Re: Debian GNU/Linux license violation
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 04.09.2007, 13:13 -0500 schrieb Gunnar Wolf: > Gomi No Sensei dijo [Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:35:26AM -0700]: > > The following email is self-explanatory. The device sold at > > www.photovu.comis based on a modified Debian, but the company will not > > disclose the source. > > > > The quote is: "We will never have an open platform as we do not have the > > resources to support such an open product in the field. It's not that we > > wouldn't like to, as we believe in open source and in fact use a customized > > base debian distribution with the addition of all our custom software on > > top. The last reason is why we weld our units shut and the aluminum > > metal must be cut and drilled to open it up!" > > Please explain a bit further on this: What are the product's > modifications on Debian that you require them to distribute? Thing is, > although this people's argument (i.e. "the system being open to > hackers" and all) is quite flawed, Debian is a _distribution_, it is > not -as a whole- made available on a Copyleft license. > > If you spot they have modified the Linux kernel, the GNU tools, the > compiler, etc., then you can demand them sources for their > modifications - But you can freely mix Debian and completely > propietary code. And you will not be forced to disclose your > propietary sources - But modifications made to copylefted (note that > _not_ every Free Software license is copyleft) software should be > released as well. You might want to bring this issue to http://gpl-violations.org/ they have a reputation of getting people to publish their sources. Greetings, Joachim -- Joachim "nomeata" Breitner Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil
Re: Debian GNU/Linux license violation
Gomi No Sensei dijo [Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 08:35:26AM -0700]: > The following email is self-explanatory. The device sold at > www.photovu.comis based on a modified Debian, but the company will not > disclose the source. > > The quote is: "We will never have an open platform as we do not have the > resources to support such an open product in the field. It's not that we > wouldn't like to, as we believe in open source and in fact use a customized > base debian distribution with the addition of all our custom software on > top. The last reason is why we weld our units shut and the aluminum > metal must be cut and drilled to open it up!" Hi, Please explain a bit further on this: What are the product's modifications on Debian that you require them to distribute? Thing is, although this people's argument (i.e. "the system being open to hackers" and all) is quite flawed, Debian is a _distribution_, it is not -as a whole- made available on a Copyleft license. If you spot they have modified the Linux kernel, the GNU tools, the compiler, etc., then you can demand them sources for their modifications - But you can freely mix Debian and completely propietary code. And you will not be forced to disclose your propietary sources - But modifications made to copylefted (note that _not_ every Free Software license is copyleft) software should be released as well. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian GNU/Linux license violation
-- Forwarded message -- From: Gomi No Sensei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sep 4, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: Fwd: PhotoVu Inquiry: 48889582 - 17" Frame, Open-source To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following email is self-explanatory. The device sold at www.photovu.comis based on a modified Debian, but the company will not disclose the source. The quote is: "We will never have an open platform as we do not have the resources to support such an open product in the field. It's not that we wouldn't like to, as we believe in open source and in fact use a customized base debian distribution with the addition of all our custom software on top. The last reason is why we weld our units shut and the aluminum metal must be cut and drilled to open it up!" -- Forwarded message -- From: PhotoVu Sales <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sep 4, 2007 7:04 AM Subject: Re: PhotoVu Inquiry: 48889582 - 17" Frame, Open-source To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Sean: Please see answers below. Thanks for your interest in PhotoVu. *PhotoVu Sales *<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (303) 444-5566 Boulder, CO www.photovu.com "*out of the shoebox & onto the wall*" Sales @ PhotoVu wrote: Below is your PhotoVu Inquiry Confirmation email. Please ensure that your SPAM filter ALLOWS emails from PhotoVu.com. Inquiry Number: 48889582 Contact Information --- Sean McManus -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 360-665-2502 WA US Subject --- Sales - 17" Frame, Open-source Question I am a consultant, and have a client who has asked me to evaluate and acquire a solution for an internal signage application. The opportunity is initially for 20-25 frames. I have seen your frames in use before, but had a few questions. 2) I am aware that your platform is Linux on a VIA embedded system. The client's application would likely require some minor customization to the frame -- possibly filtering of an RSS feed or special scanning treatment of a network folder (the application is not yet implemented). Despite searching your site, I have not found any detailed information about the Linux implementation or about accessibility to the internals. Please advise on this. We will never have an open platform as we do not have the resources to support such an open product in the field. It's not that we wouldn't like to, as we believe in open source and in fact use a customized base debian distribution with the addition of all our custom software on top. It's just that we can barely keep our head above water supporting our current base of users (which our non-technical consumers) (that's why we finally have started to generate a knowledge base). Opening our product up to hackers would present a support nightmare, not to mention the product liability of somebody electrocuting themselves. The last reason is why we weld our units shut and the aluminum metal must be cut and drilled to open it up! Supporting RSS feeds from several different service providers with ever changing feed specs has not been trivial nor do we expect it to be in the future. We are working on a MAJOR software upgrade to be released this Fall, which will support digital signage, as it's a market that is growing for us and finally seems to be heating up. For q 20-25, we would be willing to make the necessary modifications for you if it's something we thought we could leverage, while we are working on this software piece. We have a lot of customers using our frames in digital signage. I hope you will still consider being one of them. We are a small company and think you find us easy to work with and most likely be able to make your modifications quickly for you. Regards, PhotoVu Sales PhotoVu Response Policies - We take each request very seriously and try to respond within one business day. Many times, you will get a response within hours. Thank you for your interest in PhotoVu! If you have any questions about this inquiry or would like to talk with a PhotoVu representative, please contact us using the following: Web: http://www.photovu.com Phone: +1.303.444.5566 Fax: +1.303.374.2737
Re: Debian 4.0 Systemvoraussetzungen
Again, this is the wrong mailing list for such questions. I will answer it in a private Mail for you personally. Hauke On Tue, Sep 04, 2007 at 03:13:10PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > thx for the translated message. Can you answer to my questions, please? > > I would like to install Debian 4.0 which is included on the linux-magazin > dvd. I'm not very familiar with linux. my question is: is it possible to > install this on a pentium I with 166MHz cpu? If not. which linux system > could be used for this computer? > > Nice greets signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Debian 4.0 Systemvoraussetzungen
Hello, thx for the translated message. Can you answer to my questions, please? I would like to install Debian 4.0 which is included on the linux-magazin dvd. I'm not very familiar with linux. my question is: is it possible to install this on a pentium I with 166MHz cpu? If not. which linux system could be used for this computer? Nice greets Original-Nachricht > Datum: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:22:22 +0200 > Von: Patrick Winnertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: debian-project@lists.debian.org > CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: Re: Debian 4.0 Systemvoraussetzungen > Am Montag, 3. September 2007 15:46:40 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Guten Tag, > > das Betreibssystem Debian 4.0, welches auf der Heft-CD vom > > "LINUX-Magazin" 07/07 ist, würde ich gerne installieren. Ich kenne mich > > nicht besonders aus mit LINUX. Meine Frage ist, kann ich Debian 4.0 auf > > einem Pentium I mit 166 Mhz? Wenn nein, welche der LINUX Systeme würde > > sich eignen? Über eine Antwort würde ich mich sehr freuen! Danke! MfG > Hello, > This is an english mailinglist, so please write the next time in > english.. :) > > Now here the translated message: > """ > I would like to install Debian 4.0 which is included on the linux-magazin > dvd. I'm not very familiar with linux. my question is: is it possible to > install this on a pentium I with 166MHz cpu? If not. which linux system > could be used for this computer? > """ > > Greetings > Winnie > -- > .''`. Patrick Winnertz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > : :' : GNU/Linux Debian-Edu Developer > `. `'` http://www.der-winnie.de http://d.skolelinux.org/~winnie > `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
