2/12/70
info courtesy of : http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/7473/105601.html Grateful Dead - 02/12/70 1 disk audio Ungano's Night Club New York City, NY Set 1 Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line (5 beats), Good Lovin'-> Drums-> Good Lovin', Mama Tried-> Black Peter, Hard To Handle, Saint Stephen-> Not Fade Away, Casey Jones Comment Contrasting comments from deadlists.com: "An ad for this gig appears in the Village Voice. The 16 minute tape fragment sometimes circulated with this label is actually Fleetwood Mac w/ Peter Green, Clapton & Jr. Wells, Tea Party, Boston 2/12/70, the encore of Fleetwood Mac's set. Also, the 45 AUD tape excerpt from the 2/13/70 Early Show sometimes circulates mislabeled '2/12/70 Ungano's;' for more on this tape see 2/13/70a." SBD:MR>PCM>?>Dat>SSSB>EAC>WAV>SHN Source: SBD > 2-track RTR @ 15 i.p.s. > PCM > ? > D > SSSB Thanks to Jay Serafin for the disks! Audio Rating: AR-2 Any/all editing, fades, NR, hiss elimination, phase shifting/"time smear" correction, jitter elimination, and +/-2 dB max. EQ were performed using 100% digital-only processing (24-bit/96 kHz data stream) at Serafin Station Studio B EAC (High, Secure) > WAV > SHNv3 by Patrick Murphy >From Jay Serafin: All of the information about this show was obtained/confirmed by my Marin County source. This person is as close to being "inside the organization itself" as anyone can be, and this person has NEVER given me bad or erroneous information for the past 5 years! And what a show this is, too! It was actually an unannounced impromptu show in the middle of the Dead's Fillmore East run. The venue only held approximately 500 people, and it was a first-come, first-served show. Most of the seats were removed to allow some additional "SRO" concertgoers. The NYC Fire Department was on hand to enforce the "maximum number of patrons" restrictions, just to play it safe. "We" were lucky that the Dead's audio people brought along one of the spare 2-track RTR decks. "We" were also lucky from the standpoint of having a 95% hiss-free recording to begin with, as the deck was running at twice the normal "regular show" taping speed. This translates into lower levels of analog tape hiss, as well as having more high frequency recording capabilities. This show, for being set up in a hurry, was very well mixed. Jerry and Bobby each had their own channel for their guitars, and listening to how well Weir blended into the entire mix is very well "documented" with this recording. About the only negative I can say about this show's audio quality was that being in the small club, and most likely with the time frame the audio people had to set up, the drums are just a little buried in the mix, especially the cymbals. But, you still are going to get blown away by the audio quality of the show. DeadBase states a few things about this show that are inaccurate, such as "actual date and location unknown". This is not true, according to my source. This show did happen on this date at this venue. Sadly, because of the license and insurance the night club held, the show only lasted a little over an hour an 30 minutes. There are no "breaks" or "tape flips", as the band simply was given a "signal" to cut a song off, so that the RTR could have a new tape put on. All the songs are complete and unedited. The only "exception" to this was my decision to cut off the very opening 20 seconds of the first song, "Cold Rain & Snow", simply because of the fade-in of the copy I received wasn't right. Since the volume levels on the recording I received were very low, when I went to bring everything up to the correct level, the CR&S fade-in would have sounded pretty bad. I opted to just cut off the bare minimum of the opening riff to make things sound "correct". I guess the "topper" to this show, besides the fantastic sound, the good mix, and everything else, is that Phil was just going off into the ozone on a couple of the songs. He wasn't "way out there", but he definitely was trying to travel down that road that made him such an integral part of the "Sound Of The Dead". He's got some very good riffs going, especially during "Good Lovin'" and "Saint Stephen". Garcia and Weir were playing off each other, and you can tell they were in their groove this night. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it is quite noticeable, but they just "clicked". The audience, although they weren't "recorded" for ambience, could be heard in the distance between songs, and you can tell that they definitely got their money's worth. I imagine the closeness, proximity
2/12/70
I take it that Mafco meant the Deadlists entry is incorrect in saying they did not play Ungano's on 2/12/70, but I too would appreciate a clarification on this point. Whichever is the case, it is plain that the tapes circulating mislabled "2/12/70" are no such thing. > > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:17:10 -0500 > From: Dave S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: 2/12/70 > > Hi Marco - > > I was wondering what you meant when you said that 2/12/70 is the > incorrect date. Do you mean that the Dead played at your father's > nightclub on another occasion - or that the info about them not playing > there at all on 2/12/70 was incorrect? > > Do you know if this was a one time thing, or did the dead (other bands > too?) play at Ungano's when they were in town to also play at the > Fillmore East? > > > Thanks for speaking up on this, > > Dave S. >
Re: 2/12/70
Hi Marco - I was wondering what you meant when you said that 2/12/70 is the incorrect date. Do you mean that the Dead played at your father's nightclub on another occasion - or that the info about them not playing there at all on 2/12/70 was incorrect? Do you know if this was a one time thing, or did the dead (other bands too?) play at Ungano's when they were in town to also play at the Fillmore East? Thanks for speaking up on this, Dave S. From: Marco Ungano/ADC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:07 pm Subject: 2/12/70 Gentlemen, Regarding the above date dead show. Absolutely incorrect. My father was Nick Ungano, owner of Ungano's night club. Jerry and the boys, went to Ungano's in between shows at the Filmmore. My father worked for Bill Graham as a promoter and booking agent. Both my father and mother were at the show. It did happen. Just wanted to let you know.couldn't possibly come from a more reliable source. Thanks, Marco Ungano
Re: 2/12/70
So what was the date of the show? - Original Message - From: Marco Ungano/ADC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 9:07 pm Subject: 2/12/70 > > Gentlemen, > > Regarding the above date dead show. > > Absolutely incorrect. My father was Nick Ungano, owner of > Ungano's night > club. Jerry and the boys, went to Ungano's in between shows at the > Filmmore. My father worked for Bill Graham as a promoter and booking > agent. Both my father and mother were at the show. > > It did happen. Just wanted to let you know.couldn't possibly > come from > a more reliable source. > > Thanks, > Marco Ungano > >
2/12/70
Gentlemen, Regarding the above date dead show. Absolutely incorrect. My father was Nick Ungano, owner of Ungano's night club. Jerry and the boys, went to Ungano's in between shows at the Filmmore. My father worked for Bill Graham as a promoter and booking agent. Both my father and mother were at the show. It did happen. Just wanted to let you know.couldn't possibly come from a more reliable source. Thanks, Marco Ungano
Re: 2/13/70a mislabeled 2/12/70
One of the main reasons this is still going on is due to the fact that gdlive.com has it on their server listed as 2/12/70...cm - Original Message - From: Tim Anderson To: Jim Powell ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: Re: 2/13/70a mislabeled 2/12/70 --- Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Anderson & Serafin & Bear are of course free to > create as much > confusion as they want, but I really think the rest > of us have spent ample > time on this question. Jim: I don't believe I was sticking my nose in this controversy beyond pointing out that it is an ongoing phenomena, and the mislabeling will persist due to Bear's and Serafin's efforts. Personally, I think that the attribution of the 2/13/70 early show to the tape that goes around is correct, for what it's worth. tim = [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://db.etree.org/t_spaceman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: 2/13/70a mislabeled 2/12/70
--- Jim Powell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tim Anderson & Serafin & Bear are of course free to > create as much > confusion as they want, but I really think the rest > of us have spent ample > time on this question. Jim: I don't believe I was sticking my nose in this controversy beyond pointing out that it is an ongoing phenomena, and the mislabeling will persist due to Bear's and Serafin's efforts. Personally, I think that the attribution of the 2/13/70 early show to the tape that goes around is correct, for what it's worth. tim = [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://db.etree.org/t_spaceman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2/13/70a mislabeled 2/12/70
Part of the 2/13/70 Early Show has been in circulation mislabeled "2/12/70" for more than 20 years. We proved that it was mislabeled back in the mid 80s. We proved it again a few years ago. Everyone is familiar with Bear's notions about 2/13-14/70. All the evidence proves him wrong. And all the evidence proves that the "2/13/70" tape is in fact 2/13/70 Early Show. Tim Anderson & Serafin & Bear are of course free to create as much confusion as they want, but I really think the rest of us have spent ample time on this question. Here is the current DeadLists entry for 2/12/70. I bet one of these days Kevin will have it up on the site. BAND Grateful Dead VENUE Ungano's Night Club CITY New York STATE NY DATE 02/12/70 SET1 SET2 SET3 ENCORE COMMENTS An ad for this gig appears in the Village Voice. The 16 minute tape fragment sometimes circulated with this label is actually Fleetwood Mac w/ Peter Green, Clapton & Jr. Wells, Tea Party, Boston 2/12/70, the encore of Fleetwood Mac's set. Also, the 45 AUD tape excerpt from the 2/13/70 Early Show sometimes circulates mislabeled "2/12/70 Ungano's;" for more on this tape see 2/13/70a. RECORDING CONTRIBUTORS Jim Powell Joey Newlander
Re: 2/12/70
Jim, maybe you should put a bit in the 2.13.70a entry about the ongoing 2.12.70 controversy. It seems that some people (like Serafin) are siding with Bear's statements that the Fillmore early shows never happened. Hence the ongoing circulation of the "2.12.70" date. No one ever seems to notice, however, that Bear states the band played no other NYC shows during that run. Bear's statement is here: http://www.thebear.org/albums.html#anchor753229 Dig the 'ol Bear ego in full effect: "From the feedback I have had, and the tapes I have listened to, I estimate 30% or more of both audience and 'board' tapes/CD's are either mislabelled or faked." Apologies if this has been discussed recently, but I've been away from the Deadlists list for a while. Best, tim --- Marcus Thunich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm curious about this too. Jay Serafin seeded this > show and goes on in > detail provided by his "Marin County Source" about > this show here: > > http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=5932 > > > Anyone ever talked to Jay about this? > > Marcus > > > *** > MCSE, MCP, A+ > *** > Visit my CD-R trading page at: > http://home.cogeco.ca/~marcust99/home1.html > *** > I can be reached via ICQ # 4116873 > *** > > > = [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://db.etree.org/t_spaceman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2/12/70
I'm curious about this too. Jay Serafin seeded this show and goes on in detail provided by his "Marin County Source" about this show here: http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=5932 Anyone ever talked to Jay about this? Marcus *** MCSE, MCP, A+ *** Visit my CD-R trading page at: http://home.cogeco.ca/~marcust99/home1.html *** I can be reached via ICQ # 4116873 ***
Re: 2-12-70
It's listed there. Along with an explanation that it's a bogus date and location. What you actually have is 2-13-70 early. rich --- Donald Bruschi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a CD Labeled Ungano's NiteClub 2-12-70. The > Songs are: Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line > (5 beats), Good Lovin'-> Drums-> Good Lovin', Mama > Tried-> Black Peter, Hard To Handle, Saint Stephen-> > Not Fade Away, Casey Jones. > Is this incorrect? Why is it not listed in Deadlists? > Don > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
2-12-70
I have a CD Labeled Ungano's NiteClub 2-12-70. The Songs are: Cold Rain & Snow, Beat It On Down The Line (5 beats), Good Lovin'-> Drums-> Good Lovin', Mama Tried-> Black Peter, Hard To Handle, Saint Stephen-> Not Fade Away, Casey Jones. Is this incorrect? Why is it not listed in Deadlists? Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
