6/28/85

[Jim Powell]

In the first set the correct order is Ain't Superstitious > Down In The
Bottom, not the other way round.

Re: deadlists-digest V10 #8 - 6/4/70

[Jim Powell]

What do the asterisks in the 6/4/70 list mean, Todd?

Any sign of the New Riders setlist?


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Subject: deadlists-digest V10 #8



deadlists-digest  Thursday, February 28 2013  Volume 10 : Number 008



In this issue:

   Bear's master cassettes
   6/4/70
   Re: Bear's master cassettes

See the end of the digest for information about deadlists-digest

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:57:58 -0800
From: Hewitt Jackson 
Subject: Bear's master cassettes

Hi,
I am interested in knowing if anyone has come across Bear board tapes that
included opening acts. I'm looking for specific dates and a specific band.
6/13/1969 and 8/20/1969 and band is Sanpaku. Thanks.
Hewitt

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 16:49:09 -0500
From: Todd Corey 
Subject: 6/4/70

Hey-

There's a new seed of this show circulating that fills in the blanks. The
announcer indicates that the show would consist of the following sets:

1 - Acoustic Dead
2 - New Riders
3 - Southern Comfort
4 - Electric Dead

The complete (it seems) Dead show is as follows:

Ac: *Monkey & the Engineer*, Deep Elem Blues, Candyman, Silver Threads,
FOTD, Black Peter, Cumberland Blues, Wake Up Little Susie, Swing Low Sweet
Chariot, Uncle John's Band

El: Casey Jones, Me & My Uncle, Hard to Handle, *It's A Sin, China Cat>
Rider, Attics of My Life, It's a Man's World, Minglewood Blues, Good
Lovin'*,
St. Stephen> Not Fade Away> St. Stephen Jam> Midnight Hour> China Cat Jam>
Midnight Hour

Enc: Baby Blue

Baby Blue may or may not be an encore. You probably already know all this,
but I thought I'd put it out there.

Thanks for all your work!

Todd Corey
Minot, ME

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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:56:44 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
From: Caleb  Kennedy 
Subject: Re: Bear's master cassettes

It's very rare that any of the opening bands Bear taped got into
circulation...almost never, I think, except for a couple official releases.

These people have his surviving non-Dead tapes, so they may have those
Sanpaku shows: 


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San Jose Civic not 1967 (or 1968)

[Jim Powell]

Dylan and the Hawks played San Jose in early December 1965 and stopped
touring entirely on May 26, 1966.  It is virtually certain that the Dead did
not open for them in San Jose in December 1965 (or any other time).


-- 

2/24/73 AUD & SBD

[Jim Powell]

There is a cassette containing a Truckin' > Nobody's Fault jam SBD fragment
labeled 2/24/73 and there is a cassette of a B grade AUD master (said to be
second gen) which contains Wave that Flag, You Ain't Woman Enough#'; Truckin
> Nobody's Fault jam > Eyes Of The World > jam > Feelin Groovy jam > jam > Sugar
Magnolia and, from the first set, El Paso.  Both cassettes were in
circulation by 1990 if not earlier.
-- 

Fillmore Aud 11/19/66 or Winterland 3/17/67

[Jim Powell]

According to my notes Latvala's cassette of this tape is labeled "3/17/67"
-- a dating Eaton concurred with.  Comparison of its  Cold Rain and Cream
Puff War with the performances at Winterland 3/18/67 suggests that the
"3/17/67" dating is correct.  IMO.



The Deadlists setlist for this tape appears to be correct:

1 set:

Cold Rain
Hi-Heel Sneakers
Pain In My Heart
Beat It On Down The Line
Cream Puff War
The Same Thing
He Was A Friend Of Mine
Dancing In The Street

2nd set

Smokestack Lightning >
King Bee
Midnight Hour


-- 

10/30/70b

[Jim Powell]

Here is the list I have on file for Stony Brook 10/30/70b.  This is what
should have been posted on the site, like, over a decade ago.  Why it wasn't
or how it got switched or whatever ...  Maybe it can get posted there now?




BANDGrateful Dead
VENUEUniversity Gymnasium - State University of New York
CITYStony Brook
STATENY
DATE10/30/70b
SET1[53:39 +]  Workin' Man Blues [3:59] ; [1:21] ; Whatcha Gonna Do
[4:06] ; [0:06] % Truck Drivin' Man [3:16] ; [0:37] ; Hello Trouble [3:12] ;
[0:34] ; Portland Woman [5:08] ; [0:14] ; Sweet Lovin One [4:47] ; [0:09] %
Dirty Business [9:37] % The Weight [7:18] ; [0:10] % Louisiana Lady [3:42] ;
[0:29] ; Honky Tonk Women [4:47] ; [0:07]
SET2[1:41:13 +]  Smokestack Lightnin' [7:54] ; [0:24] ; Beat It On Down
The Line [1:46] ; [0:18] ; China Cat Sunflower [3:04] > Jam [1:45] > I Know
You Rider [4:10] ; [0:13] % [0:04] ; Friend Of The Devil [4:12] ; [0:03] %
Truckin' [7:13] ; [0:13] % [0:05] ; Candyman [6:18] ; [0:26] ; It Hurts Me
Too [4:22] ; [0:02] % Dancing In The Street [11:48] ; [0:47] ; Big Railroad
Blues [4:52] ; [0:07] % Saint Stephen [7:55] > Drums [0:15] > Not Fade Away
[3:13] > Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [4:54] > Not Fade Away [1:10] >
Turn On Your Lovelight [21:54] ; [0:09]
SET3
ENCORE
COMMENTSLate Show total time 2:34:52 +.  Early & Late Show total time
4:20:15 +.  SET 1 is the complete Late Show NRPS set with Garcia, pedal
steel.  SET 2 is the complete Late Show electric Dead set.  This is a 2-beat
Beat It On Down The Line.  There is a Tighten Up Jam starting 5 minutes in
to Dancin'.

Eaton lists:

10/30/70 School Gym, SUNY University, Stonybrook Ny - late[vbcrlf]  4.8,
107min, Sbd, A0D2, Reel M->PCM 0->Dat 2, 44k,[vbcrlf]  7inch Master
Reels@7.5ips 1/2trk->PCM x 0->Dat x 2
RECORDING155 SB
CONTRIBUTORSJim Powell  Matt Schofield  Dwight Holmes

-- 

"Golden Hall, San Diego 8/5/70" (so called)

[Jim Powell]

Some comments after listening to "San Diego 8/5/70":

>From the audience noise, no, this can't be Golden Hall, San Diego (cap.
3800) -- and it can't be the Matrix either.  Maybe the Euphoria Ballroom
though.

To judge from the relaxed first set it has to be a Bay Area venue, and the
material and performances are summer 1970.

The soundboard tape reflects careful micing and the mix -- with wide
separation of instruments -- suggests Bear.  And Bear was especially into
the acoustic material at this point.  Also if it's Bear during this period
it has to be Bay Area.

This argues that the tape is Euphoria Ballroom San Rafael 7/16/70.

I disagree about the sets.   During the first set Jerry is subdued, his
vocals and guitar uncertain.  From Deep Elem on it's a whole 'nother Jerry.
The fact that the micing, mix and ambience don't vary implies that it's all
from one date.

Both set-lists are short compared to most acoustic Dead sets from 70 which
tend to run over 50 minutes but a 2-acoustic-set format was already unusual
(compare New Orleans 1/31/70).

Candyman was never an opener but from there the 1st set is plauisbly
complete.  Swing Low was always a closer.  Deep Elem was often an opener and
again from there the sequence is plausible but it can't be a complete set;
there must have been at least another 1-2 tunes after Ballad of Casey Jones.

Marmaduke's vocals and Nelson's mandolin make at least one NRPS set seem
likely on the bill.  This could easily lead to abbreviated acoustic Dead
sets.

How many guitars are there on Mama Tried?  How many on Dire Wolf?  Is there
a 12-string in there?  Would that be Crosby?




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Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 22:35:53 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Caleb  Kennedy 
Subject: Re: 8/5/70

The deadessays "acoustic sets" post is a little out of date -
along with the JGMF post comments, this post has some discussion about
8/5/70: 


A lot to read, so these are the main points. (My conclusions, so
others may disagree.)

1. As far as I know, we have no proof there even was an 8/5/70 San
Diego show aside from this tape label.

2. Soundwise, it is evident the tape comes from a small club and
cannot possibly be from the Golden Hall.

3. I do not believe the Dead would have gone to San Diego just to play
an acoustic show, unless it was billed as such. (Like the "Thee Club"
shows in LA at the end of August, which were advertised as "acoustical
Grateful Dead and the Riders of the Purple Sage.")

4. That being the case, I think this tape most likely comes from a Bay
Area club show. The Dead were playing local acoustic shows on several
dates, with the New Riders.

5. It's very likely there was more to the show that we don't have. Our
tape seems to me to be edited down to fit on a 60-minute tape - the
cuts between songs sound too clean to have been done by the taper. (My
suspicion is that the traditional division into two "sets" comes from
the split between two 30-minute cassette sides.)

6. I think it very likely there was an NRPS set as well, as we have on
7/30/70. Beyond that, there's no way to know. (My own suspicion is
that there was no Dead electric set, or it would have circulated as
well.)

It's been pointed out that it's very strange for a tape to be falsely
labeled "Golden Hall, San Diego" (especially if there was no San Diego
show!) - this I can't explain.

More research in the San Diego papers that week is needed.

10/25/69 stage & 1969 keyboards

[Jim Powell]

I don't remember anything about keyboards at Winterland 10/25/69 besides the
remarkable stage set-up; with 2 keyboards flanking 2 drum-sets.  Maybe the
other keyboard belonged to the Sons of Champlin, who opened.

What I do remember of the show was the Dark Star sequence, which was
completely convincing, and specifically the moment when they fall off into
space after the vocals and I thought, 'wow, these guys are serious,' and
Pigpen's vocals & presence during Lovelight.  Stephen Stills sits in on the
Lovelight; he's oddly forward in the mix on the tape, but I had no idea he
was something extra.  I had no expectations.  At that point I'd heard the
first album, period.

I'm pretty sure I also recall a China Cat > Rider and a High Time, but the
tape of the tunes before Dark Star still hasnt' come into circulation.


-- 

studio rehearsal 11/6/68

[Jim Powell]

I think Caleb has it right that it is in fact Constanten and that it makes
sense to accept the 11/6/68 date.

The fact that this tape isn't in the Vault suggests that it originates from
a dub made for Constanten.  The mix is variable and crude, like a mixdown to
cassette done on the fly.

If they were in the studio 11/5/68, the 6th would just be after midnight,
and it would make sense if they started with the material ostensibly for the
album -- Clementine -- and then later in the session moved on to rehearse
material for performance.

I just hunted up my original copy of the "Alembic" tape -- a TDK D-90 Normal
Bias cassette that was among my first dozen tapes, acquired in '82.  It is
labeled "Alembic Studios 11/6/68", doesn't include all the Eleven material,
and has the Rio Nido 9/3/67 Midnight Hour for filler.  It is probably early
in the tape's cassette circulation and fairly low gen but the signal is
considerably degraded compared to the digital copy.

Pigpen got his B-3 back before long.  He kept contributing keyboards
alongside T.C. and later alongside Keith.  At my first show -- Winterland
10/25/69 -- the Dead's stage set-up was remarkable for the two drum-sets
flanked by two keyboards, one probably a Hammond.


-- 

8/16/69 St. Stephen

[Jim Powell]

Since writing the description posted on Deadlists I have seen the video &
heard pristine tape and yes, I , there is no cut in the Stephen.  As is
plain in the video, they are seriously tripping.  Only Billy looks
reasonably steady with it.
-- 

studio rehearsal 11/6/68

[Jim Powell]

I got hold of a digital copy of this tape, which I knew only in a mediocre
cassette I can no longer play & haven't heard in about eight years.  It
makes a difference.

Obviously the keyboards are an electic organ, and the audibility of the
player's touch is transformed, compared to the cassette and persuades me
that George Prescott is right that the keyboards are Constanten.  The way
T.C. is constantly behind the beat is plain to hear on the digital copy.
The cassette obscured its precise attack.

The mix of the master is atrocious.

Wastn't the timing of Constanten's first performance with the band
contingent on his Air Force discharge?  But didn't he rehearse with the band
while on leave before that?

It would be nice to know the provenance of the "Nov 6 68" date.



-- 

supposed "Alembic studio 68 rehearsal with T.C."

[Jim Powell]

It would be useful if someone who's in touch with him -- without mentioning
any names -- could ask T.C. to give a listen to the tape posted on
archive.org and see if he can say whether it's him or not.

Maybe he'll surprise us but it sounds like there's an emerging consensus
that the keyboards aren't T.C. and aren't Pipgen, for whom the incessant
wooden repetition of that riff would have been as unlikely as for T.C.,
unless maybe he was on a macrobiotic fast and ludes or something.

Maybe it's an electric organ, John.  It's not necessarily possible to tell,
especially at that point.

I hazarded the "May-June 1958" date based on the sense that the band is less
together, more tentative than in the August 68 tapes (21, 22, 23, 24, 28)
and partly because they are rehearsing material they play in August.

But maybe the "11/6/68" date is accurate.  It's around the period when we
have circulating tapes of Dead members with other musicians & without Pigpen
& Bobby (Oct 8, 9, 10 & 30).  Where does the "11/6/68" date come from?  Can
Lemieux comment on this?  How is this tape labeled in the Vault?

I have the impression that "Alembic" was a name Bear applied variously at
will.

*

Michael Zlotnick., my guess is your bootleg's track is actually Cafe a Go
Go, NYC 9/29/69 Doin' That Rag [7:30] > The Seven [7:04] ...


-- 

supposed "Alembic studio 68 rehearsal with T.C.

[Jim Powell]

Regarding the tape long in circulation labled "Alembic Studio, Dec. 68,
rehearsal with T.C." (containing Lovelight, Dark Star 11:49, Stephen X 2,
Eleven X4):

If I remember right in the early 80s when the cassette came into circulation
this labeling of the tape was speculative in the first place.  It didn't
come so labeled.  We didn't know what it was but it was clearly a '68 studio
rehearsal & we assumed the keyboards was Constanten and understood that he
joined the band in December '68 and labeled the tape accordingly.

When I went back & listened to this tape again several years ago, I found
that -- to my ear -- it challenges this whole line of reasoning.  The
keyboards sound nothing like Constanten, who has classical training & a
classically trained "touch" which is readily apparent in all his recorded
performances with the Dead & elsewhere.  There are several shows where he
plays snatches of Bach etc., before songs.  The hands playing those notes,
or his parts with the Dead, sound nothing like the fingers on this 1968
tape.


A possible complicating factor is that the keyboard on the tape is an
electric piano, which has -- especially early version of that period -- an
action nothing like a mechanical piano, so that it is possible that the
fingers sound nothing like Constanten's because he was playing a different
instrument.  I don't think this is the case, but it might be.

If the keyboards on this tape aren't T.C. and I listen to it without
assumptions, it sounds to me more like the state of the Dark Star > Stephen
> Eleven material in May of '68 rather than in December.

Stephen & the Eleven were paired from their breakout, in mid-June '68.  If
this is a rehearsal, May makes good sense.


I would like to hear if Constanten himself has anything to say about this,
and if David Lemieux has any input.

Dark Star list update

[Jim Powell]

Please post appropriately:



DARK STAR


This document consists of two parts.  The first catalogs all known Dark Star
performances and gives timings for all circulating tapes.  It is comprised
of 4 lists:

   Circulating Tapes Of Dark Star
   Dark Stars Still Missing From Circulation
   Dark Stars available only on AUD tape
   Fragmentary Dark Star Tapes In Circulation
   
The second part is a note on the evolution of Dark Star.


*


CIRCULATING TAPES OF DARK STAR  [3/30/12]

The following is a list of the 227 live performances of Dark Star plus 4
studio versions for which tape currently circulates, including three tapes,
one from spring '68, one from May '68 and another from Fall '68, whose
venues and exact dates are unknown.  It gives the timing of each, an
indication of what is missing if the tape is fragmentary, and the best tape
source for each; the existence of AUD tapes is usually not indicated if SBD
circulates.


American Studios, LA 11/14/67:  2 studio versions  2:48 & 2:41 SBD
LA Studio, late 67:  2:38  SBD   Warner Bros Single 7186

Carousel Ballroom 1/17/68:  beginning clipped  #4:48 SBD
Eureka 1/20/68:  breaks off after 3:17  FM-SBD
Seattle 1/22/68:  5:49  SBD
Kings Beach Bowl, Lake Tahoe 1/24/68:  6:49  Dick's Picks 22
Portland 2/3/68:  5:26  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 2/14/68:  5:54  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/16/68:  7:20  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/26/68:  7:14  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/30/68:   8:45  SBD
Alembic Studios, SF early or mid 68:  studio rehearsal 11:49  SBD --
formerly dated 11/ or 12/68
UV spring '68:  #4:04 SBD  only the end of the jam with several minutes
missing before it
Unknown Venue 5/68:  16:06  SBD
Fillmore West 8/21/68:  beginning missing 14:14  SBD
Fillmore West 8/22/68:  11:19  SBD
Shrine, LA 8/23/68:  15:30  SBD
Shrine, LA 8/24/68:  11:21  SBD   Two From The Vault
Avalon 8/28/68:  10:40  SBD
Sky River Festival, Sultan, WA 9/2/68:  13:51   SBD
Unknown Venue Fall '68:  12:12.  Probably the Matrix, probably October.
Matrix 10/8/68:  11:40  SBD
Matrix 10/9/68:  13:05  SBD
Avalon 10/12/68:  15:30SBD  Widely circulated mislabeled "10/13/68."
Avalon 10/13/68:  beginning missing  13:35  SBD.  The actual show for this
date.
Greek, Berkeley 10/20/68:  10:05SBD
Matrix 10/30/68:  two Dark Stars on this date, the 2nd with Jack Casady
17:30 & 19:24  SBD
Chico 11/1/68:  11:30  SBD
Columbus 11/22/68  beginning missing 12:47  AUD
Bellarmine College, Louisville 12/7/68:  beginning missing  13:24  SBD
Gulfstream Raceway, Hallendale, FL 12/29/68:  10:26 SBD

Santa Barbara 1/17/69:  13:18 SBD
Avalon 1/24/69:  18:59 SBD
Avalon 1/25/69:  beginning missing #14:08  SBD
Avalon 1/26/69:  9:#45 with cut in middle  SBD
St. Paul 2/2/69:  15:33  SBD
Omaha 2/4/69:  13:15  SBD
Kansas City 2/5/69:  beginning missing  11:43  SBD
St. Louis 2/6/69:  13:54 cut in the middle  SBD
Pittsburgh 2/7/69:  14:09
Fillmore East 2/11/69:  12:29  SBD   Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (Arista)
Fillmore East  2/12/69 Late Show   only the final 4:58  SBD
Philadelphia 2/14/69:  first bar clipped 19:23  SBD
Philadelphia 2/15/69:  22:42  SBD
Dream Bowl, Vallejo 2/21/69:  22:22.  SBD
Vallejo 2/22/69:  22:17  SBD
*Fillmore West 2/27/69:   23:05  SBDLive Dead
Fillmore West 2/28/69:  19:50  SBD
Fillmore West 3/1/69:  22:48  SBD
Fillmore West 3/2/69:  20:37  SBD
SF Hilton 3/15/69:  19:07  SBD
Pasadena 3/22/69:  15:25  SBD
Modesto 3/28/69:  22:45  SBD.  Formerly mislabeled "Merced 3/27/69".
Las Vegas 3/29/69:  21:15  SBD
Avalon 4/4/69:  20:18  SBD
Avalon 4/5/69:  18:39  SBD
Tucson 4/11/69:  20:20  SBD
Salt Lake City 4/12/69:  #22:21  SBD
*Boulder 4/13/69:  24:01   SBD
Omaha 4/15/69  20:20  excellent AUD
St. Louis 4/17/69   21:36  SBD
Worcester 4/20/69:  21:12  SBD
The Ark, Boston 4/21/69:  22:51  SBD
*Boston 4/22/69:  30:42  SBD
Boston Ark 4/23/69:  21:02  SBD
Chicago 4/26/69:  1:25  SBD
*Minneapolis 4/27/69: 26:37  SBD  Dick's Picks
Polo Field, Golden Gate Park, SF 5/7/69:  22:19  SBD
Rose Palace, Pasadena 5/10/69:  20:59  SBD
Hollywood, FL 5/23/69:   18:47  SBD
Springer's Inn, Portland, OR 5/30/69:  17:02  SBD
McArthur Court, Eugene 5/31/69:  23:58  SBD
Fillmore West 6/5/69:  21:11  SBD
Fillmore West 6/7/69:  20:46   SBD
Monterey 6/14/69:  15:10  SBD
Fillmore East 6/21/69 Late Show:  nearly all of central jam missing  7:#43
SBD
Central Park, NYC 6/22/69:  beginning missing and with cut in middle  12:01
B+ AUD
Santa Rosa 6/27/69:  25:49SBD
Electric Theater, Chicago 7/5/69:  18:11  SBD
*Piedmont Park, Atlanta 7/7/69:  26:58  SBD
Queens 7/12/69:  9:40   mildly degraded SBD
Family Dog At The Great Highway 8/3/69  23:07  SBD
Woodstock 8/16/69:  17:50  SBD
Seattle 8/20/69:  6:38  SBD
St. Helens, OR 8/23/69:  1st vocals missing  26:#44 SBD.
*Family Dog 8/28/69: 63:#51  SBD  (Dark Star 31:16 # 16:03 > Eleven jam 9:49
> Dark Star 6:43)  [*w/ Howard Wales & w/o Weir, McKernan, or Constanten]
*Family Dog 8/30/69:  28:56  SBD
New Orleans 9/1/69:  17:47  mildly degraded SBD
Fillmore East 9/26/69:  beginning missing 17:24  B AUD

2/23/70

[Jim Powell]

2/23/70 was the day of the Dead Bust Benefit at Winterland, with Santana,
It's A Beautiful Day, QMS & the Airplane playing to raise funds for the
Dead's legal fees for the New Orleans bust the end of January.  The Dead
were in Austin on this date.

I don't doubt your memory Harry, but the date's wrong.  (right era)
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Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 19:25:33 -0800
From: Harry Angus 
Subject: gd70-02-23

Does anybody remember the concert, Spring of '70, at the Colisseum, that
started out with Josephus, then progressed through John Mayall, Beautiful
Day, and Quicksilver, culminating with the Grateful Dead? After the
concert, 'everybody' went to the Hand for resurrection. I was focusing on a
guy with really curly black hair & granny glasses who I thought was my
friend Kenny (things were a tad wavy). The saloon-type doors burst open,
and a tall, skinny guy in a fringed leather jacket came in, walked up to
'Kenny', and started stabbing at him with a knife! 'Kenny' pulled a 'gun'!
This was unheard of among all us peace-lovin' types. Anyhow, it transpired
that 'Kenny' was Jerry Garcia and the tall fringed one was John Cipollina,
from Quicksilver. The knife was rubber and the gun was a water pistol.
Apparently this was something they pulled on a semi-regular basis . . . I
went back to talking to one of the Beautiful Day adjunct personnel until it
was time to melt back into the night . . .(YallerKitty)
http://www.houstonarchitecture.com/haif/user/5453-yallerkitty/

10/17/70

[Jim Powell]

If Jeff Linton has a cassette of 10/17/70 he should put a copy into
circulation.  I'm sure we can find someone to help if he needs it.

It would be useful to hear whether there was a NRPS set on this night.

And it would be useful to hear from Linton himself.




Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:05:52 -0800
From: David Gans 
Subject: Re: Setlists

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On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Jeff Linton wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>=20
> Sorry to bother you with this.
>=20
> I've noticed for years that the setlist for my first GD show is not =
listed in any of the databases.
> Occasionally when I'm bored, which isn't often, I try to contribute my =
list to several of the
> databases to no avail.
>=20
> Perhaps you have better connections that I, and can get this to the =
powers that be.  Here goes:
>=20
> Cleveland Music Hall 10/17/70
>=20
> Set One
> Casey Jones
> China Cat Sunflower
> I know You Rider
> Me and My Uncle
> It Hurts me Too
> Truckin'
> The Other One
> Cryptical Envelopment
> Sugar Magnolia
> Candyman
> Hard to Handle
>=20
> Set Two
> Good Love
> Drums
> Good Love
> Cold Rain and Snow
> Dark Star
> Not Fade Away
> Going Down the Road
> Not Fade Away
> Lovelight
>=20
> Encore
> Uncle John's Band
>=20
> It was a double shotgun blast of the Live Dead/Skull and Roses =
experience.
> It was a week before my 17th birthday and I've been on the bus ever =
since.
>=20
> This was at the smaller Music Hall that is backed up against and =
shares stage area=20
> with the much larger Public Hall. I seem to  recall seeing a review =
saying they were
> so loud that it could be heard  in the Public Hall during a =
performance by either the=20
> Cleveland Pops or Cleveland Orchestra.
>=20
> I can back this up with a very old mono cassette recording I made at =
the concert.
> In spite of the Bob and Jerry songs, the Dark Star, the Other One etc, =
it was very much,
> without a doubt, Pigpens band
> What a BIG FAT SOUND they had back then!
>=20
> After the concert, as me were walking down the sidewalk along the =
hall, there came a deep rumble
> down from the pit of the basement of the hall, up the ramp there comes =
dozens of Bikers up the ramp.
> =46rom five feet away on the sidewalk we thought we saw Jerry at the =
head of the pack. Over the years
> I've heard in no uncertain terms Jerry never road a hog, but it sure =
was a nice vision and a fitting end to
> a wild concert.
>=20
> Many Thanks,
> Jeff Linton
>=20
>=20

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On Dec 5, 2011, at =
11:05 AM, Jeff Linton wrote:Hi Dave,Sorry to bother you with =
this.I've noticed for years that the setlist for my first GD =
show is not listed in any of the databases.Occasionally when I'm =
bored, which isn't often, I try to contribute my list to several of =
thedatabases to no avail.Perhaps you have better connections =
that I, and can get this to the powers that be.  Here =
goes:Cleveland Music Hall 10/17/70Set OneCasey =
JonesChina Cat SunflowerI know You RiderMe and My =
UncleIt Hurts me TooTruckin'The Other OneCryptical =
EnvelopmentSugar MagnoliaCandymanHard to HandleSet =
TwoGood LoveDrumsGood LoveCold Rain and SnowDark =
StarNot Fade AwayGoing Down the RoadNot Fade =
AwayLovelightEncoreUncle John's BandIt was a =
double shotgun blast of the Live Dead/Skull and Roses experience.It =
was a week before my 17th birthday and I've been on the bus ever =
since.This was at the smaller Music Hall that is backed up =
against and shares stage area with the much larger =
Public Hall. I seem to  recall seeing a review saying they =
wereso loud that it could be heard  in the Public Hall during a =
performance by either the Cleveland Pops or =
Cleveland Orchestra.I can back this up with a very old mono =
cassette recording I made at the concert.In spite of the Bob and =
Jerry songs, the Dark Star, the Other One etc, it was very =
much,without a doubt, Pigpens bandWhat a BIG FAT =
SOUND they had =
back then!After the concert, as me were walking down the =
sidewalk along the hall, there came a deep rumbledown from the pit =
of the basement of the hall, up the ramp there comes dozens of Bikers up =
the ramp.=46rom five feet away on the sidewalk we thought we saw =
Jerry at the head of the pack. Over the yearsI've heard in no =
uncertain terms Jerry never road a hog, but it sure was a nice vision =
and a fitting end toa wild concert.Many Thanks,Jeff =
Linton
mailto:da...@trufun.com";>da...@trufun.com or mailto:da...@gdhour.com";>da...@gdhour.comTruth =
and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA =
94610-2

12/28/91 redux

[Jim Powell]

Actually, the tape of 12/28/91 with The Same Thing spliced out isn't an
"official release" but a tape posted, according to a previous post, at
Archive.org.  

There are intact excellent AUD masters and intact SBD tapes of this show
around.  

So the question isn't for Bobby but for whoever chopped up the tape in the
first place & posted it -- doing a big favor to the Dead's music and the
community of its lovers.
-- 

12/28/91 Same Thing

[Jim Powell]

The Dead played The Same Thing as listed 12/28/91.  I heard it live & have
SBD cassette that includes it.  Why the official release cuts it?  Ask
Bobby?


-- 


From: owner-deadlists-dig...@eecs.berkeley.edu (deadlists-digest)
Reply-To: deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 05:56:01 -0800 (PST)
To: deadlists-dig...@eecs.berkeley.edu
Subject: deadlists-digest V8 #5



deadlists-digest   Monday, February 21 2011   Volume 08 : Number 005



In this issue:

   3/20/67 Fugazi Hall
   10/5/70 Winterland
   12/28/91 Oakland, CA
   12/31/77 video on Youtube
   2/11/69b
   Conjecture on undated 1966 'Pauley Ballroom' reel

See the end of the digest for information about deadlists-digest

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:25:42 -0800
From: Harry Angus 
Subject: 3/20/67 Fugazi Hall

3/20/67-no shows between the 12th and the 29th on Deadlists but it's on
dead.net.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5402836217_15b9a8c888.jpg
To the south of the square, at 678 Green Street, is the Casa Coloniale
Italiana, better known as Fugazi Hall. It was built as an Italian community
center by John Fugazi, who founded the first of San Francisco's Italian
banks in 1893 (A.P. Giannini served on the board of Fugazi's bank until
leaving to form what became the Bank of America). In recent years, its
theater has been used as a cabaret by the long-running Beach Blanket
Babylon.

--

Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:58:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Barry Smith 
Subject: 10/5/70 Winterland

I have heard that some of this show has surfaced.  I think "Dancing."
Anything else?

--

Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 18:42:31 -0500
From: "F. Daniel Rzicznek" 
Subject: 12/28/91 Oakland, CA

Hello Mr. Field and anyone else at Deadlists who may be reading--

I happened to give 12/28/91 a random listen today and when comparing
the sources from the Grateful Dead collection at Archive.org to the
setlist here at Deadlists, I noted that "The Same Thing" is missing
from Set II in-between "Playin' in the Band" and "Drums." All sources
at the Archive list this song, and there is no audible gap or flip
between "Playin" and "The Same Thing" on the source I listened to. I
think this is obviously a correction that needs to be made for
Deadlists' entry for this night's show.

Thanks for helping to maintain such an incredibly resourceful (and
delightful!) site. I use it almost daily.

Gratefully,
Dan Rzicznek   

--

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 20:06:00 +0900
From: Gil-dong Hong 
Subject: 12/31/77 video on Youtube

There's no mention of the multi-camera, pro-shot b/w video (at least set 2)
that has been on Youtube for at least two years.



--

Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:32:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Foster 
Subject: 2/11/69b

Hello,

Love the Deadlists site.  Just noticed that the setlists for 2/11/69a and
2/11/69b are the same.  The setlist for the early show (a) looks correct,
if you match it up with the double-CD 2/11/69 Fillmore East release.
The 2/11/69b or late show needs to be updated.

Late show

Dupree's Diamond Blues
Mountains of the Moon
Dark Star
Saint Stephen
The Eleven
Drums
Caution (Do Not Stop on Trracks)
Feedback
We Bid You Goodnight

Hope this helps,
Andrew

--

Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:47:16 +1100
From: Tim Rhimes 
Subject: Conjecture on undated 1966 'Pauley Ballroom' reel

Hi,

I was listening to http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=81254,
which is composed of reels from various 1966 performances. There are
some comments from the stage at the end of the following reel that
prompted me to make some observations:

Pauley Ballroom #2 (no date) -  10" Reel 1/2 Track @ 15IPS:
You Don't Have To Ask - Phil Talks About The Move To L.A.
Viola Lee Blues (some static at start of song)
I Know You Rider
Midnight Hour (plug pulled)

The plug is pulled on the band during Midnight Hour. Various comments ensue,
then Bob says '..next Saturday night, this coming Saturday night, if
you're in Los Angeles..' which I assume is a show announcement of some
kind. The band went to LA in early February.  The only specific date I
have seen is in 'A Long Strange Trip' by Dennis McNally who says the
band flew up on Sunday the 6th of February on the day of the
Northridge Unitarian Church Acid Test. Note that I have also seen
Northridge dated as 2/5/66 and 2/19/66 (Bear's date) just to compound
the confusion. On the Tapers Section, David Lemieux released Tastebud
and Mindbender from a reel he stated was labelled 2/6/66.  Based on
Phil's comment 'move to LA next week'and Bobby saying 'LA next
Saturday' the band is still in San Francisco, and it is most likely to
be the Saturday through Friday previous to the date of the event Weir
is referring to. 

One scenario is Bobby is referring to Watts on the 12th, giving this
reel a li

undated 66 reel aka Pico Acid Test 3/12/66

[Jim Powell]

There's a segment of tape running around 30 minutes that contains Viola Lee
Blues, You See A Broken Heart, Midnight Hour (cut) that was in circulation
by 1980 and probably sooner, labeled "Pico Acid Test, Danish Hall 3/12/66"
and  also sometimes "Los Angeles 3/19/66".  These tapes should be
crosschecked.  I'm guessing this is the same material, whatever the correct
date & venue.

black dog

[Jim Powell]

hi David,

I went out for a bike ride along the bay shore after sunset and on the way
back this black dog ran out of the shadows and into my front wheel and
knocked me flat   I hit the ground so hard it separated my left shoulder,
hit the side of my head a pretty good blow, almost knocked me out.  I
managed to get up and bike th rest of the way home, and called Teri who god
bless her came over and got me to Alta Bates emergency room.  Three hours
and three X-rays later I'm home.  Six weeks to heal the doctor says.  I've
also got a hardball sized lump on my right side at my waist where I abraded
the ground, which is supposed to go away in 3 days or see about it.  The
shoulder hurts worst, better after some vicodin & ibuprofen.  Coulda been
worse for sure but it coulda not happened.  That twice now animals have run
into me causing accidents in about 8 months.  What's with that?

The bay view was hazed out.  You could see the Bay Bridge and lights of the
city, but everthing north of the bulk and light of Alcatraz -- Marin
headlands, Mt. Tam, Angel Island, Tiburon -- was veiled behind a muted
Diebenkorn dusk.  

I made up a short poem yesterday, before all this went down, and revised it
in my head while looking at the bay view.  I think maybe it's to be regarded
as a reply to Scarcity Economics,.  I a[pend it.

Teri came by and gave me lift over to Wallgreens to fill a prescription for
Vocodin & pick up Ibuprofin, and the former is starting to kick in, that
goodness,

ouch


Jim



REPLY

The world is all
one web
to the spider 
at the center,
for the fly
stuck thereby:
the honeybee
hunts nectar.


-- 

attn Kevin

[Jim Powell]

hi Kevin.

I just mismailed a piece of personal mail to deadlists. ( I'm a little out
of it.)  No big deal but if you can remove it before it goes out to the
list, thank you.

Jim


-- 

Fillmore East 2/11/70 Late Show

[Jim Powell]

Here is what';s supposed to be posted for the 2/11/70 LATE show.

It may need updating.



BANDGrateful Dead
VENUEFillmore East
CITYNew York
STATENY
DATE02/11/70b
SET1[1:20:46 +]  [0:30  Intro by Keeva Krystal] ; Not Fade Away [11:58]
; [0:02] % Cumberland Blues [4:39] % [0:08] ; Cold Rain And Snow [5:16]
;[0:04] % [0:14] ; High Time [6:48] % [0:09] ; Me And My Uncle [2:58] ;
[0:06] % [0:07] Dark Star [16:20] > Spanish Jam [9:23] > Turn On Your
Lovelight [32:49] ; [0:49]
SET2
SET3
ENCORE[0:13  Intro] ; Uncle John's Band [5:14] ; [0:24]
COMMENTSLate Show.  Total time  1:26:37 +.  Arthur Lee of Love adds
percussion to the Dark Star.  The third guitarist audible starting about
2:30 into Dark Star and for several minutes thereafter is Peter Green.
Duane Allman on slide guitar enters around the middle of Dark Star.  Gregg
Allman adds organ & vocals during Lovelight, and Barry Oakley plays a second
bass on Lovelight. Richard Pipes believes Fleetwood Mac-member Danny
Kirwan's guitar is also to be discerned in the background.  The encore is
acoustic Dead, with only one acoustic guitar.  The timings are from the AUD
supplemented by the SBD.  The Allman Bros and Love were also on the bill.

There are also two SBDs in circulation.  The one that has circulated for
many years starts 10:23 minutes into the Dark Star, with the best copies
breaking off 3:41 before the end of the Lovelight (or cutting to an AUD
patch); however, most copies of the SBD in circulation break off about a
minute earlier.  Usually the beginning of this tape is patched in from the
AUD.  Recently a new copy of a SBD has come into circulation.  It includes
the entire Late Show but at 6:58 into the Dark Star it has a cut in which
3:52 is missing; there are also copies of this SBD in circulation with this
cut patched from the AUD.  It also has a cut at 30:16 of Lovelight, with
0:27 missing; this also can be patched from the AUD.  Probably the older
circulating SBD comes from the surreptitious master (see below) while the
recent copy comes from the vault master (this is speculation, however).

TAPES FROM FILLMORE EAST FEBRUARY 1970

Reportedly it was during this Late Show that clever and industrious Fillmore
East stagecrew members including John Chester and Alan Mande managed to
patch a Revox reel-to-reel deck with 15-inch reels into the PA feed
underneath the stage, and the moment when our circulating SBD tape picks up
the Dark Star, 10:23 after its opening, is the moment when they managed to
get their jury-rigged system up and running.  Circulating copies of this SBD
master break off 3:41 before the end of the Lovelight; perhaps this cut is
on the master.  In addition to this 45 minute from 2/11/70 our enterprising
heroes taped the Late Shows on the 13th and 14th (but apparently not the
Early Shows), and copies of these tapes have been in circulation since the
early 70s.

Bear also ran SBD masters of the 13th and 14th, and much of this material
has now been released on Bear's Choice and Dick's Pick 4.  However, it is
unclear whether there is any SBD from the 11th in the vault.  For the Dick's
Picks 4 release, Jeffrey Norman patched gaps in the vault SBDs of the 13th
and 14th using the surreptitious second SBD masters -- good karma all
around.  The GD Records / Polygram Records CD, "Allman Bros Band Fillmore
East February 1970," (GDCD 4063) releases tape of the Allmans from this run
and may contain tunes from this date.

Recently, SBD tapes of the Early Shows from 2/13 and 2/14 have come into
circulation, in FM and pre-FM copies.

Besides the several SBDs from this run there are also two AUD tapes in
circulation, one of the 2/11/70 Late Show and one of the 2/13/70 Early Show
(see Comments under this date).  There is a complete copy of the 2/11/70 AUD
master in circulation, and it also appears as patches for the first 10:23 of
the Dark Star and last 3:41 of the Lovelight, otherwise missing on the older
circulating SBD tape, and in patches of the missing 3:52 starting at 6:58 of
the more recently circulated SBD.  The AUD of the 2/13/70 Early Show could
easily be by the same taper as the 2/11/70 AUD.  Both tapes have strong
saturation and strong bass, and both have decent but not perfect mic
placement, and as a result boomy in the bass with considerable hall
resonance and audience noise.  There is no evidence of AUD tape from the
14th in circulation.

Eaton lists:

02/11/70 The Fillmore East, New York City Ny - xcerpt[vbcrlf]  4.9, 115min,
Sbd, A0D1, Reel M->Dat  1, 44k,[vbcrlf]  7inch Master re...@15ips
1/2trk->3700 x 0->3700 x 1
RECORDING90 A?  45 SB
CONTRIBUTORSJim Powell  Alan Mande  Steve Silberman  Kenny Schachat
Richard S. Pipes


-- 

Fillmore East 5/15/70 Late Show list

[Jim Powell]

Here's the correct list for the 5/15/70 Late Show according to my sources.
It's what's supposed to be posted on Deadlists.  I have not checked out the
Road Trips release so I don't know nothin about Deep Elem.  I note that this
list coincides with the one posted by Richard Neer except that my timings
differentiate between the music and the pauses; his timings look like track
timings that combine them.

BANDGrateful Dead
VENUEFillmore East
CITYNew York
STATENY
DATE05/15/70b
SET1[45:24]  The Ballad Of Casey Jones [2:25] ; [0:40] ; Silver Threads
And Golden Needle [3:29] ; [0:20] ; Black Peter [7:01] ; [0:24] ; Friend Of
The Devil [3:47] ; [2:00] ; Uncle John's Band [6:18] ; [0:32] ; Candyman
[5:05] ; [2:16  Intro] ; She's Mine [2:40] ; [0:17] Katie Mae [4:00] ;
[1:26] ; A Voice From On High [2:41] ; [0:09]
SET2[1:15:26]  [3:22  Intro] ; Brown Eyed Handsome Man [3:51] ; [0:32] ;
Louisiana Lady [5:50] ; [0:26] ; Can't Pay The Price [4:38] ; [0:04] % Truck
Drivin' Man [3:33] ; [0:30] ; All I Ever Wanted [7:34] ; [0:51] ; Workin'
Man Blues [4:10] ; [0:42] ; Henry [3:27] ; [3:34  broken string] ; I Don't
Know You [3:52] ; [0:25] ; Lodi [3:45] ; [0:38] ; Last Lonely Eagle [6:05] ;
[0:45] ; Mama Tried [2:58] ; [0:09] ; Sawmill [3:#09] % [0:09] Me And My
Uncle [3:32] ; [1:26] ; Connection [5:10] ; [0:21]
SET3[1:55:50 +]  [0:06  Bill Graham Intro] ; China Cat Sunflower [2:24]
> Jam [2:06] > I Know You Rider [4:13] ; [0:09] ; Cumberland Blues [4:45] ;
[1:02] ; Hard To Handle [5:05] ; [1:41] ; Beat It On Down The Line [2:47] ;
[0:47] ; Morning Dew [10:25] ; [0:30] ; Drums [0:58] > Good Lovin' [1:49] >
Drums [3:13] > Good Lovin' [7:01] ; [1:12] ; Dire Wolf [3:42] ; [0:39] ;
Next Time You See Me [3:21] ; [1:21] % Dark Star [19:29] > Saint Stephen
[4:#02] > Drums [0:25] > Not Fade Away [6:28] > Turn On Your Lovelight
[26:#16]
ENCORE[3:52] ; Cold Jordan [2:15] ; [2:37]
COMMENTSThis is the Late Show.  Late show total time 3:58:55 +.  Early &
Late Shows total time 6:33:29 +.  SET 1 is the Late Show acoustic Dead set
complete.  David Nelson plays mandolin on A Voice From On High and Marmaduke
adds bass vocals.  SET 2 is the complete Late Show NRPS set with Garcia,
pedal steel.  Bob Weir guests on vocals for Mama Tried, Sawmill and Me And
My Uncle.  There is a brief cut in Sawmill, with less than 10 seconds lost.
After this set the master contains 15:13 of continuing signal, comprising
parts of Side B of Abbey Road (playing on the PA during the break)
interspersed with the sounds of the stage being rigged -- Drums nailed down,
etc -- followed by the sounds of tuning up.  SET 3 is electric Dead.  Beat
It On Down The Line gets 14 beats.  In the pause after Next Time You See Me
Pigpen says, in response to an audience request for Alligator, "Don't be
hollerin no emergency warnings in a place like this.  An alligator in here
could chomp off a buncha feet."  Phil meanwhile is teasing Dark Star.  Just
before the cassette side cuts off, Jerry Teases the introductory riff of
Attics.  When the tape resumes on the next cassette Dark Star begins.  From
the tape it's impossible to tell whether or not in the interval they
repeated Attics from the Early Show but it seems likelier that they didn't.
There is a cut 2:17 into Saint Stephen; probably around 60 - 90 seconds are
missing here.  There is a cut 13:33 into Lovelight, but probably only a few
seconds are lost.  Over the last year it has been rumored that there is
another SBD master of this show in the vault, which includes the rest of the
Early Show NRPS set (and which would probably allow us to patch the few
other glitches on the circulating master); however, nothing has emerged
besides rumors thus far.  Meanwhile, we owe an enormous debt of gratitude to
those resourceful Fillmore East crewmembers who took the bull by the horns
and MADE TAPE.  Muchas Garcias, guys.

Eaton lists:

05/15/70 The Fillmore East, New York City Ny - early acoustic[vbcrlf]  4.8,
060min, Sbd, A0D3, Reel M->PCM 0->Dat 2, 44k,[vbcrlf]  10inch Master
re...@7.5ips 1/2trk->PCM x 0->Dat x 2[vbcrlf]05/15/70 The Fillmore East, New
York City Ny - early electric[vbcrlf]  4.8, 069min, Sbd, A0D3, Reel M->PCM
0->Dat 2, 44k,[vbcrlf]  10inch Master re...@7.5ips 1/2trk->PCM x 0->Dat x
2[vbcrlf]05/15/70 The Fillmore East, New York City Ny - late
acoustic[vbcrlf]  4.8, 071min, Sbd, A0D3, Reel M->PCM 0->Dat 2, 44k,[vbcrlf]
10inch Master re...@7.5ips 1/2trk->PCM x 0->Dat x 2[vbcrlf]05/15/70 The
Fillmore East, New York City Ny - late electric[vbcrlf]  4.8, 119min, Sbd,
A0D3, Reel M->PCM 0->Dat 2, 44k,[vbcrlf]  10inch Master re...@7.5ips
1/2trk->PCM x 0->Dat x 2
RECORDING340 SB (total for 05/15/70a&b)
CONTRIBUTORSJim Powell  Alan Mande  Tim Anderson

-- 

10/11/81

[Jim Powell]

The audience tape contains

Monkey & the Engineer
Been All Around This WOrld
Cassidy
Jack-a-Roe
On The Roae Again
Birdsong
Babe It Ain't No Lie


-- 

R.I.P. Marmaduke John Dawson

[Jim Powell]

Marmaduke, 
John Dawson 
has left the planet.
The Last Lonely Eagle
has flown.

"6/6/69 w/ Janis" is really 6/7/69

[Jim Powell]

the list with Janis posted dated "6/6/69" is actually 6/7/69.
-- 

Re: 5/30/69 cuts

[Jim Powell]

So why 84 minutes of music on a 94 minute cassette?  And why do the cuts 
fall where they do, if this was the case?  And where is the tape flip?


--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
From: "Charlie Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 5/30/69 cuts
Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 2:18


Eaton's Dat has the sam excat music that my seed have, except his dat has a
reel gen added to it. There was only one 90 minute cassette which is why
lovelight cuts.

----- Original Message -
From: Jim Powell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Charlie Miller <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu
<mailto:deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: 5/30/69 cuts

"Eaton's timings are off":

Do you mean that you have checked Eaton's master and it contains about 84
minutes of music, with the same cuts catalogued below, in Cosmic Charlie,
before The Eleven and toward the end of Lovelight?

I'm assuming the master is a 90-minute cassette?  Yes?

Can you say where the tape flip occurs?


--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


------
From: "Charlie Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
To: "Jim Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >,
"deadlists" 
Subject: Re: 5/30/69, with a blessing
Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 6:45


Eaton's timings are off...I checked.

cm


- Original Message -
From: Jim Powell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: deadlists <mailto:deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:23 AM
Subject: 5/30/69, with a blessing

BAND  Grateful Dead
VENUE  Springer's Inn
CITY  Portland
STATE  OR
DATE  05/30/69
SET1  [1:23:25+]  Morning Dew ; Me & My Uncle ; Doin' That Rag ; King Bee ;
Dark Star[17:02] > Cosmic Charlie [6:#16]; The Eleven [12:33] > Turn On Your
Love Light [17:33#].
SET2
SET3
ENCORE
COMMENTS  The circulating version has a cut in Cosmic Charlie.  It's not
clear whether they actually played St. Stephen; Jerry is teasing its opening
notes when the tape breaks off after Cosmic Charlie.  It resumes with the
rimshot before the first vocals of The Eleven.   Eaton's list reads:

05/30/69 Springers Inn, Portland Or - complete
  4.3, 094min, Sbd, A1D0, Cass M->Reel  1->Dat  0, 48k,
  Ampex C-90 Master Cass/no dolby->Technics Reel 1st Gen->3800 x 0

It appears that the circulating version runs about 10 minutes short of
Eaton's and if Eaton's timing is correct, has had that much cut from it
before it reached circulation.  A blessing on the music, huh?  It is not
clear where the cuts fall or what's missing.


RECORDING  94 SB (vault)
CONTRIBUTORS  Jim Powell  Rob Eaton


--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

5/30/69 cuts

[Jim Powell]

"Eaton's timings are off":

Do you mean that you have checked Eaton's master and it contains about 84
minutes of music, with the same cuts catalogued below, in Cosmic Charlie,
before The Eleven and toward the end of Lovelight?

I'm assuming the master is a 90-minute cassette?  Yes?

Can you say where the tape flip occurs?


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From: "Charlie Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "deadlists"

Subject: Re: 5/30/69, with a blessing
Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2008, 6:45


Eaton's timings are off...I checked.

cm


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From: Jim Powell <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: deadlists <mailto:deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:23 AM
Subject: 5/30/69, with a blessing

BAND  Grateful Dead
VENUE  Springer's Inn
CITY  Portland
STATE  OR
DATE  05/30/69
SET1  [1:23:25+]  Morning Dew ; Me & My Uncle ; Doin' That Rag ; King Bee ;
Dark Star[17:02] > Cosmic Charlie [6:#16]; The Eleven [12:33] > Turn On Your
Love Light [17:33#].
SET2
SET3
ENCORE
COMMENTS  The circulating version has a cut in Cosmic Charlie.  It's not
clear whether they actually played St. Stephen; Jerry is teasing its opening
notes when the tape breaks off after Cosmic Charlie.  It resumes with the
rimshot before the first vocals of The Eleven.   Eaton's list reads:

05/30/69 Springers Inn, Portland Or - complete
  4.3, 094min, Sbd, A1D0, Cass M->Reel  1->Dat  0, 48k,
  Ampex C-90 Master Cass/no dolby->Technics Reel 1st Gen->3800 x 0

It appears that the circulating version runs about 10 minutes short of
Eaton's and if Eaton's timing is correct, has had that much cut from it
before it reached circulation.  A blessing on the music, huh?  It is not
clear where the cuts fall or what's missing.


RECORDING  94 SB (vault)
CONTRIBUTORS  Jim Powell  Rob Eaton


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5/30/69, with a blessing

[Jim Powell]

BAND  Grateful Dead
VENUE  Springer's Inn
CITY  Portland
STATE  OR
DATE  05/30/69
SET1  [1:23:25+]  Morning Dew ; Me & My Uncle ; Doin' That Rag ; King Bee ;
Dark Star[17:02] > Cosmic Charlie [6:#16]; The Eleven [12:33] > Turn On Your
Love Light [17:33#].
SET2
SET3
ENCORE
COMMENTS  The circulating version has a cut in Cosmic Charlie.  It's not
clear whether they actually played St. Stephen; Jerry is teasing its opening
notes when the tape breaks off after Cosmic Charlie.  It resumes with the
rimshot before the first vocals of The Eleven.   Eaton's list reads:

05/30/69 Springers Inn, Portland Or - complete
  4.3, 094min, Sbd, A1D0, Cass M->Reel  1->Dat  0, 48k,
  Ampex C-90 Master Cass/no dolby->Technics Reel 1st Gen->3800 x 0

It appears that the circulating version runs about 10 minutes short of
Eaton's and if Eaton's timing is correct, has had that much cut from it
before it reached circulation.  A blessing on the music, huh?  It is not
clear where the cuts fall or what's missing.


RECORDING  94 SB (vault)
CONTRIBUTORS  Jim Powell  Rob Eaton


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updated dark star doc w/ bad edits corrected

[Jim Powell]

10 minutes in before
breaking off after 12:01.

St. Helens, OR 8/23/69:  1st vocals missing  26:#44 SBD.

Family Dog 8/28/69:  47:#19 (31:16 + 16:03) > The Eleven jam 9:49 > Dark
Star 6:43  + 63:#51  SBD w/ Howard Wales

Fillmore East 9/26/69:  beginning missing 17:24  B AUD

Fillmore 11/7/69:  The circulating SBD has a cut at 20:12, 1:45 after the
beginning of the Uncle John's jam, followed by another almost 6 minutes to
make up this 26:00 fragment.

Boston Tea Party 12/30/69:  This Dark Star cuts off after 18:53 on the SBD.
Probably 2-3 minutes more are missing here on the master.

Fillmore East 1/2/70:  30:10 with the end missing  SBD

Pirate's World, Dania FL 3/24/70:  4:54 + 8:54  =  13:48  SBD with cut as
noted

Delhi, NY 5/8/70  18:05 with beginning missing,  B minus AUD

Paterson 10/11/70:  beginning missing 20:19  near excellent AUD

Waterbury 9/24/72  34:13  there is a cut at 0:53



Some of these Dark Stars may be intact on the masters --  possibilities
include 1/25/69, 1/26/69, 2/5/69, 2/6/69, 4/12/69, 9/24/72, and  especially:

6/21/69 Late Show:  Rob Eaton lists 101 minutes of cassette SBD for this
show, but only 91 circulates.  One would guess that at least 10 minutes are
missing from the circulating Dark Star.

11/7/69:  Eaton lists 122 minutes of reel SBD but only about 103 minutes
circulate.  There is room to hope that the complete tape contains the
complete Dark Star.

The rest of these Dark Stars are almost certainly fragmentary on the masters
of the circulating tapes.


*


DARK STAR:  THE EVOLUTION


Dark Star 'matured' -- and doubled in length -- during the October '68
Matrix shows.  The first full-grown ripe Dark Stars are the Live Dead Dark
Stars of the first half of '69.  There are more than 30 versions circulating
on tape.  The structure of this Dark Star (a "Live Dead", or "First Stage"
Dark Star) is as follows

DS theme & jam > 1st vocals > jam > DS theme jam & 2nd vocals > transition >
another tune (e.g. St. Stephen)


The Second Stage Dark Star evolved during the summer of '69 -- primarily by
the moderate expansion of the jamming before 1st vocals and the addition of
"space" after the 1st vocals.  Its structure is as follows

DS theme & jams > 1st vocals > space > additional jam > DS theme jam & 2nd
vocals (or Tiger) > transition >

Family Dog 8/30/69 28:56 and Winterland 10/25/69  22:05 are fine examples of
'69 Second Stage Dark Stars.

The Third Stage Dark Star does not emerge full-blown until '72 but several
performances in '69 and '70 anticipate it, notably; Family Dog 11/2/69
30:06, Fillmore West 2/8/70  26:43 AUD, Fillmore East 2/13/70 29:46, and
Fillmore East 9/17/70 27:10 AUD.

After 11/8/70 they dropped the second vocals.  They revive them at the
Academy of Music 3/23/72 23:34 and once more at Portland 7/26/72 30:49, and
then not again until the Dark Stars of '89 - '94.

The climactic Third Stage Dark Star only appears full-formed in Europe '72.
It's structure is

DS theme & jam > additional jams > return to DS theme jam & 1st vocals >
space > additional jams > Tiger > more jamming > transition >

After the appearance of the Second Stage Dark Star, nearly all Dark Stars
take this form, but after the appearance of the prototypical Third Stage
Dark Star there are still many Second Stage Dark Stars -- 'Second Stage'
because they lack the additional jams (plural) both before and after the 1st
vocals.  For instance, the Tiger appears in many Second Stage Dark Stars as
the climax of the post-space jamming.  What distinguishes Third Stage Tigers
is that The Tiger is just one episode in a series of jams following space --
sometimes it forms the climax & leads to transitional jamming into the next
song; other times further episodes of jamming follow it (Sputnik, Feelin
Groovy Jam, Mind Left Body Jam, ...)

Third Stage Dark Stars tend to be more than 30 minutes long.  Obvious
examples are

Wembley London 4/8/72 31:30
Dusseldorf 4/24/72 42:58 (including 3:10 of Me & My Uncle)
London 5/25/72  35:13
Hollywood Palladium 9/10/72  34:59
Philadelphia 9/21/72 37:22
Waterbury 9/24/72 34:13
Kansas City 11/13/72 32:16
Houston 11/19/72 31:22
Winterland 12/11/72 32:43
Springfield 3/28/73 32:14
Oklahoma City 10/19/73 28:49
Winterland 11/11/73 35:12
Cleveland 12/6/73 42:27


Rotterdam 5/11/72 48:38 is the longest Dark Star known besides Family Dog
8/28/69 63:#51

Winterland 10/18/74  31:34 represent the tune's dissolution into space.


Cleveland 12/6/73 42:27 is remarkable not only for its scale but for its
structure, which turns the customary Third Stage structure inside-out,
working in toward the Dark Star theme, rather than starting from it, and
moving out into space after the 1st vocals rather than back from it.

Besides the Dark Star Gigantea, or Third Stage Dark Star, another remarkable
species of Dark Star is the Dark Star Ferox.  These don't have quite the
30-minute plus dimensions of the Third Stage Dark Stars but they have a
characteristic fierceness of attack & intensity that makes them stand out.
Obvious examples are

Austin 11/15/71:  26:04 (including 4:46 of El Paso)
Hamburg 4/29/72 29:26
Madison 10/25/72 24:04



ice petal
flower
revolving


Shall we go
you and I
while we can?




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Avalon Ballroom, SF 8/28/68

[Jim Powell]

Side A of this old cassette, 

Dark Star > Stephen > Eleven > Death Don't > Lovelight

is assumed to be as labeled, "Avalon Ballroom, SF 8/28/68"

Side B contains Schoolgirl // That's It For The Other One# and the
Schoolgirl is preceded by an introduction by Bill Graham, who of course did
not do intros for the Family Dog.

My guess is these two pieces are from early '69 (before the Live Dead shows
2/27/69 & ff.) or late '68 after Constanten joined (i.e. after 11/7/68).

I haven't thought about this question in a dozen years.  Has further
evidence emerged?
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Circulating Dark Star Document w/ additions & corrections

[Jim Powell]

CIRCULATING TAPES OF DARK STAR  [8/1/06]

The following is a list of the 225 live performances of Dark Star plus 4
studio versions for which tape currently circulates, including three tapes,
one from spring '68, one from May '68 and another from Fall '68, whose
venues and exact dates are unknown.  It gives the timing of each, an
indication of what is missing if the tape is fragmentary, and the best tape
source for each; the existence of AUD tapes is usually not indicated if SBD
circulates.


American Studios, LA 11/14/67:  2 studio versions  2:48 & 2:41 SBD
LA Studio, late 67:  2:38  SBD   Warner Bros Single 7186

Carousel Ballroom 1/17/68:  beginning clipped  #4:48 SBD
Eureka 1/20/68:  breaks off after 3:17  FM-SBD
Seattle 1/22/68:  5:49  SBD
Kings Beach Bowl, Lake Tahoe 1/24/68:  6:49  Dick's Picks 22
Portland 2/3/68:  5:26  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 2/14/68:  5:54  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/16/68:  7:20  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/26/68:  7:14  SBD
Carousel Ballroom 3/30/68:   8:45  SBD
Alembic Studios, SF early or mid 68:  studio rehearsal 11:49  SBD --
formerly dated 11/ or 12/68
UV spring '68:  #4:04 SBD  only the end of the jam with several minutes
missing before it
Unknown Venue 5/68:  16:06  SBD
Fillmore West 8/21/68:  beginning missing 14:14  SBD
Fillmore West 8/22/68:  11:19  SBD
Shrine, LA 8/23/68:  15:30  SBD
Shrine, LA 8/24/68:  11:21  SBD   Two From The Vault
Avalon 8/28/68:  10:40  SBD
Sky River Festival, Sultan, WA 9/2/68:  13:51   SBD
Unknown Venue Fall '68:  12:12.  Probably the Matrix, probably October.
Matrix 10/8/68:  11:40  SBD
Matrix 10/9/68:  13:05  SBD
Avalon 10/12/68:  15:30SBD  Widely circulated mislabeled "10/13/68."
Avalon 10/13/68:  beginning missing  13:35  SBD.  The actual show for this
date.
Greek, Berkeley 10/20/68:  10:05SBD
Matrix 10/30/68:  two Dark Stars on this date, the 2nd with Jack Casady
17:30 & 19:24  SBD
Chico 11/1/68:  11:30  SBD
Columbus 11/22/68  beginning missing 12:47  AUD
Bellarmine College, Louisville 12/7/68:  beginning missing  13:24  SBD
Gulfstream Raceway, Hallendale, FL 12/29/68:  10:26 SBD

Santa Barbara 1/17/69:  13:18 SBD
Avalon 1/24/69:  18:59 SBD
Avalon 1/25/69:  beginning missing #14:08  SBD
Avalon 1/26/69:  9:#45 with cut in middle  SBD
St. Paul 2/2/69:  15:33  SBD
Omaha 2/4/69:  13:15  SBD
Kansas City 2/5/69:  beginning missing  11:43  SBD
St. Louis 2/6/69:  13:54 cut in the middle  SBD
Pittsburgh 2/7/69:  14:09
Fillmore East 2/11/69:  12:29  SBD   Good Morning Little Schoolgirl (Arista)
Fillmore East  2/12/69 Late Show   only the final 4:58  SBD
Philadelphia 2/14/69:  first bar clipped 19:23  SBD
Philadelphia 2/15/69:  22:42  SBD
Dream Bowl, Vallejo 2/21/69:  22:22.  SBD
Vallejo 2/22/69:  22:17  SBD
*Fillmore West 2/27/69:   23:05  SBDLive Dead
Fillmore West 2/28/69:  19:50  SBD
Fillmore West 3/1/69:  22:48  SBD
Fillmore West 3/2/69:  20:37  SBD
SF Hilton 3/15/69:  19:07  SBD
Pasadena 3/22/69:  15:25  SBD
Modesto 3/28/69:  22:45  SBD.  Formerly mislabeled "Merced 3/27/69".
Las Vegas 3/29/69:  21:15  SBD
Avalon 4/4/69:  20:18  SBD
Avalon 4/5/69:  18:39  SBD
Tucson 4/11/69:  20:20  SBD
Salt Lake City 4/12/69:  #22:21  SBD
*Boulder 4/13/69:  24:01   SBD
Omaha 4/15/69  20:20  excellent AUD
St. Louis 4/17/69   21:36  SBD
Worcester 4/20/69:  21:12  SBD
The Ark, Boston 4/21/69:  22:51  SBD
*Boston 4/22/69:  30:42  SBD
Boston Ark 4/23/69:  21:02  SBD
Chicago 4/26/69:  1:25  SBD
*Minneapolis 4/27/69: 26:37  SBD  Dick's Picks
Polo Field, Golden Gate Park, SF 5/7/69:  22:19  SBD
Rose Palace, Pasadena 5/10/69:  20:59  SBD
Hollywood, FL 5/23/69:   18:47  SBD
McArthur Court, Eugene 5/31/69:  23:58  SBD
Fillmore West 6/5/69:  21:11  SBD
Fillmore West 6/7/69:  20:46   SBD
Monterey 6/14/69:  15:10  SBD
Fillmore East 6/21/69 Late Show:  nearly all of central jam missing  7:#43
SBD
Central Park, NYC 6/22/69:  beginning missing and with cut in middle  12:01
B+ AUD
Santa Rosa 6/27/69:  25:49SBD
Electric Theater, Chicago 7/5/69:  18:11  SBD
*Piedmont Park, Atlanta 7/7/69:  26:58  SBD
Queens 7/12/69:  9:40   mildly degraded SBD
Family Dog At The Great Highway 8/3/69  23:07  SBD
Woodstock 8/16/69:  17:50  SBD
Seattle 8/20/69:  6:38  SBD
St. Helens, OR 8/23/69:  1st vocals missing  26:#44 SBD.
*Family Dog 8/28/69: 63:#51  SBD  (Dark Star 31:16 # 16:03 > Eleven jam 9:49
> Dark Star 6:43)  [*w/ Howard Wales & w/o Weir, McKernan, or Constanten]
*Family Dog 8/30/69:  28:56  SBD
New Orleans 9/1/69:  17:47  mildly degraded SBD
Fillmore East 9/26/69:  beginning missing 17:24  B AUD
Winterland 10/25/69:  21:42SBD
*Family Dog 11/2/69:  30:06  SBD
Fillmore 11/7/69:  26:00 with a cut in the middle  SBD
*Fillmore 11/8/69:  DS 14:05 > Other 11:52 > DS 1:55 > UJB's jam 2:23 > DS
3:01   SBDDick's Picks
Fillmore West 12/4/69:  30:55  mildly degraded SBD
Thelma Theater 12/11/69:  19:53  SBD
Dallas 12/26/69:  26:00  SBD
Boston Tea Party 12/30/69:  19:06 with end missing  SBD

Fillmore East 1/2/70:  30:10 with the end missing  SBD
Corvalis 1/17/70:  20:51  SBD
Honolulu

Dark Star list updated

[Jim Powell]

ellent AUD, also SBD
Hamilton, Ontario 3/20/92:  14:27 near excellent AUD, also SBD
Richfield 6/8/92:  8:52  near excellent AUD, also reportedly degraded SBD
Charlotte 6/18/92:  6:00  SBD
Pittsburg 6/22/92: 4:05  SBD
Oakland 12/12/92:  12:14 & 5:44  SBD
Oakland 12/16/92:  7:09  SBD

Landover 3/17/93:  10:26  SBD
Deer Creek 6/23/93:  6:14  SBD
Philadelphia 9/13/93:  5:36 SBD
MSG, NYC 9/22/93:  7:31  SBD  w/ David Murray

Rosemont 3/16/94:  11:14.  B+ AUD, also FM-SBD
Atlanta 3/30/94:  10:21  SBD


*, **  =  remarkable Dark Stars: * & ** = Top 40.  ** = Top Five.


DARK STARS STILL MISSING FROM CIRCULATION

There are 16 dates on which reportedly Dark Star was played, but for which no tape yet circulates.  These dates, and the sources of the claims, are:


Shrine Aud, LA 12/13/67 -- DeadBase

King's Beach Bowl, Lake Tahoe 2/22/68 -- David Lemieux (defective vault SBD)
Carousel Ballroom 3/17/68 -- DeadBase

[National Guard Armory, St. Louis MO 5/24/68 -- Latvala, probably a mislabel of 2/6/69]

Carousel 6/7/68 -- DeadBase
Fillmore West 8/20/68 -- DeadBase
Hyde Park Teen Center, Cincinnati 11/24/68 -- DeadBase
Winterland 12/31/68 -- DeadBase

Fillmore East 2/12/69 -- Rob Eaton
Fillmore West 2/19/69 -- DeadLists
Winterland, 5/3/69 -- DeadBase
Springer's Hall, Portland, OR 5/30/69 -- Latvala; audience member
Fillmore 12/20/69 -- DeadBase

Buffalo 3/17/70 w/ symphony orchestra -- DeadBase
Fillmore West 4/11/70 -- DeadBase

[Mammoth Gardens, Denver 4/25/70 -- DeadBase is probably mistaken]

York Farm, Poynette, Wisconsin 4/26/70 -- audience member Ron Ramsey
46th St. Rock Palace, Brooklyn, NYC 11/13/70 -- audience member

[Bucknell University, Lewisburg, PA 4/14/71 -- DeadBase's list is probably wrong]


*

Kokomo (Billy & Brent's band from the mid-80s) played Dark Star at least
twice:

Unknown Venue 8/19/84  12:35  AUD
Casino Club, Hampton Beach 85-86:  10:16#  AUD  breaks off before conclusion


Identification of the unknown venue & unknown date would be much appreciated




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He Was A Friend Of Mine

[Jim Powell]

thanks, Alex, for your excellent sleuthing.  David Crosby also adapted the
lyric (as well as the Dead & Dylan), into a song about the killing of John
Kennedy.

10/11/70 sbd

[Jim Powell]

i've never heard of sbd of 10/11/70 & doubt any was made
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> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:30:44 -0400
> From: Ihor W Slabicky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: gd 10-11-70
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> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:03 -0700
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6/16/74 list

[Jim Powell]

The online list for Des Moine 6/16/74 is incorrect.  

Ship Of Fools belongs between Greatest Story & Truckin.


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attn: KW

[Jim Powell]

hey Kevin Weil, the e-mail address I have for you bounces.  E-mail me, will
ya?   Thanks.  (Apologies for rude smoke signal)

Pasadena 9/25/70

[Jim Powell]

it appears that no tape of this show exists. As noted on the site, a portion
of 9/20/70 sometimes circulates mislabeled with this date.

Re: 10/19/72

[Jim Powell]

You can hear the separate recording mix on Black Throated Wind on 10/19/72.

(i.e. I really doubt nothing but Bobby's guitar was coming through the PA
for 30 seconds or so.)


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>From: David Gans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Jim Powell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: 10/19/72
>Date: Mon, Oct 25, 2004, 7:22
>

>
>
> There was no separate recording mix in 1972.  Kidd did that in 1973
> and 1974, but not in 1972.
>
> The word "matrix" has a specific meaning in this context.
>
>
>
> At 1:03 PM -0700 10/24/04, Jim Powell wrote:
>>By "matrix mix" in reference to the Latvala cassette of 10/19/72 I don't
>>mean Healy's "matrix" mix with audience mixed in, I mean a matrix mixdown
>>off the soundboard, different from the PA feed.  It doesn't sound like
>>Betty.  I don't have the official releaseof 9/17/72 & can't therefore say
>>who recorded it but I bet it was Kidd.  And this to.
>
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10/19/72

[Jim Powell]

By "matrix mix" in reference to the Latvala cassette of 10/19/72 I don't 
mean Healy's "matrix" mix with audience mixed in, I mean a matrix mixdown
off the soundboard, different from the PA feed.  It doesn't sound like
Betty.  I don't have the official releaseof 9/17/72 & can't therefore say
who recorded it but I bet it was Kidd.  And this to.

10/19/72

[Jim Powell]

Alas, DeadBase is incorrect about the fifth tune in the first set of 
10/19/72, which is indeed Black Throated Wind, as the circulating copy of
Latvala's first gen cassette copy of the Candellario reel demonstrates.
Candellario readjusts his levels in the matrix mix during the tune and for
maybe 20 seconds in the middle of the tune all we hear is Bobby's guitar.

Plainly the cover band took their list from DeadBase.

This is a great show, nearly as kind as the previous night.  The Other One
sequence in the 2nd set is one of the great ones.  Also the CCat > rider, &
lots else.

12/3/79 SBD Fire On The Mountain cut

[Jim Powell]

It's the Fire On The Mountain that's cut on the circulating SBD of 12/3/79,
for which we seek an AUD patch.

Chicago 12/3/79 AUD sought

[Jim Powell]

The circulating Latvala cassette SBD of Chicago 12/3/79 has about 5 minutes
cut out of the awesome, which Gordon Sharpless's Deadlists entry times at
18:05.  The entry notes an AUD tape but all I have is the SBD.  I'd like to
assemble an optimal composite, patching the SBD with the AUD.  I haven't
caught other defects in the SBD but need to give it another listen.

Meanwhile I'm looking for information about the AUD master(s ?) & optimal
copies.  Glad to reciprocate.  

4/26/70

[Jim Powell]

There is probably no tape of this show in existance.  There is certainly no
SBD in the vault, and no AUD has turned up in 34 years now, so we can
probably stop holding our breaths.

Traffic tape fall '70 ("11/23/70")

[Jim Powell]

The circulating copy of the Traffic tape came out of the BGP archive more 
than a decade ago.

Whether it was mastered overtly or surreptitiously by BGP crew, or by
somebody else, I don't know.

If the same guys who mastered 5/15/70 etc. did the tape mislabled "Anderson
Theater 11/23/70" and maybe correctly labeled "Fillmore East 11/16/70,"
then, maybe they did the Traffic too?  Or ...?  

DeadLists entries for 11/16/70 & 11/23/70

[Jim Powell]

Title: DeadLists entries for 11/16/70 & 11/23/70



Jeff Lester writes

>  See the deadlists entries under 11/23/70 and 11/16/70, not 
>  that anything will be clarified by that.


In my view there is no virtue in creating the illusion of greater clarity than the evidence warrants.  These entries lucidly present the evidence & the inferences to be drawn.  Is there something you think should be added, Jeff?


It seems very reasonable to assume that the Traffic live tape with the Bill Graham intro is from one of those Fillmore East shows, 11/18 or 11/19/70. 

2/5/69 & Eaton's list

[Jim Powell]

Eaton's list has the venue for 2/05/69 incorrectly noted as Omaha.  Bear's
cassette masters of 2/4/69, 2/5/69 & 2/6/69 seem to have been confusingly
labeled.  There were also questions about 2/6/69.  But we believe they are
now correctly listed in DeadLists. 

Traffic opening in '94

[Jim Powell]

Traffic also opened in Vegas in '94, the hottest Dead shows ever played --
119 degrees F. on Sunday, 117 on Friday.

"8/20/69" poster

[Jim Powell]

It has been established that there is at least one bogus poster around 
labeled "Seattle 8/20/69".  There seem to be so many fake 'early' posters
around that they we can't put much trust in this form of 'evidence.'

7/7/69

[Jim Powell]

Title: 7/7/69




The story I heard about the Atlanta Piedmont Park show 7/7/69 was that the Allman Bros opened & the Dead played on their equipment afterward, the airlines having shipped the Dead's stuff to the wrong destination.  Doesn't Parrish tell this story in his book?  I'm pretty sure I've seen it in print somewhere.   It was a free show, not booked or ticketed, so the place to track it would be newspaper reports (don't forget underground newspaper if any, which also sometimes librarians wisely archived) -- it won't show up on the kinds of records of contracts & stuff where a lot of shows do get tracked internally.  

Kirk West used to be the Allmans archivist.  I don't know if he's involved with the website but he knows his stuff.

5/29/71 & 5/30/71

[Jim Powell]

Last June I assembled & passed along transcripts of tapes of Winterland 
5/29/71 & 5/30/71 to people who were going to master them to CDs.  Jeff
Cotsman was my main contact.  I'm wondering what's up with this project, &
the e-mail address I have for Cotsman no longer works.  Anyone have a
current address or other info on this project?
--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"10/21/68"

[Jim Powell]

Title: "10/21/68"



We have concluded that 2/3s of the material circulated "10/21/68" matches material usually labeled "Matrix 12/16/68" and sometimes "Matrix 12/24/68."  The other 3rd does not seem to circulate but is also probably from the December Matrix gigs, whatever the actual date.  We are still working on this & will be putting at least another 30+ minutes of material into circulation once it's all straightened out.

"12/12/73"

[Jim Powell]

Title: "12/12/73"



there is a soundcheck from this date circulating.  The Unbroken Chain & Pride of Cucamonga are not part of it however, but filler from studio sessions.

new 6/24/70 Lee MAC

[Jim Powell]

Title: new 6/24/70 Lee MAC



The material on the "missing" 2nd cassette of the Lee master can be supplied by the Weinberg master.  If you'll pass me the address of the person doing this release I'll get in touch & offer to pass it along.

Can we get a definitive spelling for Ken & Judy's last name.  Over the years I've seen it spelled both "Lee" and "Leigh" on various of their masters, and now even on announcements of this new release.

Also, there's quite a cool master of their of the Jefferson Airplane at the Capitol on 11/13/70 also now coming into circulation.  The Airplane just pre-disintegration, with an opening set by Hot Tuna with Papa John & Will Scarlet also sitting in later.  20 minutes of Saucers > Hijack, etc.

6/24/70 acoustic set new disc

[Jim Powell]

I'd value a chance to check this out for the list.  can somebody hook me up?
glad to reciprocate


>
> I recently received 3 discs labeld 6/24/70.  The acoustic disc has this:
>
> Introduction > Dire Wolf [5:50]
> Don't Ease Me In [3:17]
> Attics of My Life [6:12]
> Friend Of The Devil [4:59]
> Let Me In 83968 [4:44]
> Candyman [7:30]
> Uncle John's Band [6:10]
> 

"12/16/68" (aka "12/24/68" & "10/21/68")

[Jim Powell]

Title: "12/16/68" (aka "12/24/68" & "10/21/68")



Garcia & Friends, "Matrix 12/16/68"  & "Matrix 12/24/68")


"Matrix 12/16/68"  MSR > R > P > C > C


Jam #1 (Garcia, Casady, Hart, left channel; Dryden, right):   40:10

Jam #2 (Garcia, Casady, Hart, left channel, Dave Getz of Big Brother, right):  37:30

Jam #3  (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden):  28:40

 [drop outs circa  1:28:16, 1:29:05, 1:43:52, 1:46:40, 1:47:07, 1:47:24, 1:47:37, 1:48:09]

Jam #4 (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden, Garcia): 4:24

Jam #5 (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden, Garcia, Hart, left): 15:24#  (breaks off before end of jam)



"Matrix 12/24/68"   MSR > R > P > C > C

Garcia, Hart, Lesh, Harvey Mandel, George Chambers (vocals & rhythm guitar) (* unidentified organ)


#Feel It #4:41

Three O'Clock Blues 8:53

"Mojo Worker"  jam 27:26

jam #6 * 36:15

jam #7 ("Walk In The Water"#)  *  9:14#  (breaks off before end of jam)


*

Notes

This catalog derives from consulting three sources, 5 cassettes in all.  One is labeled "Jefferson Airplane House 10/21/68" and two are labeled "Matrix 12/16/68."  This latter date is often 'corrected' to "12/24/68" (see etree).

I have three cassette sources for jams #1 & #2, 2 sources for jam #5 and one source for jams #3 & #4.

Two sources place "jam #1" first and "jam #2" second, one reverses this order.

One cassette source continues without a splice from jam #4 to jam #4 (but then breaks off after 9:40 at the end of the cassette side).  The superior source for Jam #5 runs for 15:24 before it, too, breaks off at the end of a cassette side.

My suspicion is that jams #3 and #4 were dropped from most copies because Jerry does not appear at all in Jam #3 and plays a subdued rhythm part in jam #4.

Latvala's comments quoted in etree from Dupree's Diamond News (Summer '96) appear to me to be confusing 12/16/68 with 12/16/70, when Crosby did play at the Matrix with Jerry & others as "David & The Dorks."

It seems likely that the master SBD reels contain the end of Jam #5 and the end of Jam #7.

I see no way to surmise from the tapes whether these two items are from one show or from two, or whether the correct date(s) are 12/16/68 or 12/24/68 or both (or neither -- or 12/23/68) but I incline to think they are from two different dates.

As soon as I've had a chance to compare these tapes with the circulating fragments we'll put a best copy into circulation.

"10/21/68" update

[Jim Powell]

Yesterday I borrowed a friend's set of 3 cassettes labeled "Matrix 
12/16/68," which he informs me some people think are actually in part or in
whole 12/24/68 and I discover that one of them does begin with what I have
described as "jam #1 10/21/68."

I'm going to catalog & compare all 6 of these cassettes as I did with the
"10/21/68" material & post the results.

Transcription to DAT with the addition of the timing greatly facilitates
this process.

I wish I had a way to check the speed of these tapes, old cassette machines
being what they too often were.  But with what standard to compare a unique
jam?

Jeffersone Airplane House jams 10/21/68

[Jim Powell]

Title: Jeffersone Airplane House jams 10/21/68



Garcia, Kaukonen, Casady, Hart, Dryden, Getz
Jefferson Airplane House, San Francisco 10/21/68
MSR > ? > C > C > D

jam #1 (Hart, left channel; Dryden, right; Getz out):   40:04
 
jam #2:  (Dave Getz of Big Brother replaces Dryden):    33:30

jam #3:  (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden)   28:38  [drop outs circa  1:24:16, 1:25:05, 1:39:52, 1:42:30, 1:42:57, 1:43:14, 1:43:27, 1:43:53]
  
jam #4:  (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden, Garcia   4:26

jam #5   (Kaukonen, Casady, Dryden, Garcia, Hart, left)    9:40


I acquired my original copy of the first two jams of this tape in the early 80s as sides A & B of a cassette well-known at the time in the SF area among people interested in tape of early Grateful Dead.  This tape was always labeled "Jefferson Airplane House 10/21/68" -- referring to the house the Airplane had at Fulton & Arguello in SF.  It sounds like it was mastered on 2-track reels in 1968.  More attention to micing & mix is audible than on the Matrix 10/68 tapes (10/8/68, 10/9/68, 10/30/68), consistent with a 'studio' setting, but the applause of a small audience audible thru the drum mics at the end of each jam suggests to some the Matrix as a likelier venue, although the tape has never circulated labeled that way.

Jams #3, #4 & #5 came into circulation about 1990, as a single cassette side and probably never circulated widely.

My best copies of jams #1, #2, and #3-5, came from three different sources, each with the lineage  MSR  >  ?  >  C  >  C.  Noise is low & separation excellent for all three tapes.  My guess is the "?" represents one reel generation; I strongly doubt it represents more than two analog generations for the first two tapes.  The copy of jams #3-5 is somewhat more degraded, with a string of drop outs in jam #3, though still decent listening on the whole.  It's necessary to remember that 'recent' copies of these tapes are now 20 years old, and the master is pushing 36.  It's time to digitize.

The information with the original cassette names personnel as Garcia, Kaukonen, Casady, Hart, Dryden, Getz and specifies the drummers channels.

All three jams sound very like the performances we have from the Matrix in October '68, only further out and more focused & intent.  Jam #2 begins with a transformed Dark Star riff but launches off for points unknown very quickly.  This is the only hint of 'Dead' material.  Much of the first two jams is really a duo between Garcia & Casady, plus the drummers; Kaukonen is subdued or absent.  In jams #3-5 Jorma gets his own.  The first two jams are very fluid, shifting among riffs and spaces without precise boundaries.  Jam #3 is more schematized into three riffs with distinct passages between, and the material is (to a deadhead, anyways) more suggestive of the Airplane's.  Jams #4 and #5 are basically one riff each.

This is the same month Hendrix blew the roof off Winterland, 6 shows in 3 nights (Casady sat in for Killing Floor and Hey Joe on the 10th) and the Dead (minus Weir & Pigpen, plus various guests) played their experimental workshops at The Matrix.  The focus & inspiration throughout  this music is obvious and incredible.

2/12/69 Late Show MSC > D > CD

[Jim Powell]

Title: 2/12/69 Late Show MSC > D > CD



I'm checking out a new partial copy of this tape on CD (thanks Dr. Moriarty).  I copy the documentation that comes with it here; my comments follow:


BAND  Grateful Dead
VENUE Fillmore East
CITY  New York
STATE NY
DATE  02/12/69b Late Show
DISCs One

Lineage: SBD>Cassette Master>DAT>CD

1. \\Dark Star >    4:58   
2. St. Stephen >    5:53  
3. William Tell >  
   The Eleven >    15:43
4. Death Don't Have No Mercy    8:22
5. Alligator >  3:57 
6. Drumz >  4:22  
7. Drummers' Chant >    0:19 
8. Alligator Jam* > 6:11 
9. Caution (Do Not Stop on Tracks)* >   9:21
10.Feedback >   4:41  
11.And We Bid You Goodnight 4:39 

Total disc time:   68:32

Notes:

* - 11:29 minutes of the Alligator Jam > Caution segment 
were missing from the previously seeded version of this 
show and have been patched into the current version 
from an alternate partial SBD source containing the 
Alligator > Feedback segment and bearing the same
lineage + one cassette gen. The corresponding Feedback
segment of the alternate SBD source is also missing 
approximately 2:00 minutes of Feedback that are actually
present in the current version before any patching from the 
alternate SBD source. The current version would then 
appear to contain the complete Alligator > Feedback
segment of the show for a total timing of 28:54. 

The disc picks up with the last 04:59 of Dark Star.  
If Deadbase XI is accurate, this disc is missing Dupree's,
Mountains of the Moon and the better part of Dark Star.Total 
disc time prior to patching in the missing 11:29 from the 
alternate SBD source is 57:03. Total time per Deadlists and 
Eaton's list is 84:00. If the Eaton version is missing the 11:29
minutes of the Alligator Jam > Caution patched from the alternate
SBD source, this could logically account for the resulting 27 minute
time difference.

>From Deadlists:
DeadBase IX notes Early & Late shows on this date.  

Eaton's list reads:
02/12/69 Fillmore East Theatre, New York City Ny - late show
4.2, 084min, Sbd, A0D0, Cass M->Dat  0, 48k,
Ampex C-90 Master Cass/no dolby->3800 x 0RECORDING  84 SB

(Extraction and.shn encoding by Seth Kaplan via EAC and MKW.
Accurate extraction and properly aligned sector boundaries 
verified via EAC and .shntool)




*

I read the evidence of the Fillmore East 2/12/69 Late Show MSC > D > CD  differently.  

I think Eaton's listed 84 minutes of MSC > D represents the complete Late Show and that the missing portion of the Dark Star and the Dupree's, if any, total approximately 84 minutes minus the 68:32 of the circulating fragment, or about 15:30.  Dupree's runs about 4 minutes, which means another 11:30 of Dark Star for a total Dark Star of circa 16:30, which is right on target for the period.

There are a number of MSC tapes from 1969 represented on Eaton's list which have come into circulation in recent years in a fragmentary state.  2/4/69, 2/5/69, 2/6/69 and 6/21/69 Late Show come immediately to mind.  Reference to DeadLists will quickly turn up others.  

2/12/69 Late Show looks like another member of this group.

The evidence strongly suggests that all these tapes derive from Eaton's copies, that his copies are complete, and that he is responsible for releasing the partial  copies.

hiney sex

[Jim Powell]

>> it can be difficult to assing a review
> 
> I bet it can! Again with the hiney sex...
>
> ;^)


"Officer Ossifer I did not "assing" that review or even THINK about "assing"
that review.  I only "assigned" it!"

"Sorry son but under the Patriot Act typos are punishable by life
imprisonment listening to tapes of The Monkees in concert in endless loop."


[suspect made a break for it & was last sighted jumping off cliffs south of
Pacifica & swimming for Hawaii]

Art of Rock etc. as evidence

[Jim Powell]

>  can "The Illustrated Trip" be considered a definitive
>  source for dates?


> we've attributed set lists to Deadbase and other books, why not this one
> too?
>


There are no "definitive sources."  Evidence must be weighed on its own
merits question by question.

Any evidence that comes to hand can help.  Newpaper ads are great but
sometimes in the early years gigs didn't get played.  Reviews are great but
it can be difficult to assing a review to a specific show when multiple
shows were played (presumption is the first,here, however, but only
presumption ... )  etc.  Posters are no longer so reliable, as this
discussion shows.


People working with early dates for Dead went thru the Art Of Rock a LONG
time ago.

New early dates are much more likely to be turned up by archival research in
microfilms of newspapers from the period.  Joey Newlander has demonstrated
this with JGB dates for 1970-71, and back in the day Mike Dolgushkin worked
on early Dead dates this way.  If somebody in the Seattle area wants to
spend time in a library looking thru microfilms of old area newspapers
('underground newspapers' also, don't forget), that might turn up non-bogus
early dead dates up there, or settle the questions about the actual dates of
the shows there in early 68.

"Seattle 3/23/69"

[Jim Powell]

Title: "Seattle 3/23/69"





I hesitate to accept the Seattle 3/23/69 date without confirming evidence.  

There appear to be fairly numerous bogus posters being concocted and sold on the internet, mostly from this period.

The Dead played Pasadena on 3/21/69 and 3/22/69,  Merced on the 27th or 28th and  Vegas on the 29th.  Seattle is out of the way from the rest of these shows.  It's possible, but ...

Can somebody come up with a local ad or review for the show?




Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:27:16 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: new date listing

hi,
   i recently came across this poster being sold online.i'd never seen any 
listing for this.as of now,no show is listed on this date so it could be correct.
 March 23, 1969, Seattle Center Arena
Olympic Mouse productions: The Mothers of Invention, Grateful Dead, Lamb, 
Mint Tattoo. 

dave tamarkin

6/7/69

[Jim Powell]

The Good Lovin > Uncle John's on old partial tapes of 6/7/69 is from El 
Monte 12/26/70.

If he _sold_ you the tape he wasn't a deadhead, imo.

4/15/69

[Jim Powell]

The source says he taped the show & says he is in process of having the 
tapes transferred.

He envisioned collecting a 'fee to cover cost of the transfer' & I explained
that things don't work like that in Deadland.

We'll see if these AUD masters come around eventually or not, and what their
fidelity is like if they do.

"Anderson Theater NYC 11/23/70" & Fillmore East 11/16/70

[Jim Powell]

It appears that we have established 

that the tape circulating labeled "Hells Angels Benefit, Anderson Theater,
NYC 11/23/70" cannot possibly be from that date

and the strong likelihood that this tape in fact comes from Fillmore East
11/16/70, mastered by the same people who gave us the surreptitious masters
of 2/11, 13 &14/70, 5/15/70, and 9/18-19-20/70.


Two questions now come to mind:


How did this tape get into circulation mislabled in the first place, from
the mid 70s at the latest?


Where is the rest of 9/18/70 and 9/19/70?




Note that the other 1970 surreptitious SBDs were in circulation properly
labeled from very early on.  3/5s of 5/15/70 was broadcast on KPFA on
6/21/71; this was probably Allan Mande's doing.

Large parts of the February shows and 9/20/70 have also always circulated,
whereas the hour-long portions of SBD we have for 9/18/ & 9/19/70 only came
into circulation in the 90s.  Where is the rest of these shows?

kevin weil & 11/23/70 & 11/16/70

[Jim Powell]

hey Kevin I just tried to e-mail you & it bounced.  e-mail me, OK?

the setlist in 11/23/70 needs to be deleted & the caretaker page isn't
letting me.  this last has been moved to 11/16/70


--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

11/23/70 & 11/16/70

[Jim Powell]

On the other hand Will Scarlet says he remembers playing on the Uncle John
on the tape at the Hell's Angels Benefit, and remembers that the benefit was
definitely not at Fillmore East.  So according to Scarlet the Uncle John on
the tape is not Fillmore East.

The review reproduced with the notes of Dick's Picks 30 also places the
Angels benefit at the Anderson Theater.


Could our "11/23/70" SBD represent excerpts from two shows, perhaps this
date at Anderson Theater & 11/16/70 at Fillmore East?  

12/31/80 soundcheck

[Jim Powell]

I have a low gen copy of this tape (12/31/80 soundcheck).  It contains #Baby
Blue, Youngblood & Searchin.  It was probably made from back-stage at
Kaiser, to judge by the mix.  It sounds awful.

Jerry with Merle 10/3/78

[Jim Powell]

Wasn't this show a benefit for the venue?  Or am I mixing it up with 
something else.

Jerry sat in with Merl's bands more than we know about.  Merl (no 'e' at the
end) Saunders was in charge of the house band at a club on Union St. in SF
called The Generosity in the early-mid 70s, & Jerry sat in with him,
unbilled, frequently.  Recently tape of the 2/14/75 gig emerged.  Probably
we'll never know about even half these gigs.


--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (deadlists-digest)
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: deadlists-digest V4 #171
>Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2003, 4:47
>

> Jerry with Merle 10/3/78

2/12/70

[Jim Powell]

I take it that Mafco meant the Deadlists entry is incorrect in saying they
did not play Ungano's on 2/12/70, but I too would appreciate a clarification
on this point.

Whichever is the case, it is plain that the tapes circulating mislabled
"2/12/70" are no such thing.


>
> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:17:10 -0500
> From: Dave S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: 2/12/70
>
> Hi Marco -
>
> I was wondering what you meant when you said that 2/12/70 is the
> incorrect date.  Do you mean that the Dead played at your father's
> nightclub on another occasion - or that the info about them not playing
> there at all on 2/12/70 was incorrect?
>
> Do you know if this was a one time thing, or did the dead (other bands
> too?) play at Ungano's when they were in town to also play at the
> Fillmore East?
>
>
> Thanks for speaking up on this,
>
> Dave S.
>

7/12/70 interim report

[Jim Powell]

Title: 7/12/70 interim report





Joe Hodges just sent me a 3-cd version of this show & I'm taking the opportunity to file an interim report to the group.


First, when I refer to "Fillmore East 7/12/70" I am talking about the date as listed on Deadlists, whose acoustic set begins with Dire Wolf.  I specify this because there are some people who argue (erroneously in my view of the evidence) that our tape dated "7/12/70" is in fact "7/11/70" and vice versa.  As discussed before, the multiple masters of 7/11/70 (and now of 7/12/70 as well) disprove this contention.


At present I have 3 sources for this date:


1)  3rd gen cassettes from Uli, of the entire Dead acoustic & electric sets as listed in the Deadlists entry.  This is a different AUD master than Weinberg's master; it is about the same quality as Weinberg's; it circulates labeled "7/12/70."


2)  3 Cds, just sent me by Joe Hodges.  These contain the same master as my cassettes, in a mildly inferior copy, with a few minor differences in contents & order (it is missing Easy Wind, & its 2nd set beginning runs Mama, Attics, Cat > Rider, Man's World, CRS, High Time, East River Story; it is missing Uncle John); I am pretty sure that the cassette order is correct (as listed on Deadlists).


3)  2 Cds of Marty Weinberg's master.  The first contains  the NRPS set material as in the Deadlists entry.  

The second CD begins with a statement by the taper (with hall noise in the background) that 'we bring you the Grateful Dead from Fillmore Saturday night July 11, 1970.'  After a big splice, there follows same performance of Easy Wind as appears on the other 7/12/70 master.  (There are also 2 different AUD masters of 7/11/70 (as in the DL entry) in circulation, both labeled "7/11/70."  I don't know what's going on with the announcement spliced in at the beginning of this excerpt from Weinberg's master but all the other evidence is against this dating.  

The rest of this CD comprises, after Easy Wind, Mama Tried thru Man's World# as in the DL entry except missing the High Time.



At this point it looks to me that what we need to do, unless a pristine complete copy of Weinberg's master emerges, is to master either Uli's cassettes or their source to Cds.  Failing this we can master my cassettes.

Joe Hodges

[Jim Powell]

hey Joe, please e-mail me -- I lost your e-mail address.  thanks.  Jim 
Powell

and thanks for 7/12/70

9/26/72

[Jim Powell]

My copy of the 9/26/72 SBD has digi-glitches between 6:28 and 6:40 of 
Sugaree.  Before we try to fix these I'd like to confirm that these glitches
exist on all circulating copies.  Could I get some feedback on this from the
list please?

9/26/72

[Jim Powell]

Deadlists & DeadBase both say that the 2nd set of Stanley Theater, Jersey 
City 9/26/72 begins with Bertha, but neither the circulating SBD nor the AUD
tape have any trace of Berth.  Could this listing be erroneous?  What is it
based on?

9/3/72 & 4/24/70

[Jim Powell]

Muchas Garcias to Carsten Baumann and Hanno Bunjes for the final clean-up of
the 9/3/72 composite (and to Uli for sending me a copy).  It's great to
FINALLY have this important show in optimal form.

And muchas garcias also to Uli Teute & Gerhard Schinzel for the optimal copy
opf Gerhard's  MAC > R > D > CD of Denver 4/24/70.  It is too wonderful to
finally have a top-quality copy of this really fairly decent AUD master of
this TRULY GREAT show.

After another listen I am inclined to think that probably the sequence of
the second set ran, from the Dark Star,

Dark Star > St. Stephen > The Eleven > drums > jam > It's A Man's Man's
Man's World

That is, I think there is the appearance of plausible continuity between the
jam when it breaks off and Man's World.

Anderson Theater, NYC Nov. 70 Hells Angels Benefit

[Jim Powell]

I observe that one of the press notices reproduced with Dick's Picks #30 
says that the Dead played a benefit for the Hells Angels at the Anderson
Theater in November of 1970.

New Years 84

[Jim Powell]

Right before the '84 New Years run Steve Parish's wife & kids were killed in
a car crash.  He talks about this in his new book, Home Before Daylight I
think is the title -- worth reading if you're into reading accounts of life
with the Dead.

3/25/72 & Dick's Picks #30

[Jim Powell]

Dick's Picks 30, due out tomorrow, includes material from the Academy Of
Music NYC 3/25/72 set with Bo Diddley.  This exciting release also includes
the whole of the great 3/28/72, hitherto only circulating in cruddy AUD.

Checking out my cassette of 3/25/72 I find that the Deadlists entry needs
two corrections.  The first five items of the first set match up with the
cassette.  It looks like the release will include the first three items,
with the "Jam" described as " I've Seen Them All >Jam".  It's a pity they
skipped Take It Off (Girls, Take it ALL Off) -- in case you ever wonder
where Pigpen gets it.

Bo Diddley [3:55] > I'm A Man [5:56] ; Jam [9;03] ; Take It All Off [3:56] ;
Mona [2:32] ;

After Mona Deadlists now reads

Wow Wow Hey Hey > Unknown Blues ; Pollution ; Eighteen Children ; Jam

The tune called "Wow Wow Hey Hey" times 10 minutes and features a passage of
drums (which is partly cut on the tape). This is a jam with scat vocals by a
tenor on a recognizeable soul hit from the period, perhaps called 'Baby,
Won't You Be My Girl."  This is probably Bo Diddley's band without Bo
Diddley or Dead members.  (It will be curious to see what the Dick's Picks
says about the personnel of the opening tunes.)

>From the Unknown Blues through the end of the set this is probably Bo
Diddley's band, including Bo Diddley, with Garcia and probably other Dead
members sitting in.  It times 5:10.

The guzinta after "Wow Wow Hey Hey" is incorrect.  There is a tape splice
after the end of "Wow Wow Hey Hey," and then the Unknown Blues begins.

Pollution and Eighteen Children follow (the latter blues features the phrase
"I got eighteen children").

After Eighteen Children the set concludes with two Jams, the first timing
3:50 and the second 3:50 with a cut in it of uncertain proportions.

The list for this set should read more like:

Bo Diddley [3:55] > I'm A Man [5:56] > I've Seen Them All > Jam [9;03] %
Take It All Off [3:56] % Mona [2:32] % Wow Wow Hey Hey [10:#00] % Unknown
Blues [5:10] % Pollution % Eighteen Children % jam [3:50] % set ending jam
[3:#50]

5/24/68

[Jim Powell]

I just went to e-tree & fail to find a listing for this date under 1968 
Dead.  What's up?

BCT 9/24/94

[Jim Powell]

I'm looking for and not finding a listing on Deadlists for the acoustic Dead
set at the BCT, I think the date is 9/24/94.  Have I got it wrong, or,
what's up with this?

11/23/70 & 11/16/70

[Jim Powell]

The tape of Traffic is from the Fillmore East.  It has been in circulation
on cassette labeled "Traffic, Fillmore East Nov. 70" for more than 15 years.
More recently it has come around labeled "Fillmore East 11/23/70."  The date
appears to be incorrect, the venue isn't.  Tapes labeled as "Anderson
Theater" are just mislabeled.

Presumably the fragment of AUD tape of Good Lovin with Papa John & others
labeled "Fillmore East 11/16/70" is from that gig, and the story Corey
Arnold relates concerning the booking of the gig is correct.

Claims that the tapes labeled in circulation for 30 years "Hells Angels
Benefit, Anderson Theater, NYC 11/23/70" are actually from the Fillmore East
are certainly incorrect.  Will Scarlet, who played this gig, remembers
playing on the Uncle John on the tape, which proves that the tape is from
the Hells Angels Benefit gig, and he is certain that this gig was not at
Fillmore East.

Apparently Traffic was playing in Buffalo on 11/23/70, which may rule out
11/23/70 as the date of the Hells Angels Benefit.

According to Richard Volet Winwood sat in with the Dead at Fillmore East on
11/16/70.  Given our unreliable knowledge of the lineage of the tapes and
master(s) circulating labeled "11/23/70," it is possible that this tape
actually represent a compilation of material from both the Fillmore East and
Anderson Theater gig, with the Winwood material deriving from Fillmore East
11/16/70.  Occam's Razor argues against this theory, however.

The argument is repeated advanced that "Bill Graham would never have
introduced the Dead at Anderson Theater."  This is bogus.  Bill Graham did
all sorts of things, maybe including this, maybe not.

9/10/72 seeds

[Jim Powell]

seeds of 9/10/72 into the mail today to Jeremy, Bashara & Topal.
-- 

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Simon Phillips snailmail

[Jim Powell]

Simon Phillips mastered one of the AUD tapes we used to patch London 9/10/74
and also supplied a copy of the other AUD master.  I want to send him a copy
of the composite & want to check his snailmail address first.  I e-mailed
him a couple weeks ago & haven't heard.  Simon, are you on this list still? 

9/10/74 seeds a-sowing

[Jim Powell]

Title: 9/10/74 seeds a-sowing




It's been a  l o n g  time coming, but finally we have a complete optimal composite of London 9/10/74.

I will supply seeds for B&P to the first 5 people who e-mail & promise to propagate widely & promptly.  I will also supply seeds for SHN and for an audio tree.

Cheers.




Alexandra Palace, London 9/10/74

GRATEFUL DEAD
Alexandra Palace
London 9/10/74

MSR > D > CD supplemented with 
Simon Phillips MAC > CD  ( = AUD1)
& another MAC > ? > C > C > CD  ( = AUD2)
patches & remaster by Dave Greenberg
project coordinated by Jim Powell
special thanks to Simon Phillips, Rob Bertrando, Hugh Barroll & Bob Menke

Disc #1:  First Set pt 1:  56:08

Around & Around
Mississippi Halfstep
Beat It On Down The Line
Peggy O
Black-Throated Wind
China Cat Sunflower >
I Know You Rider  p/w AUD1 @ 2:10
Loser

Disc #2:  75:38

Weather Report Suite >
Stella Blue

Seastones AUD2

Second Set pt 1

Me & My Uncle
Dire Wolf
Not Fade Awey
Ramble On Rose  p/w AUD2  @  0:46
Big River

Disc #3:  Show conclusion:  58:33

Dark Star >
Morning Dew 
Sugar Magnolia    p/w AUD1 @ 6:11

US Blues AUD

Traffic "Anderson Theater 11/23/70"

[Jim Powell]

I'm pretty sure this is a Traffic set from their Fillmore East run a few 
days earlier, mislabeled.

Winterland 4/15/70 additional personnel

[Jim Powell]

The additional keyboards might be Freiberg, it couldn't be Hopkins.  I guess
the additional guitarist could be Duncan -- it doesn't sound at all like
Jorma or Cippolina or Santana, although the jam itself sounds rather like a
Santana jam.  It's hard to say much about the additional guitarist because
he's just playing a _real_ fast rhythm part.
--

Noah Weiner's composite of 5/20/73

[Jim Powell]

I'm check out a copy of Noah Weiner's composite of UCSB 5/20/73 & it's a 
great job.  It's going up shortly on TOL, I understand.  Don't miss it.  And
thanks Noah!

Winterland 4/15/70 additional personnel

[Jim Powell]

Title: Winterland 4/15/70 additional personnel




We played the Winterland 4/15/70 That's It For The Other One last night at Ashkenaz Dead Night and, through that magnificent spearker system, it was obvious that the 5 minute jam following the first drums includes additional personnel.  A conga player joins during the first drums and in the 5-minute jam following there is a third guitarist (playing rhythm) and someone on keyboards (not Pigpen).  The jam itself sounds like a Santana riff so we were wondering if the additional musicians could be from Santana's band  --  Neil Schon on guiter & Greg Rollins on the keys?  Another guess for the person on keyboards would be Merl Saunders.  Jefferson Airplane was also on this bill; I don't know if anyone else was.  Comments?

deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu

[Jim Powell]

Title: 9/10/72 seeds & B&P



OK, let's try this again.

I'll provide seeds if someone wants to do SHN and also if someone wants to administer an audio tree.  I'll also supplies copies to the first five e-mails promising to put it promptly into circulation.



Hollywood Palladium 9/10/72
MSR > C > CD  patched with  MSR > C > D > C > D
Patches & remaster by Dave Greenberg.
Uploads & project coordination by Jim Powell
Special thanks to Kevin Weil

Disc #1:  First Set, pt 1:  57:35

#-Bertha
Greatest Story
Mississippi Halfstep
Black Throated Wind
Bird Song -x-  11:40
Promised Land
Deal
El Paso
Sugaree


Disc #2:  72:44

First Set conclusion

Playin In The Band
Casey Jones (opening patched)

Second Set beginning

He's Gone
Truckin
Ramble On Rose
Beat It On Down The Line
Black Peter (glitches fixed & patch at 6:57)


Disc #3:  Show conclusion:  67:27

Dark Star > (glitch fix at 20:52)
drums >
Dark Star >
Jack Straw > (patch at 4:52)
Sing Me Back Home
Sugar Magnolia   (2nd source)

Saturday Night   (2nd source)


David Crosby sits in on Casey Jones, Sugar Mag and Saturday Night.



We used a cassette passed along by Latvala in the mid 90s, apparently from a different transcription of the reels than the one now commonly circulating, to patch the commonly circulating version, as follows:

The beginning of the Casey Jones is now intact.

The glitches and cut (at 6:57) in Black Peter are fixed.

The glitch at Dark Star 20:52 is fixed.

The cut (4:52) in the transition between Jack Straw and Sing Me Back Home is fixed.

Sugar Mag and Saturday Night are added.


All these fixes are transparent.


Remaining defects are:

The first half of Bertha is still missing.

There is something missing in Bird Song at 11:40.

11/??/65

[Jim Powell]

The Golden Road mislabled as part of Muir Beach Acid Test is Fillmore 
Auditorium 5/5/67
--

Jim Powell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


--
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (deadlists-digest)
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: deadlists-digest V4 #137
>Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 12:26
>

> 11/??/65

Hells Angels Benefit 11/23/70

[Jim Powell]

I ran into Will Scarlet last night at Ashkenaz Dead Night where he is a 
sometime attendee & it finally occured to me to ask him about the "Anderson
Theater 11/23/70" Hells Angels Benefit, since he plays harmonica on the
Uncle John's Band.

He clearly remembers the gig, as a Hells Angels Benefit, & remembers playing
on the Uncle John.

He is absolutely positive that this gig WAS NOT at Fillmore East.  I asked
him if it was at the "Anderson Theater" and he says he doesn't remember the
name of the hall but he is certain it wasn't Fillmore East.

9/3/72

[Jim Powell]

Checking it out I'm afraid I hear that Hanno is quite correct; the first 
disc of the 9/3/72 seed does indeed sound about a whole tone slow & requires
speed correction.  Sorry we missed this; it was the one disc we thought we
had nothing to do to improve.

However, it's good to get this out in a version with the final tune added
(Sat Nt), as well as with the first disc speed corrected.

*

Regarding thes two quotations appended to dennisw's post, I want to remind
people in Europe that George Bush WAS NOT ELECTED president of the US, he
was installed in that office by means of a judicial coup d'etat after he
LOST the popular vote (he would have lost the electoral vote as well, if the
Supreme Court had allowed the Florida vote to be counted, once Bush's
brother got caught rigging it -- but it didn't).

9/28/72 AUD sought

[Jim Powell]

I need to turn up a good clean complete copy of the AUD tape of Stanley 
Theater, Jersey City 9/28/72.  Can somebody help?

12/26/70

[Jim Powell]

Title: 12/26/70



This is finally ready to go in complete & optimal form.  I will do B&P for the first five people who e-mail me and promise to put it into prompt wide circulation.  I will also provide a seed if someone wants to do SHN and put it up on the net, and I will supply a seed if someone wants to do an audio tree.




GRATEFUL DEAD
Legion Stadium
El Monte 12/26/70
MSR > C > D > CD 
supplemented with MSR > C > D > CD
and MSR > ? > C > D
Mastered by Dave Greenberg
Project coordinated by Jim Powell
Special thanks to Michael Dixon 


Disc #1:  First Set:  75:24

Cold Rain & Snow
Mama Tried
Frozen Logger
Easy Wind
Til The Morning Comes
Truckin'
Friend Of The Devil
Me & My Uncle
Candyman
Big RR Blues
Minglewood
Black Peter
Beat It On Down The Line

Disc #2:  Second Set:  61:31

Morning Dew
Casey Jones
Dire Wolf
China Cat Sunflower >
I Know You Rider
Good Lovin >
Uncle John's Band


2nd source:  
d1  t5  2:58 -  t7 0:57, d1 t 13 ­0:08 - 0:02 & 7:14 - 8:05
d 2  t 2 0:00 - 0:04, t5 0:26 - t7 ­0:02

a 1-second glitch in the second source
at 1:13 of I Know You Rider
was patched with MSR > ? > C > D

This composite of the complete show is assembled from two sources. Possibly we have here copies of two different masters, or possibly we have two different copies of the same reel master.  Most of the tape comes from the is MSR > C > D recognizeable by the tunes it is missing (Easy Wind thru the start of Truckin & China Cat > Rider.  

The tunes missing on this tape are here supplied from another MSR > C > D which is instead missing parts of Big RR Blues and all of Good Lovin > Uncle John.  Both tapes sound nice but the first source sounds a bit better.  Dave Greenberg, who assembled and mastered the final composite, says that the stereo imaging of the second source resembles a cassette master's (the documentation with the tape calls it a reel master, however).  A minute glitch in the second source is fixed with the help of a third, cassette source.

4/2/90 & 4/3/90 MSD > D > CD

[Jim Powell]

The CDs I mentioned, with the cuts between tracks, are definitely digital 
master, not cassette master, so they must have been cut loose separately
from the cassette masters circulating.  Not that it makes much difference,
mutilated as they are -- the cassette masters will do.  But that's plainly &
definitely NOT what these are.

4/2/90 & 4/3/90

[Jim Powell]

Title: 4/2/90 & 4/3/90



I'm checking out 6 Cds of Atlanta 4/2/90 & 4/3/90, MSD > D > CD.  

Between every track there is a cut, with 1 to 5 or more seconds missing.  

Are there unmutilated versions of this out there?  

9/10/72 seeds -- HOLD EVERYTHING!

[Jim Powell]

I just heard from someone who thinks he can supply patches for El Paso and
Bird Song, so we'll put this on hold until that's check out.  Sorry for the
pre-mature climax there.

9/10/72 seeds

[Jim Powell]

Title: 9/10/72 seeds



This is ready to go.  I will supply seeds if someone wants to take care of SHN and uploading it to the net.  I will also supply seeds if someone wants to do an audio tree.  And I will do B&P for the first five people who e-mail me who promise to propagate them promptly, widely & freely.  Enjoy.


Hollywood Palladium 9/10/72
MSR > C > CD  patched with  MSR > C > D > C > D
Patches & remaster by Dave Greenberg.
Uploads & project coordination by Jim Powell.

Disc #1:  First Set, pt 1:  57:35

#-Bertha
Greatest Story
Mississippi Halfstep
Black Throated Wind
Bird Song -x-  11:30
Promised Land
Deal
#-El Paso
Sugaree


Disc #2:  72:44

First Set conclusion

Playin In The Band
Casey Jones (opening patched)

Second Set beginning

He's Gone
Truckin
Ramble On Rose
Beat It On Down The Line
Black Peter (glitches fixed & patch at 6:57)


Disc #3:  Show conclusion:  67:27

Dark Star > (glitch fix at 20:52)
drums >
Dark Star >
Jack Straw > (patch at 4:52)
Sing Me Back Home
Sugar Magnolia   (from 2nd source)

Saturday Night   (from 2nd source)



We used a cassette passed along by Latvala in the mid 90s, apparently from a different transcription of the reels than the one now commonly circulating, to patch the commonly circulating version, as follows:

The beginning of the Casey Jones is now intact.

The glitches and cut (at 6:57) in Black Peter are fixed.

The glitch at Dark Star 20:52 is fixed.

The cut (4:52) in the transition between Jack Straw and Sing Me Back Home is fixed.

Sugar Mag and Saturday Night are added.


All these fixes are transparent.


Remaining defects are:

The first half of Bertha is still missing.

There is something missing in Bird Song at 11:30.

The first few seconds of El Paso are clipped.


David Crosby sits in on Casey Jones, Sugar Mag and Saturday Night.

Hollywood 9/10/72

[Jim Powell]

Title: Hollywood 9/10/72



In a week or two, once we're done with the seeds for 11/3/84, we'll release 9/10/72.  We have this complete in top quality SBD except for two cuts -- one being the first half or so of the show-opening Bertha and the other being a cut at 11:30 of Bird Song.  If you have a good source to fill in these gaps, either another SBD source or a quality AUD, please get in touch.  Thanks.




Hollywood Palladium 9/10/72
MSR > C > CD  patched with  MSR > C > D > C > D
Patches & remaster by Dave Greenberg.
Uploads & project coordination by Jim Powell.

Disc #1:  First Set, pt 1:  57:35

#-Bertha
Greatest Story
Mississippi Halfstep
Black Throated Wind
Bird Song -x-  11:30
Promised Land
Deal
El Paso
Sugaree


Disc #2:  72:44

First Set conclusion

Playin In The Band
Casey Jones (opening patched)

Second Set beginning

He's Gone
Truckin
Ramble On Rose
Beat It On Down The Line
Black Peter (glitches fixed & patch at 6:57)


Disc #3:  Show conclusion:  67:27

Dark Star > (glitch fix at 20:52)
drums >
Dark Star >
Jack Straw > (patch at 4:52)
Sing Me Back Home
Sugar Magnolia

Saturday Night



We used a cassette passed along by Latvala in the mid 90s, apparently from a different transcription of the reels than the one now commonly circulating, to patch the commonly circulating version, as follows:

The beginning of the Casey Jones is now intact.

The glitches and cut (at 6:57) in Black Peter are fixed.

The glitch at Dark Star 20:52 is fixed.

The cut (4:52) in the transition between Jack Straw and Sing Me Back Home is fixed.

Sugar Mag and Saturday Night are added.


All these fixes are transparent.


The beginning of Bertha is still missing and there is still a cut in Bird Song at 11:30 (we've cleaned & smoothed it but it's still there).


David Crosby sits in on guitar for Casey Jones, Sugar Mag and Saturday Night, and possibly also for Playin In The Band and Dark Star.

BCT 11/3/84

[Jim Powell]

Title: BCT 11/3/84





Berkeley Community Theater 11/3/84

MSP > D > CD  patched with MAC > C > C > D

Disc #1:  57:07
Disc #2:  48:54
Disc #3:  55:16

Patches & remastering by Dave Greenberg.  Uploads & project coordination by Jim Powell.

This contains the complete show.  About 20 seconds from the end of Gloria to the first six seconds of Why Don't We Do It In The Road and 19 seconds from Uncle John's Band (10:42 - 11:01) are patched in from AUD.  A 1 second glitch at the end of space (12:03) was also fixed.

This show, the last of an important 6-show run at the BCT in late '84, tends to be undeservedly overshadowed by the previous night (11/2/84, which features the Gimme Some Lovin breakout and lots else).  Highlights of the 3rd include a solid first set featuring one of the two or three 15-bar-blues versions of Down In The Bottom and, in the second set Stranger > Cumberland, the most jammed out version of Gloria they ever played, and a splendid space > UJB > Mr. Fantasy.  The Throwin Stones is also  strong.  Why Don't We Do It In The Road is something of a car crash, but fun.

We've waited a long time to get this together.  It's a pleasure to put it out.


I will supply seeds for SHN if someone wants to take charge of getting this up on the internet.  I will also supply seeds for an audio vine if someone wants to administer.  And I will do B&P with the first five people who e-mail me and promise to propogate copies promptly.