Re: [css-d] Text overflowing from divs

[Mauricio Samy Silva]

From: "Kevin Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [css-d] Text overflowing from divs


When I increase the text size several times, on my site
> (http://www.ratking.co.uk)it overflows the right hand div and gets lost
> behind the body background image.
> Kevin Stevens

Hi Kevin,
The CSS declaration:

#container {
overflow: hidden;
}

is saying to your layout: "Hide everything that overflows the #content 
edges.
And this is exactly what is happening.

I don't went in deep in your code but can't see why that declaration is 
there.
Try get rid of it.

Regards,

Maurício Samy Silva
http://www.maujor.com/




__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] will u help me any CSS issue?

[Nay Myo Win]

-- 
Nay Myo
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Menu functionality and IE6 bug

[WEZ!]

>setting the a to display: block; should clear that up.

Thanks for the suggestion Brian. The 'a' links are already all set to 
block as it is a standard procedure for drop down menus or getting 
hover to function on the entire block.

But that being said it does give the effect of that problem so I 
think that has opened up another avenue of investigation.

It would have been too logical to think IE would fail on the 'a' 
links not being blocks but we are dealing with IE here :)

Well I'm off to block up the menu some more and see if that gets anywhere.

Wesley Lamont
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Menu functionality and IE6 bug

[WEZ!]

> You're CSS works correctly even in IE 7.

Yeah I was told this by another colleague though i have no way to run 
through the functionality myself as I have no IE7 in my mac-based 
office.


>  What I would recommend you
>is to temporary use the JS version on all browsers (i.e. commenting out
>the "li:hover" in the CSS and the conditional comments in the HTML).

Very good call. I've done that earlier but not more recently. Pretty 
convinced its an IE problem only but this is a good way to get that 
confirmed.


>
> Your problems seem to be mainly two:
>a) You have an extra margin on your IE 6 version

do tell? that I haven't noticed here. Check against any standards 
browsers as this may also be something with IE 7 comparison that may 
not be as intended.


>b) IE 6 ignores the mouse-over once you move out of the link (as if the
>LI didn't count at all). I've had this problem before, but I can't
>recall how did I sort it out, I'll let you know if I recall how.

Indeed and its doing my head in.

Thanks for the help

Wesley Lamont

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Text overflowing from divs

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Sep 18, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Kevin Stevens wrote:

> What is the magic formula here? I'm still playing around with my new
> site, trying to test it to breaking point, and this is really bugging
> me. When I increase the text size several times, on my site
> (http://www.ratking.co.uk)it overflows the right hand div and gets  
> lost
> behind the body background image. However, look at a site like
> http://www.positioniseverything.net/ and do the same thing, the text
> overflows and is still visible over the background. It seems that the
> div in http://www.positioniseverything.net/ is wrapped in another div
> with an absolute position, I've tried this but still cannot get it to
> work. Can anyone enlighten me on this please?

The container/wrapper on http://www.ratking.co.uk hides/crops the  
text that overflows because
#container {
...
overflow: hidden
}
You are doing that probably to force that container to contain  
floated blocks.
A better method would be to either:
1. insert a clearing element at the bottom of that wrapper
or
2. use the easy clearing method, as described on PIE


and remove that overflow:hidden.

Philippe
---
Philippe Wittenbergh





__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Text overflowing from divs

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Kevin Stevens wrote:
> What is the magic formula here? I'm still playing around with my new 
> site, trying to test it to breaking point, and this is really bugging 
> me. When I increase the text size several times, on my site 
> (http://www.ratking.co.uk)it overflows the right hand div and gets lost 
> behind the body background image. 

That's the (sometimes) negative effect of...
#container{overflow: hidden; /* expand to contain content */}
...which in addition to "expanding the container", also "hides the 
horizontal overflow" since there's a fixed width on that element.

The way your layout is organized now means the 'overflow: hidden' isn't 
needed - no need to enforce "expansion of container", so you can delete 
that property/value and get the default: 'overflow: visible' back in all 
browsers.

regards
Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Text overflowing from divs

[Kevin Stevens]

What is the magic formula here? I'm still playing around with my new 
site, trying to test it to breaking point, and this is really bugging 
me. When I increase the text size several times, on my site 
(http://www.ratking.co.uk)it overflows the right hand div and gets lost 
behind the body background image. However, look at a site like 
http://www.positioniseverything.net/ and do the same thing, the text 
overflows and is still visible over the background. It seems that the 
div in http://www.positioniseverything.net/ is wrapped in another div 
with an absolute position, I've tried this but still cannot get it to 
work. Can anyone enlighten me on this please?

TIA

-- 
Kevin Stevens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Dynamic menu challenge

[Phil Holt]

Hi

I've scoured the Web all day looking for various solutions to this problem
but have drawn a complete blank. I've tried to implement suckerfish, son of
suckerfish and more. Is there any quick and easy css code out there to turn
the nav on this page...

http://www.web-foundry.co.uk
 
...into a simple dynamic drop down without adding heaps of javascript into
the head? The 3rd link from the left -
http://www.web-foundry.co.uk/rejive_content_management.aspx - is actually a
child page of the 2nd link (set within the CMS). But for some strange reason
it's displaying alongside and not dropping nicely below.

I've stripped down my css to the bare minimum to try to trouble shoot it.
Any ideas and suggestions really appreciated:

Here it is:

#nav-container {
}

#nav{
padding:0;
margin:0;
position:relative;
width:980px;
}

#nav ul {
list-style:none;
}

#nav ul li a {
float:left;
text-align:center;
color:#777;
font-size:80%;
width: 110px;
padding: 3px 5px 3px 5px;
background-color:#ececec;
border-right: solid 2px white;
}


#nav ul li a:hover {
color:white;
background-color:#777;
}


Thanks
Phil Holt
+44 131 446 0702
e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Ul printing problems in my print stylesheet

[Jukka K. Korpela]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ling, Luke C wrote:

> I have a ul with type=square on the page.

The page URL would help a lot in analyzing the problem. I was unable to 
reconstruct the problem from the snippets you gave, at least on IE 7. 
Which browser(s) did you test it on?

> ul { margin:0 0 0 1em;
> padding:0;
> list-style-position:inside;

Setting the left margin to just 1em (and assuming ul and li left margin 
and padding are otherwise zero) is just about enough to accommodate a list 
marker. This means that it might occasionally be a little too little, 
causing the marker to be partially cut. But this shouldn't happen when the 
position is inside.

So I'm afraid I can't even see the problem, still less try to find some 
solution.

> list-style-type:circle;
- -
> 

This is somewhat odd. It's of course possible to override HTML attributes 
in CSS. But if you prefer circles as list markers, why has the markup got 
that attribute, instead of type="circle"?

-- 
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] 'sticky' footer - fixed at bottom of viewport

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Ray Leventhal wrote:

> I seem to recall someone pointing to an article or site which
> outlined a method for creating a footer div which would /always/ be
> at the bottom of the viewport, without regard for the volume of
> content above.

You can fix anything anywhere with 'position: fixed', and a workaround
for IE6 and older vin-versions.

Article on how-to:

Live example:


regards
Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] 'sticky' footer - fixed at bottom of viewport

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I have a tutorial for one on my site:

http://anekostudios.com/2006/05/12/sticky-footer/

~Shelly
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] 'sticky' footer - fixed at bottom of viewport

[Ray Leventhal]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> Ray Leventhal wrote:
> 
>> I seem to recall someone pointing to an article or site which
>> outlined a method for creating a footer div which would /always/ be
>> at the bottom of the viewport, without regard for the volume of
>> content above.
> 
> You can fix anything anywhere with 'position: fixed', and a workaround
> for IE6 and older vin-versions.
> 
> Article on how-to:
> 
> Live example:
> 
> 
> regards
>   Georg
Hi Georg,

Thanks (again!) for the much needed direction and sample.

Best regards,
~Ray
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] need help with css in firefox

[Matt Kruger]

Hello all,

Im currently working as an intern for a reputable machine shop in Cleveland
and was tasked with revamping their very basic website. Im still in college
and havn't had much formal training in web development. I found a very cool
CSS template online and have recently finished adding all the content from
the old site.

The site is www.techmach.com   It looks great in IE but really poor in
firefox and netscape. My main concern at the moment is getting the links on
the top and sidebar formatted correctly, the rest I can test and play with
more casually. Here is the related code from one of the pages as well as the
css:

CSS:

td {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #343B4D; 
}
a img {border: none; }


.menu_link {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #FF;
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: none;
}
.menu_link:hover {
color: #C9C8C3;
}
.link_1 {
font-family: Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
color: #FF;
text-decoration: none;
}
.link_1:hover {
text-decoration: underline;
}
.link_2 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #FF6501;
text-decoration: none;
}
.link_2:hover {
text-decoration: underline;
}
.link_3 {
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 11px;
color: #333A4D;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.link_3:hover {
color: #999FAF;
}
.searchformtd {
border-top: 1px solid #5E5E5E;
border-left: 1px solid #8D8D8D; 
border-right: 1px solid #E7E7E7;
border-bottom: 1px solid #E7E7E7;   
}
.caption_1 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
color: #00;
}
.caption_2 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
font-weight: bold;
color: #FF6501;
}
.caption_3 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 16px;
font-weight: bold;
color: #303749;
}
.inp_1 {
border: 1px solid #414D73;
width: 132px;
height: 22px;
background-color: #FCFCFC;
}
form {
margin: 0px;
}
.aligner {
text-align: justify;
}
.spacer_1 {
margin: 2px 10px 2px 5px;
}
.spacer_2 {
margin-bottom: 3px;
}
.spacer_3 {
margin: 6px 8px 6px 8px;
}
.spacer_4 {
margin: 11px 14px 11px 14px;
}
.text_1 {
font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
color: #220C01;
}
.text_2 {
font-weight: bold;
text-decoration: underline;
}
.img_spacer {
margin-right: 9px;
}



Portion from the html:

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>


TMP - Hydraulic Presses, Rubber Machinery, Injection Presses,
Rubber Mixers, Lamination Presses







  

  
  
 


 


Home    
     
    Contact Us  
              

Our History 

  


  

  

  


     Compression
Presses


  


     Injection
Presses


  


     Mixing Machinery


  


     Laboratory Size Equipment


  


     Circuit
Board/Card Lamination


  


     Preowned & Rebuilds


  


     Aftercare & Technical
Sevice





     Heavy Machining
Service


  


  

  


Any help that can be offered would be most appreciated!
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] 'sticky' footer - fixed at bottom of viewport

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I seem to recall someone pointing to an article or site which outlined a
method for creating a footer div which would /always/ be at the bottom
of the viewport, without regard for the volume of content above.

If someone might point me to any info on such a method I'd be very
thankful.

The project about to land on my desk will need a liquid 2col+header
layout with a 'sticky' footer.  From what I have seen from the client so
far, I expect to use the type of layout described on ALA [1].

Initial discussions have indicated that content isn't deep enough to
ever reach the footer, but as with all things, I'm planning for the
unexpected; if there's a way to manage content flowing behind the footer
with vertical scroll bar appearing in the browser as needed, that'd be
ideal.

TIA,
~Ray

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

[David Laakso]

David Laakso wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>  Hi, and thanks for the reply David.
>>
>> Thanks for pointing out the basic error from me to miss the DOCTYPE. 
>> Putting that in seems to have fixed the problem.
>>   
>


:: mon 3:06p junk subject line deleted :: ~dL

RE:





Hmm. ...depends on what you consider the problem(s), I guess.


FWIW: not sure if this what you are after--

Quick tested:
+3 font-scaling @ 800 & 1680 in safari, firefox , opera
text-size "largest" font-scaling @ 800 & 1280 in ie7.0 and ie6.0.
markup & css validated

Best,
~dL




-- 
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] **SL-JUNK** Re: Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

[David Laakso]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  Hi, and thanks for the reply David.
>
> Thanks for pointing out the basic error from me to miss the DOCTYPE. Putting 
> that in seems to have fixed the problem.
>   


RE:





Hmm. ...depends on what you consider the problem(s), I guess.


FWIW: not sure if this what you are after--

Quick tested:
+3 font-scaling @ 800 & 1680 in safari, firefox , opera
text-size "largest" font-scaling @ 800 & 1280 in ie7.0 and ie6.0.
markup & css validated

Best,
~dL

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] How to avoid tables, but layout a collection of DVDs etc

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Adam Ryan wrote:

> This is my first post

Welcome :-)

> – it may help for to link to a (very basic) mock-site I designed for 
> a Web Development subject I did last semester:

> 

> Obviously a table layout is what I am considering, however I am 
> designing a whole new site and wish to embrace CSS to help me here.

I think you need/want an ordinary CSS layout, with HTML tables for
your tabular data.

The following quickly assembled layout...

...might give you the necessary clues on how to proceed.

Layout-method used: 

All styles in page-head.

regards
Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] IE6 and left right position

[JGardner]

Hi All,

I have been working on a menu - and am still having a lot of IE6 problems 
(works great in IE7 and Firefox).  Anyway, I wanted to position the navigation 
bar absolutely using top and right.  The only way I can get it to work in IE6 
is to position top and left.  Does IE6 have a problem with absolutely 
positioning right?  I have done several searches and cannot find anything 
indicating that it does (I have found some stuff but nothing exactly like what 
I am seeing).

You can see the navigation bar here - 
http://www.jgardnerdesigns.com/web-design-services.htm

If anyone has the time and is interested I am also having trouble with the top 
position, if I get it where I want in in IE7/Firefox than it is to high in IE6. 
 I am assuming it is carrying over something from another div or something, but 
I didn't think it would do that if you positioned it absolutely.

Thanks,
Jennifer




  

Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect.  Join Yahoo!'s user panel 
and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Making legends behave like normal boxes

[Barney Carroll]

Rafael wrote:
> A link is really useful in these cases. If you can, strip down your 
> HTML & CSS to simply things.

Can't give you urls, I'm afraid (secure server). In any case, the 
problem is entirely generic. I have completely stripped down everything, 
to the point where the computed style for headers and legends is identical.

However the type of 'display' applied to legends is intrinsically weird. 
Remember that by default they sit /inside/ the border of their 
containing frameset. My particular problem is that they seem to retain 
inline properties even when set as block. A computed 100% width will 
still end up as the minimum width required by the content. The only way 
I can find to extend the box is by applying fixed padding, ie values in 
px or ems.


Snadden Tim wrote:
>> And I want legends to act like headers.> 
> 
> Legends are very tricky to style. I found that the best way to get
> control was to add a span inside and style that. Extra markup is
> obviously not ideal but it appears to be the only practical solution to
> get real control over rendering of legends.

This is a generically helpful way of dealing with obtuse objects, but 
actually it doesn't help in this circumstance. The misbehaving bounding 
box of the legend will still clip the contents, whatever they may be. 
The problem is that the legend cannot be relied upon to behave based on 
the metrics around it.

I am treating this as a case of "systematic introduction of unsemantic 
markup and highly protracted styles vs. javascript" (javascript always 
wins, it's CSS4).


Regards,
Barney
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] How to avoid tables, but layout a collection of DVDs etc

[cappellano]

imho, there is no need for avoiding table  in this case. But you
should use proper tables (coding it on the right way).

cheers!
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Menu functionality and IE6 bug

[Brian Cummiskey]

Rafael wrote:
> b) IE 6 ignores the mouse-over once you move out of the link (as if the 
> LI didn't count at all). I've had this problem before, but I can't 
> recall how did I sort it out, I'll let you know if I recall how.
setting the a to display: block; should clear that up.
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Menu functionality and IE6 bug

[Rafael]

You're CSS works correctly even in IE 7. What I would recommend you 
is to temporary use the JS version on all browsers (i.e. commenting out 
the "li:hover" in the CSS and the conditional comments in the HTML).

Your problems seem to be mainly two:
a) You have an extra margin on your IE 6 version
b) IE 6 ignores the mouse-over once you move out of the link (as if the 
LI didn't count at all). I've had this problem before, but I can't 
recall how did I sort it out, I'll let you know if I recall how.

WEZ! wrote:
> Heya,
>
> This last bug is killing me. I've been bashing away at it over the 
> weekend to no avail.
>
> The Main menu drop down functionality is flawed in IE6(win) and 
> possibly other IE's as well. The visual appearance is solved via 
> giving the ancestors blocks a position and z-index as I explained in 
> a previous post. However the functionality of the drop down menu's 
> stops functioning when the cursor is above the content block whilst 
> still remaining in the menu. This still appears to be a Z-index issue 
> despite the menu visually functioning correctly. The menu items only 
> appear to create style changes upon the text only and not the entire 
> block.
>
>  From the Microsoft website: Input from controlling devides does not 
> penetrate overlapping elements even if the elements are no visible. 
> Which is the issue here. There are no elements overlapping the menu 
> but something in IE rendering stream is or thinks it is.
>
> The website can be found here:
> http://www.newearthpermaculture.com.au/bm/BusMentorMenu27blank.htm
>
>
> I've added all the work I've done on this problem below any any help 
> is GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Wesley Lamont
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There is two elements to this problem both related. The first is the 
> main menu sitting ontop of the top bar. The bar is absolutely 
> positioned z-indexed at -600. The menu ancestry is relative 
> positioned at z-index 500 code-ordered after the bar in both html and 
> css code. The li of the main menu only function on the text of the 
> 'a' element within the block not on the entire 'li' as standards 
> suggest.
> This I have proven by removing the bar and functionality is fine for 
> top level of the menu. Here are the tests I've tried so far:
> - Drop the bar below the menu in html code and apply top:0
> - set bar at absolute - z-index
> - set barmid (central section of bar) @ absolute -, top:0
> - Move bar to top again, change absolute to relative, add top to menu 
> section to overlap once again
> - Make menu absolute
> - make menu absolute and position above bar again.
> - removed positioning on bar completely
>
> Even with the menu and bar with absolute positioning both or relative 
> position and extreme opposite z-indexes I still can't achieve 
> functionality correctly.
>
> The second problem is the failure of the dropdown to sustain sfhover 
> class change when the cursor moves above the content area. Movement 
> above this area drop the menu completely rendering all lower menu 
> items unreachable. Despite visually appearing above everything the 
> functionality still claims the menu to be behind something. attempts 
> so far (well ones I can remember)
> - dropped parent z-index in case both were inheriting the same value.
> - Added "menu * {pos:relative, z-index: 500]"
> - added borders to see if any of the menu blocks was rendering 
> visually under the content
> http://www.newearthpermaculture.com.au/bm/BusMentorMenu28blank.htm
>
> After even more tests while writing this:
> It seems the text of the drop down menus still appears functional 
> above everything similar to the main menu. elsewhere on the block 
> fails to keep the sfhover class change. Interestingly the entire 
> block still triggers the sub menus to appear even if it then fails 
> above the content block.
>
> The border test in 28 also show how the borders appear to function 
> above the content block as well.
> __
> css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
>   
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Menu functionality and IE6 bug

[Rafael]

You're CSS works correctly even in IE 7. What I would recommend you 
is to temporary use the JS version on all browsers (i.e. commenting out 
the "li:hover" in the CSS and the conditional comments in the HTML).

Your problems seem to be mainly two:
a) You have an extra margin on your IE 6 version
b) IE 6 ignores the mouse-over once you move out of the link (as if the 
LI didn't count at all). I've had this problem before, but I can't 
recall how did I sort it out, I'll let you know if I recall how.

WEZ! wrote:
> Heya,
>
> This last bug is killing me. I've been bashing away at it over the 
> weekend to no avail.
>
> The Main menu drop down functionality is flawed in IE6(win) and 
> possibly other IE's as well. The visual appearance is solved via 
> giving the ancestors blocks a position and z-index as I explained in 
> a previous post. However the functionality of the drop down menu's 
> stops functioning when the cursor is above the content block whilst 
> still remaining in the menu. This still appears to be a Z-index issue 
> despite the menu visually functioning correctly. The menu items only 
> appear to create style changes upon the text only and not the entire 
> block.
>
>  From the Microsoft website: Input from controlling devides does not 
> penetrate overlapping elements even if the elements are no visible. 
> Which is the issue here. There are no elements overlapping the menu 
> but something in IE rendering stream is or thinks it is.
>
> The website can be found here:
> http://www.newearthpermaculture.com.au/bm/BusMentorMenu27blank.htm
>
>
> I've added all the work I've done on this problem below any any help 
> is GREATLY appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Wesley Lamont
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There is two elements to this problem both related. The first is the 
> main menu sitting ontop of the top bar. The bar is absolutely 
> positioned z-indexed at -600. The menu ancestry is relative 
> positioned at z-index 500 code-ordered after the bar in both html and 
> css code. The li of the main menu only function on the text of the 
> 'a' element within the block not on the entire 'li' as standards 
> suggest.
> This I have proven by removing the bar and functionality is fine for 
> top level of the menu. Here are the tests I've tried so far:
> - Drop the bar below the menu in html code and apply top:0
> - set bar at absolute - z-index
> - set barmid (central section of bar) @ absolute -, top:0
> - Move bar to top again, change absolute to relative, add top to menu 
> section to overlap once again
> - Make menu absolute
> - make menu absolute and position above bar again.
> - removed positioning on bar completely
>
> Even with the menu and bar with absolute positioning both or relative 
> position and extreme opposite z-indexes I still can't achieve 
> functionality correctly.
>
> The second problem is the failure of the dropdown to sustain sfhover 
> class change when the cursor moves above the content area. Movement 
> above this area drop the menu completely rendering all lower menu 
> items unreachable. Despite visually appearing above everything the 
> functionality still claims the menu to be behind something. attempts 
> so far (well ones I can remember)
> - dropped parent z-index in case both were inheriting the same value.
> - Added "menu * {pos:relative, z-index: 500]"
> - added borders to see if any of the menu blocks was rendering 
> visually under the content
> http://www.newearthpermaculture.com.au/bm/BusMentorMenu28blank.htm
>
> After even more tests while writing this:
> It seems the text of the drop down menus still appears functional 
> above everything similar to the main menu. elsewhere on the block 
> fails to keep the sfhover class change. Interestingly the entire 
> block still triggers the sub menus to appear even if it then fails 
> above the content block.
>
> The border test in 28 also show how the borders appear to function 
> above the content block as well.
> __
> css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>
>   
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] How to avoid tables, but layout a collection of DVDs etc

[Adam Ryan]

Hi there,

 

This is my first post – it may help for to link to a (very basic) mock-site
I designed for a Web Development subject I did last semester:

 

HYPERLINK
"http://redgum.bendigo.latrobe.edu.au/~aj2ryan/"http://redgum.bendigo.latrob
e.edu.au/~aj2ryan/

 

As you will see with the example of games I have listed from the link
provided above, (not to mention, the linked document accessible from the
site – if you visit), I want to design a good layout for my DVD collection
(basketball) games.  The key information I want to include (it could be
anything really, but for the sake of detail) is:

 

Date / Teams playing / Score / High Scorer / (extras could include) TV
Network / Quality rating, etc, etc….

 

Obviously a table layout is what I am considering, however I am designing a
whole new site and wish to embrace CSS to help me here.  I am using
Dreamweaver CS3, am fairly computer literate and just want a practical way
to display this information.  Can I avoid a simple table and still get good
looking presentation (CSS)?  I hope this makes sense?

Any direction, URLS, suggestions, etc would be most appreciated – thanks in
advance for any discussion this message prompts.

 

Kind regards,


Adam


No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition. 
Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 16/09/2007
6:32 PM
 
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

[trystano]

 Hi, and thanks for the reply David.

Thanks for pointing out the basic error from me to miss the DOCTYPE. Putting 
that in seems to have fixed the problem.

When you say that the log is not in the intended container, which you probably 
say because I have borders around the main containers, doesn't it show like 
this because the logo has 'position: absolute' against it?

Thanks?


 


 Tryst

-Original Message-
From: David Laakso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 3.09pm
Subject: Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7









[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:?

> Hi all, I have the following webpage 
> (http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm), which is broken down into 
> three sections: header, content and footer. Each section has a wrapper and 
> then content, like so...[trimmed]?

>?

>?

> Tryst?

>?

>   ?

?

I regret it is not working "fine" in Firefox either-- easily broken with 
font scaling.?

The problem, among other things, is it is unnecessarily complex:  you 
have no doctype, the markup is invalid, the logo is not enclosed in the 
intended container, and more...?
?

You may be better off starting from scratch.?
?

If you do not get a better offer, write off-list and I'll try to help 
get it going.?
?

Best,?
?

~dL?
?

?

-- 
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/?
?



 



Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage.  Plus, share and store 
photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your 
favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Any tips on image loading?

[Diona Kidd]

You could also do pre-loading and check out the Y-Slow FF plugin from  
Yahoo to see what is taking the most time to load. The plugin is on  
the Mozilla plugin site.



On Sep 15, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Brooke Nelson wrote:

> Yes for me it loads pretty quickly too, but I agree with Kenny, you
> could make that green grid background a small image that just repeats.
> That may help. Otherwise, looks good!
>
>
> On 9/15/07, Kenny Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I finally have finished the homepage, but I noticed that my  
>>> images are
>>> loading slowly.
>>>
>>> What am I missing here?
>>
>> Loads in less than a second here.  But the two header images are
>> pretty big.  One way to optimize it would be to make the green grid a
>> small repeating image in your "#header span" rule, and then put the
>> header's text as a smaller transparent image of only the text.
>> _ 
>> _
>> css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
>> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
>> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
>> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>>
> __
> css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
> List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
> List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
> Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
>

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] wordbreak

[Jukka K. Korpela]

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Ross Hulford wrote:

> Is it possible to break up words inside a table? My words when too long jump
> to the next line instead of breaking up.

You are basically out of luck with CSS in this issue. However, maybe your 
page or your table as a whole could be modified (in content or in styling) 
so that the problem does not arise.

If the problem cannot be avoided, the practical approaches are:

1) Use ­ if you wish to suggest a hyphenation point, so that 
foo­bar will appear either as foobar on one line or as
foo-
bar
on two lines. This conforms to the HTML specification and is supported by 
most modern browsers except Firefox.

2) Use  if you wish to suggest a string break point, so that
foobar will appear either as foobar on one line or as
foo
bar
(i.e. with no hyphen) on two lines. This does not conform to any
specification but is supported by most modern browsers.

There is no property for this in CSS specifications. IE recognizes the 
nonstandard word-wrap property, which can be used to suggest "emergency 
breaks", i.e. the string is to be broken (with no hyphen) at an arbitrary 
point.

More info: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/html/nobr.html#suggest

-- 
Jukka "Yucca" Korpela, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] wordbreak

[Ross Hulford]

Is it possible to break up words inside a table? My words when too long jump 
to the next line instead of breaking up.

Is there any css porperty that works?

R.


__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] wordbreak

[Ian Young]

 Behalf Of Ross Hulford
> Sent: 17 September 2007 15:09
> To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> Subject: [css-d] wordbreak
>
>
> Is it possible to break up words inside a table? My words when
> too long jump
> to the next line instead of breaking up.
>
> Is there any css property that works?
>

I think this is a case of you know what you mean!

Surely if the word breaks it will go to next line in any case?

Not really sure what you are after.

Ian
IY e-Solutions
http://www.iyesolutions.co.uk

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 16/09/2007
18:32

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

[David Laakso]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all, I have the following webpage 
> (http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm), which is broken down into 
> three sections: header, content and footer. Each section has a wrapper and 
> then content, like so...[trimmed]
>
>
> Tryst
>
>   



I regret it is not working "fine" in Firefox either-- easily broken with 
font scaling.
The problem, among other things, is it is unnecessarily complex:  you 
have no doctype, the markup is invalid, the logo is not enclosed in the 
intended container, and more...

You may be better off starting from scratch.

If you do not get a better offer, write off-list and I'll try to help 
get it going.

Best,

~dL



-- 
http://chelseacreekstudio.com/

__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Ul printing problems in my print stylesheet

[Ling, Luke C]

All,
 
To those who helped me out last time, many thanks. These print style
sheets and the power they provide is a God send. I am currently having
trouble with a finicky ul printing problem though. I'm sure I'm staring
at an obvious solution, but just can't see it right now.
 
I have a ul with type=square on the page. It renders fine on screen, and
here is the print stylesheet code:
 
ul { margin:0 0 0 1em;
 padding:0;
 list-style-position:inside;
 list-style-type:circle;
 page-break-before:avoid;
 page-break-inside:avoid; }
 
Unfortunately when I print the document I don't see any markers
designating each bullet point. The code for the list looks like this:
 

Over age 45
Under age 45 and overweight
Under age 45 and have 1 or more risk factors (see "How
likely am I to get pre-diabetes")

 
As always any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Luke Ling
Web/Graphic Design

University of Pittsburgh Diabetes Institute

Ross Building Office
4601 Baum Blvd, Suite 120
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412.802.8542

DLR Building Office
3512 Fifth Ave., Rm 304
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412.383.1287

http://diabetesinstitute.upmc.com  
 
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Easy way to replace table layout with css-layout?

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Magnus Fahlström wrote:
> I'm trying to achieve someting like this (the rows and columns that 
> is): http://www.wiberger.se/templates/vred.htm

Ok. This one is a perfect candidate for CSS table, but since no version
of IE has the slightest support for the relevant part of CSS2/2.1, we'll 
have to use a lesser solution.

Floating divs in a list...

...or floating list-items in a list...
<>
...should do.

Vertical-align can't be replicated without a lot of hacking (caused by
IE's lack of CSS support), so I've left that out.

Since this is supposed to be part of an existing layout, I've fixed the 
width in pixels.

You can of course also em-scale the entire list...

...if the layout it goes into can handle that.

regards
Georg
-- 
http://www.gunlaug.no
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Problem FF

[grovesdavid]

Hello,

Have a problem here in FF:  http://www.linkhomes2000.co.uk/index.php

If you MouseOver the menu you will see the drop down goes behind the members
login.

I know this can happen in I/E with form objects, but have never experienced
this before in FF.


Kind Regards

GM)







__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Easy way to replace table layout with css-layout?

[Joel D Canfield]

> I'm trying to achieve someting like this (the rows and 
> columns that is):
> http://www.wiberger.se/templates/vred.htm

That's tabular data, isn't it? Either it belongs in columns and rows,
and you should use a table, or it doesn't belong in columns and rows,
and just floating items left until the page width is filled would be an
acceptable visual representation, yes?

joel
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Content within wrappers not centralizing in IE7

[trystano]

Hi all, I have the following webpage 
(http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/home.htm), which is broken down into 
three sections: header, content and footer. Each section has a wrapper and then 
content, like so...


??? 



??? 



??? 


Now the website shows fine in Firefox where the header and content's content 
area's are centralized, but in IE it is not. The content's content area is fine 
in IE, but the header's content starts at the far left. Can anyone see why this 
is in the following CSS 
(http://www.trystandsamthewedding.com/styles/style.css)? I have banged my head 
on this for hours but cant put my finger on it.

Would be grateful if you can identify where the problem may be.

Thanks

Tryst


Get a FREE AOL Email account with unlimited storage.  Plus, share and store 
photos and experience exclusively recorded live music Sessions from your 
favourite artists. Find out more at http://info.aol.co.uk/joinnow/?ncid=548.
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

[css-d] Misbehaving Dynamic Nav bar

[Phil Holt]

Hello Everyone

I'm having trouble get child elements to drop beneath their parent items in
this dynamic nav bar. It seems OK in FF and Safari, but I've run out of
ideas as to how to make this work in IE. Any help will be greatly
appreciated!!

The web page is here

http://www.web-foundry.co.uk

My CSS Nav styles are:-

/*>*/




#navbar {
float:left;
padding-left:80px;
padding-top:40px;
}



#navbar .AspNet-Menu-Horizontal ul.AspNet-Menu li a {

font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;

font-size:90%;

width: 135px;

padding: 3px 5px 3px 5px;

text-align:center;

margin-right:5px;

color:#777;

background-color:#ececec;

border-bottom: solid 2px white;

}



#navbar .AspNet-Menu-Horizontal ul.AspNet-Menu li a:hover {

color:#fff;

background-color:#777;

}



.AspNet-Menu-Horizontal ul.AspNet-Menu li {

float:left;

}



#navbar .AspNet-Menu-Horizontal ul.AspNet-Menu li.AspNet-Menu-WithChildren a
{ 
float: none;

color:#777;

}



#navbar .AspNet-Menu-Horizontal ul.AspNet-Menu li.AspNet-Menu-WithChildren
a:hover {

float: none;

color:#fff;

}



/*>*/
 

Many thanks.
Phil Holt

==
Mobile: 07717 723 733
Office: 0131 718 6091
Fax: 0131 718 6000
Web Foundry Limited
9-10 St Andrew Square, Edinburgh EH2 2AF
http://www.web-foundry.co.uk
Registered in Scotland No.303224
==
 









__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/

Re: [css-d] Easy way to replace table layout with css-layout?

[Magnus Fahlström]

Gunlaug Sørtun skrev:
> Magnus Fahlström wrote:
>> It's used for layout (images with text below, arranged in rows and 
>> columns without any visible border).
>> I know some CSS but I haven't found a way to achieve this easily.
>> Thanks in advance :)
>
> As mentioned: we don't often think in rows when creating CSS layouts, 
> but columns are of course main parts of most layouts. Two and three 
> columns layouts with header and footer being the most used.
>
> There are fluid columns layouts, fixed columns layouts, elastic 
> layouts, and layouts with a mixture of fluid, fixed and elastic. The 
> most experienced of us mix so many parts together that it is sometimes 
> hard to know what to call our creations - probably not what you need 
> though.
>
> I still need a bit more information in order to guide you into and 
> through the maze of even the more basic CSS layouts. Otherwise you'll 
> easily get lost in there somewhere, and may end up with solutions that 
> don't work anywhere near as intended.
>
> Do you have an existing table-based page/site that present things 
> (more or less) the way you want?
>
> regards
> Georg
Hello again.
I'm trying to achieve someting like this (the rows and columns that is):
http://www.wiberger.se/templates/vred.htm

Thanks once again
__
css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d
List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html
Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/