Re: extlinux

2010-05-27 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/27/2010 08:54 AM, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> Just one question:  why /boot/extlinux/ ?  Why can't it be
> placed directly to /boot, so that all kernel images may be
> referenced using relative paths?

there's more than one file used for the config, so putting them into an
own directory is better to not clutter /boot with several .conf files.

additionally, if ftp-masters ever happen to process
syslinux-themes-debian in NEW, we would have a nice graphical menu for
extlinux (and for syslinux/pxelinux etc.). having those in /boot is kind
of a requirement, and having those in /boot too would be seriously
unreasonable, but having the activated theme in /boot/extlinux/theme/ is.

Hope that explains it, feel free to if you want more information.

Regards,
Daniel

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Re: extlinux

2010-05-27 Thread Michael Tokarev

26.05.2010 22:32, Daniel Baumann wrote:
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how about adding your parameters to EXTLINUX_PARAMETERS in
/etc/default/extlinux? then they will be used for all images in the
config automatically.

in case that's not what you were looking for: as stated in another mail,
i've added update-extlinux/extlinux-install and it fits my setups well -
but any suggestions are welcome, please feel encouraged to submit bug
reports against extlinux.


Thank you Daniel for doing that.  I use extlinux for several
years already, but never bothered submitting my local scripts
for doing the same.  And now yours are superior anyway :)

Just one question:  why /boot/extlinux/ ?  Why can't it be
placed directly to /boot, so that all kernel images may be
referenced using relative paths?

Thanks!

/mjt


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Re: extlinux

2010-05-26 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 05/26/2010 10:45 AM, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> That's the single feature I misseded.  Thanks.

welcome.

> Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some
> fixed part in it, while keeping most of it auto updated.  I tested the
> extlinux package after reading about it yesterday, and the missing
> feature that immediately hit me was the ability to use a serial console.
> This is of course as easy as with sys-/pxe-/mem-linux: just add 
> "serial 0 9600 0" or something similar to the config file.  But running
> update-extlinux would remove it on every kernel upgrade. Anyway, I
> understand that this issue is now solved.

how about adding your parameters to EXTLINUX_PARAMETERS in
/etc/default/extlinux? then they will be used for all images in the
config automatically.

in case that's not what you were looking for: as stated in another mail,
i've added update-extlinux/extlinux-install and it fits my setups well -
but any suggestions are welcome, please feel encouraged to submit bug
reports against extlinux.

> It has puzzled me for a while that grub2 has been chosen over extlinux
> as the default x86 bootloader

extlinux doesn't support as many filesystems to read the kernels from as
grub does (extlinux basically only supports extlinux, and in 4.0 also
btrfs; and syslinux would support fat, though).

while i really like extlinux for the reasons outlined earlier[0], i
don't think it's a good default for everyone and anything.

> HPA has been an active upstream maintainer all
> this time AFAIK.

indeed, he's an excellent upstream in every aspect.

Regards,
Daniel

[0]
http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2009/11/30#20091130_extlinux-as-alternative-bootloader

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Re: extlinux (was: Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2"))

2010-05-26 Thread Samuel Thibault
Bjørn Mork, le Wed 26 May 2010 10:45:49 +0200, a écrit :
> Just comparing http://git.kernel.org/?p=boot/syslinux/syslinux.git with
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ should IMHO give more
> than enough information to choose extlinux over grub2

I don't understand what you mean here.

Samuel


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extlinux (was: Re: lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2"))

2010-05-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Daniel Baumann  writes:

> as of current git, you can now use EXTLINUX_UPDATE=false in
> /etc/default/extlinux to prevent having update-extlinux do anything.

That's the single feature I misseded.  Thanks.

Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some
fixed part in it, while keeping most of it auto updated.  I tested the
extlinux package after reading about it yesterday, and the missing
feature that immediately hit me was the ability to use a serial console.
This is of course as easy as with sys-/pxe-/mem-linux: just add 
"serial 0 9600 0" or something similar to the config file.  But running
update-extlinux would remove it on every kernel upgrade. Anyway, I
understand that this issue is now solved.

It has puzzled me for a while that grub2 has been chosen over extlinux
as the default x86 bootloader, but didn't know until this discussion
came up that extlinux now was packaged separately from syslinux, with
the nice helper scripts. I guess we all know syslinux and pxelinux very
well from Linux installation procedures over the last 15 years (for
syslinux at least), and HPA has been an active upstream maintainer all
this time AFAIK.  This makes me very confident in extlinux.  While grub2
has already bitten me too much to be considered at all on the important
boxes...

Just comparing http://git.kernel.org/?p=boot/syslinux/syslinux.git with
http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ should IMHO give more
than enough information to choose extlinux over grub2

Thanks a lot for packaging extlinux!



Bjørn


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