Re: Reforming the NM process

[Peter Samuelson]

[Panu Kalliokoski]
> Now seriously, the reasons why a package in Debian is quite different
> from a Debian package outside of Debian should be well-known enough:
> ease of search and use for users and infrastructure for packaging
> (such as the BTS).

Those are minor things compared to the reputation of the Debian Project
for doing high-quality packaging.  Package quality, aided by a thorough
Policy document which all maintainers aim to comply with, is what makes
Debian something more than just a huge pile of free software in someone
distribution's contrib directory.

As such, I'm strongly opposed to anything related to letting people who
don't know what they're doing stick their own packages into the archive
without anyone checking them closely.

> > For the rest, you're dreaming, we're not going to give vote rights
> > instantly. It doesn't make any sense.
> 
> Probably not, although I doubt there's anything horribly wrong with
> it.  But I would give vote rights instantly, so who is this "we"
> you're talking about?

Please do read the rest of this thread, Manoj gave a very good answer
to this one earlier.  The right to vote is the right to change the
future directions and core principles (e.g., the Debian Free Software
Guidelines) of the entire Project.  It comes in exchange for a certain
commitment to the Project that random contributors and other users have
not made - even valuable contributors like the authors of GNU libc.
The way to make that commitment is to become a Debian Developer.

Besides, there is no value in a wide-open voting system.  This is
called an "Internet poll" and the results generally reflect whatever
websites or blogs happen to publicise it.


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Re: Just a second of your time

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 22 May 2006 13:59, Michael wrote:
> Being totally ignorant of any type of Linux based OS, I'm going to ask a
> stupid question. Does Debain use a GUI or does it use a DOSesk black screen
> and typing in commands to get things cooking ?

Yes.

> Yes I was raised on GUI ala 
> "Windows" but I'm interested in trying to move away from the jugernaut. If
> you don't mind giving me info or even a website so I can research my own
> question. I just don't know where to look first

http://debian.org/

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Re: Just a second of your time

[Christoph Haas]

Hello, Michael...

On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 04:59:45PM -0400, Michael wrote:
> Being totally ignorant of any type of Linux based OS, I'm going to ask a 
> stupid
> question. Does Debain use a GUI or does it use a DOSesk black screen and 
> typing
> in commands to get things cooking ?

There are several kinds of GUIs like KDE (www.kde.org) or Gnome
(www.gnome.org) to name the larger environments plus a dozen of others. The
Debian installer will offer you to select a "Desktop Installation" which
will provide you with a complete installation where you can log in and
click your way through.

The "black screen" you are referring to is called a "console". And, yes,
it's available and always a good tool to have in case your GUI environment
breaks. (On server you most likely don't even need GUIs and stay with the
console.) You can switch between consoles and the graphical environment.

> Yes I was raised on GUI ala "Windows" but I'm interested in trying to
> move away from the jugernaut. If you don't mind giving me info or even a
> website so I can research my own question. I just don't know where to
> look first

Debian GNU is merely a distribution consisting of several thousand
packages. Roughly every package in Debian corresponds to an entry in the
"Control Panel / Software" section of a Windows installation. So you get
easy access to thousands of programs easily. Still you will need to
understand how each program works. Depending on your selection you will
either get a web server or mail server or a graphics-based workstation
where you write your diploma thesis on.

I hope that you - like most of us - will enjoy Debian. Good luck with it.
By the way: your questions are better suited for the
debian-user@lists.debian.org mailing list.

Kind regards
 Christoph Haas
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Just a second of your time

[Michael]

Being totally 
ignorant of any type of Linux based OS, I'm going to ask a stupid question. Does 
Debain use a GUI or does it use a DOSesk black screen and typing in commands to 
get things cooking ? Yes I was raised on GUI ala "Windows" but I'm interested in 
trying to move away from the jugernaut. If you don't mind giving me info or even 
a website so I can research my own question. I just don't know where to look 
first
 
Thanks for your time 

 
Michael

Re: Reforming the NM process

[Manoj Srivastava]

On 21 Apr 2006, Panu Kalliokoski uttered the following:

> My main point is: we would do well to follow the same principle of
> openness everywhere that we do on our mailing lists and BTS.  I
> don't think it would hurt Debian.  Voting is also a way to make
> contribution, and a much less dangerous one than the ability to send
> mail to a broad-audience mailing list.


This is where we differ. A mail sent is just that -- an
 email. Even a package upload can be reverted or superseded, and while
 it can be a serious issue, it is reversible.  Getting a say in how
 the project behaves in the future, or how the foundation documents
 are modified -- there lies the core of the project, and anyone who
 gets to have a say in it must have demonstrated something more than
 mere contribution of free software: commitment, demonstrated
 responsibility, and trustworthiness.

In my opinion, voting requires far more responsibility and
 judgement than maintaining a bunch of packages.

manoj
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