - | | Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52431/*http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html> | La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. | | - | | ___ | Openmoko community mailing list | community@lists.openmoko.org | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIPg7mlYiDScJJ+7QRAoywAKCuNPX0T40dzPrRQsMackB1k1sPDQCg0q4e 2d/rshJRPzM0WMMLZAP9WAI= =gjWN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
David Samblas Martinez wrote: I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! Me too.. I figure that also PowerTop could be useful in this research! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:49 +, David Samblas Martinez wrote: > No need to be Shakespeare here :) > Wherefore art thou electrons? Thy battery desires to be revitalized. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
No need to be Shakespeare here :) I understand you and I like a lot what you are saying. I appreciate a lot your effort to translate your thoughts and experience to English, Dutch is a little out of my languages knowledges. Any report from real world add fresh air on this list like an open windows (what an oxymoron) When the CPU will be able to down and up his Hz depends of system demands it will be a lot of power saving extra. I will like to know how the diferents components(wifi, gps...) affects on the battery drainage and a music with headset test and ...and ...and..I want my freeruner to do it myself ;)!!! --- El mié, 28/5/08, einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: De: einstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Asunto: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby Para: "List for Openmoko community discussion" <community@lists.openmoko.org> Fecha: miércoles, 28 mayo, 2008 11:18 Hi, the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many opertunitys for more standby time. So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. Greets Einstein PS: sorry for the my bad english... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
einstein wrote: the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. Great! PS: sorry for the my bad english... It's completely ok for me, surely easier to understand than German :P Thanks again for this! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
einstein wrote: > At the moment i have a second run, so i will top the 12 hours, i feel 14 ;) Cool! Thanks for your tests and your reports (better if in English :P). Bye! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
My second battery life test with the freerunner in standby
Hi, the day is over an the freerunner turns off after 16hours. I charged it over night, 7 hours long. So i only turn on the gsm. I don't use the Freerunner often. A short gps session of 15min an some sms, one short call, one missed call! And in the afternoon i wake up the freerunner every 30min to check the state of the device. I am supriesed of this. yesterday i think 14 hours are possible. Well, i think all the developers do a great job, and there are many opertunitys for more standby time. So now i go to bed, in 7 hours my night is over. Greets Einstein PS: sorry for the my bad english... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Hi, yesterday my Freerunner runs over 12hours. I charged it over night, 7hours without fast charge. Only GSM was on. Your're right with the daily use. i have a short call, become an sms, write one and at least two reboots. Also i waked up the device all 30 minutes to see the battery state. At the moment i have a second run, so i will top the 12 hours, i feel 14 ;) Today i become an call and after this, the freerunner don't go back to suspend. I reboot the device, after that, the suspend mode is working :/ Also i will test how long you can call with it... Greets Einstein Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote on 05/28/2008 12:49 AM: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ I haven't got enough time today to translate every of his posts but I'll do it for the last one ;) Sorry for my quite "rusty" english, has already been some time that I've translated something ;) 27.05.2008 Hello alltogether, yesterday at night I flashed a new kernel image to the Freerunner, which should support some kind of suspend mode. Unfortunately it doesn't work with the ASU Image, so I had to put back the Openmoko Image I had before. It's looking good by now. Now 6,5 hours passed and the battery is showing halftime! I'm anxious to how long it will last in the end! Concerning the suspend mode, I'm not sure if the Freerunner will go into this mode, but the display is totally shut off. Before it has only been very dimmed, but at night you could see that it has been on. Also positive is, that at an incoming call the display lightens up and shows the dialer, so you won't miss the right button :) Okay, I've returned tonight 12 hours later and the Freerunner's battery wasn't fully drained yet. The battery indicator was very low but it was running. This gives more than 12 hours of lifetime. All this has been possible thanks to the kernel images from here: http://moko.mwester.net/ Though I think, that the CPU has not been clocked down and so on.. I'll try out another more detailed lifetime-test - something like constant telephony up the bitter end ;) cu, Georg -- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) schrieb: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ so i try to translate the important things: The test was on a Freerunner used the kernel from mike with the suspend mode. He used the OM Software because the ASU was hangup with the suspend mode. the display turned off completly and was going back on when a call was incomming. (he sayed it wasen't so with the none suspend mode) the phone was running a bit over 12 hours. .. but i think the real interesting things are already translated and posted to this list. so i don't know if it would be realy interresting for you to have a full translation of the reports. But you could ask einstein if he would post it also in english. :) oh wait, i try it : @Einstein :could you plase post your reports also in english ? Bitte, bitte, bitte, bitte ... and so on .. [Platzhalter für alle guten Argumente, warum du das machen solltest. ... Bitte selber ausfüllen ... :) ] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
0n Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:49:02AM +0200, "Marco Trevisan (Trevi~no)" wrote: >Marco Trevisan (Trevi~no) wrote: >> Finally I've found something! >> >> Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good >> report [1] > >Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test >done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've >understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also >translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. >He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... Only if it was in English :( -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organisation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1914. If you have received this email in error, you are requested to contact the sender and delete the email. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1] Just to notify: Einstein has updated his post [1] with a battery test done using the mwester suspend-enabled kernel [2] and, if I've understood well (I don't speak German, if someone could help [also translating his reports]...), he got about 12hours of use. He doesn't specify what has done, but I figure a standard daily use... [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h [2] http://moko.mwester.net/ -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Jens Fursund wrote: Maybe I am missing something. But does this mean, that if I want my phone to be able to receive calls it will only last 8-8.5 hours?. Or can I recieve calls from suspend mode? So the phone will be able to wake up when a call i coming in? Of course... The phone will be able to wake from suspend mode if a GSM event is taken. Anyway it seems that current kernels doesn't allow this. Maybe a core-dev could give us more informations about this bug. Furthermore is 8-8.5 hours equal to what I would get in music listening time for example? I don't know about music-listening power usage, but I figure it will be a little more than simple GSM standby usage. -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
einstein wrote: Hi Marco, i say 8 hours. GSM only runs, no wifi or gps or someting else. At the moment i don't found any powermanagment... so only the screen dims and lock... Ok, good... Could you do also other tests? Anyway, when you said "8 hours", did you mean only 8 hours of GSM "standby" or also with few SMSs or calls? Thanks! -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Maybe I am missing something. But does this mean, that if I want my phone to be able to receive calls it will only last 8-8.5 hours?. Or can I recieve calls from suspend mode? So the phone will be able to wake up when a call i coming in? Furthermore is 8-8.5 hours equal to what I would get in music listening time for example? >> in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 >> hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Not the most perfect translate, but you can understand it. http://no.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Oversett The interface is norwegian, but the translate is english Alexander Frøyseth Marco Trevisan (Treviño) skrev: McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote: I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things pushed out, but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 month and a half+. Is there any more info on how long the battery lasts? I know this will get kicked back to “it depends what options you have turned on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting on my hip in stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever calls me that long, but the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?) Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some informations written in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). He doesn't exactly say what he's running, but at least GSM is going. I agree in saying that this is a good starting point, since the suspend-mode (so with most devices off) isn't yet available in Freerunner (due to kernel bugs, I guess) and that should increase (a lot) the battery life. I hope that both Einstein and Kevin Dean would post other informations about this important topic. Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
Hi Marco, i say 8 hours. GSM only runs, no wifi or gps or someting else. At the moment i don't found any powermanagment... so only the screen dims and lock... Greets Einstein Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote: I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things pushed out, but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 month and a half+. Is there any more info on how long the battery lasts? I know this will get kicked back to “it depends what options you have turned on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting on my hip in stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever calls me that long, but the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?) Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some informations written in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). He doesn't exactly say what he's running, but at least GSM is going. I agree in saying that this is a good starting point, since the suspend-mode (so with most devices off) isn't yet available in Freerunner (due to kernel bugs, I guess) and that should increase (a lot) the battery life. I hope that both Einstein and Kevin Dean would post other informations about this important topic. Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Any Stats on Battery life....
McCreery, Lee CTR DISA wrote: I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things pushed out, but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 month and a half+. Is there any more info on how long the battery lasts? I know this will get kicked back to “it depends what options you have turned on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting on my hip in stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever calls me that long, but the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?) Finally I've found something! Einstein from freeyourphone.de got a Freerunner and started a very good report [1], also if it's only in German (Google Language tools could help you, but I hope that the review author will post some informations written in English here too), it states that actually the battery lasts about 8-8.5 hours in standby (!= suspend mode, so with running CPU). He doesn't exactly say what he's running, but at least GSM is going. I agree in saying that this is a good starting point, since the suspend-mode (so with most devices off) isn't yet available in Freerunner (due to kernel bugs, I guess) and that should increase (a lot) the battery life. I hope that both Einstein and Kevin Dean would post other informations about this important topic. Bye [1] http://tinyurl.com/55tt3h -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Any Stats on Battery life....
I know everyone at OM has been busting their butts to get things pushed out, but the proto has been in the hands of many people for ~1 month and a half+. Is there any more info on how long the battery lasts? I know this will get kicked back to "it depends what options you have turned on(i.e. WiFi, GPS, etc.), but with everything powered, sitting on my hip in stand-by, making 30 minutes of calls a day(nobody ever calls me that long, but the wife) what can we expect(1 day, ½ day?) I know my new company Palm Treo in stand-by all day(email only) and no calls only lasts 2 days. With the freerunner I will sacrifice battery for Freedom :-). Steve/Michael: I will gladly assist in getting these stats and supply you with my Fed-Ex number if you wish for me to conduct this test for the community. V/R Lee ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date)
On Sunday 11 May 2008 14:01:17 Martin Bernreuther wrote: > device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This cat is long out of the box. It's the Dash Express device. :M: ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date)
I think i gta03 was the aprils fool thingy.. http://walkingice.twbbs.org/blog/?p=336 Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards Tore Dalaker -Opprinnelig melding- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne av Martin Bernreuther Sendt: 11. mai 2008 14:01 Til: List for Openmoko community discussion Emne: Re: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date) Hello, Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2008 18:54 schrieb Mo Abrahams: > Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be > GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? looking at the Wiki, there're also speculations about another Neo-like device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This seems not to correspond to the GTA04. (Maybe HXD8==GTA03?) Is there a more complete roadmap about the "Neo-Productline" somewhere? But let's first wait for the GTA02 (Freerunner) to hit the shelves... Bye, Martin -- Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA03, GTA04? (was: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date)
Hello, Am Samstag, 10. Mai 2008 18:54 schrieb Mo Abrahams: > Also... why is it going from GTA02 to GTA04 ? Won't the next phone be > GTA03 (even if it is a developer model like GTA01 was)? looking at the Wiki, there're also speculations about another Neo-like device: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 This seems not to correspond to the GTA04. (Maybe HXD8==GTA03?) Is there a more complete roadmap about the "Neo-Productline" somewhere? But let's first wait for the GTA02 (Freerunner) to hit the shelves... Bye, Martin -- Martin Bernreuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
That was usually called HXD8 IIRC. I wonder about GTA03, too... Ortwin On 5/11/08, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > or gta03 was the board for that gps (DASH) thing > > hence next phone is gta04 > > JW > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
or gta03 was the board for that gps (DASH) thing hence next phone is gta04 JW ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
Hugo Mills ha scritto: On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 06:22:00PM +0100, Mo Abrahams wrote: Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), One theory is because it was the number of people present at the Last Supper. Hugo. Or simply there are 2 ideas that come in my mind: 1) GTA03 as a development release (like the kernel tree, 2.4 usable, 2.5 development, 2.6 usable) 2) there is another milestone for the GTA02, the mass market phone, actually the hardware is fine, but the software still has some bugs and it's incomplete in some part Cya! Pietro ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Questions about Freerunner: Phone Usability, Battery Life, Shipping Date
According to De La Soul it is! 2008/5/10 Mo Abrahams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [snip] > > Hmm, hopefully someone else will shed more light on that. I know > different cultures have numbers that are considered unlucky, for example > 13 in a lot of western cultures (not sure why), and the number 4 in > Japanese culture (due to it having the same pronunciation (shi) as the > word for death)... I think that also applies to chinese... but I have > never heard of 3 being unlucky. > Wasn't it meant to be the magic number? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
