Re: CDD?

[Otavio Salvador]

Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
>> I wholeheartedly agree with Otavio.
>
> I do as well.
>
>> As I see it, Debian-edu (Skolelinux) has an intend of _becoming_ a CDD -
>> while their products released so far are _derived_ from Debian.
>>
>> I do not share this view with all current members of Debian-edu.
>
> On the other hand the name "CDD" should not be kind of a medal to wear
> but a goal to reach.  If a project has understand that it will profit
> from working on integrating their stuff right into Debian to become a
> CDD all parties have won.  Finally we want something to work with and
> not only a name tag and becoming a CDD might be a asymptotic process.

Right. It's a goal for most of them. Debian-BR-CDD is going to start
to upload their package in next weeks and we've done a nice bunch of
clean up to allow it to be more acceptable for Debian. We'll probably
don't meet this goal for lenny (to be a real CDD) release but we hope
to do so for lenny+1.

We're able to not change d-i anymore now. This is one of major steps
required. Next is to make GDM more customizable so we can avoid 'sed
hacks' on it ;-)

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Re: CDD?

[Andreas Tille]

On Sat, 13 Oct 2007, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:


I wholeheartedly agree with Otavio.


I do as well.


As I see it, Debian-edu (Skolelinux) has an intend of _becoming_ a CDD -
while their products released so far are _derived_ from Debian.

I do not share this view with all current members of Debian-edu.


On the other hand the name "CDD" should not be kind of a medal to wear
but a goal to reach.  If a project has understand that it will profit
from working on integrating their stuff right into Debian to become a
CDD all parties have won.  Finally we want something to work with and
not only a name tag and becoming a CDD might be a asymptotic process.

Kind regards

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Re: CDD?

[Jonas Smedegaard]

Otavio Salvador skrev:
> Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> The reality is, while Debian Edu is a CDD not all parts of it are part of 
>> Debian etch. 

> My concept of CDD requires only Debian archive packages. So every
> distro that modifies packages (even a single one) isn't a CDD since it
> isn't really a subset of Debian.

I wholeheartedly agree with Otavio.

As I see it, Debian-edu (Skolelinux) has an intend of _becoming_ a CDD -
 while their products released so far are _derived_ from Debian.

I do not share this view with all current members of Debian-edu.


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Re: CDD?

[Otavio Salvador]

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Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Saturday 13 October 2007 09:26, Frans Pop wrote:
>> AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified
>> packages, [...]
>> They also have some minor customizations of the installation system (mainly
>> some defaults) and custom tasks for tasksel.
>
> I'd say they are a CDD. http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian doesnt say that 
> CDD cant be customized and that page also lists many other CDDs which include 
> modified or added packages.
>
> On a second read, that page says 
>
> "Custom Debian Distribution (CDD): a subset of Debian that is configured to 
> support a particular target group out-of-the-box." 
>
> and 
>
> "CDDs released with Etch: If you will get Etch the following CDDs are 
> contained: [...] Skolelinux (built by the DebianEdu project): a CDD aimed at 
> schools." 
>
> The reality is, while Debian Edu is a CDD not all parts of it are part of 
> Debian etch. 

In my POV, the only ones that are _real_ CDDs for now are the
metapackages ones (med, bio, lex, ...) but I think Lenny will be much
better for it.

My concept of CDD requires only Debian archive packages. So every
distro that modifies packages (even a single one) isn't a CDD since it
isn't really a subset of Debian.

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Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

[Holger Levsen]

Hi,

On Saturday 13 October 2007 09:26, Frans Pop wrote:
> AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified
> packages, [...]
> They also have some minor customizations of the installation system (mainly
> some defaults) and custom tasks for tasksel.

I'd say they are a CDD. http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian doesnt say that 
CDD cant be customized and that page also lists many other CDDs which include 
modified or added packages.

On a second read, that page says 

"Custom Debian Distribution (CDD): a subset of Debian that is configured to 
support a particular target group out-of-the-box." 

and 

"CDDs released with Etch: If you will get Etch the following CDDs are 
contained: [...] Skolelinux (built by the DebianEdu project): a CDD aimed at 
schools." 

The reality is, while Debian Edu is a CDD not all parts of it are part of 
Debian etch. 


regards,
Holger


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Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

[Martin Schulze]

Frans Pop wrote:
> On Saturday 13 October 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> > Congratulations, but is this a CDD?
> 
> AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified 
> packages, mainly because (program) translations for Dzongkha are not (yet) 
> available in Debian Etch.
> They also have some minor customizations of the installation system (mainly 
> some defaults) and custom tasks for tasksel.

In the long term this is all going to be integrated into Debian?
That'd be cool!

Regards,

Joey

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Re: CDD? (was Re: Bhutan releases Dzongkha Debian Linux)

[Frans Pop]

On Saturday 13 October 2007, Philippe Cloutier wrote:
> Congratulations, but is this a CDD?

AFAIK they aim to be a CDD, but currently they have a number of modified 
packages, mainly because (program) translations for Dzongkha are not (yet) 
available in Debian Etch.
They also have some minor customizations of the installation system (mainly 
some defaults) and custom tasks for tasksel.


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