Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: Kęstutis Biliūnas wrote: Say the truth to each loser would be more honestly, I think. One such unfortunate, So you think you are a loser? I don't think so. What I know from your AM is that your progress towards becoming DD and knowing all the things a DD needs to know is a slow but steady one. Your AM is happy with that, so I can't see a problem here. I think he just put it in simplistic terms. I do not think he is a loser. I think he raises a very valid point. We need a way to _gently_ reject candidates that avoids all the negative connotations. Many of these people jump through hoops to contribute to our project. We should show appreciation that they want to make Debian better. But it is a fact of life that NOT everyone will fit in to the Debian project. Some people will produce more problems than accomplishments. It is a honor to work with my fellow developers. We all stand on the shoulders of giants. The NM process has some problems but we can solve them in a way that shows respect for everyone who shares our goal to make Debian better. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2009, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > >> Something is definitely wrong here, IMHO. > > Maybe it's your assumption or assertion that the only point of NEW is > checking the copyright file. It is my assumption that this is the part of NEW that is the most time consuming and causes delays, which is the context of this discussion. Am I wrong? If yes, please explain. Regards, Faidon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Kęstutis Biliūnas wrote: > And why you still leave those losers, who during the 2...3 years, failed > to become a DD? Rather, they only cause damage to Debian. All of them > should be removed from the MN queue. Only problem in that the need for > each of them to explain the reasons why he is rejected. And again, not > such a duty to say that the losers do not need to Debian. > > Say the truth to each loser would be more honestly, I think. > > One such unfortunate, So you think you are a loser? I don't think so. What I know from your AM is that your progress towards becoming DD and knowing all the things a DD needs to know is a slow but steady one. Your AM is happy with that, so I can't see a problem here. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprints: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernd Zeimetz rašė: > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > >> Also, after one or two years in NM, you might have some new things to >> say about you, and your interests in Debian might change, so an updated >> introduction would be interesting, indeed. > > The NM process should not take two years. If it does, there is something > clearly > going wrong there. Once I'm finished to clean up those candidates which are > assigned to their AM since years and went away, I'll start to keep an eye on > the > length of the process. And why you still leave those losers, who during the 2...3 years, failed to become a DD? Rather, they only cause damage to Debian. All of them should be removed from the MN queue. Only problem in that the need for each of them to explain the reasons why he is rejected. And again, not such a duty to say that the losers do not need to Debian. Say the truth to each loser would be more honestly, I think. One such unfortunate, - -- Kęstutis Biliūnas http://kebil.ghost.lt | GnuPG-Key ID: F6E7A452 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkpEtHYACgkQFXHEz/bnpFKXJwCfa2fXtpeB6rynwkvN5Udh7DYn QZYAoJhArGzTEsY0Umpl2J1jaPeOy1Py =y3V5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Mark Brown (25/06/2009): > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 03:46:50PM +0100, Matthew Johnson wrote: > > I didn't think that using the templates was required for AMs, merely > > a useful tool. I think AMs should be able to check to their > > satisfaction in other ways as appropriate, as long as it produces a > > similar result > > In theory. In practice that wasn't the impression that was given; the > impression that was given was that they really really should be used. > Even if I had carried on it was uncomfortable knowing that there > presence or absence of the templates varied. Indeed. Frontdesk says (through the welcome-new-AM mail): | Please note that philosophy and procedures questions are very | important. If you don't ask enough of them, the DAM cannot make a | proper decision which will cause great delay for the applicant. Also, | good proof should be included in the final report that the applicant | has the technical and social skills to become a Debian developer and | be part of a team of 1000. Please also include mails you exchange | with your applicant about their packages. | | Joerg Jaspert has written very good P&P (Philosophy/Procedures) and | T&S (Tasks/Skills) templates. While it's not strictly a requirement, | it's recommended that you use them or base yours on them. You can get | them from [4]. | | [4] | svn://svn.debian.org/svn/nm/trunk/nm-templates Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: > Ahh... the old dear bureaucracy! > "It is not my task, so go away and never come back" ;-) > > Is it so difficult that a cronjob will call two scripts and merge the > results > in a single mail? yes. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprints: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: DAM and NEW queues processing
Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Also, after one or two years in NM, you might have some new things to > say about you, and your interests in Debian might change, so an updated > introduction would be interesting, indeed. The NM process should not take two years. If it does, there is something clearly going wrong there. Once I'm finished to clean up those candidates which are assigned to their AM since years and went away, I'll start to keep an eye on the length of the process. -- Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer GPG Fingerprints: 06C8 C9A2 EAAD E37E 5B2C BE93 067A AD04 C93B FF79 ECA1 E3F2 8E11 2432 D485 DD95 EB36 171A 6FF9 435F -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
